From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Friday, January 08, 1999 12:10 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: January 07, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Thursday, January 07, 1999. 1. Re: life insurance 2. Re: spinal crush 3. Re: Plywood finish 4. KR derivatives 5. Re: LangfordKosh V 6. Re: Fuel Tanks 7. RE: virus 8. Re: LangfordKosh V 9. Re: sight gauge 10. Celotex 11. Re: cont 0-200 engine 12. Seat belt anchors 13. Re: KR gathering/Chino Kosh 14. All those 'Koshes!!! ;-) 15. Re: Plywood finish 16. Re: Chute poll for flyers was(Personal Parachutes,,,) 17. South African projects 18. Re: All those 'Koshes!!! ;-) 19. Fwd: efis 2000 20. KRNet Etiquette - Updated for '99 21. Re: All those 'Koshes!!! ;-) 22. Re: Chute poll for flyers was(Personal Parachutes,,,) 23. Re: Mims SOOB comments 24. Re: Two New Toys 25. Re: Mims SOOB comments 26. Under Coat 27. Re: Fuel Tanks 28. new guy 29. Re: Fuel Tanks 30. Re: Fuel Tanks 31. Re: spinal crush 32. Re: Seat belt anchors 33. Re: spinal crush 34. Re: new guy 35. Re: Fuel Tanks 36. Re: new guy 37. Re: Fuel Tanks 38. Header to Wing Fuel Tank Pump auto controls 39. RE: South African projects 40. Re: Fuel Tanks 41. Fuel Tanks 42. Thermal Questions 43. Re: Header to Wing Fuel Tank Pump auto controls 44. Re: KR gathering/Chino Kosh 45. Re: KR gathering/Chino Kosh 46. Re: Celotex ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: life insurance From: Jaccoo@aol.com Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 05:07:54 EST X-Message-Number: 1 I believe most life insurance companies have aviation riders you can purchase along with the policy which when in force will cover you in any aviation mishap. I used to have an aviation and military rider on my policy. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: spinal crush From: Jaccoo@aol.com Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 05:27:52 EST X-Message-Number: 2 Dana Can you explain what a langfordkosh is. Some of new to the net may not understand without a little explination. Thanks. Jack ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Plywood finish From: "Alessandro Pecorara" Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 12:13:09 -0800 X-Message-Number: 3 Michael C. Taglieri wrote: > <<< Now I find the KR's wings might be made to fold too. This isn't > >easy.>>> > > The Sonerai has folding wings because the original designer intended it > that way. There is an interesting Swiss design, derived from the KR-2, featuring NACA 747A415 airfoil, larger flaps, retractable gear, and external wings removable in one minute and 20 seconds (so i've been told...).It's named Cherry BX-2, quite popular also in some European countries. Plans are supplied by BX Aviation, Mab Brandli, Hoheweg 2, CH-2553, Safnern, Switzerland. Regards alessandro pecorara mailto:alessandro.pecorara@telecomitalia.it ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KR derivatives From: "Mark Langford" Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 06:12:06 -0000 X-Message-Number: 4 Alessandro Pecorara wrote: >There is an interesting Swiss design, derived from the KR-2, featuring NACA 747A415 >airfoil, larger flaps, retractable gear, and external wings removable in one minute >and 20 seconds (so i've been told...). New airfoil, larger flaps? I'm likin' this already. But I have devised an emergency plan to shed my wings in under a second. One-shot retracts are a possibility as well! Hey gimme a break. I haven't wasted any bandwidth in months. Well I suppose that could be a matter of opinion. I'm almost done with the new killer Scirocco 16V engine, so I'll be back on the KR job by next weekend! Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: LangfordKosh V From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 07:40:40 EST X-Message-Number: 5 In a message dated 1/7/99 5:28:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, Jaccoo@aol.com writes: << Dana Can you explain what a langfordkosh is. Some of new to the net may not understand without a little explination. Thanks. Jack >> Well, in light of the fact that the location of the annual KR Gathering, delights some people and flat out pis#es some people off, we started having some "local" get togethers. As Haris just posted, last year the left coasters had a little get together at Mike's hangar and called it ChinoKosh. Of course that was just because we had a little chili eating, beer drinking get together at Mark Langford's............and appropriately named it LangfordKosh (I think it was IV). See they stole our name. In addition to this we had a little "east coast get together" (some people didn't think this was really the "east coast") in Columbia, TN during the late summer. The good thing about these get togethers is it a perfect was to exchange ideas in a low key, no big deal kind of get together. Unlike the annual gathering, of which I have already spent considerable time. Langford Manor, in Huntsville, seems right because there are several KRs in the area with several builders within 5-6 drivings distance..................plus his wife makes great chili. The deal with Columbia, TN was that is where Troy Pettaway lives. His KR has been featured in Sport Aviation. He is doing some major modifications to his KR, including the new wing and other upgrades that should be just as impressive, and easy for current builders to include in their construction. Hey, who picked the date for LangfordKosh last year, you ready to tell Mark when it will be............................................Mark, you don't mind................do ya......... Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Fuel Tanks From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 07:46:37 EST X-Message-Number: 6 In a message dated 1/6/99 10:43:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, NFCKR3@aol.com writes: << I, in fact I was told that the easiest fix would be to put spacers behind the mount and move the engine forward. Skip Carden >> Skip, you will notice on my web page that I have put two, one inch spacers between the accessory case and the engine mount. This was done to do just what you have mentioned, but it still will not address the problem of fuel burnoff in the header tank, especially with a passenger on board. The wing tank theory should lessen the effect of this burnoff. Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: virus From: "Steven Welebny" Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 09:02:11 -0500 X-Message-Number: 7 So what you are saying is that the Budweiser Frogs are somehow going to attach themselves to my 'computer components' and render them useless? How exactly are the frogs going to do that? I remember a few years back when the Budweiser Clydesdales got into my computer. What a mess. Drink Bass. Steve Welebny Avonlea Farm NH ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: LangfordKosh V From: "Mark Langford" Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:11:26 -0000 X-Message-Number: 8 Dana Overall wrote: >Hey, who picked the date for LangfordKosh last year, you ready to tell Mark >when it will be All I ask is that we wait long enough for the power to come back on and the ice and snow melts first Truthfully though, I do need to get the KR flipped right side up first, or it'll be a pretty boring get-together. I plan to do some fairing work between the stub wings and fuselage on the bottom, and will attempt to finish up the bottom of the plane so it won't have to be flipped again, considering I'm about to do wings and engine... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: sight gauge From: Jonpegr1@aol.com Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:27:30 EST X-Message-Number: 9 Hi netters, Is a sight gauge necessary (IAW drawing no. 70 pg. 83 of Jan, 90 plans)? Does it serve a purpose, other than the obvious? Are "store bought" gauges being used? One more. I'm using Safe-t-poxy for fuel application, is it necessary to use a "special" flox, other than basic cotton flox fibers? Thanks all, jonpegr1@aol.com charleston sc. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Celotex From: "Tom Rehl" Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 10:08:37 -0600 X-Message-Number: 10 Has anyone used anything other than Last-o-foam for the construction of = wing ribs? How thick are they generally? Has anyone ever used any of the = foam sheathing for use in insulating houses? There's a few different = varieties of Celotex that have a consistancy that would sand well and cut = easily without "chunking up" that is rather stiff. It comes in 4'x8' = sheets that are 3/4" thick and sells for about $3 per sheet. I think it's = Polyurethane, I'll have to look next time, but I could very well be = barking up the wrong tree. It seems to be a good core material. I've = worked on an RV6 and a few others, I haven't played with composites, but = I'm very interested. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: cont 0-200 engine From: "Rod Kelso" Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:03:31 -0700 X-Message-Number: 11 Hi, Im still looking for an 0-200 engine mount, but have heard that if you use the RR 0-200 mount you cant use a electric starter. Also using the RR 0-200 engine mount it will put the engine ahead about 2", is this correct? Since I will not be using the header tank, but using wing tanks what effect will this have on the CG, etc. Thanks for anyhelp. Rod Kelso ---------- > From: Mike Mims > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Re: cont 0-200 engine > Date: Thursday, January 07, 1999 12:23 AM > > > > > << a 0-200 engine? >>> > > If you don't find a use mount I think you can have one made for around $200 > here in California. > > > > > > -- > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > Micheal Mims > SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now > mailto:mikemims@home.com > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > Aliso Viejo Ca > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rbk@orci.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Seat belt anchors From: Ron Freiberger Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 12:28:02 -0500 X-Message-Number: 12 An overlooked ( my opinion) way to get a grip for seatbelts is the tailwheel attach point, which is sturdy and unusually well located structurally. Then, 3/16 cable forward as needed. We put a reinforcing plate in the rudder hige line of a freinds "Jeanie's Teenie" which also had no good harness attach. He obliged our test program by crashing is a wooded area, destroying the airplane and crushing the tail cone a bit. He camo out of the plane somewhat pissed but very alive. Ron Freiberger .... warm in Fort Myers aka Indiana escapee ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR gathering/Chino Kosh From: Gordon Brimhall Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 06:49:40 -0800 X-Message-Number: 13 Does Corona/Chino the same airport? Some Fly-In for Pietenpols and others are scheduled April 24th weekend of. That is to be at Corona Airport. Sure like to get all my special planes in the same place. Gordon HAshraf@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/6/99 3:57:51 AM Pacific Standard Time, KR2616TJ@aol.com > writes: > > << Remember.........................Lake Barkley State Resort Park, say it > three > times with me now :-). > >> > > Lake Barkley State Resort Park > Lake Barkley State Resort Park > Lake Barkley State Resort Park > > There you have it Dana:-) > > Unfortunately it is still too far for me or Mike to go so I am suggesting > another Chino Kosh in April/May time frame for us West Coasters. Mike is > hoping to start taxing and hopefully my plane will be further along. > > Haris > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: snakeskin@surfree.