From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Saturday, December 05, 1998 12:01 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: December 04, 1998 KR-net users group Digest for Friday, December 04, 1998. 1. Test 2. Re: Admin... new email address kr-net@telelists.com 3. Back in the air again 4. Re: Back in the air again 5. aluminum kits? 6. Re: aluminum kits? 7. Don Clarke KR2 N9296M 8. Re: aluminum kits? 9. Winglets info and test 10. Re: aluminum kits? 11. Moving to NEW list server within 24 hours 12. Re: Rex's test 13. Re: Don Clarke KR2 N9296M 14. Re: Don Clarke KR2 N9296M 15. Re: Winglets info and test 16. Re: KR: 1835 vs. 2180 17. Re: Don Clarke KR2 N9296M 18. Piano Hinge 19. Re: Moving to NEW list server within 24 hours 20. Test -- do not read ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Test From: Jim Faughn Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 05:35:56 -0600 X-Message-Number: 1 I haven't been able to post since I went to the digest. I was just wanting to see if the new list serve was going to take my posts now. Sorry about the extra email in your box. -- Jim Faughn N8931JF St. Louis, MO (314) 652-7659 or (573) 465-8039 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Admin... new email address kr-net@telelists.com From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 08:03:06 -0500 X-Message-Number: 2
Just being testie.....


At 08:21 PM 12/3/98 +0000, you wrote:
>I have recieved confirmation that we have a new mailing list name.
>
>You can now TRY the new address for KRNET posts use
>mailto:kr-net@telelists.com
>
>If it works keep using it, if it doesn't don't post to KRNET send
>one of the new "list-moms" an email and we will fix things up for you.
>
>I have recruited two assistants to help in administering the new list,
>and hopefully we can all learn how to run this at the same=20 time.
>
>List moms:
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>Ross Youngblood (me)=A0 krnet@krnet.org or rossy@teleport.com
>Brian Bland=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 bbland@gateway.net
>Oscar Zuniga=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 taildrags@hotmail.com
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>There is also a WEB interface that you can use to search the archives
>it is at:
>http://http://lyris1.telelists.com/htbin/lyris.pl?enter= =3Dkr-nettext_mode=3D0
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>In fact, I used it to post this email.
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>Again, please don't load kr-net with email problems send the email
>to one of the list-moms above and we will whine amongst ourselves
>to clear things up.
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>-- Regards
>=A0=A0 Ross
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E-mail:support@sestar.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Back in the air again From: DClarke351@aol.com Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:40:55 EST X-Message-Number: 3 Don Clarke here in El Paso with N9296M KR-2. After my slight mishap on landing awile back I am off and flying again with a new prop and nose gear tube. I will do my best to do better landings now so I can finally fly off my 40 hrs of FAA time. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Back in the air again From: DClarke351@aol.com Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:45:52 EST X-Message-Number: 4 I was not trying to unsubscribe, only trying to let the net know whats going on in this corner of the world. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: aluminum kits? From: "Mark Langford" Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:35:59 -0000 X-Message-Number: 5 NetHeads, I tried to order my 1.25" x 3" x 1/8" wall rectangular section aluminum tubing for my Frise aileron hinges today. It turns out the TubeSales has a $200 minimum order. Since I can't find this stuff anywhere else (in 6061-T6) I'm desperate enough to order it anyway. It occured to me that if anybody else needs their "aluminum kit", I could order it at the same time, meet the $200 minimum (if I get two or more kits), and probably save the kit buyers some money in the process. Anybody interested? And does anybody have the RR aluminum kit that could tell me what's in it? I could make a good stab at it (since I bought one 5 years ago) but I'd like to know exactly, so I could check and see what the actual savings would be to any would-be participants. Seems like I remember thinking there wasn't much in it for the $125 that I paid for it. Just two 3' 2" x 4" x .125" angles for firewall reinforcement, two feet of 1" x 1" x .125" channel and two feet of 1.25" x 1.25" x .125" channel for control surface hinges, and something else, I'm sure. Anybody know what I'm missing here? Thanks, Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: aluminum kits? From: Ross Youngblood Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 11:38:25 -0800 X-Message-Number: 6 Mark, The aluminum kit also included parts for the Retractable Landing Gear. Possibly the spring bar (rather expensive single piece $40-80.00), and I believe some aluminum BOX stock 1"x2"x.125" about 2'. This was used to build the "mousetrap" retract stuff. Some of the AL box stuff is used to make the aileron bellcranks, and aileron bellcrank brackets too. The Wicks catalog has a good breakdown of the AL kit by size. I have found a local supplier for AL stock. The hardware store here in Corvallis gets 6061 stock from a Aluminum manufacturor here in Oregon. The prices are $$$ but I can run in and buy some .125 angle whenever I need it. It's handy now that I'm almost done. Not everything they have is 6061, but after searching a while I can usually find what I need. -- Regards Ross Mark Langford wrote: > > NetHeads, > > I tried to order my 1.25" x 3" x 1/8" wall rectangular section aluminum > tubing for my Frise aileron hinges today. It turns out the TubeSales has a > $200 minimum order. Since I can't find this stuff anywhere else (in > 6061-T6) I'm desperate enough to order it anyway. It occured to me that if > anybody else needs their "aluminum kit", I could order it at the same time, > meet the $200 minimum (if I get two or more kits), and probably save the kit > buyers some money in the process. Anybody interested? > > And does anybody have the RR aluminum kit that could tell me what's in it? > I could make a good stab at it (since I bought one 5 years ago) but I'd like > to know exactly, so I could check and see what the actual savings would be > to any would-be participants. Seems like I remember thinking there wasn't > much in it for the $125 that I paid for it. Just two 3' 2" x 4" x .125" > angles for firewall reinforcement, two feet of 1" x 1" x .125" channel and > two feet of 1.25" x 1.25" x .125" channel for control surface hinges, and > something else, I'm sure. Anybody know what I'm missing here? > > Thanks, > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@saber.slb.