From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Thursday, December 17, 1998 12:05 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: December 16, 1998 KR-net users group Digest for Wednesday, December 16, 1998. 1. Re: Motivation at an all time low! 2. Test 3. Re: Motivation at an all time low! 4. =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_=C4kr-net=C5_Re=3A_Motivation_at_an_all_t?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?ime_low=21?= 5. Re: Clamps and saws 6. Re: official intro 7. Re: Motivation at an all time low! 8. Re: T-88 9. Re: Motivation at an all time low! 10. Engine thrust line 11. Re: Motivation at an all time low! 12. Re: official intro 13. Re: Motivation at an all time low! 14. Re: Motivation at an all time low! 15. Builders Logs 16. Re: Motivation at an all time low! 17. Scramble the KR's, Buddy is in trouble - was Motivation 18. Re: Motivation at an all time low! 19. Re: Scramble the KR's, Buddy is in trouble - was Motivation 20. Soob Engine 21. Un-subscribe 22. Motivation 23. 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From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 05:41:36 EST X-Message-Number: 1 In a message dated 12/16/98 2:40:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, mikemims@home.com writes: << All it would take is one last push and I would be taxi testing but that last push is eluding me at the moment. >> Hey Mike, I feel into the same rut you have after I got the engine on the front and all wired up and running. For some reason, could be I could actually picture flying the damn thing, but I feel into the big funk. Kick your butt in gear, I have after a two month layoff (I believe it happens to everyone). I'll motivate you shortly with a good progress report (any progress for me here lately in good progress:-). I haven't flown the 172, other than over to Steve Eberhart's and am planning on selling it...........................................but, remember the KR,SP is something to flat out bore holes in the sky with. Go have a beer, kick back and then kick butt. Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Test From: "Stefan den Boer" Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:29:55 +0100 X-Message-Number: 2 This is een test from Holland. Now back from a hollyday and found the chance off the E mail adres. Dutch guy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Motivation at an all time low! From: "Mark Langford" Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 06:05:56 -0000 X-Message-Number: 3 >OK netters I come to you seeking motivation! Mike, Glad you decided to lay off for a while. That'll give me a chance to catch up! But I'm right there with you. The last entry in my builder's log was in September! I have a little better excuse with the 6 week Wales trip and grueling work schedule since then. And I must confess to joining the Scirocco list a week ago and surfing the web endlessly in an effort to research the best way to upgrade my (presently 3 cylinder) 16V engine to a 2.0 liter, with peformance goodies heaped on top. At least your basement doesn't smell like carburetor cleaner and kerosene. I'll take Aeropoxy any time! The good news for my KR2S is that I've found a complete 2.0 liter 16V engine, complete with all of the Bosch Motronic fuel injection goodies and wiring harnesses. The 2.0 liter bottom end is going under my 1.8 liter head (THE hot setup), but the Motronic injection (which will be fully altitude compensating!) will be feeding the air/fuel to my Type 4 KR engine. I feel a sweet running engine in my future. I've also come up with some refinements to my shaft drive system. I haven't had a chance to do the analysis yet, but I'm confident that I'll be flying my own design now. And I've decided to test all of this on a test stand before putting it in the plane... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_=C4kr-net=C5_Re=3A_Motivation_at_an_all_t?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?ime_low=21?= From: Aimo.Paivoke@tieto.com Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:48:12 +0200 X-Message-Number: 4 Hello Kr2-builders! Just testing this message, sorry for disturbance Aimo > ---------- > From: Mark Langford[SMTP:langford@hiwaay.net] > Reply To: KR-net users group > Sent: 16. joulukuuta 1998 8:05 > To: KR-net users group > Subject: =C4kr-net=C5 Re: Motivation at an all time low! >=20 > >OK netters I come to you seeking motivation! >=20 > Mike, >=20 > Glad you decided to lay off for a while. That'll give me a chance to > catch > up! >=20 > But I'm right there with you. The last entry in my builder's log was = in > September! I have a little better excuse with the 6 week Wales trip = and > grueling work schedule since then. And I must confess to joining the > Scirocco list a week ago and surfing the web endlessly in an effort = to > research the best way to upgrade my (presently 3 cylinder) 16V engine = to a > 2.0 liter, with peformance goodies heaped on top. At least your = basement > doesn't smell like carburetor cleaner and kerosene. I'll take = Aeropoxy > any > time! >=20 > The good news for my KR2S is that I've found a complete 2.0 liter 16V > engine, complete with all of the Bosch Motronic fuel injection = goodies and > wiring harnesses. The 2.0 liter bottom end is going under my 1.8 = liter > head > (THE hot setup), but the Motronic injection (which will be fully = altitude > compensating!) will be feeding the air/fuel to my Type 4 KR engine. = I > feel > a sweet running engine in my future. I've also come up with some > refinements to my shaft drive system. I haven't had a chance to do = the > analysis yet, but I'm confident that I'll be flying my own design = now. > And > I've decided to test all of this on a test stand before putting it in = the > plane... >=20 > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: aimo.paivoke@tieto.