From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 5:59 AM To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #178 krnet-l-digest Tuesday, November 10 1998 Volume 02 : Number 178 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 14:55:48 -0500 From: smithr Subject: KR: gluing foam for layup Hi KR gang! I'm still here, just haven't had much to say lately! I know this has been discussed, but I don't recall what the best solution was. I am ready to glue (urethane) foam blocks to my hstab/elevator spars. I am reluctant to use epoxy/microballoons because the epoxy will ooze out over the spars and harden and this will make sanding to contour difficult. The glue area here is kind of small (2" or less spars) so I can't just put a bead of glue down the center. (I have liquid 2-part urethane that I bought to use as glue but It doesn't seem like a good idea to use it here) Does anyone have a great solution to this problem?? Whats the best glue here? Bob Smith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 14:07:58 CST From: "Rex Ellington" Subject: KR: Canopy for 42" wide fus. G'Day Netters I am setting my cockpit mockup, upright in the attic now. The wood is crummy, but the dimensions are correct. Have been playing with 42" width at the shoulders. Remember some discussion that Dragonfly and a commercial canopy are about the only ones that will fit a fuselage that wide. What was the commercial canopy?? Yankee?? I seem to remember a comment to the effect that the Yankee? canopy was thicker than the D'Fly. Correct/Wrong? May want to set the canopy on mockup to play with hinges, etc. before setting up work table and starting to glue spruce. Don't let me take any stupid pills here. Rex Ellington Rex T. Ellington ellingto@gslan.offsys.ou.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 14:25:36 -0800 From: Mike Mims Subject: Re: KR: Epoxy For Fuel Tanks N4DD wrote: > Mike > I just took a look at your web page. What main gear are you using. Looks real good! > Jean Thanks, I borrowed them from some guy named Piper, he installed them on a couple a thousand of his airplanes. :o) They are off a Piper Cherokee 140, and hey I still have the steerable nose gear if I need it! - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 14:46:54 -0800 From: Mike Mims Subject: Re: KR: gluing foam for layup smithr wrote: > Does anyone have a great solution to this problem?? Whats the best glue here? > > Bob Smith A hot glue gun works pretty good. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 18:22:18 EST From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: "Essential" Crew Memebers (was First Flight) In a message dated 11/9/98 11:38:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, mikemims@pacbell.net writes: << I think if I were gonna break the law I would forget trying to break it a little (calling someone an essential crew member) and just do what I felt was the right thing at the time. :o) >> As the "old timers" have heard me say before, I've test flown airplanes before and did two this summer for people on the first, and subsequent flights. On both airplanes the same designee signed the A/C. On both occasions I asked about the essential crewman paragraph. He told me you don't officially designate someone as being essential. As owner, if you feel it is necessary for the safe operation of the airplane, you can bring along an essential crew member and there is nothing illegal about it. Now the only thing that comes into play here is how long can you do that? This is the gray area according to the designee. What you can't do, for example, is bring someone along in you taildragger KR as essential if he does not have a tail wheel endorsement. If you are the essential crewman, you are not giving flight instruction. With all that said, the first flights needs to be solo for several reasons, i.e., CG, climbout power (loading up or leaning out) and simply less distractions. You will have enough stuff to pay attention to without someone else sitting next to you babbling away. I know that we have several new KRnet members and for you guys, check out Rick Junkin's flight test on his web page. It covers all the bases. By the way, I'll make arrangements to get more KR time before I first flight mine. Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 17:59:05 -0600 From: "T.Flemming" Subject: KR: New Website This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE0C0A.A43FBF40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi KR Enthusiasts, I am building a KR-2S and have put up a website showing my project and = mistakes. Hope you all find it helpful. I know that I frequently refer = to the other KR-2S websites and find them to be extremely helpful. The online support was a difinite consideration before beginning this = project. I know that it might sound crazy, but when the nearest builder = is a couple of hours away and the EAA Chapter is one hour away. It = helps to be able to get some help online, wether it be pictures or email = support. I figure having to drive an hour to talk with someone or show = them my plans to get help might be discouraging and therefore slow my = already tortoise pace. Anyway, any constructive criticism is welcome, = wether is to do with the website or my contruction of the KR-2S. = Currently, I am planning on a Tri Gear and dual controls. Otherwise, it = will probably remain stock. My site www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hall/9098 Regards, Trent Flemming - ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE0C0A.A43FBF40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi KR Enthusiasts,
 
I am building a KR-2S and have put up a website = showing my=20 project and mistakes.  Hope you all find it helpful.  I know = that I=20 frequently refer to the other KR-2S websites and find them to be = extremely=20 helpful.
