From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 1999 12:13 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: January 20, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Wednesday, January 20, 1999. 1. Re: Rand Robinson Wing Stubs 2. Re: Rand Robinson Wing Stubs 3. The Doctor is in 4. Templates for the new UIUC airfoils 5. Re: Tough Decision 6. Re: Smaller alternative airfiol 7. Re: Templates for the new UIUC airfoils 8. Plans For Sale 9. Re: Accident reports 10. Re: Rand Robinson Wing Stubs 11. Re: Tough Decision 12. Re: Templates for the new UIUC airfoils ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Rand Robinson Wing Stubs From: "RONALD R.EASON" Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 07:06:05 -0800 X-Message-Number: 1 How much would you have paid yourself to build those wing stubs? Then re-exanine the cost. At 08:07 PM 1/19/99 -0800, you wrote: Douglas Dorfmeier wrote: > ><<< I paid $750 plus tax and shipping which totaled $859.13. >>>> > >I don't want to sound like a jerk but WOW that's a lot of money for stub >wings! I think I completely built both of my wings (hot wired blue foam >technique with 3 layers of uni directional glass and 2 gal kits of EZ-poxy) >for a little more than half that. I had no idea RR was selling wings skins >at that price. Is it me or does the pricing seem a little out of whack? >What is the going price for the entire (stubs and outer wings) KR2S wing >from RR? > > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now >mailto:mikemims@home.com >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >Aliso Viejo Ca >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jrlkc@mindspring.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Rand Robinson Wing Stubs From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 08:13:29 EST X-Message-Number: 2 In a message dated 1/20/99 8:05:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, jrlkc@mindspring.com writes: << How much would you have paid yourself to build those wing stubs? >> If you want too, you could build them in a weekend. All told probably 10-12 hours, max without root fillets. Dana http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: The Doctor is in From: "Oscar Zuniga" Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 06:12:27 PST X-Message-Number: 3 Okay, Netters I have been trying very hard to mind the rules and not "me too" or "dittos" on posts, but this one is worth repeating if you haven't already seen it- do take the time to visit Dr. Dean's website. This makes 1,000 marginally useful posts worth wading through. I think the good Doctor is breaking important new ground in KR construction techniques, and got my attention. Go there. Oscar Zuniga my website at http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/ Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Templates for the new UIUC airfoils From: Steven Eberhart Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 09:45:27 -0600 (CST) X-Message-Number: 4 The following email was sent to the email addresses I have for the airfoil fund contributors. It is not an all inclusive list and some of the email addresses have changed. To make sure that I have a complete list, with mailing addresses for all of the contributors, please send me via private email, your current mailing address and email address if you have made contributions to the fund. We are ready to start mailing out templates for the new wing to contributors and want to insure that all that have contributed receive their templates. Steve Eberhart ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 09:09:15 -0600 (CST) From: Steven Eberhart To: NLF airfoil contributors , bmsi@ix.netcom.com, BSHADR@aol.com, eaglegator@aol.com, ellingto@gslan.offsys.ou.edu, jeroffey@tir.com, jesch@cyberis.net, kencor@cneti.com, langford@hiwaay.net, patri63@ibm.net, R.H.Mole@open.ac.uk, ronlee@pcisys.net, rossy@teleport.com, taildrags@hotmail.com, tjohnson@wyle.com Subject: Templates for the new UIUC airfoils Mark Langford has generously offered to make a set of airfoil templates for each of the airfoil fund contributors. Well, we are ready to make those templates and get them sent to all of the airfoil fund contributors. Please email me privately and include your current mailing address and also indicate if you want the 16% airfoil that was designed to use the stock KR spars or the 18% root and 15% tip airfoils that require a deeper spar. I will also be posting this to KRnet as I don't have everyone's email address at this time. These airfoils were designed by Dr. Michael Selig and Ashok at the University of Illinois. The AS5045 (15%) airfoil and the AS5048 (18% airfoil were wind tunnel tested this Fall in the University's low speed wind tunnel, using the wind tunnel models I constructed. THe contributions you made to the fund paid for the wind tunnel tests and for the construction of the wind tunnel