From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com] Sent: Thursday, December 03, 1998 7:40 PM To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #190 krnet-l-digest Thursday, December 3 1998 Volume 02 : Number 190 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:26:19 -0500 From: "James Bassett." Subject: Re: KR: Re: Used KR2 - -----Original Message----- From: CruzJ12@aol.com To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Tuesday, December 01, 1998 7:04 AM Subject: Re: KR: Re: Used KR2 >I am interested in the Kr. Can you give me some details about the plane? > thanks, Joe > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:34:06 -0500 From: "James Bassett." Subject: KR: Re: Re: Used KR2 - -----Original Message----- From: Robert Gatliff To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Monday, November 30, 1998 4:45 PM Subject: KR: Re: Used KR2 >Scott, > I am not sure where you are writing from. I am located in Atlanta Ga and >own a KR2. I purchased it with a buddy of mine, completed with about 120 >hours on it. I have not flown it and with my schedule do not see myself >flying it in the future as it will take a good bit of trainning to get ready >for it. Let me know if you are interested, as I am willing to let it sell >for a song. > >Rob > >-----Original Message----- >From: Scott Skrogstad >To: 'krnet-l@teleport.com' >Date: Monday, November 30, 1998 2:36 PM >Subject: KR: Used KR2 > > >I am looking for a used KR2. I would consider a in the works plane if the >price was right. I am a new pilot and I am looking for something that I can >build a lot of hours on. > > >Scott Skrogstad > >Robert, Please include me on the KR info.I am in Jacksonville,Fl and get to Atlanta often. Jim Bassett (nifty@leading.net) > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 08:53:40 -0500 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: Fairing dimensions? Ed Janssen wrote: > > Question for you engineer types ( Reid or Langford, maybe?) - I need to > know how to figure the dimensions of a streamlined fairing for tubing, > given the diameter of the tube. The quick and dirty way is to make it 3 to 6 times longer than the size of the tubing. For example, a 1" tube would fair out to 3" to 6". Any reasonable shape will work reasonably well. If you are really looking for the lowest drag, get a set of airfoil coordinates and scale them to the correst size. A NACA 66-015 or 66-018 would be a good choice. The NACA means National Advisory Committee on Aeronautics (pre-NASA), the 66 means a family of airfoils which happen to be very low drag due to a large amount of laminar airflow. The -015 or -018 means 15% (or 18%) thick. If it looks too "long", try a 66-021. This is shape that forms the basis of my wheel pants and it looks really good. This website has the coordinates of over 1200 different airfoils http://amber.aae.uiuc.edu/~m-selig/ads/coord_database.html They are given in x,y coordinates. X is the length, y is the width. The length units will almost always be 0,0 at the leading edge and 1.0,0 at the trailing edge. Multiply the coordinates by the length that you want and you are all set. Make as many wooden patterns as necessary, glue them to the tubing, add foam, shape to the pattern, and cover with glass. If you have a graphics routine that will accurately plot on a printer, you can import the coordinates into that software package, scale it to the correct size, print it on gummed paper, and stick the gummed paper to your patterns. - -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 07:33:10 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Fairing dimensions? Ed Janssen wrote: <<<>>> Horner's (spelling?) charts say the optimum ratio is 3.7 to 1. Anything longer than this shows very little drag reduction. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:15:05 -0600 (CST) From: Steven Eberhart Subject: Re: KR: Fairing dimensions? The UIUC airfoil web site also has a public domain airfoil plotting program called plotfoil that I use for airfoil plots. It's output is in postscript so you will need a postscript printer. Another program that I use is Airfoil Browser from Hanley Innovations. This program includes the UIUC airfoil database and displays the airfoil on your computer and you can export it in AutoCad format ready for importing into any CAD software that supports DXF format. Plotfoil does a good curve fit and outputs smooth airfoil curves. Airfoil Browser connects all of the airfoil plot points with straight