From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com] Sent: Thursday, November 12, 1998 5:59 PM To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #181 krnet-l-digest Thursday, November 12 1998 Volume 02 : Number 181 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 18:57:09 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Subject: Re: KR: KR2S controls Can I also get a copy of the info on dual controls.. My address is Steve Dailey PO Box 41 Timnath, CO 80547 - ---"John F. Esch" wrote: > > Awesome, Thanks > > John > > rmccall wrote: > > > John: > > > > I'm putting it in the mail to you. > > > > Rich McCall > > > > John F. Esch wrote: > > > > > John F. Esch > > > 533 Clarmar Dr NE > > > Salem, OR 97301 > > > > > > rmccall wrote: > > > > > > > Sure John. What's your address to mail them to. Can't scan ... > > all I > > > > have > > > > is hard copies. > > > > > > > > Rich > > > > > > > > John F. Esch wrote: > > > > > > > > > could I get a set of the drawings too? > > > > > > > > > > John F. Esch > > > > > Salem, OR > > > > > > > > > > rmccall wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Allan, > > > > > > > > > > > > Give your address and I'll send you a drawing and a picutre of > > my > > > > dual > > > > > > > > > > > > control. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rich > > > > > > > > > > > > Allan Horne wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anybody have a drawing and parts list for the dual > > control. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Allan Horne > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 22:53:27 -0500 (EST) From: jeroffey@tir.com (jeroffey) Subject: KR: PIOs and Sides Bobby, thanks for the encouragement. Its still my dream and I forge on. As a matter of fact, I just finnished bending my sides into the "boat shape" last month. I scarfed the ply and glued it together before it went on the side trusses. Put the T88 on the pencil outline on the ply and on the trusses and layed the trusses on the ply. Used everthing I could find in the shop to weigh down the sides and left them for two days. After everthing was dry, I checked for any voids and found none. A laminate trim router did a very nice job of trimming the ply flush with the truss frame. I walked around the two compleded sides for about a week trying to decide how to hold them on the table while I bent them. What I did first was take a piece of 1/4" luan and made a template of the firewall from the top longeron to the bottom longeron and mounted it to the table upsidedown, centered and square with the centerline. Next I erected adummy bulkhead at station H and remembered the suggestion to make the max width at the shoulder that appeared here on the net some time ago. The dimension at the top outside is 40" and 34 1/4" at the bottom. With the front end clamped to the dummy firewall and pinched to the widened tail post, I flinched waiting for the thing to explode. To say the least it actually bent quite easily and didn't take alot of clamps to hold it together. What did take some time was shaping the upper and lower longerons to make a nice tight fit to the tail post. I had the thing a part about a half dozen times before I accepted the fit. All glued together now and all bottom crossmembers are in and as we speak, I am fitting the gussets. I will have a "boat" by Thanksgiving. As much as I have seen on building the skeleton and then skinnig it, I dont think it makes a lot of difference how you do it as far as stress goes but it was easier for me to work alone the way I did it. John Roffey jeroffey@tir.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 20:26:26 -0800 From: Mike Mims Subject: Re: KR: Re:front deck height Mike Mims wrote: > I think my instrument panel is 9 or 10 inches above the top longerons.<< Because that post might have been confusing I posted a picture at: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/could.jpg to show what I mean by the panel could be taller than the template that you may use for shaping the deck. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 23:53:22 -0500 From: "WARRON GRAY" Subject: Re: KR: Re: Sides Gee, I guess i'm not the only one who used his brains on skining the sides. Warron in Flat lawdy dale - -----Original Message----- From: Austin Clark To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 9:22 PM Subject: Re: KR: Re: Sides >At 23:33 11/9/98 -0800, you wrote: > >>Sounds cool,one thing I worry about is that the stapling pressure will >>distort the boat out of square somehow or break something. >> >>That a problem for anyone who used this method? >> >>Robert Covington >> >I skinned mine after it was framed and had no problem with distortion. I >used an electric stapler and had a couple of helpers for the sides, but