From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Thursday, January 14, 1999 12:10 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: January 13, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Wednesday, January 13, 1999. 1. Re: KR2 in Staten Island, NY 2. RE: KRNet Admin (i.e. Ross received his Christmas Visa bill) 3. Re: sincerely sarcastic , was Plywood finish 4. Accident reports 5. Re: KR2 in Staten Island, NY - Da man in charge - Not I suppose 6. Fwd: from Lamkin 7. led 8. RE: KRNet Admin (i.e. Ross received his Christmas Visa bill) 9. RE: Useless Facts Part Two 10. RE: Useless Facts Part Two 11. Great Turbo soob installation pics 12. RE: Useless Facts Part Two Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 05:40:55 -0800 X-Message-Number: 5 I once sold off part of my collection of Riggen Slot Car (Prototype Cars) (I was the Designer for the Company in 60's) Anyway as the word got out I had 5 people wanting them, I didn't know what to do to be fair so I took pictures and sent each a packet with bid information and drop dead date. I thought I would get maybe 1000 buck or so. Interesting I had people trying to bargain under the table, trying to find out who bid what and all, One person who even did work for the company that I had known 30 some yrs ago was so sure he would get the stuff he sent me a check for 2001.00 So by drop dead day I rec all bids and one check. No checks were requested, only bids. 1500.00 2001.00 2201.00 This was for a cigar box full of the HO Slot Cars and some old flyers. It was hard to notify each person but I sent copies of everybodys bid to each person. And when check came and cleared I sent stuff to man in NY. Being fair is being a real person and having Honor. Gordon BSHADR@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 99-01-13 01:21:06 EST, you write: > > << Randy, actually the lady didn't give me permission to give her number or > e-mail to anyone and certainly not to post it to hundreds of people, so > I'm not going to. Also, I'm interested in buying this project myself if I > can find a place to build it, so it's a conflict of interest for me to be > the gatekeeper deciding what other people get the information. >> > > (sigh) I tried to be lazy but no joy, just like thinking my wife will let me > have a nice nap on a Saturday afternoon... > > Here's the deal - I'll talk with her about how she wishes to proceed. I'll > report back once she tells me. Everyone line up, take a number and write it > on the back of a crisp new $20 bill. Now Fedex it to me. I'll put the money > in a hat and draw out the names and you guys will then be notified of your > order...naw - not a good idea, but > may if we did it with a $100 bill... > > Let me see what she wants to do. > > Stay tuned, > > Randy Stein > Soviet Monica, CA > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: snakeskin@surfree.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Fwd: from Lamkin From: DClarke351@aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:15:12 EST X-Message-Number: 6 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_916236915_boundary Content-ID: <0_916236915@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_916236915_boundary Content-ID: <0_916236915@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: LadyDriz@aol.com Return-path: To: alamkin@our-town.com, KGCLARKE@aol.com, rgclarke@worldnet.att.net, KVanza4434@aol.com, JVanz35@aol.com, LyndaVZ@aol.com, annielam@email.msn.com, imagebuilder@datatamers.com, DClarke351@aol.com, JGVANZ@aol.com, jclarke@junix.ju.edu, Tracnmike@aol.com, RIngenloff@aol.com, connier@ametro.net, XENALAVA@aol.com, PuhiAdams@aol.com, trecore@datasync.com, Favors3@datasync.com, dbt@datasync.com, John Bertolino , Rasmussen , mikemathews@juno.com, MSell93184@aol.com, Wackley1@freewwweb.com, JGMosley@aol.com, Tiggerfye@aol.com Subject: from Lamkin Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 01:16:48 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/10/99 11:32:27 AM Hawaiian Standard Time, searunner@worldnet.att.net writes: << An ambitious yuppie finally decided to take a vacation. He booked himself on a Caribbean cruise and proceeded to have the time of his life... until the boat sank! The man found himself swept up on the shore of an island with no other people, no supplies... Nothing. Only bananas and coconuts. After about four months, he is lying on the beach one day when the most gorgeous woman he has ever seen rows up to him. In disbelief he asks her: "Where did you come from? How did you get here?" "I rowed from the other side of the island," she says. "I landed here when my cruise ship sank." "Amazing," he says. "You were really lucky to have a rowboat wash up with you." "Oh, this?" replies the woman. "I made the rowboat out of raw material that I found on the island; the oars were whittled from gum tree branches; I wove the bottom from palm branches; and the sides and stern came from a Eucalyptus tree." "But-but, that's impossible," stutters the man. "You had no tools or hardware. How did you manage?" "Oh, that was no problem," replies the woman. "On the south side of the island, there is a very unusual strata of alluvial rock exposed. I found that if I fired it to a certain temperature in my kiln, it melted into forgetable ductile iron. I used that for tools and used the tools to = make the hardware. The guy is stunned. "Let's row over to my place, " she says. After a few minutes of rowing, she docks the boat at a small wharf. As the man looks onto shore, he nearly falls out of the boat. Before him is a stone walk leading to an exquisite bungalow painted in blue and white. While the woman ties up the rowboat with an expertly woven hemp rope, the man can only stare ahead, dumb-struck. As they walk into the house, her beautiful breasts bouncing with each step, she says casually, "It's not much, but I call it home. Sit down please; would you like to have a drink?" "No thank you," he says, still dazed. "Can't take any more coconut juice." "It's not coconut juice," the woman replies. "I have a still. How about a Pina Colada?" Trying to hide his continued amazement, the man accepts, and they sit down on her couch to talk. After they have exchanged their stories, the woman announces, "I'm going to slip into something more comfortable. Would you like to take a shower and shave? There is a razor upstairs in the cabinet in the bathroom." No longer questioning anything, the man goes into the bathroom. There, in the cabinet, is a razor made from a bone handle. Two shells honed to a hollow