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: All those 'Koshes!!! ;-) From: "Albert Pecoraro" Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 15:00:52 EST X-Message-Number: 14 Dana, I think you forgot to explain where the term 'Kosh' figures into all of this. For you newbies ... Oshkosh, WI is the location of the annual EAA (Experimental Aircraft Association) Fly-In. The play on words is thus: A local Fly-In held at Mark Langford's would be called 'LangfordKosh'; the one at Mike Mims in Chino, CA would be called 'ChinoKosh', etc. If it were held in Omaha, NE it would be called "Omigosh!" (I know, bad joke, but I couldn't resist! ... sorry for the tasteless spam!) ;-) Albert P.S.- And there is no pun intended when I say "tasteless spam"! ;-) ----Original Message Follows---- From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 07:40:40 EST To: "KR-net users group" Subject: [kr-net] Re: LangfordKosh V Reply-To: "KR-net users group" In a message dated 1/7/99 5:28:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, Jaccoo@aol.com writes: << Dana Can you explain what a langfordkosh is. Some of new to the net may not understand without a little explination. Thanks. Jack >> Well, in light of the fact that the location of the annual KR Gathering, delights some people and flat out pis#es some people off, we started having some "local" get togethers. As Haris just posted, last year the left coasters had a little get together at Mike's hangar and called it ChinoKosh. Of course that was just because we had a little chili eating, beer drinking get together at Mark Langford's............and appropriately named it LangfordKosh (I think it was IV). See they stole our name. In addition to this we had a little "east coast get together" (some people didn't think this was really the "east coast") in Columbia, TN during the late summer. The good thing about these get togethers is it a perfect was to exchange ideas in a low key, no big deal kind of get together. Unlike the annual gathering, of which I have already spent considerable time. Langford Manor, in Huntsville, seems right because there are several KRs in the area with several builders within 5-6 drivings distance..................plus his wife makes great chili. The deal with Columbia, TN was that is where Troy Pettaway lives. His KR has been featured in Sport Aviation. He is doing some major modifications to his KR, including the new wing and other upgrades that should be just as impressive, and easy for current builders to include in their construction. Hey, who picked the date for LangfordKosh last year, you ready to tell Mark when it will be............................................Mark, you don't mind................do ya......... Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: apec97@hotmail.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Plywood finish From: JKM001@aol.com Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:01:24 EST X-Message-Number: 15 Mike, I can never tell if you are sarcastic with your remarks or sincere or perhaps sincerely sarcastic. I am just looking for the best way to do something and I turn to this great group of guys for help, but there is always one or two who have to show themselves. Keith ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Chute poll for flyers was(Personal Parachutes,,,) From: AeroManx@aol.com Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:43:28 EST X-Message-Number: 16 Rules for exiting airplanes via parachute 1. never jump out of a perfectly good airplane 2. any airplane which is capable of making a good landing is a good airplane 3. a good landing is any landing you can walk away from 4. a great landing is any landing which you can walk away from and immediately reuse the airplane 5. when faced with the inevitable decission to bail out or stay with the airplane and die, think twice and then stay with the airplane 6. if you land the airplane you are called a hero. 7. if you die you are called a martyr 8. if you bail out you are called a chicken 9. if there is any questions always refer to rule 1 Steve Majercik, Ph.D. Callsign "Manx" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: South African projects From: Kobus de Wet Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 22:53:30 +0200 X-Message-Number: 17 Will all the South African guys on the krnet please forward their project information to me at jfdewet@intekom.co.za Thanks guys. Kobus De Wet Cape Town South Africa GMT+2:00 http://home.intekom.com/kobusdw ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: All those 'Koshes!!! ;-) From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 16:32:59 EST X-Message-Number: 18 In a message dated 1/7/99 3:33:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, apec97@hotmail.com writes: << The play on words is thus: A local Fly-In held at Mark Langford's would be called 'LangfordKosh'; the one at Mike Mims in Chino, CA would be called 'ChinoKosh', etc. If it were held in Omaha, NE it would be called "Omigosh!" (I know, bad joke, but I couldn't resist! ... sorry for the tasteless spam!) ;-) Albert >> I know, a waste of bandwidth but that was a good one. You did forget PerryKosh the last two years though. Dana ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Fwd: efis 2000 From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 16:36:58 EST X-Message-Number: 19 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_915745019_boundary Content-ID: <0_915745019@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I checked on the efis system........................it's seems a little pricey for a KR :-). << The system is a turn-key package that includes everything except the engine sensors. A two-screen EFIS-1000 lists for $33K and a single-screen EFIS-1000 is targeted at under $7K. Gordon Pratt Sierra Flight Systems LLC >> Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ --part0_915745019_boundary Content-ID: <0_915745019@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: InteracSol@aol.com Return-path: To: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: efis 2000 Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:55:51 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/7/99 5:54:40 AM Mountain Standard Time, KR2 616TJ writes: << What are the system requirements and expected costs for the complete package. >> The system is a turn-key package that includes everything except the engine sensors. A two-screen EFIS-1000 lists for $33K and a single-screen EFIS-1000 is targeted at under $7K. Gordon Pratt Sierra Flight Systems LLC --part0_915745019_boundary-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KRNet Etiquette - Updated for '99 From: EagleGator@aol.com Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 17:11:37 EST X-Message-Number: 20 Dana Overall wrote: >I'm sure the EagleGator will don his uniform and night stick to beat some >sense into us. Hmmm.... I don't know about beating it into people, but here are a few suggestions for you to consider/delete, as you please. I've added/modified a few things this time. Rules I use to "KRNet" by, updated for 1999: 1. "Me too" doesn't add value to the thread. If I don't have more than one sentence to post, I don't post, unless I'm giving a short answer to a KR- related question. 2. Humor is great, but don't overdo it. Humor usually leads to a bunch of "me too" type posts. 3. ALWAYS include a part of the post that I am replying to so that everyone else knows what I am talking about. NEVER include the entire text of a long post with my reply, just enough of it to put my comments in context. 4. Don't whine on the list. Just like everything else, this is a slice of America (actually the world!), and we are all different types of people. If I am offended by something someone says, I'll take it up with them privately. KRNet is not a political forum. 5. Judicious use of the "delete" key on email with subjects I'm not interested in, or from people who tend to aggravate me, will save me time and frustration. 6. It's OK to occasionally post an off-topic question, just be sure to ask people to respond privately. 7. Always include my "tag" line so that people know who and where I am, as well as how to reach me for more details on my ideas. The tag line should include my name, email address, location, and status of my project (dreaming, 35% complete, flying, etc.). 8. Put my comments in context with my information source/experience base - "I built mine this way...", "Based on my experience, I'd do it this way...", "I read this somewhere...", "My opinion is...". This is especially helpful to new people on the list who don't know any of us from Adam. 9. Never answer a post immediately if it has pissed me off. Think about it for a while, and then respond or let it drop. Better yet, take it up with the writer privately. 10. Thick skin is a virtue -- grow some and don't take things too personally, or seriously. I don't have all the right answers, and neither does anyone else. The world will not end if I can't convince everyone to agree with me, or if I don't agree with someone's opinion or how he stated it. 11. Remember that we are here to help each other, and anything that we post that doesn't further that pursuit is wasted bandwidth. You need to know that these are lessons/practices I have learned the hard way. If it appears that I'm pointing a finger at any one individual, remember that when you point at someone you have three fingers pointed back at yourself ... we've all been there. Cheers, Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles MO N415RJ 35% complete ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: All those 'Koshes!!! ;-) From: CruzJ12@aol.com Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 17:24:38 EST X-Message-Number: 21 hey! spam taste great when your hungry ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Chute poll for flyers was(Personal Parachutes,,,) From: Jaccoo@aol.com Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 17:32:39 EST X-Message-Number: 22 Steve There is no such thing as a perfectly good airplane. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Mims SOOB comments From: "WARRON GRAY" Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 18:00:23 -0500 X-Message-Number: 23 Good God Mike! you're scarring me> Warron -----Original Message----- From: Mike Mims To: KR-net users group Date: Thursday, January 07, 1999 1:54 AM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Mims SOOB comments >> >power to weigh ratio is perfect, the RPM at which it develops its HP (especially @ >10k feet!) is perfect and without a doubt some of the fastest KR2Ss will be >powered by Direct Drive Turbocharged Subarus (I am not pulling your leg here I >honestly believe this). > > >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now >mailto:mikemims@home.com >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >Aliso Viejo Ca >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: warronflys@worldnet.att.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Two New Toys From: miketnyc@juno.com (Michael C. Taglieri) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 19:22:24 EST X-Message-Number: 24 >First, remember all of those discussions about the Japanese Pull Saws? > I >found something similar, maybe better. Wandering around the local >hardware >store (one of my favorite activities) I found a Stanley saw that uses >regular hacksaw blades or several other kinds of blades. You put the >hacksaw blade in "backwards" so it cuts on the pull stroke. I tried >it the >other way, but the blade isn't stiff enough. I still had to try, ya >know? You mean to cut wood with hacksaw blades, or metal? In any case, if you wanted a pull-type hacksaw, why couldn't you just put the blade in backwards on a regular saw, or am I missing something here? Mike Taglieri ------------------------------------------------------- "May your life be full of lawyers" -- Mexican curse ------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Mims SOOB comments From: "Richard Parker" Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 16:49:49 PST X-Message-Number: 25 >>power to weigh ratio is perfect, the RPM at which it develops its HP >(especially @10k feet!) is perfect and without a doubt some of the >fastest KR2Ss will be powered by Direct Drive Turbocharged Subarus >(I am not pulling your leg here I honestly believe this). I finally did something right! I cant wait to fly it around the neighborhood. Anyone have the plans for the Soob motor mount? I want to get started on it while I'm waiting for the call to pick up my engine. Rich Parker richontheroad@hotmail.com http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm Jaffrey, NH ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Under Coat From: JKM001@aol.com Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 20:43:23 EST X-Message-Number: 26 Once again I will ask for help. Is there anything I can use on to pof plywood skins other than fabric or resin that will give me a nice under coat before priming and painting? Keep in mind the under coat will serve as strength and astetic reasons. Regards Keith ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Fuel Tanks From: Douglas Dorfmeier Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 17:20:19 -0800 X-Message-Number: 27 Mike Mims wrote: > > "Michael C. Taglieri" wrote: > > > If there's going to be no header tank at all, how were you planning to > > get the fuel to the engine? Gravity is very reliable; other methods may > > be less so. > > > > I agree with Mike on this one, gravity can be your friend! What I like > about the header tank is simplicity, what I don't like is shifting CG with > fuel burn. > > On the other hand I like wing tanks because they are easily mounted on the > CG. Things I don't like about wing tanks is their complexity and I have > heard if you get the weight to far out on the wing (keep your tanks in the > stub wing if you can) the roll control of the aircraft can get weird. There > is a KR2 flyer on our field who has 15 gallons or so in each wing located > about mid point on the outer wings and if the fuel level gets uneven by as > little as 5 gallons he doesn't like it. > > All this being said take a guess on what I have? BOTH! I have a 17 gallon > header tank and 6 gallons in each stub wing. This is what happens when you > cant figure out what you want. :o) > > By the way, my fuel delivery to the engine is gravity feed from the header > tank. The two tanks in the stubs are aux tanks that will refill the header > in flight via a facet type fuel pump. > > Anyone else notice you can only post a max of 5 messages a day on this new > server? That's kinda brutal on us big mouths! Although some of you guys > probably don't mind eh? :o) > > -- > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > Micheal Mims > SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now > mailto:mikemims@home.com > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > Aliso Viejo Ca > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: doug.dorfmeier@worldnet.att.