did >the bottom by myself. I also cut and scarfed the skin before I installed >it, making sure the scarf joint fell on a spruce upright or cross piece. > >Austin Clark >Pascagoula, MS > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 20:58:30 -0800 From: "Dennis Witherspoon" Subject: KR: Re: CD-ROM update oscar, put my name down for one of your cd-rom to , thanks dennis w. in shedd or. - -----Original Message----- From: Oscar Zuniga To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 6:02 AM Subject: KR: CD-ROM update >OK, OK- thanks for the gentle reminder. Progress on the KRNet Archive >and Traveling Resource Library has been slow. I have everything, really >I do, but I am short of time. But hey- I got the shirts rolling, didn't >I? Only a year late! On the CDs- I have the complete list of all who >expressed interest; I have the blank CDs and mailers, have the archived >and scanned Newsletters KRNet archives; and other valuable information. >In other words, the beans are in the pot and ready to cook- I just need >to light the fire. > >I promise to dig into Adobe Acrobat and try to get the CD done as soon >as I can. Thanks for the patience, guys. > >Oscar Zuniga >Medford, Oregon > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 21:12:54 -0800 From: Mike Mims Subject: KR: Props is props? NOT! Net heads, This just in from a hangermate who has a Dragonfly with a 1835 HAPI engine. Allan finally removed that piece of crap in-flight controllable IVO prop and installed a Props Inc. 52 X 42 wood unit. His rate of climb is about the same as the IVO but the cruise speed has increased over 20 MPH! So a prop is a prop, I think not! :o) More on the IVO prop, I have never cared that much for the thin blade IVO design and after taking this one apart I CAN NOT BELIEVE this thing is sold to people who plan to use it on aircraft! Let me stress again,.. I just could not believe my eyes when I saw what is used to bend these prop blades. The little levers on the ends of the blades are nothing short of a JOKE. This prop had less than 50 hours on it an already one of the levers was broken and the other was on the verge of failure. One of the reasons the original owner of this airplane sold it was because he was cycling the prop one day and the darn thing started shaking so bad he couldn't see the instruments. He quickly ran it to flat pitch and never flew it again. Kinda weird actually! I think I would have tried to fix the darn thing instead of giving up on it. Well now we know why it vibrated eh? One blade was increasing in pitch and the other was staying flat. Allan always flew it in the flat position as it worked great as climb and slow cruise prop. Anyway he is slightly overjoyed that his Dragonfly will cruise at 145 mph @ 3100 rpm. I think he was getting tired of bringing up the rear. :o) Props Inc. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 21:14:18 -0800 From: Mike Mims Subject: Re: KR: Re: Sides Dude, you may want to check the time and date on your PC (see below) Subject: Re: KR: Re: Sides Date:Sun, 25 Oct 1998 23:53:22 -0500 From:"WARRON GRAY" Reply-To:krnet-l@teleport.com To: - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 07:25:02 -0500 From: "R.W. Moore" Subject: KR: Re: Re: News Letters Please send me the information on TURBO Charging by Dan Diehl. R. W. Moore - -----Original Message----- From: Wayne DeLisle Sr. To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 7:50 AM Subject: KR: Re: News Letters >BTW netheads, > >I have all of the old news letters from issue # 1 through DEC. 1984, I think. > >If anyone is looking for a particular article, I will be happy to look it up. > >I am going to try to get permission to scan them in and post them on my >website. It will give me something to do while recovering from my upcoming >neck surgery. > >WD >Wayne DeLisle Sr. >Email:support@sestar.net > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 07:49:49 -0500 From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Subject: Re: KR: Re: Re: News Letters At 07:25 AM 11/12/98 -0500, you wrote: >Please send me the information on TURBO Charging by Dan Diehl. >R. W. Moore Sure, you want hard copy, or will a scanned image do?? What engine are you working on?? I have a 2.0L Type-4 VW bus engine that I plan to turbocharge. WD Wayne DeLisle Sr. Email:support@sestar.