ground edge are fastened onto its end, inside of a swivel mechanism. "This woman is amazing," he muses. "What next?" When he returns, she greets him wearing nothing but vines and a shell necklace -- strategically positioned -- and smelling faintly of gardenias. She beckons for him to sit down next to her. "Tell me," she begins suggestively, slithering closer to him, "we've been out here for a very long time. You've been lonely. I've been lonely. There's something I'm sure you really feel like doing right about now, something you've been longing for all these months? You know... " She stares into his eyes. He can't believe what he's hearing. His heart begins to pound. He's truly in luck: "You mean...", he gasps, "...I can actually check my e-mail from here?? >> --part0_916236915_boundary-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: led From: boggyd@webtv.net (D Bogdan) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 08:51:37 -0600 (CST) X-Message-Number: 7 does anyone have experience with leading edge devices (led)? slots or slats or leading edge flaps. i'm looking for any intrepid experimenters with real world knowldege and caveats. regards, d ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: KRNet Admin (i.e. Ross received his Christmas Visa bill) From: "Stefan den Boer" Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:46:59 +0100 X-Message-Number: 8 I don't know how i have to do it, I will give it this jear. I will be trying to be on the next gathering so i can give the donation. We will be planning our next hollyday to the gathering. It is realy bad to put some money on other account than the Netherlands. Stef (DUTCH GUY) ---------- > Van: Richard Parker > Aan: KR-net users group > CC: rparker@parker.com > Onderwerp: [kr-net] RE: KRNet Admin (i.e. Ross received his Christmas Visa bill) > Datum: dinsdag 12 januari 1999 22:35 > > OK, Ross > > I'll put a check in the mail. > > HOW ABOUT THE REST OF YOU GUYS? > > Rich Parker > > >From: "Oscar Zuniga" > >To: "KR-net users group" > >Subject: [kr-net] KRNet Admin > >Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 06:28:10 PST > >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" > > > >Hello, Netters > > > >I note that there quite a few newer netters on the list, and so I was > >reminded (when Randy "Whine" sent a recent post) that the new folks may > >not know that voluntary contributions keep the KRNet healthy and > >growing. There are costs associated with maintaining the list and > >webpage, and in keeping Ross's hot tub stocked with water treatment and > >aromatherapy capsules (just kidding there). > > > >It has become customary to pony up a suggested $10 annual contribution > >to cover the admin costs of KRNet, usually paid around September when > >the KR Gathering occurs, but donations are welcome anytime and may be > >sent to: > > > > Ross Youngblood > > 1109 NE Burke Pl. > > Corvallis, OR 97330 > >--------------------- > >Oscar Zuniga > >webpage at http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/ > >Medford, OR > > > >______________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > >--- > >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: richontheroad@hotmail.com > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: boer.reinders@hetnet.nl > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Useless Facts Part Two From: Ron Freiberger Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:49:24 -0500 X-Message-Number: 9 If there's anything useful in here about KR2's, I couldn't find it. Maybe a humor-chat group would be a better forum. > -----Original Message----- > From: bounce-kr-net-19348@telelists.com > [mailto:bounce-kr-net-19348@telelists.com]On Behalf Of Michael C. > Taglieri > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 12:59 AM > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Useless Facts > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Useless Facts Part Two From: "Rod Kelso" Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:04:10 -0700 X-Message-Number: 10 Amen to that Ron, wheres the KR stuff we tuned into see and learn about????????????????????? Rod................ :o) ---------- > From: Ron Freiberger > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] RE: Useless Facts Part Two > Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 8:49 AM > > If there's anything useful in here about KR2's, I couldn't find it. Maybe a > humor-chat group would be a better forum. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: bounce-kr-net-19348@telelists.com > > [mailto:bounce-kr-net-19348@telelists.com]On Behalf Of Michael C. > > Taglieri > > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 12:59 AM > > To: KR-net users group > > Subject: [kr-net] Useless Facts > > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rbk@orci.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Great Turbo soob installation pics From: "Richard Parker" Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 08:03:01 PST X-Message-Number: 11 Bob Lasecki from Chicago sent me some pics of his Direct Drive Intercooled Turbo Subaru installation to put up on my web site. I invite you all to check it out as I think it is very impressive. I put them up at: http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/soob.htm Rich Parker richontheroad@hotmail.com http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm Jaffrey, NH ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Useless Facts Part Two > I would like to take an exception to this statement as I found the forum quite useful. You need to understand that in winter time very few people are actually building so there are no building questions and help needed. And, therefore, the threads sometimes become a little long winded. Haris ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Great Turbo soob installation pics From: msharkey@softarc.com (Mike Sharkey) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:52:04 -0500 X-Message-Number: 13 kr-net@telelists.com writes: >Bob Lasecki from Chicago sent me some pics of his Direct Drive >Intercooled Turbo Subaru installation to put up on my web site. I invite >you all to check it out as I think it is very impressive. > >I put them up at: >http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/soob.htm This reminds me, if there are builders out there with pictures and ideas they might like to share and no web site to put them on, I'd be more than happy to share some space on my web site as well. Just mail me privately at msharkey@softarc.com --------------------------------------- Mike Sharkey http://www.softarc.com/~msharkey (Hangar: 0.01% complete - building site selected, backhoe aquired, foundation/footer materials on order) (KR: 3% complete - boat) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Airplane Joke From: Gordon Brimhall Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:53:13 -0800 X-Message-Number: 14 On Sept 29th 1998 The photographer for a national magazine was assigned to get photos of a great forest fire. Smoke at the scene was too thick to get any good shots, so he frantically called his home office to hire a plane. "It will be waiting for you at the airport!" he was assured by his editor. As soon as he got to the small, rural airport, sure enough, a plane was warming up near the runway. He jumped in with his equipment and yelled, "Let's go! Let's go!" The pilot swung the plane into the wind and soon they were in the air. "Fly over the north side of the fire," said the photographer, "and make three or four low level passes." "Why?" asked the pilot. "Because I'm going to take pictures! I'm a photographer, and photographers take pictures!" said the photographer with great exasperation and impatience. After a long pause the pilot said, "You mean you're not the instructor?" Gordon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Airplane Joke From: AeroManx@aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:39:56 EST X-Message-Number: 15 A philosopher, a priest and a statistician were on board a 747 when the pilot announces that one of the engines has failed. The phiosopher immeidately says"It is fate you know. There is no need to concern yourselves. If it is our time to die, it is our time to die. If it is not then we will be ok." A few minutes later, the pilot announces that a second engine has quit. The priest imediately stands and starts to lead a group of passengets in the rosary. Upon seeing this, the statistician calls the flight attendant over and askes her to ask the pilot to shut down the other two engines. Startled, the flight attendant asks why. The statistician states "Im trying to calculate our chances of surviving and I need a bigger sample size" This joke is probably only funny if you are a statistician Steve Majercik, Ph.D. <---statistician callsign "Manx" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Airplane Joke From: "Albert Pecoraro" Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:16:49 EST X-Message-Number: 16 The Statistician Joke reminds me of the following joke: A meek, old gentleman was in line at the airport gate waiting to go through the Baggage Check area. When he placed his suitcase on the conveyor belt the alarms went off and he was soon apprehended and detained by airport security. Upon opening his suitcase they found that it contained a bomb. They took the man into an interrogation chamber to figure out why he had attempted to bring a bomb aboard a passenger jetliner. After the initial questions the old man asked his interrogators: "At any given time, what is the probability that there will be a bomb aboard a passenger jetliner?" The chief answered "One chance in 150,000." Then the old man asked: "At any given time, what is the probability that there will be TWO bombs aboard a passenger jetliner?" The chief answered "That's very, very rare. One chance in 10,000,000" "You see," said the old man, "all I was trying to do was increase my luck!" Albert (<--- Computer Analyst/Programmer & Mathematician!) ;-) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Jokes - NOT! From: BSHADR@aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:38:11 EST X-Message-Number: 17 KRNetheads: Pleazzzzzze do not post jokes on KRNet. I enjoy 'em thoroughly - not everyone does. Many of us get too many emails now and sorting through jokes on KRNet sets me up for disappointment. I suspect most of us would prefer to see KRNet continue as a conduit for KR relevant information. Humor is OK since it greases the wheels of life, but it is too easy for the list content to deteriorate to jabber and "me too" posting. We will loose too many of the important aviation folks who will jump off of the list if KRNet becomes a joke clearing house. I've seen this before. It takes too much behind-the-scenes email efforts to get the good aviation guys back, if at all… Revrend Randy (Nomex shorts on) Stein USA (now entering the Federal Flameless protection program) B*HA*R@a*l.c*m PS - If I'm out of line - Email me privately. I'll be happy to apologize publicly if the majority of the dissenting emails outweigh the supportive ones. On the otherhand, do feel free to send me privately all of the good jokes you have. I have a small group of like minded jokesters who like to share these sorts of things amongst ourselves. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Great Turbo soob installation pics From: Kimball Anderson Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:41:37 -0500 X-Message-Number: 18 Great pictures, indeed. One question, though, since you've seen the KR in person: where is the radiator located in this installation? Thanks, Kimball Anderson -----Original Message----- From: Richard Parker To: KR-net users group Cc: kr2dream@aol.com Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 11:04 AM Subject: [kr-net] Great Turbo soob installation pics >Bob Lasecki from Chicago sent me some pics of his Direct Drive >Intercooled Turbo Subaru installation to put up on my web site. I invite >you all to check it out as I think it is very impressive. > >I put them up at: >http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/soob.htm > >Rich Parker >richontheroad@hotmail.com >http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm >Jaffrey, NH > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: isleno@hargray.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR3 WAS Jokes - NOT! From: Gordon Brimhall Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:38:16 -0800 X-Message-Number: 19 Can someone confirm something about the KR3 that Rand was testing and I think that was when he crashed. I have a friend designer who has seen it and says that it had a Pylon mounted engine and held 70 lbs of water in the cowling that drained out during takeoff. Is this true or does anybody know the real story. Sounds almost like a joke to me the water thing. Gordon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Jokes From: "Mark Langford" Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:54:14 -0000 X-Message-Number: 20 This is not the place for jokes. Keep it up, and you won't be able to find anyone left on this list who knows anything about KRs. If you have a need for jokes, please get and send them somewhere else... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: project/Web page update From: jeb@thuntek.net Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 12:15:48 X-Message-Number: 21 I changed the main photo to one showing my cowling under construction. I'm building a male plug to use to build a female mold. The plug is urathane foam covered with plaster of paris (rough shaped) then covered with superfill. I've got a 3 day weekend coming up and hope to do the plug glass work. I also added 2 photos under the weigh in link. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Jokes From: Gordon Brimhall Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 12:35:34 -0800 X-Message-Number: 22 I understand about the jokes, SORRY Now can someone answer my question about the KR3 Gordon Mark Langford wrote: > This is not the place for jokes. Keep it up, and you won't be able to find > anyone left on this list who knows anything about KRs. If you have a need > for jokes, please get and send them somewhere else... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: snakeskin@surfree.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: (Fwd) New airfoils From: "Rex Ellington" Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:49:42 CST X-Message-Number: 23 ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: Self To: krnet@telelists.com Subject: New airfoils Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:30:03 CST Hi Neters Have I missed something, or has there been a dearth of information on the new airfoil test work and/or aircraft trials since October?? I will have to make a choice pretty soon. Rex Ellington Rex T. Ellington ellingto@gslan.offsys.ou.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KR3 From: "Mark Langford" Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 15:03:50 -0000 X-Message-Number: 24 >Now can someone answer my question about the KR3 There was indeed a KR3 amphibian. My understanding is that it never got off the water, and in fact sustained some damage in the first attempt. Stu Robinson was in charge of that project. It was eventually determined that a complete redesign would be necessary to make it work, and it was abandoned. There was some mention of it in early Newsletters, but none about its demise, that I can remember. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: New airfoils From: "Mark Langford" Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 15:36:29 -0000 X-Message-Number: 25 Rex Ellington wrote: >Have I missed something, or has there been a dearth of >information on the new airfoil test work and/or aircraft >trials since October?? I'll let Steve Eberhart comment on this, but we were waiting for Troy Petteway to actually fly with this airfoil before the coordinates were published. Having said that, I've sent a few plots out for those who are on the fast track and need to get wings under way, so let me know when you need them, and what kind of spars you plan to use (stock or 8.5" tall that the new airfoil allows) and I'll send you a set. I haven't forgotten that I promised a free set to all who contributed to the wind tunnel tests, and that's still a good offer. Troy is glassing his wings this weekend, and only has engine work and painting left before he flies. Maybe only 2 or 3 months. If I were you though, I'd definitely go with the new one, but that's just me... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Work table From: JKM001@aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:44:34 EST X-Message-Number: 26 Can someone please tell me if my table on which i will build my fuselage sides need to be perfectly flat and level. I am having a time getting this accomplished. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated Regards Keith ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re:Work table From: Robert Covington Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 15:00:21 -0700 (MST) X-Message-Number: 27 >Can someone please tell me if my table on which i will build my fuselage sides >need to be perfectly flat and level. I am having a time getting this >accomplished. >Any help or suggestions would be appreciated > >Regards >Keith It helps and it better to be flat, but if you are just gluing verticals/diagonals and the like, you just need to make sure your longerons and verticals are laying flat in that particular area at the time. Use door shimming wedges (hardware store) to adjust underneath your tabletop and supports to get things more level. Use a 3 foot or so level to see how flat you are getting. If your table top is wavy between supports, add more supports, use a thicker plywood, or if not in humidity-ville, particle board. Particle board will be easier to make flat, and has the benefit of being smoother, generally. You can also knock off any glued jigs a lot easier. I would be using no less than 3/4" for any table top. Hope this helps some. Robert Covington ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Skinning the sides From: "Albert Pecoraro" Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:24:48 EST X-Message-Number: 28 KR-Netters, First, I would like to apologize for using this forum as a place to tell jokes. Now, for something completely serious and KR-related: Skinning the sides: is it better to skin the sides first and then bend them into the "boat" shape or is it better to bend the sides into the boat shape first and then skin the sides? Or does it make any difference at all? The first approach would seem easier than the second, but then I was thinking what would happen to the plywood as you try to bend the piece. Will it "stretch" as you bend the piece? Do you have to moisten it with steam first before stretching it? Or is it better to fit the skin to the side when it is in the "boat" shape? Which method saves more time? Which method is more reliable? I am awaiting the shipment of my spruce, which includes 2 completed panels but no skin. Should I go ahead and epoxy the belly cross-members and focus on skinning later or do it first? PLEASE, REPLY PRIVATE if you can because I have a feeling that there are going to be 2 sides here: the "Before" group and the "After" group. I don't want this topic to be a battle of opinions. I just want to receive as many opinions and insights as possible so I can evaluate them myself and arrive at my own conclusion. My tone isn't intended to be harsh ... it's just that I'm feeling