lines but for your needs will work fine. If you don't have a printer or plotter suitable let me know the airfoil you want to use and the chord length of the airfoil and I will mail you a plot of the airfoil. Steve On Tue, 1 Dec 1998, Donald Reid wrote: > Ed Janssen wrote: > > > > Question for you engineer types ( Reid or Langford, maybe?) - I need to > > know how to figure the dimensions of a streamlined fairing for tubing, > > given the diameter of the tube. > > The quick and dirty way is to make it 3 to 6 times longer than the size > of the tubing. For example, a 1" tube would fair out to 3" to 6". Any > reasonable shape will work reasonably well. > > If you are really looking for the lowest drag, get a set of airfoil > coordinates and scale them to the correst size. A NACA 66-015 or 66-018 > would be a good choice. The NACA means National Advisory Committee on > Aeronautics (pre-NASA), the 66 means a family of airfoils which happen > to be very low drag due to a large amount of laminar airflow. The -015 > or -018 means 15% (or 18%) thick. If it looks too "long", try a > 66-021. This is shape that forms the basis of my wheel pants and it > looks really good. > > This website has the coordinates of over 1200 different airfoils > > http://amber.aae.uiuc.edu/~m-selig/ads/coord_database.html > > They are given in x,y coordinates. X is the length, y is the width. > The length units will almost always be 0,0 at the leading edge and 1.0,0 > at the trailing edge. Multiply the coordinates by the length that you > want and you are all set. > > Make as many wooden patterns as necessary, glue them to the tubing, add > foam, shape to the pattern, and cover with glass. > > If you have a graphics routine that will accurately plot on a printer, > you can import the coordinates into that software package, scale it to > the correct size, print it on gummed paper, and stick the gummed paper > to your patterns. > -- > Don Reid > Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com > KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm > Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html > - ------------------------------------- http://www.newtech.com/nlf One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly food for thought and is in no way intended to imply that it is anything more than ideas requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:48:23 EST From: JKM001@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Used KR2 I am interested in your KR. Is it the standars or the "S" version? Let me know what kind of price you are asking. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 11:29:40 PST From: "Richard Parker" Subject: KR: looking for Tom Crawford anyone have Tom Crawfords phone number? Rich Parker theparkers@monad.net richontheroad@hotmail.com http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 19:03:21 EST From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: KR: Couple of used planes These are not KRs but if anyone is interested or you know of anybody, pass the word. An old high school buddy of mine's father-in-law just died and had two projects and both are now for sale. The first one is a Baby Great Lakes with a C65. Some wind damage to the fabric on one wing. The other is a P5151 3/4 scale 50% built with a Rotax 503. This is a full kit with all parts to finish. They are selling each in the $6000.00 range. Call Darrell @ 606 739-8516 Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 20:09:20 EST From: FLawshe@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Re: Used KR2 Rob, I am interested in the tune of the song. Flawshe@aol.com Let me know how much you want for it. Thanks, Fred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 20:55:34 -0500 From: "Robert Gatliff" Subject: Re: KR: Used KR2 No it is not an S version. It has the 1835 VW Type 4 with standard one plug point ignition, taildragger, bubble canapy, no radio, with ELT and basic VFR guages. I would have to discuss the price with my partner in the purchase, so I do not want to quote you one now. However, I guarantee it will be below what you can find anywhere else as it has not flown in 8 months. Rob - -----Original Message----- From: JKM001@aol.com To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Tuesday, December 01, 1998 1:49 PM Subject: Re: KR: Used KR2 >I am interested in your KR. Is it the standars or the "S" version? >Let me know what kind of price you are asking. > >Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 09:37:44 -0700 From: "Jim Whiteshield" Subject: Re: KR: Used KR2 - --a)Do you have a pictorial record of the construction so far completed, that will be acceptable to the FAA? - --b)I am moving to the Orlando area in the coming year, do you have space to store it until I arrive? - --c)Will you accept payments until I arrive? - --d)What are you asking for it? On Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:57:50 Tim Key wrote: >Scott, > >I am located in Orlando, Florida. I have a KR-2 through the "tub" stage >with the center spars installed and on the gear... also have a canopy... >the tail feathers are complete... I do not have the time to complete it >and will make a good deal on it... the construction is top notch... >complete with plans and other miscellaneous stuff... > >Tim Key >timkey@gdi.net >407-859-6997 > HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 13:28:41 -0500 From: Chris Gardiner Subject: Re: KR: Panel Planner Oscar, I would love to borrow the panel planner software. My KR2S is about 40% complete ( glassing wings now) and am planning to do the instrument panel this winter.Those cold dark nights in the garage don't look too appealing some days. Sure would appreciate the s/w loan. Please advise. Regards Chris Gardiner Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > Hello, Netters > > I have the Panel Planner software of Dana's, but I'm not building at the > moment so please tell me if you were wanting it so I can send it on to > you. Otherwise, it will be safe here for the winter ;o) > > And for any who didn't know, Paul Martin's rebuilt KR-2 got signed off > by the FAA last week. Paul and Linda are in Hawaii at the moment (Mike- > what did you start with all the island vacationing?), so it looks like > first flight may not be until November. I think he's trailering it down > to Groom Lake for first flight ;o) > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, Oregon > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 18:16:32 -0600 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: KR: Please e-mail direct! Netters, Here we go again! Unless the sender feels the contents of his e-mail would benefit most KRnetters, please e-mail direct and NOT through KRnet. This particular thread is probably not way off what would be considered a KR topic but I would consider it personal and therefore not of interest to me or many of the guys. Many of us get lots of e-mail to wade through each day - I'm wearing out my trash button. :0) Also starting to see some "Thank you" (and that's all) messages again, which we can all do with out. Thanks, in advance, for being considerate. Ed Janssen the topic of interest for most of usnettersit is general Threads likethiAt 09:37 AM 12/2/98 -0700, you wrote: > >--a)Do you have a pictorial record of the construction so far completed, that will be acceptable to the FAA? >--b)I am moving to the Orlando area in the coming year, do you have space to store it until I arrive? >--c)Will you accept payments until I arrive? >--d)What are you asking for it? > > >On Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:57:50 Tim Key wrote: >>Scott, >> >>I am located in Orlando, Florida. I have a KR-2 through the "tub" stage >>with the center spars installed and on the gear... also have a canopy... >>the tail feathers are complete... I do not have the time to complete it >>and will make a good deal on it... the construction is top notch... >>complete with plans and other miscellaneous stuff... >> >>Tim Key >>timkey@gdi.net >>407-859-6997 >> > > >HotBot - Search smarter. >http://www.hotbot.com > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 20:52:13 EST From: FLawshe@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Please e-mail direct! Chill out ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 17:32:43 PST From: "Jesse Klebsch" Subject: KR: 1835 vs. 2180 I have a HAPPI 1835 vw with 60 hp in my kr-2. i was wondering just how much difference in performance a 2180 would provide in terms of rate of climb and speed. Also, would it require a different prop? the HAPPi has a large amount of endplay and the rear main is leaking. Does anyone have any suggestions on what would cause this. The engine has about 300 hours on it. Does anyone know of a replacement engine i could buy cheap, or should i try and rebuild this. If so, is the upgrade to the larger engine worth the cost and can the HAPPI be upgraded? Does anyone run the standard electronic ignition either alone, or with a mag? How is it's