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to = leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Clamps and saws From: "doug peyton" Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 04:50:23 PST X-Message-Number: 5 To clamp all the little gussets in place while the epoxy set, I used a tongue depressor as a spring to apply pressure to the gusset into the joint. I put one end of the depressor on the center of the gusset and the other end of the depressor was clamped to the longeron with a small spring clamp. The spring clamp may be moved along the depressor to apply more or less pressure on the gussett into the joint. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: official intro From: "doug peyton" Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 05:19:17 PST X-Message-Number: 6 Dean, I fitted my standard KR retractable gear with cowlings. When the gear in retracted, they are fully enclosed except for 3/4" of rubber. There is also a 1" gap behind each wheel and behind each main spar. Most of the cowling is attached to the bottom of the wing; the portion that is in the silloutette of the retractable wheel is attached to the landing gear. I expect the portion attached to the landing gear, which is about 7" wide, will act as landing flaps. .Has anybody ever fitted a fully >retractable main gear for the KR, I mean one that retracts entirely into >the wing ? >dene collett >denec@netactive.co.za > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Motivation at an all time low! From: Tom Crawford Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:14:13 -0800 X-Message-Number: 7 Mike Mims wrote: > > OK netters I come to you seeking motivation! I haven't worked on the Sky Pig in > over 2 months and to tell you the truth I still don't feel like working on it! > Believe it or not I have actually considered selling it! I doubt that will happen > but you never know. I cant explain it but I just flat have no desire to work on > it. Could be the cold weather, could be I don't even miss flying all that much, > could be a lot of things I guess. then again it sure would be nice to be able to > jump in the SP an fly over to visit Jeff Scott. I guess I am at a point where I am > tired of building and just want an airplane! All it would take is one last push and > I would be taxi testing but that last push is eluding me at the moment. Missing the > gathering this year didn't help matters much also the lack of discussion on the net > about completion's or at least sub completion's is de-motivating also. So builders > what have you done in the last weeks? I have played hockey and attended Lamaze > classes. :o) > > On a positive note the temps are supposed to be up in the 70s this Saturday and I am > free until 5:00pm. I will be at the hanger bright and early and I will work on > something! :o) > > -- > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > Micheal Mims > SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now > mailto:mikemims@home.com > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > Aliso Viejo Ca > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: tomc@afn.org > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com Mike, I went thru the same thing when I was nearing completion. I think subconsciously all first time builders have a bit of anxiety about going from builder to flyer. After all, we spend a great deal of time as a builder and become very comfortable with it. When you start to see that coming to an end, people who had an enjoyable building experience may not want to give it up. Good news tho, you can build another plane! Then there is the anxiety related to the first flight. Doesn't matter how many hours you have or how good of a pilot you are- you have never flown an airplane that you built yourself. Freud mode off now. My advice to you my friend, is to get a ride in someone's KR as soon as possible. I know you have been up in KR's before. How long were you pumped up afterwards? Might be just long enough for you to finish the Sky Pig. When I was building, I thought building was great. I loved it. You know what, Flyin is even better. Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL N262TC Flyin ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: T-88 From: "doug peyton" Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 06:05:44 PST X-Message-Number: 8 When I get home from work, I plug in an electric heater to get the garage warmed up for the evening's glue work. I've sealed the garage door shut for the winter with window calk so it stays pretty warm in there with an electric heater running. I shut off the heater the next morning before leaving for work. >From: "T.Flemming" >To: "KR-net users group" >Subject: [kr-net] T-88 >Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:55:19 -0600 >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" > >I am fixing to epoxy my center spar caps together. The temp range according >to T-88 is above 50 F. The temps here have been around 60 F during the >afternoon, but getting down to about 35 F at night. Does anyone have a >suggestion on how long the Temp needs to stay above 50 F before using T-88. >Does anybody think 4-5 hours would be enough. If not than, I guess i can >move the project into the house. If I move the project in doors, how long >should I allow the wood to adjust to the new enviroment. ie moisture and >temp of the house. