From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Friday, January 29, 1999 12:13 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: January 28, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Thursday, January 28, 1999. 1. Re: Widening Fuselage 2. Re:Widening Fuselage 3. Re: Widening Fuselage 4. Aeropoxy question 5. Re: Aeropoxy question 6. Re: Widening Fuselage 7. Re: Aeropoxy question 8. Re: Widening Fuselage 9. Re: Widening Fuselage 10. Re: Y2K 11. Re: Aeropoxy question 12. Re: Sassafras wood 13. Re: Widening Fuselage 14. dune buggy seats 15. Re: Aeropoxy question 16. Thanks 17. Re: Widening Fuselage 18. Re: Aeropoxy question 19. Re: Widening Fuselage 20. Re: Thanks ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Widening Fuselage From: "Michael C. Taglieri" Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 03:34:01 EST X-Message-Number: 1 >Jeannette Rand told me that is ok to widen the bottom of the stock plane up >to 4 inches, 2 per side. She does not recommend widening the top. Good grief, what point would there be in that? I assume most of us have butts narrower than our shoulders and need the width on top (or at least I would hope so....) If you widen the top significantly, you can't buy your canopy from R-R, so maybe that has something to do with her disapproval. Mike Taglieri ------------------------------------------------------- "May your life be full of lawyers" -- Mexican curse ------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re:Widening Fuselage From: Robert Covington Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 02:06:59 -0700 (MST) X-Message-Number: 2 >>Jeannette Rand told me that is ok to widen the bottom of the stock plane >up >>to 4 inches, 2 per side. She does not recommend widening the top. > >Good grief, what point would there be in that? I assume most of us have >butts narrower than our shoulders and need the width on top (or at least >I would hope so....) Well, consider a woman pilot for one, carrying a woman passenger. Or a male pilot carrying a woman passenger. Or the male who doesn't have fashion model body taper. Or somebody who has ridden in a KR a couple of times, and knows that any amount of extra width _anywhere_ is a help. :) Your thinking must explain why underwear that says XL is really SM in the waist still. :) Designers think men come in only V tapers from what I can tell. Widening the bottom only also helps with banana boat problems. Point is, this is all she endorses in the widening dept. according to my conversations about such a change. Widening the bottom does not change the overall planform of the plane all that much in her eyes I suppose, plus doing the top makes preformed parts all that much harder to use as you surmise. I may even be wrong! (horrors) She might not care about widening the top too, but was only suggesting that I could do the bottom widening without causing much of a ripple effect throughout the plane. I plan to do both top and bottom widening. Wide wide, Airbus wide. :) At least 4 more true inches wide at the shoulders. Robert Covington ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Widening Fuselage From: "RONALD R.EASON" Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 07:35:12 -0800 X-Message-Number: 3 Increasing the width of the fus increases the flat plate equivilant of the aircraft and increasing the weight, which equals slower speeds. Has anyone considered stagger seating by offsetting the reclining angle? At 03:34 AM 1/28/99 EST, you wrote: >>Jeannette Rand told me that is ok to widen the bottom of the stock plane >up >>to 4 inches, 2 per side. She does not recommend widening the top. > >Good grief, what point would there be in that? I assume most of us have >butts narrower than our shoulders and need the width on top (or at least >I would hope so....) If you widen the top significantly, you can't buy >your canopy from R-R, so maybe that has something to do with her >disapproval. > >Mike Taglieri > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Aeropoxy question From: "Oscar Zuniga" Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 05:37:29 PST X-Message-Number: 4 Hello, netters I bought some Aeropoxy from a guy who changed his mind about building, and have it stored out in the garage (avg.=50 degrees or so). I noticed that it doesn't slosh much when I wiggle the can, so I checked Wicks/AS&S to see if either has anything on storage of Aeropoxy, but no joy. Nothing printed on the label. Has my stuff gone bad from storing in the cold? Should I move it indoors to see if it re-liquifies, or put it in hot water, or-? Hope I didn't create an expensive problem for myself (4 gals. of the stuff). Oscar Zuniga website at http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/ Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Aeropoxy question From: EveninBrz@aol.com Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:03:02 EST X-Message-Number: 5 Heat it in hot water, it will become liquid again. I'm told that this dono damage to it. It is a very common problem. The stuff is like honey, it responds to a little warmth now and then. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Widening Fuselage From: "Mark Langford" Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:18:28 -0000 X-Message-Number: 6 > Has anyone >considered stagger seating by offsetting the reclining angle? The CG range is already narrow, especially with only a header tank. Inline seating would make it much worse. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Aeropoxy question From: "RONALD R.EASON" Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:45:29 -0800 X-Message-Number: 7 Cold storage is not a problem, infact that the way the manufactures store the chemicals. If you are unsure make a test layup and check it out. At 05:37 AM 1/28/99 PST, you wrote: >Hello, netters > >I bought some Aeropoxy from a guy who changed his mind about building, >and have it stored out in the garage (avg.