The online support was a difinite consideration = before=20 beginning this project.  I know that it might sound crazy, but when = the=20 nearest builder is a couple of hours away and the EAA Chapter is one = hour=20 away.  It helps to be able to get some help online, wether it be = pictures=20 or email support.  I figure having to drive an hour to talk with = someone or=20 show them my plans to get help might be discouraging and therefore slow = my=20 already tortoise pace.  Anyway, any constructive criticism is = welcome,=20 wether is to do with the website or my contruction of the KR-2S. =20 Currently, I am planning on a Tri Gear and dual controls.  = Otherwise, it=20 will probably remain stock.
My site www.geocities.c= om/CapeCanaveral/Hall/9098
 
Regards,
 
Trent Flemming
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE0C0A.A43FBF40-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 18:21:48 -0600 From: Dean Collette Subject: KR: Kitplanes Lionheart article (off subject) Netters, Just a quick congratulations to our own Mark Langford. It seems he received an "honorable mention" in the latest Kitplanes cover story. Clip "the more interesting story is in it's development. Lionheart was developed using a 3-D CAD package. French generated a 2-D side view and a plan view, then worked with Mark Langford to get the design into the computer . . . " Dean Mailto:drdean@execpc.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 18:16:21 -0600 From: Dean Collette Subject: KR: RE: gluing foam for layup Bob, The trick when gluing foam blocks together is to avoid getting the glue to ooze out the sides where you will have to sand. The hardened glue will form a "ridge" when sanding and it's difficult, to say the least, to work with. I tried several different adhesives including micro. The micro is by far the worst. The best results I had, was when I used a urethane based glue (such as Probond or Gorilla glue) sparingly. The same thing goes with the hot glue gun - use it sparingly, and don't let it ooze out the sides where you intend to sand. Dean - -----Original Message----- From: smithr [SMTP:smithr@wadsworth.org] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 1997 1:56 PM To: krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: KR: gluing foam for layup Hi KR gang! I'm still here, just haven't had much to say lately! I know this has been discussed, but I don't recall what the best solution was. I am ready to glue (urethane) foam blocks to my hstab/elevator spars. I am reluctant to use epoxy/microballoons because the epoxy will ooze out over the spars and harden and this will make sanding to contour difficult. The glue area here is kind of small (2" or less spars) so I can't just put a bead of glue down the center. (I have liquid 2-part urethane that I bought to use as glue but It doesn't seem like a good idea to use it here) Does anyone have a great solution to this problem?? Whats the best glue here? Bob Smith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 18:44:20 -0800 From: "Ronald R. Eason Sr." Subject: Re: KR: gluing foam for layup This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BE0C10.F6762320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, the very best way to glue urethane foam is to use urethane glue. It can be found at your local lumber supply outlet. The glue is used to glue wood to laminates in cabinet shops. The glue expands as it cures filling mismatched surfaces. It sands just like the foam. It is stronger than the foam. Ron Eason - -----Original Message----- From: Mike Mims To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Monday, November 09, 1998 2:46 PM Subject: Re: KR: gluing foam for layup >smithr wrote: > >> Does anyone have a great solution to this problem?? Whats the best glue here? >> >> Bob Smith > >A hot glue gun works pretty good. > > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >Irvine Ca >Fax 949.856.9417 >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > - ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BE0C10.F6762320 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; name="Ronald R. Eason Sr..vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Ronald R. Eason Sr..vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Eason Sr.;Ronald;R. FN:Ronald R. Eason Sr. ORG:J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd.;Engineering TITLE:C.E.O., President NOTE:Appartment Veranda House, 100 W. Lincoln ST., Tullahoma. TN. = 37388, House phone 931-455-7033, Fax 931-455-9335, Aptmt.