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Motivation at an all time low! From: "Albert Pecoraro" Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:12:45 EST X-Message-Number: 9 OK netters I come to you seeking motivation! I haven't worked on the Sky Pig in over 2 months and to tell you the truth I still don't feel like working on it! ... All it would take is one last push and I would be taxi testing but that last push is eluding me at the moment... So builders what have you done in the last weeks? I have played hockey and attended Lamaze classes. :o) Mike, Speaking of one last push AND Lamaze classes! ;-) I remember reading somewhere (Sport Aviation/Nov.98?) that the last 10% of the building project requires 90% of the total effort. Don't give up now ... that "last push" is going to be needed for both your airplane as well as your new child. Naturally, I would focus on family first then the airplane. (Not that I am telling you what to do!) There's an analogy I've heard at "Motivational Seminars" about "That Extra Little Push"; I would like to share it with everyone. "... building your dream is like rolling a snowball up a hill. You start off small and start pushing up. As you push the ball it gets bigger and heavier, your course is not as straight, and sometimes you have to rest a while before you start pushing again. Sometimes, the ball rolls back down and gets destroyed, but that's ok ... just start another snowball and push it up the hill again. When you are almost at the top, when you feel this thing is going to push you back down again, when it is too heavy to move another inch, that is when you give it your all ... because when you finally get it to the top, all you need to do is give it one more small push with your finger, and watch that sucker roll!!!" Mike, I hope this helps! ;-) Good luck with everything. Albert (The Canuck in Grand Rapids, MI) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Engine thrust line From: "Alessandro Pecorara" Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:28:48 -0800 X-Message-Number: 10 Gentlemen, I should like to know where is supposed to be the engine thrust line (in the KR-2S). May someone help me? Thanks. alessandro pecorara mailto:alessandro.pecorara@telecomitalia.it ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Motivation at an all time low! From: Donald Reid Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:42:17 -0500 X-Message-Number: 11 Mike Mims wrote: > > OK netters I come to you seeking motivation! I haven't worked on the Sky Pig in > over 2 months and to tell you the truth I still don't feel like working on it! I don't have the words, motivation has never really been a problem with me. The building experience is something that reaches into my soul and gives me more satisfaction than anything else. Even when things are going slowly, I have not been frustrated or lost motivation. Is the building process a means to an end? If so, then you may have "hit the wall" like a marathon runner is said to. You either gut it out and keep on pushing or you keep on plodding along or you drop out. Mentally tired? Maybe take a break, go look at other homebuilts. Look at the rough ones and thinl to yourself "Oh man, what a piece of ... , mine is going to be so much better" or look at the perfect ones and think "I can do that well" For me, the building process stands on its own merits. I need to finish this one so that I can get on to the next. -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: official intro From: "ronald.freiberger" Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:46:05 -0500 X-Message-Number: 12 It's a very interesting reply, but hard to see how it relates to an OFFICIAL INTRO. -----Original Message----- From: bounce-kr-net-19348@telelists.com [mailto:bounce-kr-net-19348@telelists.com]On Behalf Of doug peyton Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 8:19 AM To: KR-net users group Subject: [kr-net] Re: official intro Dean, I fitted my standard KR retractable gear with cowlings. When the gear in retracted, they are fully enclosed except for 3/4" of rubber. There is also a 1" gap behind each wheel and behind each main spar. Most of the cowling is attached to the bottom of the wing; the portion that is in the silloutette of the retractable wheel is attached to the landing gear. I expect the portion attached to the landing gear, which is about 7" wide, will act as landing flaps. .Has anybody ever fitted a fully >retractable main gear for the KR, I mean one that retracts entirely into >the wing ? >dene collett >denec@netactive.co.za > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: ronald.freiberger@cwix.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Motivation at an all time low! From: "Rob Matthews" Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:39:10 +0200 X-Message-Number: 13 Hi Mike I know what you are going through as i am going through the same problem. Wife has just had a little girl and i have been pushed by friends into getting a go - kart and have started racing the thing etc. Mind is on a back burn regarding the KR2 at the moment. I think that one needs to see and fly other krs and get inspired again. Regards Rob Matthews Have A Wonderful Day South Africa ( Sunny Skies ) KR 2 - ZS - VCM -----Original Message----- From: Mike Mims To: KR-net users group Date: Wednesday, 16 December, 1998 09:38 Subject: [kr-net] Motivation at an all time low! >OK netters I come to you seeking motivation! I haven't worked on the Sky Pig in >over 2 months and to tell you the truth I still don't feel like working on it! > >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now >mailto:mikemims@home.com >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >Aliso Viejo Ca >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: mathewrz@iafrica.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Motivation at an all time low! From: Jaccoo@aol.com Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:50:38 EST X-Message-Number: 14 Mike I wish I had your problem. I've been here on the side reading the mail for about two months and this is the first time I've replied to any mail. I'm at the point of dreaming, hoping, planning, and trying to find another job so I can afford to order plans and materials to build a KR-2S. I havent even flown since 1985, when I was medically grounded by the Army. I was flying Cobras and Hueys then, although my 4400 hours is almost equally divided between fixed and rotary wing. Ever since I was grounded I have thought about flying again but never very seriously until recently when I got an opportunity to bootleg an hour of time in a Blackhawk (Army UH-60 helicopter) simulator. It was new experience for me, never had I flown a Blackhawk nor had I flown a visual simulator, but it lite a spark and gave me new motivation to get started flying again. I've always wanted to build an experimental high performance plane so picking up a Kit Plane and cruising the internet, I came upon the KR-2 and this net which also keeps me fired up. I'm 54 years old and no time to waste. I think what you need to do is to fly in a KR as soon as possible to get fired up again. You need to finish Sky Pig so you can give others a reason to move on with their projects. Who knows in a year or two I may need a ride in your plane to fan the fire again. Can anybody on the net get mike a ride in a KR or at least buss his hanger? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Builders Logs From: "Rex Ellington" Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:39:52 CST X-Message-Number: 15 G'Day Netters Time for me to catch up on paper work. What have you found to be the best approach as to a Builder's Log, in dealing with FAA and inspectors. Does it require any more than what I did, when, and time spent, supported by drawings and lots of pictures???? Rex Ellington Rex T. Ellington ellingto@gslan.offsys.ou.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Motivation at an all time low! From: msharkey@softarc.com (Mike Sharkey) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:06:58 -0500 X-Message-Number: 16 Mike, I'm not going to try and tell you what to do, but sounds to me, you may need to do a little bit of soul searching and figure out what it really is that's holding you back. I develop software products for a living, and I know that whenever a long project is drawing to a close, I often find it hard to continue motivating myself. With me, it's just a fear of transition, I get comfortable with working on a particular project for a long time, I know it in intimate details, and it's just comforting to be in control of it. The "fear" comes from looking at what happens next. The fear of my "world" destabalizing. What am I going to do now, it's the anticipation of transitioning to something new and unfamiliare that sometimes holds me back toward the end of a project. But that's me. Mike Sharkey http://www.softarc.com/~msharkey ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Scramble the KR's, Buddy is in trouble - was Motivation From: Steven Eberhart Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:06:47 -0600 (CST) X-Message-Number: 17 Scramble the KR's, a buddy is in trouble. All flying KR's within flying distance of Chino are here-by notified that a fellow KR builder (even if he calls it a Sky Pig) is in dire need of the motivation only supplied by KR fly in. We will let him rest during the Holidays but in January there definatly needs to be a KR Fly In at Mike Mimms' hanger in Chino. This Fly In is here by called the Mid Winter Motivational Fly In. Oscar, we need a special logo for the event, I don't remember who did the KRNet logo but can you coordinate that with him? Now that I have gotten the ball rolling - Mike, all you have to do is pick the dates. I will contribute the first $10 for the beer fund. Maybe a pig roast would be appropriate - the white meat kind not the spruce kind :-) Steve Eberhart On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, Mike Mims wrote: > OK netters I come to you seeking motivation! I haven't worked on the Sky Pig in > over 2 months and to tell you the truth I still don't feel like working on it! > Believe it or not I have actually considered selling it! I doubt that will happen > but you never know. I cant explain it but I just flat have no desire to work on > it. Could be the cold weather, could be I don't even miss flying all that much, > could be a lot of things I guess. then again it sure would be nice to be able to > jump in the SP an fly over to visit Jeff Scott. I guess I am at a point where I am > tired of building and just want an airplane! All it would take is one last push and > I would be taxi testing but that last push is eluding me at the moment. Missing the > gathering this year didn't help matters much also the lack of discussion on the net > about completion's or at least sub completion's is de-motivating also. So builders > what have you done in the last weeks? I have played hockey and attended Lamaze > classes. :o) > > On a positive note the temps are supposed to be up in the 70s this Saturday and I am > free until 5:00pm. I will be at the hanger bright and early and I will work on > something! :o) > > > > -- > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > Micheal Mims > SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now > mailto:mikemims@home.com > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > Aliso Viejo Ca > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Motivation at an all time low! From: "Tom Cummings" Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:19:00 -0600 X-Message-Number: 18 Motivation? Imagine if you were unable, incapable, sick or injured. Or even imagine that someone of unquestionable authority said, "You CAN'T have an airplane!" These things might make you want to finish your project more than anything. For my project and me the situation is really my fault. It was me who failed to "double check" the distributor timing on my Vw before I attempted a handprop start. Now I have to wait 6 or 8 weeks for the injury to heal. The 25 stitches didnot help at all, either. When they were removed, the incision just flopped back open as if it had never been stitched up to start with. So, now it will be the dead of the winter before I can even twist a screwdriver or grab a sanding block. Again, it was my fault. Time is being wasted and I'll be mighty glad and motivated when "I" can begin again. Don't forfeit all that good hard labor you've done on your project so far. I'm not. If I were in your shoes, I'd take a break. ( In fact, that's what I have to do). I'd remember why I like airplanes, imagine what my plane is going to fly like. So, go straighten up the shop, organize things, visit the airfield, and then you'll have a "fresh start feeling" again. When you are finished with your project you will see that it was worth it. Meanwhile, my airframe is just