models. THe wind tunnel tests confirmed the computer analysis of the airfoils, performed by Mark Lougheed. As I understand it, the University will be placing these airfoils in the public domain after the flight tests of Troy Petteway's KR-2 which uses the AS5046 (16% airfoil). Thanks to everyone that contributed to the airfoil fund. We now have a family of modern laminar flow airfoils to take KR class aircraft into the 21st Century. THis project is a example of how the internet can be used to benefit a large number of people. It will be interresting to see all of the places these airfoils show up Steve Eberhart ------------------------------------- http://www.newtech.com/nlf One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly food for thought and is in no way intended to imply that it is anything more than ideas requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Tough Decision From: "R.W. Moore" Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:43:44 -0500 X-Message-Number: 5 Come to Toccoa Ga and share a hanger with me and my KR 1. We have space and the rent would not be any where near $300.00 a month. R. W. Moore -----Original Message----- From: rdewees@juno.com To: KR-net users group Cc: kr-net@telelists.com Date: Tuesday, January 19, 1999 11:03 AM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Tough Decision > >Dear Netters.. >I have come to a tough decision regarding completion of my projects at >least partially because I have lost accesss to a hangar that I expected >to be available for storage when I completed the plane. I think I am >going to go with a metal project that can take the weather better than >the KR . I don't have the patience to wait 5 years or more for a hangar >in the Atlanta area and pay upwards of $300 a month when/if it does come >available. Hope one of you guys will have more time or resources to >complete a KR than I do. I am selling the following: > >2 KR2 projects on retracts thru boat stage. Both have controls mounted >and all aluminum parts completed, tail and rudder glassed on one plus >wings built but not glassed . Wing spars completed for the other project, >dynel cloth,lots of wood and brown foam, and a set of Diehl gear in the >box. New HAPI 1834 cc motor on it's shipping pallet with new wood prop, >exhaust, and motor mount. Also have plans and 10 years of newsletters. >Kits include two fiberglass nose cowls, canopy, and one top cowl with >integral header tank. > Bob Muse Senior looked at both and raised a question about the plywood >on one project, but the other is definitely AC quality and well >constructed. > I paid $5000 for the package and have bought the Diehl gear since then. >Would appreciate best offer. I would like to clear the workspace to >start on a Titan Tornado or some such mostly metal project since I am >keeping my Jabiru 80 hp motor. Trades considered. > >Please reply directly to me at rdewees@juno.com or call me at >404-876-3481 > >Ron DeWees >Atlanta, Ga >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rwmoore@alltel.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Smaller alternative airfiol From: "george robertson" Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 00:01:50 -0800 X-Message-Number: 6 hi tom i'm going to use a laminar airfoil designed by harry riblett. you can find an add for his publication in the back of sport aviation. george -----Original Message----- From: Tom Rehl To: KR-net users group Date: Friday, January 15, 1999 6:36 AM Subject: [kr-net] Smaller alternative airfiol >Has anyone considered an alternative laminar flow airfoil for an aircraft the size of a KR-1? I've been rather silent other than the Celotex question, but I'm building a unique aircraft. I'm building a hummelbird out of glass, foam, and wood, from hummelbird designs. It uses a rather bland airfoil, and I think that performance could be increased with a more modern airfoil. I think the airfoil that are used in it's plans are about 35 years old or so. > >It has a 21' span, weighs about 280 lbs dry, runs off of a 30-40 hp 1/2 vw...etc... > >I'm following this mailing list for the incredible knowloedge base you have amassed. Any help would be appriciated. > >- T > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: grobertson@tdn.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Templates for the new UIUC airfoils From: Jaccoo@aol.com Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 12:04:15 EST X-Message-Number: 7 Steve Do you know when Troy Petteway's KR will fly, and how long it will take for performance analysis before the new airfoil becomes public domain? Are the techniques for building the new wing be the same as per rand instructions? When will the templates be available for non-contributors to buy and at what cost? Thanks. Jack PS Just got my KR-2S plans yesterday. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Plans For Sale From: "Robert Sauer" Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 12:21:11 -0600 X-Message-Number: 8 I have an extra set of plans KR2+KR2S supplement and the manual for sale. I am asking $190 postpaid in the USA. These plans are complete will all updates and never have been used. RR approves the transfer of this set of plans. Please spread the word. Thanks, Bob ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Accident reports From: RCPRO55555@aol.com Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:38:14 EST X-Message-Number: 9 hi guys this is my first we had a kr1 go down at the little airport i flew out of and lost a pilot the plane was not built by the pilot he had bought it from a wife of the builder who had passed away the plane had carb problems and the guys at the airport told the new owner should get it fixed before he flew it well he dident end of story ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Rand Robinson Wing Stubs From: Mike Mims Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:05:53 -0800 X-Message-Number: 10 "RONALD R.EASON" wrote: > << re-exanine the cost.>>> Well you got to remember I am the anti-prefaber! I have always believed if you cant build it yourself (from scratch) you shouldn't be able to register it as a homebuilt. But that aside I think $1000 would be about right. So what this tells me is Dan Diehls wing skins are priced about right. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Tough Decision From: "WARRON GRAY" Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:19:10 -0500 X-Message-Number: 11 Come to flat lawdy dale and split my 662.50 a month you guys don't know how lucky you are Warron -----Original Message----- From: R.W. Moore To: KR-net users group Date: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 11:45 AM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Tough Decision >Come to Toccoa Ga and share a hanger with me and my KR 1. We have space and >the rent would not be any where near $300.00 a month. >R. W. Moore >-----Original Message----- >From: rdewees@juno.com >To: KR-net users group >Cc: kr-net@telelists.com >Date: Tuesday, January 19, 1999 11:03 AM >Subject: [kr-net] Re: Tough Decision > > >> >>Dear Netters.. >>I have come to a tough decision regarding completion of my projects at >>least partially because I have lost accesss to a hangar that I expected >>to be available for storage when I completed the plane. I think I am >>going to go with a metal project that can take the weather better than >>the KR . I don't have the patience to wait 5 years or more for a hangar >>in the Atlanta area and pay upwards of $300 a month when/if it does come >>available. Hope one of you guys will have more time or resources to >>complete a KR than I do. I am selling the following: >> >>2 KR2 projects on retracts thru boat stage. Both have controls mounted >>and all aluminum parts completed, tail and rudder glassed on one plus >>wings built but not glassed . Wing spars completed for the other project, >>dynel cloth,lots of wood and brown foam, and a set of Diehl gear in the >>box. New HAPI 1834 cc motor on it's shipping pallet with new wood prop, >>exhaust, and motor mount. Also have plans and 10 years of newsletters. >>Kits include two fiberglass nose cowls, canopy, and one top cowl with >>integral header tank. >> Bob Muse Senior looked at both and raised a question about the plywood >>on one project, but the other is definitely AC quality and well >>constructed. >> I paid $5000 for the package and have bought the Diehl gear since then. >>Would appreciate best offer. I would like to clear the workspace to >>start on a Titan Tornado or some such mostly metal project since I am >>keeping my Jabiru 80 hp motor. Trades considered. >> >>Please reply directly to me at rdewees@juno.com or call me at >>404-876-3481 >> >>Ron DeWees >>Atlanta, Ga >>___________________________________________________________________ >>You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >>Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >>or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] >> >>--- >>You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rwmoore@alltel.net >>To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com >> >> > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: warronflys@worldnet.att.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Templates for the new UIUC airfoils From: HAshraf@aol.com Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:40:45 EST X-Message-Number: 12 In a message dated 1/20/99 7:46:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, newtech@newtech.com writes: << newtech@newtech.com >> Steve, My name is not on the list although I did send a check for $100 to Mark Langford about six month ago. I do not need the templates yet but would like to follow progress and flight tests. Thanks Haris Ashraf --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com