reliability. Has anyone ever heard of running two ignitions through the same spark plug(one at a time and then switch if failure occurs)? Any information regarding vw's would be apprecitated. thanx, Jesse Klebsch Ottumwa Iowa 515-682-6841 flyenjk@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 18:47:40 -0800 From: MARVIN MCCOY Subject: Re: KR: 1835 vs. 2180 Jesse Klebsch wrote: > > I have a HAPPI 1835 vw with 60 hp in my kr-2. i was wondering Has anyone ever heard of running two ignitions through the same spark plug(one at a time and > then switch if failure occurs)? Any information regarding vw's Jesse: MSD makes a switch for their ignition that allows two ignitions with one set of spark plugs. I think, but not positive, that it will switch automatically. Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 20:05:59 -0700 From: jwnw1@juno.com (John M. Wadleigh) Subject: KR: KR2 wingskins I am building a KR2S. I am interested in using wingskins. The Rand-Robinson site is advertising their KR2S wingskins for $4,200.00. The Diehl aero site is advertising KR2 wingskins for $1,500.00. Is there a difference between the KR2 and the KR2S wings? Does either of these wingskins incorporate the wing fuel tanks? Can the Diehl wingskins fit a KR2S? Does anyone have experience with these wingskins? I would appreciate help with these questions. Thank you. John Wadleigh e-mail jwnw1@juno.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 22:33:24 -0500 From: "WARRON GRAY" Subject: Re: KR: 1835 vs. 2180 Marvin, I use a coil splitter on my soob. i use 2 coils and 2 cdi ignition systems run thru my distributor. i run one or the other ignition system or both at the same time . i use 2 switches on the system one thru the master and one direct to the battery thru the key switch. Runs fine with both ignitions on or in either setting. Warron - -----Original Message----- From: MARVIN MCCOY To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 10:06 PM Subject: Re: KR: 1835 vs. 2180 >Jesse Klebsch wrote: >> >> I have a HAPPI 1835 vw with 60 hp in my kr-2. i was wondering > Has anyone ever heard of running two ignitions through the same spark >plug(one at a time and >> then switch if failure occurs)? Any information regarding vw's > >Jesse: > MSD makes a switch for their ignition that allows two ignitions with >one set of spark plugs. I think, but not positive, that it will switch >automatically. > >Marvin McCoy >Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 19:29:06 -0800 From: Mike Mims Subject: Re: KR: KR2 wingskins "John M. Wadleigh" wrote: > > I am building a KR2S. I am interested in using wingskins. The > Rand-Robinson site is advertising their KR2S wingskins for $4,200.00. > The Diehl aero site is advertising KR2 wingskins for $1,500.00. Is there a difference between the KR2 and the KR2S wings? Does either of these wingskins incorporate the wing fuel tanks? Can the Diehl wingskins fit a KR2S? >>>>>>> Yes the DD skins can be used on the KR2S. I think you will find the primary difference between the skins is the RR skins are oven cured. But for a cost savings of almost $3k who cares? Yes you can install wing tanks in the DD skins. Also the planform of the DD skins is the same as the wing that was adapted to the KR2S. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 19:25:09 -0800 From: Mike Mims Subject: Re: KR: 1835 vs. 2180 Jesse Klebsch wrote: > > I have a HAPPI 1835 vw with 60 hp in my kr-2. i was wondering just how > much difference in performance a 2180 would provide in terms of rate of > climb and speed. Also, would it require a different prop? I think you will see a better rate of climb and a slight increase in top speed. Yes you will need a prop with substantial more pitch. Most 1835s turn a 52X48 or so and the 2180 probably turns a 52X52 or 54 inch pitch. > the HAPI has a large amount of endplay and the rear main is leaking. > Does anyone have any suggestions on what would cause this. The engine > has about 300 hours on it. The engine should have no more end play than when installed in an auto. With the end play shims being located at the rear main bearing (same place your leaking) I would suspect damage to the web, thrust bearing, loose gland nut or a combination of things. (FIX IT ASAP) >Does anyone know of a replacement engine i could buy cheap, or should i try and rebuild this. If so, is the upgrade to the larger engine worth the cost and can the HAPPI be upgraded? >>>> There is no reason the HAPI can not be upgraded to a 2180 or larger. I