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 05:24:52 PST From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: Instrument panel height Thanks I took a look at it. When I first put that instrument panel on I thought that the front deck would have an real steep angle but now I understand that the angle under the canopy doesnt necessarily have to be the same as the angle for the front deck. Have you decided on your canopy yet? I'm too cheap to shell out $425 for a dragonfly canopy but I really like the thought of it. Troy Petteways gull wing uses flat stock for the windsheild and then a cut kr2 canopy for the sides. I've been looking at my Archer windows and theres really not much that couldnt be done with flat stock all around. >Rich, > >I am using the same panel you are. Mine is 3-1/4 inches below the top >longeron at the bottom and the top is about 10-1/2 inches above it. I >modified my front deck profile to mate with the panel by molding a steeper >angle starting at about 10 inches ahead of the panel. I built my cowling >mold so that the angle is the same from the top edge of the spinner to that >point, then rises to conform to the shape and height of the panel. It >looks pretty cool except for the ugly color enamel I painted on the mold! >I have some pictures of it on my web page if you would like to take a look. > > >Austin Clark >Pascagoula, MS > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:58:58 -0500 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: Re:front deck height Richard Parker wrote: > I'm worried about the line from the cowling to the canopy. I dont want > the forward deck to be too steep or it wont flow smoothly off the > cowling. Without the cowling or the canopy I've got to ball park it. > > Down the centerline, how much higher than the firewall would you > estimate the back of the forward deck is if projected to the front of > the front spar? My suggestion is to get the canopy taken care of first. It would be fun to install a panel for the "simulated light" time, but I think it will be easier to fit things inside the canopy than to fit the canopy over the panel. BTW, the front of my canopy is only about 0.5 - 0.75" higher than the fire wall. It just looked right at that point. - -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:30:50 EST From: SLIMPIDLIN@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: KR2S controls Steve If you ever get to C.Springs,feel free to stop on by and check out my dual controls.They have cables hooked up and all,but arent covered by any uphostery or anything yet.They do look pretty sharp(polished alum.) if I may say so myself. Say is Bruces Bar still alive and well? Love there famous Rocky Mt.Oysters.Used to do some goose huntin over there. Garry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:42:55 EST From: SLIMPIDLIN@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Re: Re: News Letters I too would love to see that article on turbo charging by Dan Diehl. Any help on that subject will be greatly appreciated(my 2180 at this altitude screams TURBO. thanks Garry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 10:19:35 -0500 From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Subject: Re: KR: Re: Re: News Letters Ok, I'll scan it in this evening and file attach it to anyone who requests it. Hopefully, I'll get my web page going this weekend, and will put it up there when I do. WD At 09:42 AM 11/12/98 EST, you wrote: >I too would love to see that article on turbo charging by Dan Diehl. > Any help on that subject will be greatly appreciated(my 2180 at this altitude >screams TURBO. > thanks > Garry > Wayne DeLisle Sr. Email:support@sestar.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 07:49:13 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Re: Re: News Letters SLIMPIDLIN@aol.com wrote: > > I too would love to see that article on turbo charging by Dan Diehl. > Any help on that subject will be greatly appreciated(my 2180 at this altitude screams TURBO. > thanks > Garry Guys most of that article ca be seen at: http://pw2.netcom.com/~mimsmand/turbo.html I posted that stuff a LONG time ago when I was considering a turbo VW. Enjoy! - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:49:23 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Subject: Re: KR: KR2S controls Garry I'll have to stop in sometime and look at the dual control setup...Thank you for offering...Bruce's bar is still going strong...I really love there oysters myself..They are great Steve - ---SLIMPIDLIN@aol.com wrote: > > Steve > If you ever get to C.Springs,feel free to stop on by and check out my dual > controls.They have cables hooked up and all,but arent covered by any uphostery > or anything yet.They do look pretty sharp(polished alum.) if I may say so > myself. > Say is Bruces Bar still alive and well? Love there famous Rocky > Mt.Oysters.Used to do some goose huntin over there. > Garry > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:43:52 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Subject: Re: KR: Re: Re: News Letters I would like to have a copy of that article also please...Thank you Steve - ---"Wayne DeLisle Sr." wrote: > > Ok, I'll scan it in this evening and file