#308, phone = 931-393-3165. TEL;WORK;VOICE:816-468-4091 TEL;HOME;VOICE:816-468-4425 TEL;PAGER;VOICE:816-989-9692 TEL;WORK;FAX:816-468-5465 TEL;HOME;FAX:816-468-5465 ADR;WORK:;jrlkc@mindspring.com;7333 North = Brooklyn;Gladstone,;MO.;64118-2329;U.S.A. LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:jrlkc@mindspring.com=3D0D=3D0A7333= North Brooklyn=3D0D=3D0AGladstone,, MO. 64118-232=3D 9=3D0D=3D0AU.S.A. ADR;HOME:;;7333 N. Brooklyn;Gladstone,;MO.;64118-2329;U.S.A. LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:7333 N. = Brooklyn=3D0D=3D0AGladstone,, MO. 64118-2329=3D0D=3D0AU.S.A. URL: URL:http://jrl-engineering.com EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:ron@jrl-engineering.com EMAIL;INTERNET:jrlkc@mindspring.com EMAIL;INTERNET:reason1@ficom.net REV:19981110T024420Z END:VCARD - ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BE0C10.F6762320-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 18:49:41 -0800 From: "Ronald R. Eason Sr." Subject: KR: Re: gluing foam for layup This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01BE0C11.B5FBADA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Use urethane wood glue. Its a 1-part not a 2-part foam material. It can be found at the lumber supply or cabinet materials supply outlet. Ron Eason - -----Original Message----- From: smithr To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Monday, November 09, 1998 12:21 PM Subject: KR: gluing foam for layup >Hi KR gang! I'm still here, just haven't had much to say lately! > >I know this has been discussed, but I don't recall what the best >solution was. > >I am ready to glue (urethane) foam blocks to my hstab/elevator spars. I >am reluctant to use epoxy/microballoons because the epoxy will ooze out >over the spars and harden and this will make sanding to contour >difficult. The glue area here is kind of small (2" or less spars) so I >can't just put a bead of glue down the center. > >(I have liquid 2-part urethane that I bought to use as glue but It >doesn't seem like a good idea to use it here) > >Does anyone have a great solution to this problem?? Whats the best glue >here? > >Bob Smith > > > - ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01BE0C11.B5FBADA0 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; name="Ronald R. Eason Sr..vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Ronald R. Eason Sr..vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Eason Sr.;Ronald;R. FN:Ronald R. Eason Sr. ORG:J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd.;Engineering TITLE:C.E.O., President NOTE:Appartment Veranda House, 100 W. Lincoln ST., Tullahoma. TN. = 37388, House phone 931-455-7033, Fax 931-455-9335, Aptmt.#308, phone = 931-393-3165. TEL;WORK;VOICE:816-468-4091 TEL;HOME;VOICE:816-468-4425 TEL;PAGER;VOICE:816-989-9692 TEL;WORK;FAX:816-468-5465 TEL;HOME;FAX:816-468-5465 ADR;WORK:;jrlkc@mindspring.com;7333 North = Brooklyn;Gladstone,;MO.;64118-2329;U.S.A. LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:jrlkc@mindspring.com=3D0D=3D0A7333= North Brooklyn=3D0D=3D0AGladstone,, MO. 64118-232=3D 9=3D0D=3D0AU.S.A. ADR;HOME:;;7333 N. Brooklyn;Gladstone,;MO.;64118-2329;U.S.A. LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:7333 N. = Brooklyn=3D0D=3D0AGladstone,, MO. 64118-2329=3D0D=3D0AU.S.A. URL: URL:http://jrl-engineering.com EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:ron@jrl-engineering.com EMAIL;INTERNET:jrlkc@mindspring.com EMAIL;INTERNET:reason1@ficom.net REV:19981110T024941Z END:VCARD - ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01BE0C11.B5FBADA0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 18:39:38 -0800 From: Mike Mims Subject: KR: Cowling update Just wanted to pass along that the method that Tony Bingelis uses for building a cowl works pretty good! Today was the first time at sanding the spackle and it sands really nice. After some light sanding I applied another layer (coat) of spackle and it should be ready for paint after sanding. Believe it or not this cowling project is kinda fun. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 18:52:50 -0800 From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: Cowling update > Believe it or not this cowling project is kinda fun. >-- >Micheal Mims Glad to hear it. Feel free to make mine. :) (Line to the left, please) Robert Don't Call Me A Cowl-ward ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 18:56:45 -0800 From: Robert Covington Subject: KR: Sides Someone approached me at the gathering, and mentioned that they had pre-curved their sides before gluing the plywood on, and before boating. Seems to me that would a decent way to go perhaps. How much more distance does a flat glued piece of plywood/side have to cover via "stretch" or tension when it it curved into the boat shape afterwards than it would if it was just laid on a pre-bent or pre-boated side? Robert Covington ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 21:58:37 -0600 From: rmccall Subject: Re: KR: KR2S controls Juss: Sure, just send me your address. They are hard copy and I don't have the capability to scan them in. Richard McCall 1518 Holly Lane Junction City, KS 66441 5253 wrote: > Hi! > > Could I get a set of the drawings too? > > Juss > from Estonia. > juss@teleport.ee > > At 13:17 08.11.98 -0600, you wrote: > >Allan, > > > >Give your address and I'll send you a drawing and a picutre of my