From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Monday, January 11, 1999 12:07 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: January 10, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Sunday, January 10, 1999. 1. Re: New Engine Parts. 2. Kids and planes 3. Re: ie that VW for sale - more info 4. Re: Extreme temps 5. Re: Stanley Pull Saw 6. Re: Extreme temps 7. RR 0-200 mount 8. Re: Foldong Wing Kit 9. Needing to see a KR 10. Wing Tanks 11. Re: Wing Tanks 12. Re: Celotex 13. Engine Certification 14. N541RY Progress Report 15. Re: Stanley Pull Saw 16. KR2 in Staten Island, NY 17. Re: Wing Tanks 18. Lancair 300 accident 19. Re: ie that VW for sale - more info ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: New Engine Parts. From: cartera Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 21:24:32 -0700 X-Message-Number: 1 Hi Gang, Now there is a sound of a man with confidence, nice going Dana. Sure is different than a year ago. Good Luck and go getum. KR2616TJ@aol.com wrote: > > Thanks to Dr. Dean my G/P 2180 VW now has a new back side to go with that nice > new front side (force one prop hub). I just finished rehanging the engine > this afternoon after removing the HAPI case and flywheel. Since I have runup > the engine, I loosened the prop hub bolt and re-torqued it. I was happy to > see that the breakaway torque was right on.....................comforting > feeling. For those of you researching VW's, one of the causes of crank tip > failures with the VW is an over torqued prop hub bolt. Now back to refitting > the 4X1 tuned exhaust and intakes, rewire the mag., starter, reattach the fuel > lines and fire this sucker back up..............WOO HOO. > > Now I've got an extra HAPI accessory case with 20 amp alternator, flywheel, > mag pickup and puck. I machined the pickup out of 4130 as the one Great > Plains sells does not work on a HAPI case so it's not store bought, but you > can't buy one, works just fine (30 hrs of machining). First $150.00 bucks > puts it in your home. I'll do the UPS charge. > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY > mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: cartera@cuug.ab.ca > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com -- Adrian VE6AFY Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Kids and planes From: Kerry Miller Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 08:29:42 -0600 X-Message-Number: 2 See, nobody tells me nuthin'. GREAT JOB, Tom. I'd never finish my plane at that rate, but it sounds like you've had several more important projects over the years! Makes my KR seem pretty insignificant... Thanks for the info, Randy. Are there some cool people on this list, or what? Kerry Miller Royse City, TX (about to head out and move some of the clamps around...) At 12:10 AM 1/10/99 -0800, you wrote: >Kerry: > >I got to tell you, Tom has had maybe 40 -50 kids over the years. He has been >a foster dad on an on going basis for many years. That takes lots of guts. >My hat is off to him. Just think of the stress of the incoming kid's >adjustments to your home and the tearing of the heart strings when they have >to move on... > >Good job Tom. > >Randy Stein >Soviet Monica, CA ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: ie that VW for sale - more info From: "Jesse Klebsch" Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 07:12:47 PST X-Message-Number: 3 What size are the props and how much do you want for them?? Jesse Klebsch Ottumwa, IA flyenjk@hotmail.com > >Engine is VW 2100cc. New crank shaft. Force One prop flange and >bearing. All parts professionally balanced and zero timed. SOME >ASSEMBLY REQUIRED. > >Includes 2 propellers, one is brand new in the shipping box. > >Michael J. Digangi >Carson City, Nevada >Dragonfly3@Juno.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Extreme temps From: Donald Reid Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:26:15 -0500 X-Message-Number: 4 Kerry Miller wrote: > > The article quoted earlier mentioned Dynel, maybe that was part of the > cause of the temperature problem. Since Dynel is out and fiberglass is in, > maybe that and the newer epoxies have helped to alleviate the problem with > cracking in the rapid temperature changes. Just an idea. There may be some truth to that. In the articles that I have read, dynel required more epoxy to wet out completely. The epoxy is brittle, with more of it, the thermal stresses are certainly going to be higher. -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Stanley Pull Saw From: Mike Mims Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 09:04:19 -0800 X-Message-Number: 5 Kerry Miller wrote: > << You wouldn't want to do much heavy-duty cutting with something like this, but > for a bunch of those little pieces of 5/8 square they aren't bad or for > cutting through foam/glass. >>>> Because of the neighborhood I lived in I couldn't use loud power tools in the garage so I built my entire boat (yes every piece) with a Japanese pull saw. I even cut the plywood pieces out with one. They work pretty slick and if you are thinking it would take longer to use a pull saw, NOT!! I had my boat framed in 7 days. Plywood skins were added 7 days later. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Extreme temps From: Mike Mims Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 09:20:36 -0800 X-Message-Number: 6 Kerry Miller wrote: > << cause of the temperature problem. Since Dynel is out and fiberglass is in, > maybe that and the newer epoxies have helped to alleviate the problem with > cracking in the rapid temperature changes. Just an idea.