would recommend getting with Steve at GPASC (he is on this list) to discuss your options. Nothing in aviation is cheep so I think your SOL in that dept. Although the VW is the most cost effective source of power for the KR, plan on spending at least $1000 to do the job right (more if you plan to go up to 2180). I think this is the primary reason most homebuilts never make it to the runway. There is a misconception that a plane such as the KR is cheep but it just aint so. >>>>Does anyone run the standard electronic ignition either alone, or with a mag? How is it's reliability. Has anyone ever heard of running two ignitions through the same spark plug(one at a time and then switch if failure occurs)? >>>>> Yes this has been done using a MSD coil switching system (it aint cheep either!). There have been many VWs run with single ignitions, electronic and magneto types. I guess it all depends on what YOU are comfortable with. Personally I think running the 009 distributor (points or electronic) from the stock VW drive location would be the best setup. After seeing the mag related problems and the cost of repairing those problems on my friends VW powered homebuilts the distributor looks better all the time. So what if you have a little hump in your cowling! - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 22:25:07 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: Admin stuff -- New Digests Wow, This is TERRIFIC. I just added 266 members from my normal list and 46 members from my digest list, and it took only about 5 mouse clicks. Then I edited up some Documents, and click. I'm done. I'm ready to switch all my members over in only a couple of hours. However I asked to change the name of my lyris list, I made the request for krnet-l before I knew I could drop the -l, I want to see if I can get kr-net, before I turn all the members on to the new stuff and fix my web links. The cool thing is that Lyris does all the validation of email addresses and handles BOUNCED emails for me!! Whoo HOO!!! -- Ross ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 20:02:13 -0600 From: Steve Bennett Subject: Re: KR: Used KR2 Robert Gatliff wrote: > > No it is not an S version. It has the 1835 VW Type 4 with standard one plug > point ignition, taildragger, bubble canapy, no radio, with ELT and basic VFR > guages. I would have to discuss the price with my partner in the purchase, > so I do not want to quote you one now. However, I guarantee it will be below > what you can find anywhere else as it has not flown in 8 months. > > Rob > > -----Original Message----- > From: JKM001@aol.com > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Date: Tuesday, December 01, 1998 1:49 PM > Subject: Re: KR: Used KR2 > > >I am interested in your KR. Is it the standars or the "S" version? > >Let me know what kind of price you are asking. > > > >Keith never heard of an 1835 Type 4. steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 07:03:12 EST From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: KR2 wingskins << Yes you can install wing tanks in the DD skins. Also the platform of the DD skins is the same as the wing that was adapted to the KR2S. >> Be sure and call Dan because the end of the spars are somewhat different from the plans. It is something you can change if you have already completed you spars. Also don't drill you WAF fittings yet, as the rear spar placement is different. Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 07:33:03 -0500 From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Subject: Re: KR: KR2 wingskins Hello Mike,

Is the $1500 price for the DD skins for both wings??  For that price, it hardly seems
worth building them yourself.

I sent an Email to Dan about 3 weeks ago asking that question and some others
but he hasn't answered yet.   Is he a little slow with his email??

WD


At 07:29 PM 12/2/98 -0800, you wrote:
>"John M. Wadleigh" wrote:
>>
>>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 I am building a KR2S.=A0 I am interested in= using wingskins.=A0 The
>> Rand-Robinson site is advertising their KR2S wingskins for $4,200.00.
>> The Diehl aero site is advertising KR2 wingskins for $1,500.00.=A0 Is there a difference between the KR2 and the KR2S wings?=A0 Does either of these wingskins incorporate the wing fuel tanks?=A0=A0=A0 Can the Diehl wingskins fit a KR2S? >>>>>>>
>
>Yes the DD skins can be used on the KR2S.=A0 I think you will find the
>primary difference between the skins is the RR skins are oven cured.