dual > >control. > > > >Rich > > > >Allan Horne wrote: > > > >> Has anybody have a drawing and parts list for the dual control. > >> > >> Allan Horne > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 22:00:12 -0600 From: rmccall Subject: Re: KR: KR2S controls Sure John. What's your address to mail them to. Can't scan ... all I have is hard copies. Rich John F. Esch wrote: > could I get a set of the drawings too? > > John F. Esch > Salem, OR > > rmccall wrote: > > > Allan, > > > > Give your address and I'll send you a drawing and a picutre of my dual > > > > control. > > > > Rich > > > > Allan Horne wrote: > > > > > Has anybody have a drawing and parts list for the dual control. > > > > > > Allan Horne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 20:00:25 -0800 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: KR: they are here!! All thought I would pass on some good news. The twins arrived today!!!!!!!! Andrew 6 lbs 4 oz Maggie 5 lbs 9 oz babies are doing great and mommy is recoverying ok John F. Esch KR-2SSW Salem, OR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 22:05:37 -0600 From: rmccall Subject: Re: KR: Canopy for 42" wide fus. Mine is 44" in the shoulders. Same problem with the canopy. Rich "still workin'" McCall Junction City, KS Rex Ellington wrote: > G'Day Netters > > I am setting my cockpit mockup, upright in the > attic now. The wood is crummy, but the dimensions > are correct. > Have been playing with 42" width at the shoulders. > Remember some discussion that Dragonfly and a commercial > canopy are about the only ones that will fit a fuselage > that wide. > What was the commercial canopy?? Yankee?? I seem > to remember a comment to the effect that the Yankee? > canopy was thicker than the D'Fly. Correct/Wrong? > > May want to set the canopy on mockup to play with > hinges, etc. before setting up work table and starting to > glue spruce. > > Don't let me take any stupid pills here. > > Rex Ellington > Rex T. Ellington > ellingto@gslan.offsys.ou.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 23:12:49 -0500 From: Darren Brigman Subject: Re: KR: they are here!! CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!! (sounds like you are going to be busy!!) darren. John F. Esch wrote: > All > > thought I would pass on some good news. The twins arrived today!!!!!!!! > > Andrew 6 lbs 4 oz > Maggie 5 lbs 9 oz > > babies are doing great and mommy is recoverying ok > > John F. Esch > KR-2SSW > Salem, OR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 20:15:46 -0800 From: Mike Mims Subject: Re: KR: Canopy for 42" wide fus. rmccall wrote: > > Mine is 44" in the shoulders. Same problem with the canopy. > The Dragonfly canopy will fit your fuselage width. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 23:19:36 -0500 From: Darren Brigman Subject: Re: KR: KR2S controls Rich, I have a scanner, so if anyone needs a document put on the computer, send it to me and I'll do it. I have yet to have a use for this thing, and I'd like to think that I didn't throw my money away!! darren rmccall wrote: > Sure John. What's your address to mail them to. Can't scan ... all I have > is hard copies. > > Rich > > John F. Esch wrote: > > > could I get a set of the drawings too? > > > > John F. Esch > > Salem, OR > > > > rmccall wrote: > > > > > Allan, > > > > > > Give your address and I'll send you a drawing and a picutre of my dual > > > > > > control. > > > > > > Rich > > > > > > Allan Horne wrote: > > > > > > > Has anybody have a drawing and parts list for the dual control. > > > > > > > > Allan Horne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 23:30:07 EST From: Kr2jm@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: they are here!! Congratulation!!! Now you will need a four place KR. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 20:36:54 -0800 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: Re: KR: they are here!! Thanks, you mean a 5 place. I have a 4 year old too, John Kr2jm@aol.com wrote: > Congratulation!!! > Now you will need a four place KR. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 20:31:43 -0800 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: Re: KR: KR2S controls John F. Esch 533 Clarmar Dr NE Salem, OR 97301 rmccall wrote: > Sure John. What's your address to mail them to. Can't scan ... all I > have > is hard copies. > > Rich > > John F. Esch wrote: > > > could I get a set of the drawings too? > > > > John F. Esch > > Salem, OR > > > > rmccall wrote: > > > > > Allan, > > > > > > Give your address and I'll send you a drawing and a picutre of my > dual > > > > > > control. > > > > > > Rich > > > > > > Allan Horne wrote: > > > > > > > Has anybody have a drawing and parts list for the dual control. > > > > > > > > Allan Horne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 22:30:10 -0600 From: "Brian J. Bland" Subject: KR: Re: Sides >Someone approached me at the gathering, and mentioned that they had >pre-curved