From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 12:10 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: January 19, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Tuesday, January 19, 1999. 1. Bump stops and spacers 2. Re:16 % airfoils 3. Re: Sassafrass 4. RE:sandable foam 5. Re: do NOT hotwire the sandable foam 6. Re:16 % airfoils and h/s incidence 7. Re: retractable gear, wing incidence 8. Re: canopy installation 9. Re: Tough Decision 10. Re: Bump stops and spacers 11. Re: Tough Decision 12. Re: Bump stops and spacers 13. Re: canopy installation 14. Re: canopy installation 15. Re: Wing Tanks 16. Rand Robinson Wing Stubs 17. Re: Firewall 18. Re: Firewall 19. Re: Rand Robinson Wing Stubs 20. RE:sandable foam 21. RE: plywood 22. Re: Rand Robinson Wing Stubs 23. Re: Rand Robinson Wing Stubs 24. Website 25. Website 26. Re: Website ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Bump stops and spacers From: "bennett family" Date: Tue, 19 Jan 99 14:47:48 PST X-Message-Number: 1 G'day Doug The bumpstops are not part of the spring bar, but attached to the mainsp= ar. They are shaped to slip over the main spar from the bottom like = a square bottomed U. Off the front face of the "U" is welded a flange = and side braces which hold the bump rubber, which is what the end of the= spring bar will bump onto. Mounting is achieved with one bolt per asse= mbly passing through the hollow part of the spar and both FWD and aft fac= es of the "U" with an anti squash tube over the bolt between the inner = faces of the U to pevent crush on the shear web. Also just to clarify, the spacers are between the main gear leg castings= and the spring bar. A KR builder over on the east coast of Australia = had his spacers machined as wedges so the gear legs canted inwards, when = the aeroplane was heavy the gear legs are not splayed. The bumpstops = are his idea as well, he has been flying it for some time without inciden= t as far as I know. Good luck Malcolm bennett ( Adelaide) P.S I hope this is not too confusing ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re:16 % airfoils From: "Richard Parker" Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 02:54:04 PST X-Message-Number: 2 >if you >haven't mounted the rear spar yet, just hold off. If you have it is easily >removed and repositioned. What about those of us who have already fixed our horizontal stab? does the incidence have to change? Sorry if this is a repeat Rich Parker richontheroad@hotmail.com http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm Jaffrey, NH ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Sassafrass From: "Richard Parker" Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 03:00:47 PST X-Message-Number: 3 I prefer orange pekoe or earl gray. It has a calming effect that enables me to focus while I'm working on critical parts. ;-) Rich >I am curious if anyone has ever heard of using Sassafras as a suppliment to >spruce? If so, please tell me your opinions. > >Regards >Keith > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: richontheroad@hotmail.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE:sandable foam From: "Richard Parker" Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 03:10:55 PST X-Message-Number: 4 >The hotwirable foam does not sand well..is often blue or whitish. >Hotwiring is fun. Someone else here did hotwire his wing foam. >They are basically solid with some portions cut out internally. >I suspect that his wing will be rigid and strong with minimal >extra weight. I actually like sanding the hotwireable foam. I like hotwiring it as well. No it doesnt sand as easy (by hand) as it sands much slower. However I use a palm sander and dont have to worry about going too deep taking too much off. I let the sander do the work and I can focus on the finish and the contour. Rich Parker ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: do NOT hotwire the sandable foam From: Ross Youngblood Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 04:15:43 -0800 X-Message-Number: 5 Cyanide Gas. Could be that death row patients could hot wire Urethane foam wings, but otherwise, don't hot-wire Urethane. Styrofoam is OK. -- Ross Ron Lee wrote: > > >With the shape of new airfoil would cutting of foam with a hot wire be > >preferable to sanding? If so, does the foam later need to be disolved > >to make room for other things such as wing tanks, cables and wiring? > > The sandable foam is usually urethane. if you hotwire it, it reportedly > releases a poisonous gas. > > DO NOT HOTWIRE URETHANE FOAM > > The hotwirable foam does not sand well..is often blue or whitish. > Hotwiring is fun. Someone else here did hotwire his wing foam. > They are basically solid with some portions cut out internally. > I suspect that his wing will be rigid and strong with minimal > extra weight. > > Ron Lee > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@saber.slb.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 Corvallis,Oregon mailto:rossy@saber.slb.