>>>> You are 100% positively, absolutely correct. Believe it or not I know Fred and he went on to build many more composite aircraft including a EZ or two, a Defiant, and a composite bush plane called the prospector I had the pleasure to watch operate in the bush! One hell of an airplane!! Anyway none of his later homebuilts had this cracking problem and they were built with fiberglass not dynel. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RR 0-200 mount From: "Rod Kelso" Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 12:08:37 -0700 X-Message-Number: 7 Hi to all, Well Im still looking for an engine mount, so if anyone knows of one or knows anyone that has one hanging in there shop please let me know ASAP. Oh, I need a new or used (not bent) RR 0-200 engine mount. Also need parts and shop manuals for the Cont 0-200. Thanks for taking the time to read this. Rod................:<) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Foldong Wing Kit From: "R.W. Moore" Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 14:55:10 -0500 X-Message-Number: 8 YES. THE PLANS ARE BEING DRAWN NOW ON A CAD COMPUTER. I WILL LET YOU KNOW WHEN THEY ARE READY. RWM -----Original Message----- From: CruzJ12@aol.com To: KR-net users group Date: Sunday, January 03, 1999 1:43 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Foldong Wing Kit >do you sell the plans for the folding wing? > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rwmoore@alltel.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Needing to see a KR From: Jim Patterson Date: 10 Jan 99 19:57:28 EST X-Message-Number: 9 Jon Please e-mail me @ -- I tried for yo= u but it came back. Jim Patterson Greenville, SC ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=3D1= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Wing Tanks From: JKM001@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 20:09:16 EST X-Message-Number: 10 Just in case anyone is wondering what to do about wing tanks, TEAM Aircraft has tanks that will fit right in the wing and they are 10 gal. ea. and sell for $110.00 a piece. Regards Keith ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Wing Tanks From: CruzJ12@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 23:26:18 EST X-Message-Number: 11 Is there a web site for team aircraft? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Celotex From: Ross Youngblood Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 21:14:33 -0800 X-Message-Number: 12 Mike Mims wrote: > > Tom Rehl wrote: > > > <<>> > > I aint no engineer but I know one thing (maybe more) urethane foam has almost no structural properties, so I see no reason why almost any other foam of the same density wouldn't work. > Ken Rand used Styrofoam on his according to Sport Aviation. -- Ross -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 Corvallis,Oregon mailto:rossy@saber.slb.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Engine Certification From: Ross Youngblood Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 21:29:10 -0800 X-Message-Number: 13 I got this off the Cessna Cardinal email list, it's on Regs for certifying engines. I thought it might be of interest to the KR-netters. From: Elon Ormsby Subject: Engine Certification Mr. Weeks said ..."I was told by their engineers that any production aircraft engine has to go to TBO and 100% power in order to meet certification requirements." This is common folklore but has no basis in reality or truth. One must be very careful when talking to engineers. There is only one "bible" used in the engine test cell, read on... The document that governs any certification of any aircraft engine (be it reciprocating piston engines or turbine) is Advisory Circular AC33-2B, "AIRCRAFT ENGINE TYPE CERTIFICATION HANDBOOK". To cut to the chase; only 150 hours are required to certify ANY aircraft engine! And so as not to bore y'all I'll give you the pertinent sections (brutally and severely edited). Every combination you can think of is covered in the manual. Single-speed supercharged, double-speed supercharged, turbocharged, gear driven, helicopter engines, etc. are all covered in the manual. Prop, accessories and other good stuff are all addressed in testing. Section 33.49 Endurance Test a.) General...during the runs at rated takeoff power and for at least 35 hours at rated maximum continuos power, one cylinder, must be...not less than limiting temp, the other cylinders must be operated at not less than 50 deg below the limiting temp... b.) Unsupercharged engines. . . (1) 30 hr run...alternate periods of 5 minutes rated take off power...5 min best economy (2) 20 hr...alternate periods 1.5 hr @max...1/2 hr @ 75%&91% (3) 20 hr...alternate periods 1.5 hr @max...1/2 hr @ 70%&89% (4) 20 hr...alternate periods 1.5 hr @max...1/2 hr @ 65%&87% (5) 20 hr...alternate periods 1.5 hr @max...1/2 hr @ 60%&84.5% (6) 20 hr...alternate periods 1.5 hr @max...1/2 hr @ 50%&79.5% (7) 20 hr...alternate periods 2.5 hr @max...2 1/2 hrs max best economy... c.) Gear driven engines...etc. (you get the idea...) AC33-2B is more than 115 (double sided) pages. Make no mistake, the FAA required testing in the manual is severe. And of course, if any one of the tests failed it would have to be repeated. Yes, an engine could have thousands of hours on it during development, or in preparation for the certification test. But, bottom line, a certified engine only has to pass 150 hours of testing. What I have listed above is a gross simplification of what is required. For those that are interested in such things you should get a copy...it makes for fascinating reading! BTW, TBO is a manufacturer's term. It has nothing to do with Certification or AC33-2b. -Elon -- Ross -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 Corvallis,Oregon mailto:rossy@saber.slb.