their sides before gluing the plywood on, and before boating. > >Seems to me that would a decent way to go perhaps. How much more distance >does a flat glued piece of plywood/side have to cover via "stretch" or >tension when it it curved into the boat shape afterwards than it would if >it was just laid on a pre-bent or pre-boated side? > >Robert Covington Robert, There won't be enough of a difference to even worry about. I think that skinning the boat after framing it up is the way to go. The sides get pretty stiff if you skin them first and then you have to attempt to bend them. In my opinion frame it up and then skin it!! Brian J Bland Claremore, OK Mail to: bbland@gateway.net http://www.flight2000.com/hangar/KR-2S/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 20:38:09 -0800 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: Re: KR: they are here!! Busy busy I need a baby monitor for the garage John Darren Brigman wrote: > CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!! (sounds like you are going to be busy!!) > darren. > > John F. Esch wrote: > > > All > > > > thought I would pass on some good news. The twins arrived > today!!!!!!!! > > > > Andrew 6 lbs 4 oz > > Maggie 5 lbs 9 oz > > > > babies are doing great and mommy is recoverying ok > > > > John F. Esch > > KR-2SSW > > Salem, OR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 20:45:58 -0800 From: Mike Mims Subject: Re: KR: KR2S controls If this is the same control system that is in the old newsletters I could dig it out and scan it. This is the same system the RR adapted by the way. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 20:58:20 -0800 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: Re: KR: Re: Sides That is what I am going to do. Frame it and skin it. I think, my opinion, it would be less stress by doing it this way John F Esch Salem, OR Brian J. Bland wrote: > >Someone approached me at the gathering, and mentioned that they had > >pre-curved their sides before gluing the plywood on, and before > boating. > > > >Seems to me that would a decent way to go perhaps. How much more > distance > >does a flat glued piece of plywood/side have to cover via "stretch" > or > >tension when it it curved into the boat shape afterwards than it > would if > >it was just laid on a pre-bent or pre-boated side? > > > >Robert Covington > > Robert, > > There won't be enough of a difference to even worry about. I think > that > skinning the boat after framing it up is the way to go. The sides get > > pretty stiff if you skin them first and then you have to attempt to > bend > them. In my opinion frame it up and then skin it!! > > Brian J Bland > Claremore, OK > > Mail to: bbland@gateway.net > http://www.flight2000.com/hangar/KR-2S/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 21:46:36 -0800 From: Mike Mims Subject: KR: Old Newsletters I scanned and posted some stuff you guys may find interesting. Go to: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/vwcrank.jpg to see why it is important to deep drill the VW crank shaft. http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/dualcont.jpg to see a scan of the dual controls. http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/chart.jpg to see a chart Barnaby Wainfan did comparing incidences of tails and wings on the KR (Mark check this out if you havent already) http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/geardril.jpg to see a retractable tri gear and a handy wood (that I used) jig for drilling WAF fittings to the spars. http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/kr3.jpg a picture of the last KR3 flight. http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/electrm.jpg electric trim setup using a RC airplane servo. http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/spdbrk1.jpg speed brake idea number one. http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/spdbrk2.jpg speed brake idea number two. Enjoy! - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 21:58:08 -0800 From: Peter Hudson Subject: Re: KR: Cowling update Mike, I recently did my fuel tank that way as well. Basically a lot of scrap white styrofoam a few fillets and then a polyurethane varnish loaded with microballoons. It sanded beautifully. a couple of coats of car wax and a rubbing with aerotech safelease #30 was next. after laying up the tank I mostly just ripped the foam out. (I melted it in a few spots with acetone to help that process a little) the foam, polyurethane skin and all came out in nice big chunks. The point is really that the micro balloon filled varnish works nicely. oH yeah the last two coats were straight varnish. I've heard latex paint and micro works well too. maybe I'll try that on the next part. - -Peter- Mike Mims wrote: > > Just wanted to pass along that the method that Tony Bingelis uses for > building a cowl works pretty good! Today was the first time at sanding > the spackle and it sands really