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com Mike Mims wrote: > > "Michael C. Taglieri" wrote: > > > If there's going to be no header tank at all, how were you planning to > > get the fuel to the engine? Gravity is very reliable; other methods may > > be less so. > > > > I agree with Mike on this one, gravity can be your friend! What I like > about the header tank is simplicity, what I don't like is shifting CG with > fuel burn. > > On the other hand I like wing tanks because they are easily mounted on the > CG. Things I don't like about wing tanks is their complexity and I have > heard if you get the weight to far out on the wing (keep your tanks in the > stub wing if you can) the roll control of the aircraft can get weird. There > is a KR2 flyer on our field who has 15 gallons or so in each wing located > about mid point on the outer wings and if the fuel level gets uneven by as > little as 5 gallons he doesn't like it. > > All this being said take a guess on what I have? BOTH! I have a 17 gallon > header tank and 6 gallons in each stub wing. This is what happens when you > cant figure out what you want. :o) > > By the way, my fuel delivery to the engine is gravity feed from the header > tank. The two tanks in the stubs are aux tanks that will refill the header > in flight via a facet type fuel pump. > > Anyone else notice you can only post a max of 5 messages a day on this new > server? That's kinda brutal on us big mouths! Although some of you guys > probably don't mind eh? :o) > > -- > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > Micheal Mims > SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now > mailto:mikemims@home.com > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > Aliso Viejo Ca > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: doug.dorfmeier@worldnet.att.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com Mike, Thanks for the fuel tank response. You mentioned putting wing tanks in the wing stubs. I am aprehensive about doing that since I am building a trigear. In that configuration, the wheels are mounted on the back rather than the from of the forward wing spar. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: new guy From: David McKelvey Date: 8 Jan 99 02:11:34 America/Fort_Wayne X-Message-Number: 28 Tomorrow I order my kr1 plans. I've been reading about kr's for a long time, but I didn't know there was a cg prob until I plugged into kr-net. Does the same problem occur in the kr1? I intend to build a basic "severe clear bird" look forward to your help, dave ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Fuel Tanks From: "RONALD R. EASON" Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 20:14:39 -0600 X-Message-Number: 29 You could consider a very light weight P/P Fuel Cell use in dragsters as a reliable gravity header tank. See it at the jeggs web site or order calalog. They are very adaptable and they will leave you more room in the cowling space. I used it on my KR2. They are available in a verity of sizes. Ron At 08:05 PM 1/5/99 -0800, you wrote: >I have been debating what to do for fuel tanks in my KR2S project. I am >planning on using Diehl wing skins and am leaning toward using wing >tanks only (no header tank). The plan is to utilize the space between >the first two wing ribs of the outer wing between the spars blocking off >the aft portion by about 4 inches with foam covered with 2bid cloth. I >suspect this should allow me to carry about 10 gallons of fuel in each >wing and minimize variances on CG for different fuel levels. All >feedback would greatly appreciated. I am especially courious about how >to treat the rib that will be in the middle of the fuel tank area. > >Doug Dorfmeier >Concord, Calif. > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jrlkc@mindspring.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Fuel Tanks From: NFCKR3@aol.com Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 21:29:20 EST X-Message-Number: 30 CG and Fuel Burn When I weighed my KR I drained the head tank bone dry, upon re-filling it we could only get 9.7 gallons in it in normal 3 point attitude. I also have two 3 gallon wing tanks, so I guess that as the head tank gets low I should re-fill it from the wings, this way I could have an almost full tank to land with...I think I will try this and will report to you later. Thanks Skip ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: spinal crush From: NFCKR3@aol.com Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 21:35:20 EST X-Message-Number: 31 Mike wrote about the belt attachment; I just installed shoulder harnesses in 250KB and am very pleased, I used the extra wood brace as per the drawings I used screws and T-88 to hold it. I used one piece belts from J.C. Whitney (19.00ea) and they come with really good hardware to mount it with, I used the orginal attachments for the buckle end. Looks good (they come in colors) and was easy to install. Skip Carden ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Seat belt anchors From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 19:30:45 -0700 X-Message-Number: 32 On Thu, 07 Jan 1999 12:28:02 -0500 Ron Freiberger writes: >An overlooked ( my opinion) way to get a grip for seatbelts is the >tailwheel >attach point, which is sturdy and unusually well located structurally. >Then, >3/16 cable forward as needed. > >We put a reinforcing plate in the rudder hige line of a freinds >"Jeanie's >Teenie" which also had no good harness attach. He obliged our test >program >by crashing is a wooded area, destroying the airplane and crushing the >tail >cone a bit. He camo out of the plane somewhat pissed but very alive. > >Ron Freiberger .... warm in Fort Myers aka Indiana escapee > > Ron, That is exactly how my sshoulder harness anchor is constructed. It is attached to a plate on the top side of the tailwheel mount. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jscott.pilot@juno.