attach it to anyone who requests it. > > Hopefully, I'll get my web page going this weekend, and will put it up there > when I do. > > WD > > > At 09:42 AM 11/12/98 EST, you wrote: > >I too would love to see that article on turbo charging by Dan Diehl. > > Any help on that subject will be greatly appreciated(my 2180 at this altitude > >screams TURBO. > > thanks > > Garry > > > Wayne DeLisle Sr. > Email:support@sestar.net > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:05:14 -0500 From: smithr Subject: Re: KR: Re: gluing foam for layup Could you give me the exact brand name and where I might be able to buy it? Thanks!! Ronald R. Eason Sr. wrote: > No it's urethane resin that is activated by moisture in the air. The only > negative is it is not instant it take time to cure. It's used typically to > glue veneer to wood substrate. > > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: smithr > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Date: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 8:31 AM > Subject: Re: KR: Re: gluing foam for layup > > >You call it a " foam material". The only urethane glue I've seen I > wouldn't call "foam", it was kind of like a hard rubber after it set. Is > that > >what you're talking about? > > > > > >Ronald R. Eason Sr. wrote: > > > >> Use urethane wood glue. Its a 1-part not a 2-part foam material. It can > be > >> found at the lumber supply or cabinet materials supply outlet. > >> > >> Ron Eason > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: smithr > >> To: krnet-l@teleport.com > >> Date: Monday, November 09, 1998 12:21 PM > >> Subject: KR: gluing foam for layup > >> > >> >Hi KR gang! I'm still here, just haven't had much to say lately! > >> > > >> >I know this has been discussed, but I don't recall what the best > >> >solution was. > >> > > >> >I am ready to glue (urethane) foam blocks to my hstab/elevator spars. I > >> >am reluctant to use epoxy/microballoons because the epoxy will ooze out > >> >over the spars and harden and this will make sanding to contour > >> >difficult. The glue area here is kind of small (2" or less spars) so I > >> >can't just put a bead of glue down the center. > >> > > >> >(I have liquid 2-part urethane that I bought to use as glue but It > >> >doesn't seem like a good idea to use it here) > >> > > >> >Does anyone have a great solution to this problem?? Whats the best glue > >> >here? > >> > > >> >Bob Smith > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > >> > >> Ronald R. Eason Sr. > >> C.E.O., President > >> J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd. > >> Engineering > >> > >> Ronald R. Eason Sr. > >> C.E.O., President > > >> J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd. > >> Engineering > >> jrlkc@mindspring.com > Work Voice: 816-468-4091 > >> 7333 North Brooklyn > Home Voice: 816-468-4425 > >> Gladstone, > Voice Pager: 816-989-9692 > >> MO. > Work Fax: 816-468-5465 > >> 64118-2329 > Home Fax: 816-468-5465 > >> U.S.A. > >> Appartment Veranda House, 100 W. Lincoln ST., Tullahoma. TN. 37388, > House phone 931-455-7033, Fax 931-455-9335, Aptmt.#308, phone 931-393-3165. > >> Additional Information: > >> Version 2.1 > >> Last Name Eason Sr. > >> First Name Ronald > >> Additional NameR. > >> Label Work jrlkc@mindspring.com 7333 North Brooklyn Gladstone,, MO. > 64118-232 U.S.A. > >> Label Home 7333 N. Brooklyn Gladstone,, MO. 64118-2329 U.S.A. > >> Revision 19981110T024941Z > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Ronald R. Eason Sr. > C.E.O., President > J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd. > Engineering > > Ronald R. Eason Sr. > C.E.O., President > J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd. > Engineering > jrlkc@mindspring.com Work Voice: 816-468-4091 > 7333 North Brooklyn Home Voice: 816-468-4425 > Gladstone, Voice Pager: 816-989-9692 > MO. Work Fax: 816-468-5465 > 64118-2329 Home Fax: 816-468-5465 > U.S.A. > Appartment Veranda House, 100 W. Lincoln ST., Tullahoma. TN. 37388, House phone 931-455-7033, Fax 931-455-9335, Aptmt.#308, phone 931-393-3165. > Additional Information: > Version 2.1 > Last Name Eason Sr. > First Name Ronald > Additional NameR. > Label Work jrlkc@mindspring.com 7333 North Brooklyn Gladstone,, MO. 64118-232 U.S.A. > Label Home 7333 N. Brooklyn Gladstone,, MO. 64118-2329 U.S.A. > Revision 19981111T021403Z ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 13:06:36 -0600 From: "A.Doherty" Subject: Re: KR: Re:first flights Bobby Muse wrote: > At 04:31 PM 11/6/98 EST, you wrote: > >Yes I flew my own first flight. Just before touch down I closed my eyes. I > >have had 900 hrs flying different small planes. I have about 4 hrs on the KR. > >I am still teacing myself how to land the thing. I allready went through one > >nose gear and prop. But