=50 degrees or so). I noticed >that it doesn't slosh much when I wiggle the can, so I checked >Wicks/AS&S to see if either has anything on storage of Aeropoxy, but no >joy. Nothing printed on the label. Has my stuff gone bad from storing >in the cold? Should I move it indoors to see if it re-liquifies, or put >it in hot water, or-? > >Hope I didn't create an expensive problem for myself (4 gals. of the >stuff). > >Oscar Zuniga >website at http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/ >Medford, Oregon > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jrlkc@mindspring.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Widening Fuselage From: "RONALD R.EASON" Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:47:45 -0800 X-Message-Number: 8 I did not say change the seat position, just the angle of recline. At 08:18 AM 1/28/99 -0000, you wrote: >> Has anyone >>considered stagger seating by offsetting the reclining angle? > >The CG range is already narrow, especially with only a header tank. Inline >seating would make it much worse. > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama >mailto:langford@hiwaay.net >see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jrlkc@mindspring.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Widening Fuselage From: "Mark Langford" Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:56:38 -0000 X-Message-Number: 9 >I did not say change the seat position, just the angle of recline. Sounds like it may have promise, and would certainly fix the shoulder clash situation. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Y2K From: BSHADR@aol.com Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:22:52 EST X-Message-Number: 10 In a message dated 99-01-28 02:29:15 EST, I wrote: << SOME THINGS NEVER CHANGE While browsing through material in the recesses of the Roman Section of...[snip] >> Geeze, in my haste to share this with certain others, I sent this to KRNet. I do beg for everyone's forgiveness (especiially since I have been known to play a cyber flatfoot). This was not my intention...of course a suppose most of you could consider the source and just ignore it. Now, what KRNet post did I send to the other guys??? Randy Stein S*viet M*nica, C* ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Aeropoxy question From: Ross Youngblood Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:43:26 -0800 X-Message-Number: 11 Oscar, Aeropoxy does not slosh... it's THICK, like molassas. The hardner may slosh, it's not as thick as the RESIN. If it crystalized, the rule for DOW-DER epoxy (sold by Wicks for KR-s) was to warm it till the crystals dissolved before using. So I'd bring the stuff to room temp before tossing. (I love my Aeropoxy... good stuff!) -- Ross Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > Hello, netters > > I bought some Aeropoxy from a guy who changed his mind about building, > and have it stored out in the garage (avg.=50 degrees or so). I noticed > that it doesn't slosh much when I wiggle the can, so I checked > Wicks/AS&S to see if either has anything on storage of Aeropoxy, but no > joy. Nothing printed on the label. Has my stuff gone bad from storing > in the cold? Should I move it indoors to see if it re-liquifies, or put > it in hot water, or-? > > Hope I didn't create an expensive problem for myself (4 gals. of the > stuff). > > Oscar Zuniga > website at http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/ > Medford, Oregon > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@saber.slb.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 Corvallis,Oregon mailto:rossy@saber.slb.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Sassafras wood From: Ross Youngblood Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:48:15 -0800 X-Message-Number: 12 JKM001@aol.com wrote: > > Could someone please help me out here? Can I use the Sassafras wood to build > the Kr? Will the FAA issue an Airworthy Certificate? > > Regards > Keith > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@saber.slb.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com Keith, I was once told that you could use toothpick wood and masking tape to build an experimental KR. The FAA only cares that the weight of the paperwork equals the weight of the airplane. However your airworthyness certificate may restrict your flight zone to a specific region (BAD). The key point was to get in touch with a local EAA chapter to have them help insure that what you build will fly. Sorry, I don't have the specifics on Sassafras wood, However Fir and Hemlock have been used successfully. The trick is in the SELECTION of the wood used. There are specific requirements on grain per inch, knots and voids permitted etc. The best bet is to buy spruce from a aircraft grade vendor, so you don't have to hand select everything yourself. You might have to go through a lot of wood to find what you can use. -- Ross -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 Corvallis,Oregon mailto:rossy@saber.slb.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Widening Fuselage From: "WARRON GRAY" Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 17:36:16 -0500 X-Message-Number: 13 I have increased the angle of my seat to 34 degree angle. my wifes seat is at 32 degrees. my head is fatter and swelled so i need the extra height by lowering my fat head. i use dune buggy bucket seats which i made fit Warron -----Original Message----- From: RONALD R.EASON To: KR-net users group Date: Thursday, January 28, 1999 8:53 AM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Widening Fuselage >considered stagger seating by offsetting the reclining angle? > > > > >At 03:34 AM 1/28/99 EST, you wrote: >>>Jeannette Rand told me that is ok to widen the bottom of the stock plane >>up >>>to 4 inches, 2 per side. She does not recommend widening the top. >> >>Good grief, what point would there be in that? I assume most of us have >>butts narrower than our shoulders and need the width on top (or at least >>I would hope so....) If you widen the top significantly, you can't buy >>your canopy from R-R, so maybe that has something to do with her >>disapproval. >> >>Mike Taglieri >> >> > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: warronflys@worldnet.att.