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re:16 % airfoils and h/s incidence From: "Mark Langford" Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 06:32:33 -0000 X-Message-Number: 6 Rich Parker wrote: >What about those of us who have already fixed our horizontal stab? does >the incidence have to change? Ideally, you'd want the horizontal stabilizer to be about 1 degree negative, to keep decalage (number of degrees difference between horizontal stab and root wing incidence) to about 2 degrees. I suppose if you wanted to leave your horizontal stab at the stock 0 degree angle, you could mount your wing with a 2 degree incidence and use the same 3 degree washout to the tip and accomplish the same goal. The only difference is that the fuselage would fly one degree more nose down than otherwise. Of course that can't be as bad as 2.5 degrees nose down, like stock KR2s are now. You could be the first to prove that it works, but you'd be on your own there. All stability work that's been done on the KR2S using the new airfoil has used the wing root at 1 degree, and horizontal stab at -1, but that's not to say that's the only way it'll work. Hey, that's why they call it experimental! And look how many KR2s are flying... I went to Columbia Tennessee the other night to see Troy Petteway. He was finishing up glassing his wings, which use the AS5046 16% airfoil on a stock KR but using KR2S planform (slightly longer with 33" outer rib rather than 36"). There's a picture of it at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/troy/99011816.jpg . He'll be on the net in a few days and I'll let him tell you about it. We had also kicked around putting an asymmetric airfoil on the tail that would provide more downforce, but I don't think I want to go there. Like the discussion on ripping out main spars for inspection purposes that we had last week, I don't think I'd rip out my horizontal stab just to chance the incidence one degree. Structural integrity would suffer, not to mention time consuming reconstruction of the fairing area. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: retractable gear, wing incidence From: Donald Reid Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 08:49:53 -0500 X-Message-Number: 7 Ron Freiberger wrote: > 0 Does anyone know if the higher > incidence was perhaps intended so you could three-point the plane on the > retracts without hitting the tailwheel too soon? That may have been a consideration, but I have come to suspect that the original design speed was slower than the actual. -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: canopy installation From: Jonpegr1@aol.com Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:22:02 EST X-Message-Number: 8 Kr Builders, I'm in the process of mounting my header tank and forward deck to be removable (all premolds) on my kr2s. Has anyone mounted the canopy on a side hinge? Or know of an opiton that would work well, instead of mounting the hinges to the header tank. Jon Dawson Charleston SC. jonpegr1@aol.com monting forward deck & canopy now ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Tough Decision From: rdewees@juno.com Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:03:15 -0500 X-Message-Number: 9 Dear Netters.. I have come to a tough decision regarding completion of my projects at least partially because I have lost accesss to a hangar that I expected to be available for storage when I completed the plane. I think I am going to go with a metal project that can take the weather better than the KR . I don't have the patience to wait 5 years or more for a hangar in the Atlanta area and pay upwards of $300 a month when/if it does come available. Hope one of you guys will have more time or resources to complete a KR than I do. I am selling the following: 2 KR2 projects on retracts thru boat stage. Both have controls mounted and all aluminum parts completed, tail and rudder glassed on one plus wings built but not glassed . Wing spars completed for the other project, dynel cloth,lots of wood and brown foam, and a set of Diehl gear in the box. New HAPI 1834 cc motor on it's shipping pallet with new wood prop, exhaust, and motor mount. Also have plans and 10 years of newsletters. Kits include two fiberglass nose cowls, canopy, and one top cowl with integral header tank. Bob Muse Senior looked at both and raised a question about the plywood on one project, but the other is definitely AC quality and well constructed. I paid $5000 for the package and have bought the Diehl gear since then. Would appreciate best offer. I would like to clear the workspace to start on a Titan Tornado or some such mostly metal project since I am keeping my Jabiru 80 hp motor. Trades considered. Please reply directly to me at rdewees@juno.com or call me at 404-876-3481 Ron DeWees Atlanta, Ga ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Bump stops and spacers From: "Doug Peyton" Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 08:29:02 PST X-Message-Number: 10 To Malcom Bennet: The past few days I have been carefully grinding down the large brackets (aluminum extrusions attached to front face of main spar) so that the spring bar may rotate further, and thereby making the wheels extend further forward. Its an extremely tedious process, but I've moved the wheels forward about 2" now. My next concern is that the spring bar is now angled backwards when the gear are extended; if it were to flex to the surface of the top of the wing, it would just miss the main spar shear web. However, the inner wing RIB is held in place against the front face of the main spar by two 5/8" square vertical pieces of spruce (about 