sitting dormant in the shop. Yeah, just sitting there! The engine is still where I left it outside on a runup teststand. Yeah, just sitting there ! And I am just sitting in the house. Yeah, just sitting there! I hope no one else is in my shoes..uh...I mean chair. When you resume your project, though, do be careful. I sure wish I could work on mine today. Motivation? Tom P.S. Did not mean to change the subject. Any comments concering injuries might be put under a new thread intitled, "Shop Safety" ---------- > From: Donald Reid > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Re: Motivation at an all time low! > Date: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 8:42 AM > > Mike Mims wrote: > > > > OK netters I come to you seeking motivation! I haven't worked on the Sky Pig in > > over 2 months and to tell you the truth I still don't feel like working on it! > > I don't have the words, motivation has never really been a problem with > me. The building experience is something that reaches into my soul and > gives me more satisfaction than anything else. Even when things are > going slowly, I have not been frustrated or lost motivation. > > Is the building process a means to an end? If so, then you may have > "hit the wall" like a marathon runner is said to. You either gut it out > and keep on pushing or you keep on plodding along or you drop out. > > Mentally tired? Maybe take a break, go look at other homebuilts. Look > at the rough ones and thinl to yourself "Oh man, what a piece of ... , > mine is going to be so much better" or look at the perfect ones and > think "I can do that well" > > For me, the building process stands on its own merits. I need to finish > this one so that I can get on to the next. > > > -- > Don Reid > Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com > KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm > Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: tomlc@communique.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Scramble the KR's, Buddy is in trouble - was Motivation From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:44:41 EST X-Message-Number: 19 In a message dated 12/16/98 2:24:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, newtech@newtech.com writes: << Mike, all you have to do is pick the dates. I will contribute the first $10 for the beer fund. >> Beer, did I hear beer..........................maybe I won't sell the 172 just yet :-) Anyway, Mike we've already got a couple of cabins rented at Lake Barkley for next years gathering, we figure you and Ross and hop the Rockies together. Dana (back at it) Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616yj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Soob Engine From: DClarke351@aol.com Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:48:53 EST X-Message-Number: 20 Have a Soob For Sale! 1984 EA 81 completely rebuilt. Needs re-drive and mount.$850.00. Write E-Mail or call 915-755-0588 (El Paso, Tex) Don Clarke ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Un-subscribe From: Brewboss@aol.com Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:11:59 EST X-Message-Number: 21 Please revove me from the KR-Net mail list....no time. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Motivation From: "Brian J. Bland" Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:12:48 -0600 X-Message-Number: 22 Mike, Get back to work on that PIG or I may have to come back out there and make you do some work on it. All you other builders please update us with any progress that you have recently made. It really does help everyone to read your progress reports. At least it makes me want to go do some work on mine. Brian J Bland Claremore, OK Mail to: bbland@gateway.net http://www.flight2000.com/hangar/KR-2S/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: ASI colour markings From: "bennett family" Date: Wed, 16 Dec 98 17:47:11 PST X-Message-Number: 23 G'day all Could someone who is flying their KR-2 tell me at what speeds on their Airspeed Indicators they have : RED=3D Vne obviously 200 mph\174 Kts + YELLOW =3D Caution ? -? GREEN =3D Normal operations ?-? WHITE =3D not required. Thanks Malcolm.G. Bennett P.S. Please mention mph or kts ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Soob Engine From: "Richard Parker" Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:21:25 PST X-Message-Number: 24 Or you can have a direct drive put on it for about $270 through Night Hawke gear reduction drives. for info call Dan Woodward in NH at 603-798-3136 here is a link that shows a direct dirve set up on a D-Fly http://www.si-inc.com/subaru/direct81.htm Rich Parker >From: DClarke351@aol.com >Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:48:53 EST >To: "KR-net users group" >Subject: [kr-net] Soob Engine >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" > >Have a Soob For Sale! 1984 EA 81 completely rebuilt. Needs re-drive and >mount.$850.00. Write E-Mail or call 915-755-0588 (El Paso, Tex) Don Clarke > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: richontheroad@hotmail.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: T-88 From: Ross Youngblood Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:32:20 -0800 X-Message-Number: 25 Trent, I know that for oak flooring they want you to keep it in the house for one week to adjust to the new environment before laying the planks. Don't know if this applies to spruce. I would buy a RADIENT heater. I purchased one of these for about $70.00 and it kept the temperature of the shop warm enough overnight to keep the curing going. For HEXEL structural adheasive, they say remove clamps in 24 hours, but doesn't develop full strength for 7 days. I would make some test blocks, cure them for 4 hours then put them in the freezer overnight. If you really want a good case, put them in the freezer overnight for 5 nights, then let them cure another 10 days in the shop then see if they hold up. T.Flemming wrote: > I am fixing to epoxy my center spar caps together. The temp range according > to T-88 is above 50 F. The temps here have been around 60 F during the > afternoon, but getting down to about 35 F at night. Does anyone have a > suggestion on how long the Temp needs to stay above 50 F before using T-88. > Does anybody think 4-5 hours would be enough. If not than, I guess i can > move the project into the house. If I move the project in doors, how long > should I allow the wood to adjust to the new enviroment. ie moisture and > temp of the house. Thanks for your response. > > Regards, > > Trent Flemming > mailto:tflemming@texramp.net > www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hall/9098 > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@saber.slb.