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: spinal crush From: miketnyc@juno.com (Michael C. Taglieri) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 22:04:39 EST X-Message-Number: 33 There's pros and cons to everything. The design you built, running cables to the tail, has been done in many planes and is probably the wan I would consider doing it because it solves the problem of anchoring the shoulder harnesses too low but mounts them to a very solid object. However, it was pointed out in one of the old Newsletters that certain crashs involving the tail could pull the cables too tight and kill the occupants even if the passenger compartment wasn't involved in the accident. Ultimately, everything is a compromise. Mike Taglieri ------------------------------------------------------- "May your life be full of lawyers" -- Mexican curse ------------------------------------------------------- >I ran two cables from the aluminum brackets that are bolted to the >forward spar >of the horizontal stab. These cables run at shoulder level straight >back and >should prevent spinal crush better than any other mounting system I >could think >of. > >Its good that you brought this up because I have seen shoulder >harnesses mounted >in a way that looped them over the shoulder, down the back and were >bolted as low >as the lap belts. In a substantial forward impact your upper torso >would be >pinched (crushed) as your weight moved forward. > > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now >mailto:mikemims@home.com >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >Aliso Viejo Ca >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: miketnyc@juno.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: new guy From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 20:05:59 -0700 X-Message-Number: 34 The CG problem only exists if you build the plane with a CG problem. Some minor redesign (longer engine mount, better fuel weight distribution) and the problem doesn't exist. That is one of the reasons this forum exists is so you can correct these problems before you build them into the plane. My KR is designed to require a minimum of 105# pilot in it's worst configuration in order to get the plane into the front of the CG range. I can't get it out of the CG unless I am carrying lead bars in the baggage. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm On 8 Jan 99 02:11:34 America/Fort_Wayne David McKelvey writes: >Tomorrow I order my kr1 plans. I've been reading about >kr's for a long time, but I didn't know there was a cg prob >until I plugged into kr-net. Does the same problem occur >in the kr1? I intend to build a basic "severe clear bird" >look forward to your help, > >dave > >____________________________________________________________________ >Get free e-mail and a permanent address at >http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jscott.pilot@juno.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Fuel Tanks From: KRBLUCH@aol.com Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 22:07:59 EST X-Message-Number: 35 From: Dave Blucher, KR-2S, N197DB My 2S has the 12 gal. RR header tank and tanks spanning the first two ribs of the outer wing panels. I don,t trust gravity to get fuel to my trusty NSI Subaru, so I installed an inline facet pump and an adjustable pressure regulator which is set to 2 psi. My wing panels were built up per plans, but to make sure that there is no instability in turns installed extra 1/4 inch thick baffles which were glassed and notched in the bottom so that fuel could pass between the chambers. The middle rib gets the sametreatment. Good Luck, Dave ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: new guy From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 21:10:44 -0600 X-Message-Number: 36 Dave, Yup, pretty much the same with the KR-1 as with the KR-2. Few suggestions: build it as light ("basic", as you say) as possible for best performance - maybe shoot for 400 # E.W., 1835 VW from Great Planes would be an excellant and reliable good choice for power plant and will give you good performance. Also, set up the plane to operate near the front part of the CG envelope. Don't use the alum.channel for an engine mount (maybe the new plans have changed that) - use one that's built up, which will help move the cg forward a bit and give you room for rear mounting a single mag., if that's your choice for ignition. Operate the plane daylight VFR only. The two different KR-1s I've flown were not difficult to fly, just different than the spamcans. They needed to be flown - can't say they were hands off airplanes, but nevertheless a real blast to fly! Best wishes with your project.! Ed Janssen. At 02:11 AM 1/8/99 America/Fort_Wa, you wrote: >Tomorrow I order my kr1 plans. I've been reading about >kr's for a long time, but I didn't know there was a cg prob >until I plugged into kr-net. Does the same problem occur >in the kr1? I intend to build a basic "severe clear bird" >look forward to your help, > >dave ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Fuel Tanks From: KRBLUCH@aol.com Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 22:16:00 EST X-Message-Number: 37 From Dave Blucher, N197DB By the way, I forgot to mention that I also have a separate facet pump for transferring fuel from the wing tanks to the header tank. I have flown it with full tanks and have no problems with weight shift or balance. Dave ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Header to Wing Fuel Tank Pump auto controls From: "RONALD R. EASON" Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 21:42:10 -0600 X-Message-Number: 38 If you have wing tanks and a gravity header tank see the web page jrl-engineering.com for details of a auto controller of fuel pump(s). Ron ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: South African projects From: Rian Mey Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 