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: N541RY Progress Report From: Ross Youngblood Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 21:42:22 -0800 X-Message-Number: 14 Well, Not much progress to report. The engine is out of my S-10, and the machine shop is probably done with all the pieces... I was out of town and didn't get the message, so I will have to call him Monday, when I will be out of town... again. I have to thank everyone who IS reporting progress... hopefully it will help me get back into this. Anyone have some good battery box ideas. I'm getting ready to paint mine, and am having second thoughts about the fiberglass design... I don't know if it will take too many G's. I may add some metal straps when I finally mount it for piece of mind. Looks like I will be out of town again the next couple of weeks. This kinda limits my productivity as sys admin. I hope everyone knows that they can click on the KR icon at http://www.krnet.org and unsubscribe or change the amount of email they get. If you cange your email address by unsubscribing/re-subscribing, I or one of the other "list-moms" will have to approve it so this explains the wait for those first timers who were wondering where your requests go. I have been looking at buying a Cessna lately, but the thought of a single cylinder costing more than my whole VW at repair time is still hard to swallow. It's all this darn IFR like cloud stuff we have here in Oregon, whats that all about anyway? (Can you tell I went back to Phoenix at Christmas?) Actually I love it here in Oregon, just wish I could fly more! (strike that, I wish I could fly more and not BE flown more.) -- Regards Ross ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Stanley Pull Saw From: miketnyc@juno.com (Michael C. Taglieri) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 01:20:01 EST X-Message-Number: 15 How easy was it to scarf the plywood for splicing this way? This sounds like the hardest job to do by hand. Mike Taglieri >Because of the neighborhood I lived in I couldn't use loud power tools >in the >garage so I built my entire boat (yes every piece) with a Japanese >pull saw. I >even cut the plywood pieces out with one. They work pretty slick and >if you >are thinking it would take longer to use a pull saw, NOT!! I had my >boat >framed in 7 days. Plywood skins were added 7 days later. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KR2 in Staten Island, NY From: miketnyc@juno.com (Michael C. Taglieri) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 01:20:01 EST X-Message-Number: 16 Today I went to see a KR 2 being sold by a woman in another part of New York City, the widow of the builder (who died in a crash last fall). She asked me to tell Randy about the workmanship but I might as well tell everybody since someone may want to buy it. I told her I would give my impressions on the quality of construction, so here goes -- this is all based on seeing only one side of the plane, since it's in a very small room at present, but there's no reason to believe the other side is not the same. In general, the construction is impressive, but very nonstandard. This is a KR-2 that's close to stock width: 35 1/2" wide at the insides of top longerons. It's in the boat stage with center spars installed. The outer spars are done, and the wing ribs are made but not installed, although some tapering of the top of the main wing spar has been done to conform to the shape of the airfoil. The only glassing done is the horizontal stabilizer, which is finished but not attached. In general, the woodwork is meticulous, and the builder was obviously a talented woodworker. There are a few dribbles of epoxy I would have tried to get off with a Q-Tip (to save weight....) but otherwise I saw nothing I wouldn't be happy to fly with. However, the width is one of the few things that is stock. The landing gear is a retractable tricycle-gear system, and the builder was also a talented machinist, because the construction seems to be of high quality so far. The rear setup looks similar to the standard Rand-Robinson retracts, but the latching mechanism is nonstandard, with linkages to the nosewheel system, which so far is only a block of aluminum with a large hole (carefully bronze-bushed), on the firewall cross-members. There are a number of nosewheel parts not yet on the plane, including an oleo shock and two aluminum doors that would be mounted to close over the nosewheel. Family member said the builder must have been working from "something in the Newsletters," since he would not have designed this as he went along, so plans for the rest of this system are probably around. The firewall itself has not been installed, but the gas tank is done, and the aluminum instrument panel is punched-out for what looks like a hell of a lot of instruments. Another special design is a throw-over control wheel like an old Beech Bonanza, The basic structure is done (all machined from aluminum) with bearings, tiny roller-chains and constant-velocity joints (?) carrying the control motion down to the floor, apparently to what will be a pushrod-operated rudder and elevator. I think I also saw this design in an old Newsletter once. According to the family, the builder has everything else there except