it is still a fun plane to fly. I have no problems > >with the takeoff and flying just getting it to slow down enough to land > >decently. Don Clarke > > > > Don, Slow it down on the downwind. I know it is hard to go that slow but > just - Do It. > > Your Friend, > > Bobby Muse > mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com > Wimberly, TX Might as well throw me experiences in on this! The first flight went fine without problems.......this was with a tri gear. I have since gone back to a tail dragger and find that the biggest problem is in the take off. To date I have managed three flights, all with full aft on the stick until about 45 mph.At this point the plane is ready to fly, so I ease up on the stick and am flying. I need immediate right rudder to counter the torque. I've tried lifting the tail before this speed, and on two occasions turned 90 degrees to the left, and off the runway!!!!!!! This is scary! I can't seem to jump on right rudder fast enough to counter the torque, with this method. Any ideas on this???? Landing doesn't seem to be a problem. Approach at 65 and the plane seems to stay in the grove all the way to the numbers. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 12:31:18 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Re:first flights "A.Doherty" wrote: <<>>>> Is this in a KR? What engine? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 12:39:45 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Re:first flights "A.Doherty" wrote: <<< I've tried lifting the tail before this speed, and on two occasions turned 90 degrees to the left, and off the runway!!!!!!! This is scary! I can't seem to jump on right rudder fast enough to counter the torque, with this method. Any ideas on this????>>> I usually trimmed the plane (C185) for take off and I always found that as my right hand pushed in the throttle the right foot came in a bit too. I guess I would start with too much right rudder on purpose and relax it a little as the airplane accelerated. I NEVER found it to be advantageous to try and force the tail up before it was ready to come up on its own. It could be that your vertical fin area as well as the rudder may not be large enough for the Subaru with the redrive. Also the rate at which you apply power has a lot to do with misadventures on the side of the runway! :o) (get it rolling before you come in with full power) - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 12:44:54 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Re:first flights "A.Doherty" wrote: <<<>>>> > One more thing (sorry guys) you may consider shimming your engine so the thrust line is offset to the right a little. I built my mount to offset the thrust 2 degrees to the right. No I didn't use any calculations I just took a WAG! - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 17:24:31 -0500 From: "Tim Stone" Subject: Re: KR: Re: Re: News Letters - -----Original Message----- From: Wayne DeLisle Sr. snip >Hopefully, I'll get my web page going this weekend, and will put it up there when I do. > >WD > Give a holler when you get it to your page. Would be interesting to read. Tim S. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 14:41:07 -0800 From: Diamond Woodie SSG Subject: KR: RE: Mazda Engines I have some information on this engine. I went by the hanger after our local EAA meeting and took a look at it. It is a twin rotor design that Dave says develops 75 hp at the crank at 6000 rpm. It is fitted with electronic fuel injection, dual rotor driven ignition, and a 3/1 belt driven reduction drive. The engine as fitted weighs 115 pounds and is a German import core base. The cost of the unit, sans radiator and exhaust is $9600. Anyone wanting more information can visit their web site. SSG Woodie H.W. Diamond Sr. Staff Sergeant, United States Army 704th Military Police Battalion -----Original Message----- From: Martin Mulvey [mailto:kr2smm@email.msn.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 12:12 AM To: krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: KR: Mazda Engines Hi All, I spoke with Dave Atkins (Atkins Rotary) about his latest developments tonight particularly as far as KR2 aircraft are concerned. He has now a two rotor, 75HP engine available for the type. It weighs 115 pounds fitted with dual ignition, alternator, starter and belt driven prop reduction (2.0:1, 3.0:1) drive. Cost or other particulars, I don't know. Although I am close by, I have not seen the unit yet. I will be seeing it over the coming weekend and will let you know then. He has a good product and this might really be promising. BRGDS, Marty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:32:46 From: Austin Clark Subject: Re: KR: Instrument panel height At 05:24 11/12/98 PST, you wrote: >Thanks