>But for a cost savings of almost $3k who cares?=A0 Yes you can install
>wing tanks in the DD skins. Also the planform of the DD skins is the
>same as the wing that was adapted to the KR2S.
>
>
>--
>zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>Micheal Mims
>SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now
>mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net
>http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/<= br> >Irvine Ca
>Fax 949.856.9417
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>

Wayne DeLisle Sr.
E-mail:support@sestar.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 08:37:27 EST From: Kr2dream@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: KR2 wingskins I am using the DD skins on my wings. A major difference is that the RR skins include the stub sections and I understand the flap and aileron sections are pre-cut. I chose not to go that route as the RR skins were not yet available (I was on the wait list). Given the choice again I believe I would chose the DD skins primarily because of the cost. They are great and easy to work with. Bob mLasecki Chicago ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:15:08 -0500 From: "James Bassett." Subject: KR: DD wingskins This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BE1EAE.2FB3AE00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Are the Diehl wings the same Raf 48 or, is there some mod to the shape = from the standard RR airfoil? Jim Bassett (nifty@leading.net) - ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BE1EAE.2FB3AE00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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- ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BE1EAE.2FB3AE00-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 08:04:59 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: 1835 vs. 2180 Jesse, I would go off and order a Great Plains catalog. They have a 2180cc upgrade kit, but you would have to send the case in for machining. I have a Great Plains 1835cc in my KR, with a single ignition COMPU-FIRE electronic ignition ($265). I found that working with a VW isn't too bad, you could buy Steve's book on VW building, open the case and check the specs on the engine. You may find that all you need is some new endplay shims and a new rear seal. I think the 2180cc upgrade kit from Great Plains is over $1000, but you get the Force-1 hub which requries machine work on your case. Upgrading to 2180cc requires a new crank, and machine work on your existing camshaft and case to clearance it for the longer stroke. It's hard to say how much it would cost to upgrade from here as there is no way to determine if your existing case or cam are serviceable. I'm thinking all that you keep when you go to 2180cc is the case, lifters, cam, connecting rods and possibly the oil pump. The crank has to be replaced. This is one of the $$$ items. (I forgot, you get to re-use your heads, but they need machine work to fit the new bigger jugs). You can call Props Inc in Newport Oregon to talk prop pitches, or Steve Bennett could probably recommend a good one too. There was a thread about running two ignitions through the same spark plug. I don't recall the outcome. - -- Regards Ross P.S. My KR with single electronic ignition is not flying. I have the Deihl accessory case, so I can add a Magneto, but would then want to machine the heads for dual ignition. - -- Regards Ross Jesse Klebsch wrote: > > I have a HAPPI 1835 vw with 60 hp in my kr-2. i was wondering just how > much difference in performance a 2180 would provide in terms of rate of > climb and speed. Also, would it require a different prop? > the HAPPi has a large amount of endplay and the rear main is leaking. > Does anyone have any suggestions on what would cause this. The engine > has about 300 hours on it. Does anyone know of a replacement engine i > could buy cheap, or should i try and rebuild this. If so, is the > upgrade to the larger engine worth the cost and can the HAPPI be > upgraded? Does anyone run the standard electronic ignition either > alone, or with a mag? How is it's reliability. Has anyone ever heard > of running two ignitions through the same spark plug(one at a time and > then switch if failure occurs)? Any information regarding vw's would be > apprecitated. > thanx, > Jesse Klebsch > Ottumwa Iowa > 515-682-6841 > > flyenjk@hotmail.com > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 Corvallis,Oregon mailto:rossy@saber.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:57:44 -0000 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR: Re: DD wingskins This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BE1EAB.C12152A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jim Bassett wrote: >Are the Diehl wings the same Raf 48 or, is there some mod to the shape = from the standard RR airfoil? The Diehl skins are RAF48, but have extended tips for a little extra = wing area. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford - ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BE1EAB.C12152A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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>Are the Diehl wings the same Raf = 48 or, is=20 there some mod to the shape from the standard RR airfoil?