7" long). So in a hard landing, the spring bar will now hit these vertical pieces. Anyway, what I'm leading up to is I think anything the spring bar hits will be crushed. I have about 1-1/4" between my spring bar and the main spar, and about 5/8" between the spring bar and the vertical pieces. (Although the vertical pieces are considerably closer to the center.) My question is, is your spring bar angled towards your main spar, and what is the distance between your spring bar and the front face of your main spar? Hey, Isn't Adilaide somewhere in Australia? Kindest Regards, Doug Peyton. >To: "KR-net users group" >From: "bennett family" >Subject: [kr-net] Bump stops and spacers >Date: Tue, 19 Jan 99 14:47:48 PST >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" > >G'day Doug > The bumpstops are not part of the spring bar, but attached to the mainsp= >ar. They are shaped to slip over the main spar from the bottom like = >a square bottomed U. Off the front face of the "U" is welded a flange = >and side braces which hold the bump rubber, which is what the end of the= > spring bar will bump onto. Mounting is achieved with one bolt per asse= >mbly passing through the hollow part of the spar and both FWD and aft fac= >es of the "U" with an anti squash tube over the bolt between the inner = >faces of the U to pevent crush on the shear web. > Also just to clarify, the spacers are between the main gear leg castings= > and the spring bar. A KR builder over on the east coast of Australia = >had his spacers machined as wedges so the gear legs canted inwards, when = >the aeroplane was heavy the gear legs are not splayed. The bumpstops = >are his idea as well, he has been flying it for some time without inciden= >t as far as I know. >Good luck Malcolm bennett ( Adelaide) >P.S I hope this is not too confusing > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: doug_peyton@hotmail.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Tough Decision From: "Robert Sauer" Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:43:42 -0600 X-Message-Number: 11 What do you want for the Diehl gear and waht kind is it tri-gear or tail? Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: bounce-kr-net-28322@telelists.com > [mailto:bounce-kr-net-28322@telelists.com]On Behalf Of rdewees@juno.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 1999 8:03 AM > To: KR-net users group > Cc: kr-net@telelists.com > Subject: [kr-net] Re: Tough Decision > > > > Dear Netters.. > I have come to a tough decision regarding completion of my projects at > least partially because I have lost accesss to a hangar that I expected > to be available for storage when I completed the plane. I think I am > going to go with a metal project that can take the weather better than > the KR . I don't have the patience to wait 5 years or more for a hangar > in the Atlanta area and pay upwards of $300 a month when/if it does come > available. Hope one of you guys will have more time or resources to > complete a KR than I do. I am selling the following: > > 2 KR2 projects on retracts thru boat stage. Both have controls mounted > and all aluminum parts completed, tail and rudder glassed on one plus > wings built but not glassed . Wing spars completed for the other project, > dynel cloth,lots of wood and brown foam, and a set of Diehl gear in the > box. New HAPI 1834 cc motor on it's shipping pallet with new wood prop, > exhaust, and motor mount. Also have plans and 10 years of newsletters. > Kits include two fiberglass nose cowls, canopy, and one top cowl with > integral header tank. > Bob Muse Senior looked at both and raised a question about the plywood > on one project, but the other is definitely AC quality and well > constructed. > I paid $5000 for the package and have bought the Diehl gear since then. > Would appreciate best offer. I would like to clear the workspace to > start on a Titan Tornado or some such mostly metal project since I am > keeping my Jabiru 80 hp motor. Trades considered. > > Please reply directly to me at rdewees@juno.com or call me at > 404-876-3481 > > Ron DeWees > Atlanta, Ga > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: resauer@totalaccess.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Bump stops and spacers From: Donald Reid Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:10:55 -0500 X-Message-Number: 12 Doug Peyton wrote: > > However, the inner wing RIB is held in place > against the front face of the main spar by two 5/8" square vertical > pieces of spruce (about 7" long). So in a hard landing, the spring bar > will now hit these vertical pieces. Have you considered mounting the inner rib to the fuselage with some spruce scrap tapered to the angle of the fuselage, so that the rib is vertical? You may get more clearance that way. -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: canopy installation From: DClarke351@aol.com Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:11:45 EST X-Message-Number: 13 Yes I mounted my forward deck on hinges. One on each side. I can get to all the wiring, instruments from one side and all the flight instruments on the other. The hinge is the extruded alu type. All I have to do is pull the pin on one side or the other depending on which side I need to gain access to or I can lift the entire thing off in a matter of