I took a look at it. When I first put that instrument panel on I >thought that the front deck would have an real steep angle but now I >understand that the angle under the canopy doesnt necessarily have to be >the same as the angle for the front deck. Have you decided on your >canopy yet? I'm too cheap to shell out $425 for a dragonfly canopy but I >really like the thought of it. Troy Petteways gull wing uses flat stock >for the windsheild and then a cut kr2 canopy for the sides. I've been >looking at my Archer windows and theres really not much that couldnt be >done with flat stock all around. > I will probably cough up the dough for the D-fly canopy. I have been lurking on the D-fly list for several months hoping someone would have one for sale but no luck. Austin Clark Pascagoula, MS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:35:56 -0500 From: "Tom Andersen" Subject: Re: KR: Re: Re: News Letters Thanks for the great post Mike. That's a definite keeper in my KR files. I just started building my direct drive turbo Soob EA-81 two weeks ago. The exhaust is simpler than the VW installation because there is only two pipes on the bottom of the heads. The complicated part is plumbing both water and oil to the turbo but you can boost a lot more than 34" (Up to 45in on takeoff and 40 in for climb) because of the higher heat rejection of the liquid cooling. Dan's article has confirmed the problems I expected with a single high pitch wood prop. I'm going with a 2-blade 54" Warp Drive so I can use the vary the pitch settings to low pitch initially and cruise pitch for X-C. The Soob cranks can take the Warp Drive, even the 3-blade versions. I am buying a Mitsubishi TE-04 turbo (rebuilt) for only $400 from www.Majesticturbos.com . Not bad for something which increases your power up to 50%. This is a water-cooled, oil-fed, adjustable wastegate turbo, with a pressure sensing device which limits boost to 7psi. Most guys remove this controller and put a manual wastegate controller on them but that's more pilot workload. I wasn't aware that the Rayjay used in VW's had no wastegate at all. Now I'm thinking about leaving the 7psi limiter on it and just throttle back like the VW setup. One fella doesn't use boost at all in his direct drive turbo Soob EA-81 during cruise. He gets 3.8gph at about 3200rpm. He says he can't use the boost because the VNE on the Dragonfly is 165mph and any boost would overspeed the airplane. Such problems these turbo motors are, huh? - -Tom - -----Original Message----- From: Micheal Mims To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Thursday, November 12, 1998 10:44 AM Subject: Re: KR: Re: Re: News Letters >SLIMPIDLIN@aol.com wrote: >> >> I too would love to see that article on turbo charging by Dan Diehl. >> Any help on that subject will be greatly appreciated(my 2180 at this altitude screams TURBO. >> thanks >> Garry > >Guys most of that article ca be seen at: > >http://pw2.netcom.com/~mimsmand/turbo.html > >I posted that stuff a LONG time ago when I was considering a turbo VW. >Enjoy! > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >Irvine Ca >Fax 949.856.9417 >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:43:26 -0800 From: "Ronald R. Eason Sr." Subject: Re: KR: Re: gluing foam for layup The Brand name is EXCELL Wood Adhesive, it is available from Paxton Lumber Co. in Kansas City, Mo. I don't have the address or phone No. Paxton Lumber has a web page. Ron Eason - -----Original Message----- From: smithr To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Thursday, November 12, 1998 9:15 AM Subject: Re: KR: Re: gluing foam for layup >Could you give me the exact brand name and where I might be able to buy it? Thanks!! > >Ronald R. Eason Sr. wrote: > >> No it's urethane resin that is activated by moisture in the air. The only >> negative is it is not instant it take time to cure. It's used typically to >> glue veneer to wood substrate. >> >> Ron >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: smithr >> To: krnet-l@teleport.com >> Date: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 8:31 AM >> Subject: Re: KR: Re: gluing foam for layup >> >> >You call it a " foam material". The only urethane glue I've seen I >> wouldn't call "foam", it was kind of like a hard rubber after it set. Is >> that >> >what you're talking about? >> > >> > >> >Ronald R. Eason Sr. wrote: >> > >> >> Use urethane wood glue. Its a 1-part not a 2-part foam material. It can >> be >> >> found at the lumber supply or cabinet materials supply outlet. >> >> >> >> Ron Eason >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: smithr >> >> To: krnet-l@teleport.com >> >> Date: Monday, November 09, 1998 12:21 PM >> >> Subject: KR: gluing foam for layup >> >> >> >> >Hi KR gang! I'm still here, just haven't