 
The Diehl skins are RAF48, but have = extended=20 tips for a little extra wing area.

Mark Langford,  Huntsville, = Alabama
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- ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BE1EAB.C12152A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:13:16 EST From: Jumpnkd@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Re: Used KR2 What is a song?(how much) I would like to here from you so write me back Bill white ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 13:02:30 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: 1835 vs. 2180 Ross Youngblood wrote: > I think the 2180cc upgrade kit from Great Plains is over $1000, but you > get the Force-1 hub which requries machine work on your case.>>> The $1000 reference I was making was to rebuild his 1835. Building up a 2180 would cost much more than $1000. Maybe my writing was a little confusing? Nah not me! :o) - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 14:27:32 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: 1835 vs. 2180 Mike, I wrote that before I saw your note. I think you could rebuild an 1835 for under $1000, but to upgrade to 2180 would be an addtional $1500-2000, I can't recall the prices. My writing is confusing too. I chatted with Steve about the 1835 vs the 2180. The 2180 is great if you can afford it, but it is a bit more of a stretch than the 1835 with respect to the original VW case. The 2180 requires just a bit more TLC than the 1835, you want to check it say every 50 hours or so when perhaps you could get by with every 100 hours on the 1835. This is not a quote from Steve, but my rationalization for staying with the 1835, when I couldn't find the extra $$$ for the 2180. -- Regards Ross Micheal Mims wrote: > > Ross Youngblood wrote: > > I think the 2180cc upgrade kit from Great Plains is over $1000, but you > > get the Force-1 hub which requries machine work on your case.>>> > > The $1000 reference I was making was to rebuild his 1835. Building up a > 2180 would cost much more than $1000. Maybe my writing was a little > confusing? Nah not me! :o) > > -- > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > Micheal Mims > SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > Irvine Ca > Fax 949.856.9417 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 Corvallis,Oregon mailto:rossy@saber.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 17:54:35 -0800 From: MARVIN MCCOY Subject: KR: Re: single plug dual ignition WARRON GRAY wrote: > > Marvin, I use a coil splitter on my soob. i use 2 coils and 2 cdi ignition > systems run thru my distributor. i run one or the other ignition system or > both at the same time . i use 2 switches on the system one thru the master > and one direct to the battery thru the key switch. Runs fine with both > ignitions on or in either setting. Warron > -----Original Message----- > - ------------------------ Warron: I would be real interested in the model and part numbers you are using if you have them handy. I like the idea of running both ignitions at the same time. Should give plenty of spark. Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field - ------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 19:56:28 -0600 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Please e-mail direct! At 08:52 PM 12/2/98 EST, you wrote: >Chill out > I agree. Bobby Muse mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 20:26:21 -0600 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: KR: I call "uncle" Done. :0) Ed At 07:56 PM 12/3/98 -0600, you wrote: >At 08:52 PM 12/2/98 EST, you wrote: >>Chill out >> >I agree. > Bobby Muse > mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com > Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 19:39:39 -0800 From: John Esch Subject: Re: KR: Re: single plug dual ignition I would be interested in this setup also John F. Esch Salem, OR Extreme south end of Boeing Field MARVIN MCCOY wrote: > WARRON GRAY wrote: > > > > Marvin, I use a coil splitter on my soob. i use 2 coils and 2 cdi ignition > > systems run thru my distributor. i run one or the other ignition system or > > both at the same time . i use 2 switches on the system one thru the master > > and one direct to the battery thru the key switch. Runs fine with both > > ignitions on or in either setting. Warron > > -----Original Message----- > > > > ------------------------ > Warron: > I would be real interested in the model and part numbers you are using > if you have them handy. I like the idea of running both ignitions at > the same time. Should give plenty of spark. > > Marvin McCoy > Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field > ------------------ ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #190 *****************************