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com -- Ross Youngblood Staff Technical Specialist Schlumberger SABER Snail Mail: 1109 NE Burke Pl Corvallis Oregon email: rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Voicemail (800)538-6838 x1632 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Motivation at an all time low! From: Ross Youngblood Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:42:21 -0800 X-Message-Number: 26 Mike, Hang in there, keep the faith! You have been working feverishly for the last several months and I was amazed at your rate of progress. I thought you would be finished much sooner than I would and I have been trying to taxi around for about a year now. First off, I find that playing computer games is a major time sink, and is a major reason why I don't have much progress to show for my time. Recently I decided to work on my IFR rating, so I ran out and bought a new Flight Sim 98 CD as my Flight Sim 95 CD was toasted and I had deleted it. I find that I am a really crappy simulator pilot, but it has improved my scan. I've gotten side tracked now working on my S10 pickup, pulling the engine, and rebuilding it so I can afford to perhaps buy a C-177 later in '99 if I save my pennies. However, I did get some help in safety wiring my project with the Tech counsleor this month. Maybe we can build a KR motivation group to just pick one thing per week and post our progress on that one item. For example... I've got to paint my header tank, and re-install it so I can measure for my canopy latch sill, so that I can complete my latch installation, so I can taxi without the canopy flying off... On the other hand, duct tape was suggested as an alternative for a quick taxi run. If I think of anything I will let you know... I'm moving my project into a group hangar here at CVO to help my motivation.... it gets tougher as things start having to fit together. I spent two years with my project just sitting in the garage.. but at least now it looks like an airplane.... don't give up! -- Regards Ross Mike Mims wrote: > OK netters I come to you seeking motivation! I haven't worked on the Sky Pig in > over 2 months and to tell you the truth I still don't feel like working on it! > Believe it or not I have actually considered selling it! I doubt that will happen > but you never know. I cant explain it but I just flat have no desire to work on > it. Could be the cold weather, could be I don't even miss flying all that much, > could be a lot of things I guess. then again it sure would be nice to be able to > jump in the SP an fly over to visit Jeff Scott. I guess I am at a point where I am > tired of building and just want an airplane! All it would take is one last push and > I would be taxi testing but that last push is eluding me at the moment. Missing the > gathering this year didn't help matters much also the lack of discussion on the net > about completion's or at least sub completion's is de-motivating also. So builders > what have you done in the last weeks? I have played hockey and attended Lamaze > classes. :o) > > On a positive note the temps are supposed to be up in the 70s this Saturday and I am > free until 5:00pm. I will be at the hanger bright and early and I will work on > something! :o) > > -- > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > Micheal Mims > SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now > mailto:mikemims@home.com > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > Aliso Viejo Ca > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@saber.slb.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com -- Ross Youngblood Staff Technical Specialist Schlumberger SABER Snail Mail: 1109 NE Burke Pl Corvallis Oregon email: rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Voicemail (800)538-6838 x1632 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Builders Logs From: Ross Youngblood Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:03:41 -0800 X-Message-Number: 27 Rex Ellington wrote: > G'Day Netters > > Time for me to catch up on paper work. > > What have you found to be the best approach as to a > Builder's Log, in dealing with FAA and inspectors. > I have heard a range of tales on this. One gentleman borrowed someone elsesphotographs to make an album at the last minute. Seems that if you are really prepared, you will not need much, but if you are not prepared, you will find you need somthing. I think it varies by the DAR. Also... locally I am hearing that the FAA guidelines for a test flight area have been changed/tightened up to be a 25NM radius from your home base. This was confirmed by a couple of local EAA ers. Has this cropped up elsewhere? Seems the interpertation guidlines for DAR's are spelling this out, can someone confirm this? Just curious. -- Regards Ross > Does it require any more than what I did, when, and time spent, > supported by drawings and lots of pictures???? > > Rex Ellington > Rex T. Ellington > ellingto@gslan.offsys.ou.edu > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@saber.slb.