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 Corvallis,Oregon mailto:rossy@saber.slb.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Don Clarke KR2 N9296M From: dclarke351@aol.com Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:2:54 X-Message-Number: 7 Just thought I would let eveyone know that I am now once again flying off my 40 hours here in El Paso so I might be able fly to Ky next year. I also have a rebuilt Subaru Engine for sale. Anyone interested? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: aluminum kits? From: Patrick Flowers Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 15:01:43 -0500 X-Message-Number: 8 Mark Langford wrote: > > I tried to order my 1.25" x 3" x 1/8" wall rectangular section aluminum > tubing for my Frise aileron hinges today. It turns out the TubeSales has a > $200 minimum order. Mark, Is the minimum the same for counter sales? I live about ten miles from there and could pick the stuff up for you if that helps. BTW, did you see Barnaby Wainfan's article on adverse yaw in the January Kitplanes? He mentions Frise ailerons and some possible pitfalls. Patrick -- Patrick Flowers Mailto:patri63@ibm.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Winglets info and test From: "Rex Ellington" Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:08:32 CST X-Message-Number: 9 HI. I'm a slow learner. So, step 1 is to try to post to the new list. If this works I will change my subscription. My real query is prompted by a recent ride in a commercial jet and a more recent looking through my plans set for the Cozy. Do any of you know of a reasonably good reference for self education on the Whitcomb winglet? There must be something out there in the public domain, but I haven't found it yet. Maybe John Roncz (sp ?) has put something out besides what appeared in Sport Aviation some years ago. Thanks in advance Rex Ellington Rex T. Ellington ellingto@gslan.offsys.ou.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: aluminum kits? From: "Mark Langford" Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:15:25 -0000 X-Message-Number: 10 Patrick Flowers wrote: >Is the minimum the same for counter sales? Yep, no dice there either. I'll check the Frise aileron article tonight if I have it yet. It may be in a pile about 2' deep that I got while I was gone... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Moving to NEW list server within 24 hours From: Ross Youngblood Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 12:25:50 -0800 X-Message-Number: 11 I have instructed the list administrator gurus at teleport.com, to turn on the aliasing so that mail to krnet-l@teleport.com will soon go to kr-net@telelists.com instead. This is going to be PHASE II of the move to the new kr-net email list. The only thing you should notice is that your email from KRNET stops having "KR:" in the subject, and will have [krnet-l] in the subject. And the from address will be different. Eventually everyone will have to start posting emails to kr-net@teleport.com Within a day or so, I will turn-off the majordomo list so if you suddenly stop getting emails from KRnet, this could be the reason. With the NEW kr-net service you can now CONTROL how much email you get every day. If you don't want ANY mail, go to the web server and tell it that is what you want.. you can still post to KRNET as a member. I have selected the "index" function for myself, kr-net will email me a list of the daily topics on KRNET, then I can go to the kr-net website and read only the ones I am interested in. If you don't have web access to the internet, then there is an email method to do everything you can do on the web, I just don't have the commands memorized yet. http://lyris1.telelists.com/htbin/lyris.pl?enter=kr-net -- Regards Ross -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 Corvallis,Oregon mailto:rossy@saber.slb.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Rex's test From: Ross Youngblood Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 12:30:30 -0800 X-Message-Number: 12 Rex Ellington wrote: > > HI. > > I'm a slow learner. So, step 1 is to try to post > to the new list. If this works I will change my > subscription. > Rex, Actually the only thing you need to do from now on is to make your posts to kr-net@telelists.com instead of the old krnet-l@teleport.com. Otherwise, you don't have to do anything, I've taken care of it. My major concern is that I don't want to loose anyone in the transfer. If you want to investigate using the web access for kr-net you can. There is a password field, but unless you give yourself a password, you don't need one. I didn't assign users passwords. One of the things folks may wish to do who are getting too much KRNET email, would be to change your subscription to the INDEX mode, where you only get a list of topics every day. You have to go to the edit page in the web to do this. There is a way to do this by sending email to the server but I don't know the commands at the moment. -- Regards Ross ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Don Clarke KR2 N9296M From: John Esch Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 12:37:37 -0800 X-Message-Number: 13 How old and how much for the soob? John F. Esch Salem, OR dclarke351@aol.com wrote: > Just thought I would let eveyone know that I am now once again flying off > my 40 hours here in El Paso so I might be able fly to Ky next year. I also > have a rebuilt Subaru Engine for sale. Anyone interested? > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jesch@cyberis.