minutes. The canopy is hinge mounted on the front. I simply pull that hinge and put the canopy back a few inches to get it out of the way of the front deck. When I lift the deck it kinda looks like an old car hood and I prop it up with a piece of foam block. My fuel gauge is mounted through the top of the deck forward of the bubble and the fuel line is flexible from the tank to a panel mounted valve. When it is in the installed position I have 5 machine screws holding the front down into nut plates. The setup is extremely efficient and yes the plane is flying. Don Clarke ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: canopy installation From: DClarke351@aol.com Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:12:37 EST X-Message-Number: 14 Oh by the way, if you want a drawing call me at 915-755-0588 (El Paso) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Wing Tanks From: DClarke351@aol.com Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:17:34 EST X-Message-Number: 15 I talked again with the people down at TEAM Co. They say the tank is made of polyethelene the same kind of material used in marine type of applications. Don Clarke ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Rand Robinson Wing Stubs From: Douglas Dorfmeier Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:39:07 -0800 X-Message-Number: 16 I have new set of Rand Robinson Wing Stub Skins that I plan on selling. They are premolded for the KR2S. They Consist of four pieces (2 tops and 2 bottoms) They can be used with the wing skins sold by Dan Diehl. I have decided to go with the new wing design. I paid $750 plus tax and shipping which totaled $859.13. I will sell them for $650 and will pay the freight as long as the ship to point is in the U.S. Doug Dorfmeier Concord, Ca. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Firewall From: Peter Hudson Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:17:42 -0800 X-Message-Number: 17 While we're on the firewall issue... I want to point out a small correction. Tony Bingalis' book "firewall forward" actually has this to say about aluminum firewalls: This is in reference to fiberfrax a 2300F capable ceramic insulator which he says is considered as effective a barrier as stainless steel...but fragile. [quote] "The technique for using it seems to have been standarized as follows: The layer of asbestos [snip] is omitted. Instead a layer of fiberfrax is attached to the firewall and overlaid with a .016" sheet of 2024-t3 aluminum to protect it." He says the aluminum is deficient alone, but the fiberfrax provides the barrier. The aluminum just protects it from everyday abuse and abrasion. Just another opinion? -Peter Hudson- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Firewall From: Mike Mims Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:59:53 -0800 X-Message-Number: 18 Peter Hudson wrote: > < barrier. The aluminum just protects it from everyday abuse and > abrasion. Just another opinion?>>> > Yeah Peter I was gonna mention this but the retaliation factor here on the net is a little higher than normal. Aluminum is great for firewalls as long as you have fiberfax behind it. Also someone mentioned using .022 stainless steel. This is WAY to thick if you use the stainless that RR supplies as a base. The SS from RR is paper thin and comes rolled up in a tube. Anything thicker is considerably heavier than it need be. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Rand Robinson Wing Stubs From: Mike Mims Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:07:37 -0800 X-Message-Number: 19 Douglas Dorfmeier wrote: <<< I paid $750 plus tax and shipping which totaled $859.13. >>>> I don't want to sound like a jerk but WOW that's a lot of money for stub wings! I think I completely built both of my wings (hot wired blue foam technique with 3 layers of uni directional glass and 2 gal kits of EZ-poxy) for a little more than half that. I had no idea RR was selling wings skins at that price. Is it me or does the pricing seem a little out of whack? What is the going price for the entire (stubs and outer wings) KR2S wing from RR? -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE:sandable foam From: Mike Mims Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:11:03 -0800 X-Message-Number: 20 Richard Parker wrote: > << easy (by hand) as it sands much slower. >>> I have to agree with Rich, once you get the hang of sanding the blue foam it is much easier than working with urethane. Carving out my cowling and wing tips was a piece of cake and I honestly believe I would have had to make three or four attempts to get it right with urethane. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: plywood From: Ron Freiberger Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 23:09:40 -0500 X-Message-Number: 21 In the AS&S catalog they have basswood plywood. They say it is built to the same mil spec Same glue quality and processing doen't make it suitable, but some applications may not need full strength. On another posting, there are questions about sasafrass, etcetra. Any wood can be used IF you DESIGN accordingly. Sitka Spuce has the higest strength to weight ratio, so it takes fewer pounds to build an airplane. Sitka spruce is harvested very carefully to insure freedom from compression Fractures, which occur when a tree is toppled to the ground with not much care about the felling process. You can go even futher with this thought if you tensile test each piece you want to use in a critical area. But, whatr a pain! . ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Rand Robinson Wing Stubs From: "Dean Collette" Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 23:00:41 -0600 X-Message-Number: 22 Mike, I think the price for the entire set - stub wings, outboard wings and ailerons goes for $4200. Dean >What is the going price for the entire (stubs and outer wings) KR2S wing >from RR? > > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now >mailto:mikemims@home.com >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >Aliso Viejo Ca >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: drdean@execpc.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Rand Robinson Wing Stubs From: Douglas Dorfmeier Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 21:09:06 -0800 X-Message-Number: 23 Mike Mims wrote: > > Douglas Dorfmeier wrote: > > <<< I paid $750 plus tax and shipping which totaled $859.13. >>>> > > I don't want to sound like a jerk but WOW that's a lot of money for stub > wings! I think I completely built both of my wings (hot wired blue foam > technique with 3 layers of uni directional glass and 2 gal kits of EZ-poxy) > for a little more than half that. I had no idea RR was selling wings skins > at that price. Is it me or does the pricing seem a little out of whack? > What is the going price for the entire (stubs and outer wings) KR2S wing > from RR? > > -- > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > Micheal Mims > SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now > mailto:mikemims@home.com > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > Aliso Viejo Ca > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: doug.dorfmeier@worldnet.att.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com Mike, If you buy the entire group, Rand Robinson's price is $4,200 plus shipping and handling. They are however, excellent quality with glass over honeycomb. I was planning on going with Dan Diehl's wing kit which does not include the wing stubs. Dan sells his wing skins for $1500. Doug Dorfmeier Concord, Calif. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Website From: "Dean Collette" Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 23:14:46 -0600 X-Message-Number: 24 Netters, Ever since the pictures of my fuselage were put up on Mark's web page, I have had lots of people asking questions. Suffice it to say, I am doing things a little different. To make things a little easier to visualize I have put together a web site. You can check it out at http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/home.htm I have also tried to include some of the things that I have found to make the job of building an airplane a little easier, a little safer, and a little less expensive. To answer the next question that inevitably comes along - No, I won't sell plans for this fuselage or tail until they have been proven in the air. And No, the dimensions are not the same as the KR-2S. Dean mailto:drdean@execpc.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Website From: Mike Mims Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:15:36 -0800 X-Message-Number: 25 Well when I headed out to clean up the hanger and get ready for the new year someone stopped by to see the Pig and took a few pictures. They were kind enough to email them to me so I posted them on the net. You can see them @ http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/1999.html -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Website From: "Rod Kelso" Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 23:37:44 -0700 X-Message-Number: 26 Hey Dean. Woo, im going to scrap my KR2 and start all over with your set up. What a great project you have. I LIKE IT A LOT. I wish I had dreams like yours. Be prowd of your accomplishments they are great. Cant wait for more up dates. In the morning im headed for the insulation companys, going out and buy me a steamer, and order another bundle of sitka and get started. EVERYONE NEEDS TO SEE THIS WEB SITE AND BOOKMARK IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good luck Dean, Rod Kelso rbk@orci.com Colorado ---------- > From: Dean Collette > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Website > Date: Tuesday, January 19, 1999 10:14 PM > > Netters, > > Ever since the pictures of my fuselage were put up on Mark's web page, I > have had lots of people asking questions. Suffice it to say, I am doing > things a little different. To make things a little easier to visualize I > have put together a web site. You can check it out at > http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/home.htm > > I have also tried to include some of the things that I have found to make > the job of building an airplane a little easier, a little safer, and a > little less expensive. > > To answer the next question that inevitably comes along - No, I won't sell > plans for this fuselage or tail until they have been proven in the air. And > No, the dimensions are not the same as the KR-2S. > > Dean > mailto:drdean@execpc.com > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rbk@orci.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com