the canopy. I didn't see a factory cowling, but I assume he was making one himself. I noticed a set of molds he built for making your own NACA ducts out of fiberglass, so this was a guy who wanted to buy as few premade parts as possible. There is an apparently damaged SuperPosa carb and another carb that replaced it, plus a Slick magneto. The family says there are also many instruments including an attitude indicator, and they have paperwork for it all. Finally, in case you were wondering, the engine is there too: a VW Type 4 on a stand in the corner. It has a (wood) prop and dual ignition (the front distributor and presumably that Slick magneto. They said it was built by HAPI in the mid 80's, and there is also a VolksPower case set up to accept a vacuum pump to run all those instruments. This engine may never have been run, but it has oil in it and was stored at room temperature, so it's probably in OK shape. Unfortunately, the person who gets this probably won't be me, because the widow has no interest in renting the space the plane was being built in, and that's what keeps me from building a KR. If a suitable workspace opens up (and I'm putting my search into high-gear), I would buy the whole thing, but I want to build a KISS design, so if I get this I'll be selling all the high-tech stuff including the tricycle-rectracts, the throw-over control wheel, the gyro instruments and the Type 4 engine, which is a lot bigger than I need. If someone else wants to buy this, I guess you should get in touch with Randy about it, since the woman did not say I could put her e-mail address on this list. You should understand that she has no interest whatsoever in parting this stuff out -- she wants someone to drive a truck to her house and take it all away, and she doesn't care if the buyer later keeps the components and discards the boat. Mike Taglieri ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Wing Tanks From: Douglas Dorfmeier Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:19:49 -0800 X-Message-Number: 17 JKM001@aol.com wrote: > > Just in case anyone is wondering what to do about wing tanks, TEAM Aircraft > has tanks that will fit right in the wing and they are 10 gal. ea. and sell > for $110.00 a piece. > > Regards > Keith > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: doug.dorfmeier@worldnet.att.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com Keith, Thanks for the info. How can I get in touch with them? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Lancair 300 accident From: BSHADR@aol.com Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 02:39:41 EST X-Message-Number: 18 Sad news. It can happen to the best of them. Randy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` Saturday's Search Concluded For Experimental Plane And Passengers PORTLAND, Posted 1:11 p.m. January 9, 1999 -- The search for parts of a four-seater plane that crashed in the Columbia River and its two occupants will go on Sunday, after today's search yielded no significant clues. Pilot Hans Oesch, 39, of Bend and his passenger, Kimberly Kelley, 20, of Portland were making a routine landing approach at Portland International Airport at 6:00 p.m. Friday night. The Lancair Columbia 300 single- engine plane was about a mile and a half away from the runway when it made a sudden turn toward the river and disappeared from the control tower's radar screen. Searchers from the Multnomah Co. sheriff's office, along with the Coast Guard, are concentrating their search about a quarter of a mile east of the 42nd St. boat ramp on Marine Drive in north Portland, says Multnomah Co. Lt. Brian Martinek. "We got together with the guys from the control tower and from their calculations, narrowed it down to that area. They'll go out in our boats tomorrow (Sunday) with side sonar, a sonar system with more sensitivity to the sonar we've used today. We are confident that we'll find something tomorrow. But when the bodies will be recovered is anyone's guess," Martinek tells Channel 6000. Martinek says large parts of the tail and the fuselage, plus some other small pieces, have already been recovered. The wings, cockpit and the engine, which could give investigators an answer to why the plane went down, are still missing and presumed to be near the boat ramp. "Fog probably had something to do with (the accident). Usually, with a crash like this, you hear a million theories, but I haven't heard one," Martinek tells Channel 6000. The Federal Aviation Administration is conducting an investigation into the cause of the accident. The Lancair was owned by Pacific Aviation Composites of Bend, the company that made it, said Doug Roberts, aviation spokesman for the Port of Portland, reported The Associated Press. Oesch was a company employee, according to KOIN 6 News. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: ie that VW for sale - more info From: BSHADR@aol.com Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 02:39:37 EST X-Message-Number: 19 In a message dated 99-01-10 10:14:01 EST, Jesse wrote: << What size are the props and how much do you want for them?? >> Jesse: Sorry, I know nothing about this offer to sell VW engines and props. I included the name and email address of the seller on pupose. Please direct your questions, etc., to him. He is not on KRNet, nor do you want me "helping" you in this potential transaction (trust me on this). Like others, I only post the information as I find it as a public service. Randy Stein Soviet Monica, CA --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com