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Don Clarke KR2 N9296M From: DClarke351@aol.com Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:37:11 EST X-Message-Number: 14 1984 Soob but has been rebuilt with now 0 - SMOH. All the parts were checked out as standard size at the time of rebuild. Does not have re-drive. Does have original carb but would suggest using the Revmaster carb. (lighter and less complicated) It also comes with the original alternator and distributor. Asking $850.00 + shipping from El Paso. . Was going to put it into my KR2 but decided on the Revmaster instead. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Winglets info and test From: Donald Reid Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 19:20:30 -0500 X-Message-Number: 15 Rex Ellington wrote: > Do any of you know > of a reasonably good reference for self education > on the Whitcomb winglet? There must be something > out there in the public domain, but I haven't found it > yet. Maybe John Roncz (sp ?) has put something > out besides what appeared in Sport Aviation some > years ago. You might try going to the NASA Tech Report website and doing a search. I have gotten several tech reports on aero subjects. The price is not bad and they will ship it to you within about a week. All government services should be so nice. http://techreports.larc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/NTRS -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR: 1835 vs. 2180 From: Steve Bennett Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 21:00:40 -0600 X-Message-Number: 16 Ross Youngblood wrote: > > Mike, > I wrote that before I saw your note. I think you could rebuild an > 1835 for under $1000, but to upgrade to 2180 would be an addtional > $1500-2000, I can't recall the prices. My writing is confusing too. > > I chatted with Steve about the 1835 vs the 2180. The 2180 is great > if you can afford it, but it is a bit more of a stretch than the 1835 > with respect to the original VW case. The 2180 requires just a bit > more TLC than the 1835, you want to check it say every 50 hours or > so when perhaps you could get by with every 100 hours on the 1835. > This is not a quote from Steve, but my rationalization for staying > with the 1835, when I couldn't find the extra $$$ for the 2180. > > -- Regards > Ross > > Micheal Mims wrote: > > > > Ross Youngblood wrote: > > > I think the 2180cc upgrade kit from Great Plains is over $1000, but you > > > get the Force-1 hub which requries machine work on your case.>>> > > > > The $1000 reference I was making was to rebuild his 1835. Building up a > > 2180 would cost much more than $1000. Maybe my writing was a little > > confusing? Nah not me! :o) > > > > -- > > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > > Micheal Mims > > SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now > > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > > Irvine Ca > > Fax 949.856.9417 > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > -- > Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 > Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 > Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 > Corvallis,Oregon mailto:rossy@saber.slb.com the 2180 upgrade runs about 1500.00 inclusive of all parts and machine work. The 2180 is the most popular engine or upgrade kit we sell. We recommend for most builders that they keep the same prop. this adds a greatly improved take off run and rate of climp. airspeed is simply a matter of advancing the throttle. steve ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Don Clarke KR2 N9296M From: Olga Saunders Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 22:25:38 -0500 X-Message-Number: 17 Would be interested, building KR-2S in Maryland. Will need powerplant soon,send me a private E-Mail. Michael Saunders At 04:37 PM 12/4/98 EST, you wrote: >1984 Soob but has been rebuilt with now 0 - SMOH. >Asking $850.00 + shipping from El Paso. . Was going to put it into my KR2 but......> >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: ods@mindspring.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Piano Hinge From: Kr2jm@aol.com Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 00:44:09 EST X-Message-Number: 18 What length, width and thickness piano hinge is used on the stock KR-2 premolded canopy frame? Also for the ailerons? Jim Morehead kr2jm@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Moving to NEW list server within 24 hours From: miketnyc@juno.com (Michael C. Taglieri) Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 02:01:57 EST X-Message-Number: 19 >With the NEW kr-net service you can now CONTROL how much email >you get every day. If you don't want ANY mail, go to the web server >and tell it that is what you want.. you can still post to KRNET as >a member. > >I have selected the "index" function for myself, kr-net will email >me a list of the daily topics on KRNET, then I can go to the kr-net >website and read only the ones I am interested in. Since so many threads change topic completely without changing the subject line, this method seems a bit risky to me. Mike Taglieri ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Test -- do not read From: miketnyc@juno.com (Michael C. Taglieri) Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 02:01:57 EST X-Message-Number: 20 On Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:08:36 -0500 "MAITRI DORJE" writes: >John Giorno sponsors TULKU THONDUP RINPOCHE >offering "Vajrasattva teachings and guided meditation for healing" >on Sunday, December 6 from 1 to 5 at 222 Bowery >(N or R train to Prince St., walk east to Bowery and south to 222 >Bowey) >There is no charge for this event. Offerings can be made directly to >Rinpoche. > >Bill Williams >Steering Committee Member >MAITRI DORJE Gay and Lesbian Buddhist Society > >e-mail: potala@bigfoot.com >web: http://www.bigfoot.com/~potala > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. 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