nice. After some light sanding I > applied another layer (coat) of spackl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 22:06:38 -0800 From: Peter Hudson Subject: Re: KR: Re: Ronald R. Eason Sr. wrote: > > Steve, > I am using S2 Glass which has twice the strength of E Glass. Careful Steve! Most of the specs I've seen for S-glass were only about 25% better than E-glass. I think it depends on which manufacturer is telling you the numbers. For what it's worth I used 4 oz S-glass on my skins. It wasn't as strong (on paper) as the 6 oz E-glass but it was quite a bit stronger (and stiffer) than the original dynel fabric so I felt fine about it. As a side note my outer wing panels came in at 40 lbs each (about average) but that includes strobe power supplies (2-3 lbs) nav lights and wiring, and a nice few coats of primer and paint. - -Peter- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 22:18:07 -0800 From: Mike Mims Subject: Re: KR: Old Newsletters Mike Mims wrote: > > I scanned and posted some stuff you guys may find interesting.>>>> If you guys lose this post remember you can always go to the IDEAS page from my HOME page to see these ideas and much, much more. Remember there is that GREAT article on how to land your KR that was written by Jim Faughn N8931JF. Its very good reading! The URL for the ideas page is: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ideas.html - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 23:33:41 -0800 From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: Re: Sides >That is what I am going to do. Frame it and skin it. I think, my >opinion, it would be less stress by doing it this way > > >John F Esch >Salem, OR >Brian J. Bland wrote: >> skinning the boat after framing it up is the way to go. The sides get >> >> pretty stiff if you skin them first and then you have to attempt to >> bend >> them. In my opinion frame it up and then skin it!! >> >> Brian J Bland Sounds cool,one thing I worry about is that the stapling pressure will distort the boat out of square somehow or break something. That a problem for anyone who used this method? Robert Covington ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:16:24 -0800 From: "Alessandro Pecorara" Subject: Re: KR: Sides Robert Covington wrote: > Someone approached me at the gathering, and mentioned that they had > pre-curved their sides before gluing the plywood on, and before boating. > > Seems to me that would a decent way to go perhaps. How much more distance > does a flat glued piece of plywood/side have to cover via "stretch" or > tension when it it curved into the boat shape afterwards than it would if > it was just laid on a pre-bent or pre-boated side? > > Robert Covington I'm a first (and maybe last)-time builder in Italy. assembled my boat long before meeting the "net", i used good old Aerolite glue, so needed more pressure than epoxy and, following the manual, glued plywood to flat fuselage sides, using clamps, staples and heavy metal rods to keep everyithing in contact. FWIW: I don't know if glueing the complete frame, and then the ply is a better metod than the one described in the manual. BTW it says (as an help to sides assembly) "Improvise restraint as required" :o( This took a month of tests and frustration. Then I cut three formers from particle wood (one corresponding to the front bulkhead, another where the fuse is widest and the third where the straight sides begin. installed the formers to the working table, with some more guide bloks along the the topside contour lines. I clamped (lightly) both sides to the first former, then with a lot of care (and strong heartbeat) I started bending the sides, clamping them to the middle and aft formers (yes, the sides got that banana shape) and then clamped the rearmost to a piece of wood shaped as the aft fin spar. No cracks,no pieces going away: just an afternoon work, and the thing was ready for bottor cross members fitting; this was much more difficult. I believe this small story has very little interest: this morning i just whished to refresh my English ;-) but fear that I didn't succeed in writing a readable piece. Regards, alessandro (building an absolutely unmodified KR-2S) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 07:41:24 -0500 From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Subject: Re: KR: Canopy for 42" wide fus. At 08:15 PM 11/9/98 -0800, you wrote: >rmccall wrote: >> >> Mine is 44" in the shoulders. Same problem with the canopy. >> > > >The Dragonfly canopy will fit your fuselage width. I really like the looks of the D-fly canopy, How much do they cost?? WD Wayne DeLisle Sr. Email:support@sestar.