guilty about the joke thing! ;-) Thanks. Albert Pecoraro apec97@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR3 From: Horn2004@aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:53:24 EST X-Message-Number: 29 In a message dated 1/13/99 3:03:29 PM, langford@hiwaay.net writes: <> The KR3 had a pylon mounted engine. First attempts at flight were off the water where it appeared to be greatly underpowered. No flights were made. Engine was upgraded and the water work resumed. The result of this, and prior to any flight of the aircraft, was a "mishap" (read crash) which completely destroyed the prototype. Ken Rand died not too long after (but not as a result of this "mishap") and the KR3 project was abandoned. One newsletter had a picture of the wreckage of the KR3. Was pretty ugly looking pile of pieces. Steve Horn horn2004@aol.com Dallas, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re:Work table From: "T.Flemming" Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:08:26 -0600 X-Message-Number: 30 >>Can someone please tell me if my table on which i will build my fuselage sides >>need to be perfectly flat and level. I am having a time getting this >>accomplished. >>Any help or suggestions would be appreciated >> >>Regards >>Keith > Hi Keith I made the mistake of having a slightly wavy table with my first fuselage side. The main problem that it caused was with the gussets. Since the gussets are so small they would fall down into the wavy area's of the table, but the diagonal and vertical pieces stayed fairly flush with the longerons (due to the pieces being so long and spaining over the dips in the table.) Even though the dips were only visible after putting the level on the table and looking to see if it was flush, they were enough to cause me to start on my third fuselage side. Which i started today. I finally got my Longeron back from Alpha Aviation. I had to return it because, about the last 3 foot of the it were severly out of square. You can see my mistakes and a little lengthier disscussion in regards to how i made my table at www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hall/9098 as well as Robert Covington's gusset clamp. I think Haris also mentioned a good idea for clamping gussets involving a Clothespin. Trent Flemming KR-2S mailto:tflemming@texramp.net >It helps and it better to be flat, but if you are just gluing >verticals/diagonals and the like, you just need to make sure your longerons >and verticals are laying flat in that particular area at the time. > >Use door shimming wedges (hardware store) to adjust underneath your >tabletop and supports to get things more level. Use a 3 foot or so level to >see how flat you are getting. > >If your table top is wavy between supports, add more supports, use a >thicker plywood, or if not in humidity-ville, particle board. Particle >board will be easier to make flat, and has the benefit of being smoother, >generally. You can also knock off any glued jigs a lot easier. > >I would be using no less than 3/4" for any table top. > >Hope this helps some. > >Robert Covington > > > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: tflemming@texramp.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Great Turbo soob installation pics From: Kr2dream@aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:28:44 EST X-Message-Number: 31 The radiator isn't installed yet. It will be in the forward lower section of the cowl beneath the engine. The radiator I have is 10.5" wide and 23" long. It has been successfully used with this configuration engine and has a god track record. Bob Lasecki Freezing in Chicago ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Great Turbo soob installation pics From: KRBLUCH@aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:05:14 EST X-Message-Number: 32 My radiator is about the same size, and lies horizontal at the bottom of the firewall. It cools great in that configuration. If I could have afforded it, I would have it made of aluminum. It would have been lighter and so would my wallet. Dave Blucher ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Spar Cap From: "T.Flemming" Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:10:02 -0600 X-Message-Number: 33 I noticed that the distance between Station D&E on the KR-2S fuselage side is 3 inches. The Forward Center Spar Cap is 2 inches wide before the plywood and after the plywood should be 2 6/32 not including any width the glue will add. This will leave a considerable gap between the vertical members D&E. Should this gap be filled in any way? I assume that the fuselage plywood skins should be cut to fit snugly around the spar. Next page 28 of the manual says fit and glue the 5/8 sq. glue blocks (8 each) to fuselage outer side skin and spar. See drawing no. 1. I only see on the drawing where it says 5/8 glue block in the top pic of the boat. I assum the these 5/8 pieces are evenly spaced around the spar and used to keep the spar from sliding back and forth through the fuselage. Thanks for any help. Trent Flemming www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hall/9098 mailto:tflemming@texramp.net P.S. If any of you fellows happen to like the RV and also happen to have the Van's Aircraft 1999 Calendar take a look at December. The picture is of my Uncle's RV-6a flying over Salt Lake. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Last Years Flyin Video From: "RONALD R. EASON" Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:16:51 -0600 X-Message-Number: 34 Has anyone recieved the video yet? I purchased one and haven't recieved my copy. Ron ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Work table thoughts From: BSHADR@aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:13:56 EST X-Message-Number: 35 Folks: Stop by your local Home Depot (or equal) and look at the light gauge galvanized metal studs. They are maybe 20-22 gauge in about 10' lengths (even longer from drywall supply outlets). The 6" stuff makes great, consistent longerons (for your table and not your KR) with regular 2X6's cut and attached for the cross blocking as needed. Use drywall screws to connect and add legs with 1X3 form stakes at 45 degrees two directions for each leg (4X4 or 2 - 2X4's attached together in an "L" configuration). Cover with smooth ply or particle board and finish the top with varnish. A coat of paste floor wax makes the top cleanup part easier. Simple, reasonably light and not too expensive. You can take it apart later and use the materials to build storage shelving or just take off the legs and stand