had much to say lately! >> >> > >> >> >I know this has been discussed, but I don't recall what the best >> >> >solution was. >> >> > >> >> >I am ready to glue (urethane) foam blocks to my hstab/elevator spars. I >> >> >am reluctant to use epoxy/microballoons because the epoxy will ooze out >> >> >over the spars and harden and this will make sanding to contour >> >> >difficult. The glue area here is kind of small (2" or less spars) so I >> >> >can't just put a bead of glue down the center. >> >> > >> >> >(I have liquid 2-part urethane that I bought to use as glue but It >> >> >doesn't seem like a good idea to use it here) >> >> > >> >> >Does anyone have a great solution to this problem?? Whats the best glue >> >> >here? >> >> > >> >> >Bob Smith >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> - >> >> >> >> Ronald R. Eason Sr. >> >> C.E.O., President >> >> J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd. >> >> Engineering >> >> >> >> Ronald R. Eason Sr. >> >> C.E.O., President >> >> >> J.R.L. 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Brooklyn Gladstone,, MO. 64118-2329 U.S.A. >> Revision 19981111T021403Z > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 17:00:48 -0800 From: Mike Mims Subject: Re: KR: Re: Re: News Letters Tom Andersen wrote: <<<<<< Most guys remove this controller and put a manual wastegate controller on them but that's more pilot workload. I wasn't aware that the Rayjay used in VW's had no wastegate at all. Now I'm thinking about leaving the 7psi limiter on it and> just throttle back like the VW setup.>>>>>> I think your gona (you will) find that the auto waste gate will not work and you will need to control it manually. You may want to get with Roger Enns on that one. He tried it many times before setting up the manual waste gate. In my opinion the manual control of the waste gate is what you want in an airplane anyway. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 19:34:16 +0000 From: Great Plains Aircraft Subject: Re: KR: engine case don't. steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 19:43:08 +0000 From: Great Plains Aircraft Subject: Re: KR: Props is props? NOT! wood props rule with vw's. steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 19:35:30 +0000 From: Great Plains Aircraft Subject: Re: KR: engine case 518 is the number. steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 20:49:28 -0500 From: "Tom Andersen" Subject: KR: Turbo wastegate/Posa carbs I think you're right about this. I'll probably use vernier controls for the throttle and the turbo. For good economy it's important to be able to open the turbo instead of closing the throttle. Turbos and airplanes go together like milk and honey. There is no greater (or cheaper) power to weight ratio gain for piston engines than a turbo. Unfortunately, they have not caught on in aviation because the aircraft engines can't take it except for normalizing. The structure of the average aircooled engine is too weak for the higher cylinder pressures and crankshaft torque which can be obtained with turbocharging. If engines can be built to handle diesel compression ratios and torque, why can't they be built to handle turbo loads? I have found in my research that many diesel engines (monstrous engines) are commonly turbocharged. Talk about compression ratios going through the roof! Diesels start out with 20:1, no? If you think about it, the turbo stuffs more fuel/air mixture into an EA-81 engine than is drawn in by larger NA engines, such as the O-290 :) ....... Oh now I am asking for it. Just kidding! Flameproof suit going on just in case... I know you used to be a DDTS fan, you actually got me started thinking about it. At that time I thought you were chasing a pipe dream. You used to end all your posts with "DDTS All the way!!!" Now I see what the allure is. I should be able to build my 100hp EA-81 direct drive turbo engine for less than 3K, including a professionally rebuilt engine, and adding dual spark sources. The intake and exhaust pipes are going to be the biggest challenge, but no more so than most homebrew auto conversions like Tom Crawfords where he welded up the intake and exhaust from scratch. I'm thinking of using a POSA carb instead of the Ellison EFS-3A. The POSA is more of a throttle body unit than a carburetor, right? Do you know of a source for Posa's? - -Tom DDTS All the Way!!!! >I think your gona (you will) find that the auto waste gate will not work >and you will need to control it manually. You may want to get with >Roger Enns on that one. He tried it many times before setting up the >manual waste gate. In my opinion the manual control of the waste gate >is what you want in an airplane anyway. > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #181 *****************************