07:17:29 +0200 X-Message-Number: 39 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE3AC6.348E1AA0 Content-Type: text/plain Still busy - Need to hang the engine and manufacture the cowling. > -----Original Message----- > From: Kobus de Wet [SMTP:jfdewet@intekom.co.za] > Sent: Friday, January 08, 1999 10:54 PM > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] South African projects > > Will all the South African guys on the krnet please forward their project > information to me at jfdewet@intekom.co.za > Thanks guys. > > > Kobus De Wet > Cape Town South Africa > GMT+2:00 > http://home.intekom.com/kobusdw > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: meyr@marknet.co.za > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE3AC6.348E1AA0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [kr-net] South African projects

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------_=_NextPart_001_01BE3AC6.348E1AA0-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Fuel Tanks From: Douglas Dorfmeier Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 20:37:17 -0800 X-Message-Number: 40 RONALD R. EASON wrote: > > You could consider a very light weight P/P Fuel Cell use in dragsters as a > reliable gravity header tank. See it at the jeggs web site or order > calalog. They are very adaptable and they will leave you more room in the > cowling space. > I used it on my KR2. They are available in a verity of sizes. > > Ron > > At 08:05 PM 1/5/99 -0800, you wrote: > >I have been debating what to do for fuel tanks in my KR2S project. I am > >planning on using Diehl wing skins and am leaning toward using wing > >tanks only (no header tank). The plan is to utilize the space between > >the first two wing ribs of the outer wing between the spars blocking off > >the aft portion by about 4 inches with foam covered with 2bid cloth. I > >suspect this should allow me to carry about 10 gallons of fuel in each > >wing and minimize variances on CG for different fuel levels. All > >feedback would greatly appreciated. I am especially courious about how > >to treat the rib that will be in the middle of the fuel tank area. > > > >Doug Dorfmeier > >Concord, Calif. > > > >--- > >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jrlkc@mindspring.com > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: doug.dorfmeier@worldnet.att.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com Ron, Thanks for the suggestion on using P/P Fuel Cells. Do you happen to have more specific information on where I can get additional information on fuel cells? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Fuel Tanks From: Douglas Dorfmeier Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 20:59:16 -0800 X-Message-Number: 41 Thanks to all who replied to my request for information on fuel tanks. It is really great to be able to get this kind of feedback. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Thermal Questions From: "Jody Wallace" Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 21:32:00 PST X-Message-Number: 42 KR Friends: I've got a couple of weather ( temperature ) related questions. Do composite aircraft structures suffer from freezing temperatures? Not a problem in Chino or Alabama maybe but I live in Indiana. When KR wings were tested to destruction was it 20 degrees outside? What temperature is an aircraft wing anywhere at 10,000 feet after a 2 hour flight? Do KR's develope alot of stress cracks in the fiberglass...coefficients of thermal expansion...oh my! p.s. I'm not a composite aircraft basher...I love these aircraft. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Header to Wing Fuel Tank Pump auto controls From: "Rod Kelso" Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 23:06:28 -0700 X-Message-Number: 43 Ron, I cant seem to find the web page for this company, can you or somebody give me more info on the company, or where to buy either intank pumps or whatever pumps. Thanks, Rod Kelso. How bout them Denver Broncos, Superbowl bound again???????????Hmmmmmmmmmm ---------- > From: RONALD R. EASON > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Header to Wing Fuel Tank Pump auto controls > Date: Thursday, January 07, 1999 8:42 PM > > If you have wing tanks and a gravity header tank see the web page > jrl-engineering.com for details of a auto controller of fuel pump(s). > > Ron > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rbk@orci.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR gathering/Chino Kosh From: HAshraf@aol.com Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 02:00:25 EST X-Message-Number: 44 Corona is few miles from Chino (fifteen minutes by car). Aircraft Spruce is located very close to it. Therefore, everybody building an airplane at Chino goes there regularly. If you plan to visit Corone do come and check out our projects. Haris ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR gathering/Chino Kosh From: Mike Mims Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 23:36:00 -0800 X-Message-Number: 45 Gordon Brimhall wrote: > Does Corona/Chino the same airport? They are about 10 miles apart. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Celotex From: Mike Mims Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 23:38:48 -0800 X-Message-Number: 46 Tom Rehl wrote: > <<>> I aint no engineer but I know one thing (maybe more) urethane foam has almost no structural properties, so I see no reason why almost any other foam of the same density wouldn't work. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com