the top along the wall until you need it to build your next project. The steel framing studs are the key. Man made, will not warp with reasonable supports and dead straight. Now to level the puppy…another problem. Depends how bad your floor is out. Wood shims and a dab of Bondo will level and stick the whole thing down. Bondo can be broken loose later when it is time to move the table. Randy Stein Soviet Monica, CA ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Wing Tanks From: CruzJ12@aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:42:39 EST X-Message-Number: 36 Do you have a part # for them tanks ? Or a dimension of the wing tanks ? Thanks ,Joe ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 2S Spars From: KRBLUCH@aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:28:31 EST X-Message-Number: 37 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_916277311_boundary Content-ID: <0_916277311@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Reply to Trent Flemming. From Dave Blucher N197DB Here's my opinion on your question. --part0_916277311_boundary Content-ID: <0_916277311@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: text/plain; name="SPARRE~1.TXT" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline =09According to the KR-2 drawing (page 19) , the main spar width is 2 5/= 32", plus 2 times 3/32" equals 2 11/32". Any gaps, fore, aft or bottom = should be be filled with shim stock. The KR-2S drawing W1 also gives the= spar dimention of 2 5/32" plus web thickness. The 5/8" blocks are evenly spaced as you suspected and they help tie the = spar loads to the skin. Dave Blucher --part0_916277311_boundary-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Skinning the sides From: "Austin Clark" Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:49:26 -0600 X-Message-Number: 38 -----Original Message----- From: Albert Pecoraro To: KR-net users group Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 4:25 PM Subject: [kr-net] Skinning the sides >KR-Netters, > >Skinning the sides: is it better to skin the sides first and then bend >them into the "boat" shape or is it better to bend the sides into the >boat shape first and then skin the sides? Or does it make any difference >at all? Albert, I framed my boat and then skinned it without a problem while others have skinned the sides before bending with apparently no problem. If you don't have help, it may be easier to skin them while they are still on the table. I think it really depends on how you want to do it. Austin Clark KR2S Pascagoula MS itac@datasync.com www.datasync.com/~itac ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: project/Web page update From: "Austin Clark" Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:24:07 -0600 X-Message-Number: 39 -----Original Message----- From: jeb@thuntek.net To: KR-net users group Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 2:17 PM Subject: [kr-net] project/Web page update > I changed the main photo to one showing my cowling >under construction. I'm building a male plug to use >to build a female mold. The plug is urathane foam >covered with plaster of paris (rough shaped) then >covered with superfill. I've got a 3 day weekend >coming up and hope to do the plug glass work. > I also added 2 photos under the weigh >in link. > >--- Good luck on your glass work! I glassed mine last Saturday and it turned out fine. Started at 9 AM and finished at 7:30 PM. The most amazing part of this is I did not get any epoxy in my hair nor between my elbows. Be sure to let us know how yours turns out. Austin Clark KR2S Pascagoula MS itac@datasync.com www.datasync.com/~itac ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re:Spar Cap From: Robert Covington Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:52:51 -0700 (MST) X-Message-Number: 40 >I noticed that the distance between Station D&E on the KR-2S fuselage side >is 3 inches. The Forward Center Spar Cap is 2 inches wide before the >plywood and after the plywood should be 2 6/32 not including any width the >glue will add. This will leave a considerable gap between the vertical >members D&E. >Trent Flemming Trent, is this 3 inches not supposed to be from the _front_ of the D to the front of the E? That would leave you with 5/8 less width, right where you want to be. Robert Covington ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Useless Facts Part Two Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:09:53 -0700 X-Message-Number: 41 Haris, I strongley dissagree with you and everyone that supports this kind of junk on a otherwise helpful net. You may not be like alot of us, its dark by 5:30pm, and not alot to do outside in the dark. We are probably in the garage, or hanger trying to figure out stuff that makes no sence from the construction manual. We then turn to the [kr-net] for help, and what do we find but somekind of nutty poet trying to be funny. Come on Haris whats the matter with you. If you want to see that kind of stuff go to the local library, I personally come the this site to learn something............................. Rod Kelso ---------- > From: HAshraf@aol.com > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] RE: Useless Facts Part Two Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 9:28 AM > > In a message dated 1/13/99 7:50:42 AM Pacific Standard Time, > ronald.freiberger@cwix.com writes: > > << If there's anything useful in here about KR2's, I couldn't find it. Maybe > a > humor-chat group would be a better forum. >> > > I would like to take an exception to this statement as I found the forum quite > useful. You need to understand that in winter time very few people are > actually building so there are no building questions and help needed. And, > therefore, the threads sometimes become a little long winded. > > Haris > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rbk@orci.