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com -- Ross Youngblood Staff Technical Specialist Schlumberger SABER Snail Mail: 1109 NE Burke Pl Corvallis Oregon email: rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Voicemail (800)538-6838 x1632 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Motivation at an all time low! From: HAshraf@aol.com Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 20:36:43 EST X-Message-Number: 28 In a message dated 98-12-16 02:56:32 EST, you write: << On a positive note the temps are supposed to be up in the 70s this Saturday and I am free until 5:00pm. I will be at the hanger bright and early and I will work on something! :o) >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Scramble the KR's, Buddy is in trouble - was Motivation From: Ross Youngblood Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:05:29 -0800 X-Message-Number: 29 Mike, Say... I'm driving down to Stockton CA enroute to Phoenix on the 27th of December, if you happen to be in your hangar, and I happen to drop by, how would I find you to honk and disturb your work? -- Ross Steven Eberhart wrote: > Scramble the KR's, a buddy is in trouble. All flying KR's within flying > distance of Chino are here-by notified that a fellow KR builder (even > if he calls it a Sky Pig) is in dire need of the motivation only supplied > by KR fly in. We will let him rest during the Holidays but in January > there definatly needs to be a KR Fly In at Mike Mimms' hanger in Chino. > This Fly In is here by called the Mid Winter Motivational Fly In. Oscar, > we need a special logo for the event, I don't remember who did the > KRNet logo but can you coordinate that with him? Now that I have gotten > the ball rolling - Mike, all you have to do is pick the dates. I will > contribute the first $10 for the beer fund. Maybe a pig roast would be > appropriate - the white meat kind not the spruce kind :-) > > Steve Eberhart > > On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, Mike Mims wrote: > > > OK netters I come to you seeking motivation! I haven't worked on the Sky Pig in > > over 2 months and to tell you the truth I still don't feel like working on it! > > Believe it or not I have actually considered selling it! I doubt that will happen > > but you never know. I cant explain it but I just flat have no desire to work on > > it. Could be the cold weather, could be I don't even miss flying all that much, > > could be a lot of things I guess. then again it sure would be nice to be able to > > jump in the SP an fly over to visit Jeff Scott. I guess I am at a point where I am > > tired of building and just want an airplane! All it would take is one last push and > > I would be taxi testing but that last push is eluding me at the moment. Missing the > > gathering this year didn't help matters much also the lack of discussion on the net > > about completion's or at least sub completion's is de-motivating also. So builders > > what have you done in the last weeks? I have played hockey and attended Lamaze > > classes. :o) > > > > On a positive note the temps are supposed to be up in the 70s this Saturday and I am > > free until 5:00pm. I will be at the hanger bright and early and I will work on > > something! :o) > > > > > > > > -- > > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > > Micheal Mims > > SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now > > mailto:mikemims@home.com > > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > > Aliso Viejo Ca > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@saber.slb.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com -- Ross Youngblood Staff Technical Specialist Schlumberger SABER Snail Mail: 1109 NE Burke Pl Corvallis Oregon email: rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Voicemail (800)538-6838 x1632 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Scramble the KR's, Buddy is in trouble - was Motivation From: Ross Youngblood Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:08:25 -0800 X-Message-Number: 30 Mike, We've got to band together if we are going to do the formation buzz of the field at the '99 gathering! I will have to dedicate one day a week to going out and doing ... somthing! -- Ross KR2616TJ@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/16/98 2:24:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, > newtech@newtech.com writes: > > << Mike, all you have to do is pick the dates. I will > contribute the first $10 for the beer fund. >> > > Beer, did I hear beer..........................maybe I won't sell the 172 just > yet :-) > > Anyway, Mike we've already got a couple of cabins rented at Lake Barkley for > next years gathering, we figure you and Ross and hop the Rockies together. > > Dana (back at it) Overall > Richmond, KY > mailto:kr2616yj@aol.com > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@saber.slb.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com -- Ross Youngblood Staff Technical Specialist Schlumberger SABER Snail Mail: 1109 NE Burke Pl Corvallis Oregon email: rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Voicemail (800)538-6838 x1632 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Engine thrust line From: Mike Mims Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:38:37 -0800 X-Message-Number: 31 Alessandro Pecorara wrote: > <<< I should like to know where is supposed to be the engine thrust line (in the > KR-2S). May someone help me?>>>> I think the lack of responses to your post is a clue. I don't recall the plans establishing a thrust line. I think they count on you buying a cowling and mounting the engine to fit. I think my thrust line ended up an inch or two below the bottom of the upper motor mount rail. This is a useless measurement for you though as I am not using a VW. Someone out there with a VW go check and see where your thrust line falls in reference to the firewall will ya? -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Motivation at an all time low! From: MARVIN MCCOY Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 19:17:40 -0800 X-Message-Number: 32 Mike Mims wrote: > > OK netters I come to you seeking motivation! ------------------ Mike: Take this for what it's worth. I think you are going through some major changes in your life. Any time you do that it raises heck with your current interests and time allocations. If your interests are moving toward kids and family it may be even more difficult to continue once you have a new baby in the house. What ever you do I would not sell the Pig. You got flying in your blood and sooner or later you will want to return to the Pig. I just hope for the sake of the rest of us that you continue on and finish the Pig sooner and not later. We have all been leaning on you a lot for our own motivation. You have made a lot of progress, I hope you continue. Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field --------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: TORQUE FIGURES From: "bennett family" Date: Thu, 17 Dec 98 10:59:50 PST X-Message-Number: 33 G'day Torque nuts. Here it is the , the figures that you wanted. These figures are based = on AeroPower engines manufactured in Perth, in the state of Western Aus= tralia. Please note figures were obtained with the throttle wide open in Standard= conditions. 1835 = 2100 RPM BHP FT\lbs torque RPM BHP Ft\lb Torque 2000 40 95 2000 108 2500 48 98 2500 56 117 3000 57 100 3000 70.5 120.5 3500 65.5 98.5 3500 76.5 115 Well, I hope these figures are useful to all that wanted them. Regards Malcolm Bennett. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Builders Logs From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 20:10:17 -0700 X-Message-Number: 34 I faithfully wrote in my builders log as I went to bed every night. Upon inspection, they DAR didn't even peek at either the builders log or the photo album. He listened for me to mention the magic 51% statement, gave the plane a decent inspection, spent a fair amount of time reviewing FAA paperwork with me, then split with $$ in hand. Of course the details are up to every individual DAR, but I have never heard of anyone getting hung up over the lack of builders logs or building documentation. Their prime concern is with the required papaerwork you'll get from your local FSDO or GADO office. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm On Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:39:52 CST "Rex Ellington" writes: >G'Day Netters > >Time for me to catch up on paper work. > >What have you found to be the best approach as to a >Builder's Log, in dealing with FAA and inspectors. > >Does it require any more than what I did, when, and time spent, >supported by drawings and lots of pictures???? > >Rex Ellington >Rex T. Ellington >ellingto@gslan.offsys.ou.edu > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jscott.pilot@juno.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Builders Logs/Test Flight Areas From: Robert Covington Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:57:21 -0700 (MST) X-Message-Number: 35 >Also... locally I am hearing that the FAA guidelines for a test flight >area >have been changed/tightened up to be a 25NM radius from your home base. >This was confirmed by a couple of local EAA ers. Has this cropped up >elsewhere? > >Seems the interpertation guidlines for DAR's are spelling this out, can >someone >confirm this? Just curious. > >-- Regards > Ross > This has become a big problem for the DAR in my EAA Chapter who does the Chino, Cable,and Brackett airport areas. Somebody new took over a post at the Riverside FSDO, and he doesn't like small planes all that much. So what used to take a few days now takes up to 3 weeks just to get clearance for a small corridor of test zone to pass through to a larger one. Things are a lot more restrictive as regards test flying, at the moment. Robert Covington ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Sims and IFR flight From: Mike Mims Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:38:34 -0800 X-Message-Number: 36 Ross Youngblood wrote: > <<<< Sim 98 CD as my Flight Sim 95 CD was toasted and I had deleted it. I find that I am a > really crappy simulator pilot, but > it has improved my scan.>>>>>> If you want a GREAT (what I consider great) piece of advice on using IFR sims here it is. Always use the autopilot feature and just fly the approach using the heading bug. The only thing a sim is good for is developing the capability for doing the math and developing a good situation awareness (where's the airport? where's the beacon? where's the VOR? where am I?). That PC sim (or any sim for that matter short of a full motion Boeing model) is not gona teach you beans for flying, control or even developing your scan. Use it to crunch the numbers! Fly the entire approach with the autopilot on so you can sit back and watch what its supposed to look like rather than fight the PC for control of the airplane. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Motivation at an all time low! From: Mike Mims Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:45:01 -0800 X-Message-Number: 37 First off a BIG thanks to everyone who responded on and off net. Some of you are just toooo darn kind! Kind-a weird! No just kidding! :o) Anyway the words of inspiration have been wonderful and yes there is a lot on the plate here at Fort Mims. I am almost 100% sure (you like that?) that once the weather warms up a bit and I can do some glassing and filling I will get back into the swing of things. I have a trip to Alaska coming up on Christmas day. I will be going home for a week to see family but upon my return the sawdust (Superfil dust) cloud will once again rise over the Mims airplane factory. That's kinda of an old joke amongst us old KRnetters, actually it goes back to the days when we were on AOL. Remember that Randy? Anyway thanks again and not to worry the Sky Pig is not for sale and I am sure it will find its way to Kentucky. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Turbocharging article From: BSHADR@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 01:43:52 EST X-Message-Number: 38 NetHeads: I recall seeing the article Dan D wrote on flying his turbocharged VW a number of years ago. I would like to locate a copy. Does anybody have it posted on a website? Thanks, Randy Stein Soviet Monica, CA BSHADR@aol.com --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com