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 07:45:54 -0500 From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Subject: Re: KR: KR2S controls I also have a new scanner, just installed it this weekend. I would be happy to scan anything for anyone. Just mail it to: Wayne DeLisle Sr. 7139 Cedarbrook Dr. Charlotte, NC 28215 I can be reached via Phone: 704-545-7401 E-mail: support@sestar.net At 11:19 PM 11/9/98 -0500, you wrote: >Rich, I have a scanner, so if anyone needs a document put on the computer, send >it to me and I'll do it. I have yet to have a use for this thing, and I'd like >to think that I didn't throw my money away!! >darren > >rmccall wrote: > >> Sure John. What's your address to mail them to. Can't scan ... all I have >> is hard copies. >> >> Rich >> >> John F. Esch wrote: >> >> > could I get a set of the drawings too? >> > >> > John F. Esch >> > Salem, OR >> > >> > rmccall wrote: >> > >> > > Allan, >> > > >> > > Give your address and I'll send you a drawing and a picutre of my dual >> > > >> > > control. >> > > >> > > Rich >> > > >> > > Allan Horne wrote: >> > > >> > > > Has anybody have a drawing and parts list for the dual control. >> > > > >> > > > Allan Horne > Wayne DeLisle Sr. Email:support@sestar.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 07:52:10 -0500 From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Subject: KR: Re: News Letters BTW netheads, I have all of the old news letters from issue # 1 through DEC. 1984, I think. If anyone is looking for a particular article, I will be happy to look it up. I am going to try to get permission to scan them in and post them on my website. It will give me something to do while recovering from my upcoming neck surgery. WD Wayne DeLisle Sr. Email:support@sestar.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 08:03:09 EST From: Krwr1@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Old Newsletters In a message dated 11/10/98 12:53:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, mikemims@pacbell.net writes: > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/kr3.jpg a picture of > the last KR3 flight. ,Hi Micheal Bill Reents Here I would like to use the picture of the KR-3 on my web page,Is it OK with you ? Thanks WildBill( not so wild anymore) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 05:20:48 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Okoume plywood Hey, Joa (and other plywood-heads)- I was wondering about your pricing on the okoume plywood, so I looked in Aircraft Spruce (Wicks doesn't list it). For a full 4x8 sheet of 1/8" ply: 45 deg. mahogany, $197.00 45 deg. birch, 158.00 royal marine, 126.85 90 deg. mahogany, 121.00 90 deg. birch, 82.00 finnish birch, 73.80 (OK; it's a 60x60 or 48x48 sheet) basswood, 72.60 okoume, 64.00 So, what gives? If it's as good and as strong as it's supposed to be, it is definitely not the most expensive unless I'm reading something wrong. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 08:42:06 -0500 From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Subject: Re: KR: Old Newsletters At 09:46 PM 11/9/98 -0800, you wrote: >I scanned and posted some stuff you guys may find interesting. Go to: Hi Mike, Looks like you have already did what I intended to do. How far do your news letters go? WD Wayne DeLisle Sr. Email:support@sestar.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 08:52:08 -0500 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: Canopy for 42" wide fus. > I really like the looks of the D-fly canopy, How much do they cost?? > They are in the $400+ ballpark. Don't forget truck freight shipping. I tried to make my own D'fly style canopy with a mold, large oven, etc. and it was a disaster. The best thing that I can say is that I didn't burn down the shop. It is cheaper to buy your canopy, whatever the style. - -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 05:58:30 PST From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: gluing foam for layup I used micro and the same west sytems epoxy that I've used for everything else. the micro that got on my spar caps sands off real easy. it doesnt penetrate deep into the wood so it didnt pose any real problem. After the first layup, any extra that oozed up went on as filler. Rich Parker Jaffrey, NH >Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 14:55:48 -0500 >From: smithr >To: krnet-l@teleport.com >Subject: KR: gluing foam for layup >Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com > >Hi KR gang! I'm still here, just haven't had much to say lately! > >I know this has been discussed, but I don't recall what the best >solution was. > >I am ready to glue (urethane) foam blocks to my hstab/elevator spars. I >am reluctant to use epoxy/microballoons because the epoxy will ooze out >over the spars and harden and this will make sanding to contour >difficult. The glue area here is kind of small (2" or less spars) so I >can't just put a bead of glue down the center. > >(I have liquid 2-part urethane that I bought to use as glue but It >doesn't seem like a good idea to use it here) > >Does anyone have a great solution to this problem?? Whats the best glue >here? > >Bob Smith > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #178 *****************************