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Useless Facts Part Two Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:28:33 -0500 X-Message-Number: 43 JKM001@aol.com wrote: > > Can someone please tell me if my table on which i will build my fuselage sides > need to be perfectly flat and level. I am having a time getting this > accomplished. > Any help or suggestions would be appreciated Make it as level as you possibly can. Get some shim stock from the hardware store or make a batch of pine wedges and place them as necessary. Drywall screws work very well. I made the legs level by using large diameter, short carriage bolts. I drilled a shallow hole in the bottom of each leg that was approximately the size of the nut, and them continued the hole with the diameter of the bolt. The leg rests on the nut and the leg is leveled by adjusting the bolt. The carriage bolt has a round head and works well as a leveling device. -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Skinning the sides From: Donald Reid Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:31:20 -0500 X-Message-Number: 44 Albert Pecoraro wrote: > Skinning the sides: is it better to skin the sides first and then bend > them into the "boat" shape or is it better to bend the sides into the > boat shape first and then skin the sides? Or does it make any difference I skinned them first, and then bend the fuselage. I think that way is easier. A lot of people do it the other way and don't have any trouble. Think about it for a little while, then go ahead and just do it. It will not make a great deal of difference. -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re:Spar Cap From: "T.Flemming" Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:47:35 -0600 X-Message-Number: 45 You are correct Robert. I totally forgot that little detail. I built the fuselage side correctly though thank goodness.. I guess I need to quite switching between projects here and concentrate on the KR. Trent >>I noticed that the distance between Station D&E on the KR-2S fuselage side >>is 3 inches. The Forward Center Spar Cap is 2 inches wide before the >>plywood and after the plywood should be 2 6/32 not including any width the >>glue will add. This will leave a considerable gap between the vertical >>members D&E. > >>Trent Flemming > > >Trent, is this 3 inches not supposed to be from the _front_ of the D to the >front of the E? That would leave you with 5/8 less width, right where you >want to be. > >Robert Covington > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: tflemming@texramp.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Skinning the sides From: KRBLUCH@aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:50:31 EST X-Message-Number: 46 Either way you will probably end up with some bow in the top longeron after forming. Don't worry about that so much, but ALWAYS use the same reference points when leveling the fuselage when mounting flight surfaces. Dave Blucher N197DB ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Work table From: HAshraf@aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 22:03:28 EST X-Message-Number: 47 In a message dated 1/13/99 1:50:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, JKM001@aol.com writes: << Can someone please tell me if my table on which i will build my fuselage sides need to be perfectly flat and level. I am having a time getting this accomplished. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated >> For the sides level the table with a regular bubble level and you should be fine. Once the plywood goes on, the side bend and bow anyway as the coefficient of expansion of spruce and ply (mahogany in my case) is different. I have seen my sides change shape with change of humidity also. For my table, I went to Home depot and borrowed a 72" level from their tools department. WhichI took it to the lumber section and used it to select the two straightest pieces of 12' 2x4 I could find. I screwed three 3/4" thick '2x4' particle board on to of the two 12 feet wood. Thus, I had a 2'x12' long table which I used for making the sides. when it is time to join the sides, a wider table is needed and to keep the fuselage square it should be pretty level across. It would not matter if it is not level lenghtwise as the fuselage sides bend upward in a wierd way once they take thier final shape. I used a machinest level which is accurate to 1/32" per 4 feet. I hope this helps. Haris ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Table From: jeroffey@tir.com (jeroffey) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 22:23:57 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Number: 48 One of the News Letters had a story by a builder who used the metal studs for his whole work table. I used this idea and bought 4 16 foot 2x6 metal studs for $13. from the local drywall supply house and used the regular 2x4 metal studs for legs by cutting notches in the two flanges and bending them into a U shape with the legs up and the cross piece on the floor. I spent about $50 bucks building the table including the particle board for the work surface. I have a friend who is a Commercial Interior contractor and he uses a gyro lazer level in his work, and he offered to help with the table construction as he does metal stud interiors all day and has the screw shooters to shoot the screws. The table is 4ft by 16ft and dead level and the spaces under the table are used to store the spruce untill it's needed. If a detailed explanation of the construction is need by anyone just starting to build, E-Mail me of the list and I'll give you a discription. John Roffey jeroffey@tir.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Work table From: KRBLUCH@aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 22:25:21 EST X-Message-Number: 49 Flat is nice because ripples built into fuselage sides will show in the finished product. Level is critical if the table top is used as a reference for things like setting dihedral in spars. Dave Blucher N197DB ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KR3 From: Gordon Brimhall Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:26:05 -0800 X-Message-Number: 50 Just some more information I gathered It did get off the water, and it crashed on land moments later. My initial reaction was instability due to the flooding and slow draining of the front wheel well. The shape of the well was like a scoop inside. Stu and Ken seemed to dismiss the idea. Consider the remark about control reversal. A 60 pound change in ballast and possibly an incorrect thrust line would appear that way. Gordon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Useless Facts Part Two > <> Rod, I am sorry if I offended you in any way. Mybe the use of the word 'exception' was uncalled for. I assure you that I did not mean to imply anything from it. My experience is this: if I have any questions or problem, I will post it on the net and someone will provide a workable solution, usually in a day. For that I find the net very useful and accept the fact that sometime threads do become a little boring and out of context. Haris Ashraf ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Jokes - NOT! From: HAshraf@aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 22:37:26 EST X-Message-Number: 52 In a message dated 1/13/99 11:42:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, BSHADR@aol.c= om writes: << KRNetheads: Pleazzzzzze do not post jokes on KRNet. I enjoy 'em thoroughly - not everyone does. Many of us get too many kes too much behind-the-scenes email efforts to get the good aviation guys back, if at all=85 Randy Stein >> Is it still OK to post progress reports? Haris ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Last Years Flyin Video From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:53:54 -0800 X-Message-Number: 53 I e-mailed Video Bob last week and asked the same question. He has been held up on all but some very short videos by some equipment problems. It isn't that he hasn't been trying to get the equipment fixed, but there have been numerous technical difficultites. I can assure you though, Video Bob will come through just as soon as he can get his equipment fixed. Nobody feels worse about the tapes being so late as a professional like Video Bob. Jeff On Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:16:51 -0600 "RONALD R. EASON" writes: >Has anyone recieved the video yet? I purchased one and haven't >recieved my >copy. > >Ron > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jscott.pilot@juno.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Skinning the sides From: MARVIN MCCOY Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:54:50 -0800 X-Message-Number: 54 Albert Pecoraro wrote: > is it better to skin the sides first and then bend > them into the "boat" shape or is it better to bend the sides into the > boat shape first and then skin the sides? Or does it make any difference ------------- I think it is easier to skin the boat after it is put together. Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field ------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Skinning the sides From: Allan Horne Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 22:22:23 -0500 X-Message-Number: 55 I skinned the sides first and had no problems making the boat.It came into shape with very little effort. Allan Horne MARVIN MCCOY wrote: > Albert Pecoraro wrote: > > > is it better to skin the sides first and then bend > > them into the "boat" shape or is it better to bend the sides into the > > boat shape first and then skin the sides? Or does it make any difference > > ------------- > > I think it is easier to skin the boat after it is put together. > > Marvin McCoy > Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field > > ------------------- > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: ahorne@telusplanet.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Altimeter From: Douglas Dorfmeier Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:32:22 -0800 X-Message-Number: 56 If I fly with a GPS that displays altitude am I still required to have an altimeter? Doug Dorfmeier Concord, Calif. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Work table From: "w.g. kirkland" Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 00:46:23 -0500 X-Message-Number: 57 Try using metal studs to frame the table. Most of the 2x4s you buy have more warp than a starship. ---------- From: Donald Reid To: KR-net users group Subject: [kr-net] Re: Work table Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 9:28 PM JKM001@aol.com wrote: > > Can someone please tell me if my table on which i will build my fuselage sides > need to be perfectly flat and level. I am having a time getting this > accomplished. > Any help or suggestions would be appreciated Make it as level as you possibly can. Get some shim stock from the hardware store or make a batch of pine wedges and place them as necessary. Drywall screws work very well. I made the legs level by using large diameter, short carriage bolts. I drilled a shallow hole in the bottom of each leg that was approximately the size of the nut, and them continued the hole with the diameter of the bolt. The leg rests on the nut and the leg is leveled by adjusting the bolt. The carriage bolt has a round head and works well as a leveling device. -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: kirkland@vianet.on.ca To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: New airfoils From: "w.g. kirkland" Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 01:04:17 -0500 X-Message-Number: 58 Mark. I've completed the wing stubs and my spars are as per the KR2 except that I've put webbing on both sides a la KR2S. Is it possible to adapt the new airfoil to the KR2 spars? ---------- From: Mark Langford To: KR-net users group Subject: [kr-net] Re: New airfoils Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 10:36 AM Rex Ellington wrote: >Have I missed something, or has there been a dearth of >information on the new airfoil test work and/or aircraft >trials since October?? I'll let Steve Eberhart comment on this, but we were waiting for Troy Petteway to actually fly with this airfoil before the coordinates were published. Having said that, I've sent a few plots out for those who are on the fast track and need to get wings under way, so let me know when you need them, and what kind of spars you plan to use (stock or 8.5" tall that the new airfoil allows) and I'll send you a set. I haven't forgotten that I promised a free set to all who contributed to the wind tunnel tests, and that's still a good offer. Troy is glassing his wings this weekend, and only has engine work and painting left before he flies. Maybe only 2 or 3 months. If I were you though, I'd definitely go with the new one, but that's just me... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: kirkland@vianet.on.ca To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Altimeter From: "w.g. kirkland" Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 01:30:12 -0500 X-Message-Number: 59 Douglas The altitude readout on a GPS is not near as accurate as a sensitive altimeter. At least not unless u have a better GPS than most. It also has a lot of lag. The simple answer is yes you need a sensitive altimeter. It is classified as a basic flight instrument. Bill Kirkland ---------- From: Douglas Dorfmeier To: KR-net users group Subject: [kr-net] Altimeter Date: Thursday, January 14, 1999 12:32 AM If I fly with a GPS that displays altitude am I still required to have an altimeter? Doug Dorfmeier Concord, Calif. --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: kirkland@vianet.on.ca To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com