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: dune buggy seats From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:50:24 -0500 X-Message-Number: 14 At 05:36 PM 1/28/99 -0500, you wrote: >I have increased the angle of my seat to 34 degree angle. my wifes seat is >at 32 degrees. my head is fatter and swelled so i need the extra height by >lowering my fat head. i use dune buggy bucket seats which i made fit Warron I'd like to know more about your seats. Where did you buy them? How much did they cost? How much do they weigh? Any problems involved in getting them to fit? Thanks for any info. WD Wayne DeLisle Sr. E-mail:dodger@.coincidential.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Aeropoxy question From: Mike Mims Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 17:34:38 -0800 X-Message-Number: 15 Ross Youngblood wrote: > < > The hardner may slosh, it's not as thick as the RESIN.>>> Ross is absolutely correct! Aeropoxy is on the "thick" side. Don't chuck it just heat it up in a pail of warm water. Or better yet buy yourself a pump then build a "hot box" for the pump. We have one at our hanger that has built 3.5 airplanes and its the only way to go! By the way, the thickness of Aeropoxy and it loooooong cure times was the only thing I didn't like about it. I guess I am hooked on EZPoxy (safe-t-poxy) for life. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Thanks From: Mike Mims Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 17:38:39 -0800 X-Message-Number: 16 I just wanted to say thanks to everyone for the kind words. Mama and baby are home now. Life is good! :o) -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Widening Fuselage From: Donald Reid Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:47:58 -0500 X-Message-Number: 17 RONALD R.EASON wrote: > > Increasing the width of the fus increases the flat plate equivilant of the > aircraft and increasing the weight, which equals slower speeds. The weight increase will be nothing to minimal to significant, depending entirely on how much additional material is used. Widening the fuselage will increase the cross sectional area only a small amount, if at all. For example, if the total width is not changed, but mearly moved to the location of the shoulders, the drag will actually decrease. In a "normal" configuration, the minimum wing/fuselage interference drag will occur when the fuselage width is increasing and the wing thickness is decreasing, and vice versa. When both the wing and the fuselage are decreasing in thickness, the drag will be higher. -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Aeropoxy question From: Donald Reid Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:54:03 -0500 X-Message-Number: 18 Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > Hello, netters > > I bought some Aeropoxy from a guy who changed his mind about building, > and have it stored out in the garage (avg.=50 degrees or so). I noticed > that it doesn't slosh much when I wiggle the can, so I checked > Wicks/AS&S to see if either has anything on storage of Aeropoxy, but no > joy. Nothing printed on the label. Has my stuff gone bad from storing > in the cold? I have never used the Aeropoxy, but I had another type that got cold and got "clumpy", almost like curdled milk. The first time that this happened, I heated it and all went back into solution. It still worked fine. After a longer exposure to cold, it would not go back to normal. Some of the clumps were still floating around. I will only use that for things like building molds. I made an insulated box out of plywood and styrofoam, with a 60 watt light bulb and a thermostat. I keep it set on about 80 and things work great. -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Widening Fuselage From: "w.g. kirkland" Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 00:10:31 -0500 X-Message-Number: 19 Whether you widen the fuselage or not just make sure your passenger put their deoderant on in the morning. I haven't built my seats yet but I plan to have an adjustable back a la early Cessna 150 with the bench seat. If I can figure out how to do it the backs will be individually adjustable. W.G. KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ---------- > From: WARRON GRAY > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Re: Widening Fuselage > Date: Thursday, January 28, 1999 5:36 PM > > I have increased the angle of my seat to 34 degree angle. my wifes seat is > at 32 degrees. my head is fatter and swelled so i need the extra height by > lowering my fat head. i use dune buggy bucket seats which i made fit Warron > -----Original Message----- > From: RONALD R.EASON > To: KR-net users group > Date: Thursday, January 28, 1999 8:53 AM > Subject: [kr-net] Re: Widening Fuselage > >considered stagger seating by offsetting the reclining angle? > > > > > > > > > >At 03:34 AM 1/28/99 EST, you wrote: > >>>Jeannette Rand told me that is ok to widen the bottom of the stock plane > >>up > >>>to 4 inches, 2 per side. She does not recommend widening the top. > >> > >>Good grief, what point would there be in that? I assume most of us have > >>butts narrower than our shoulders and need the width on top (or at least > >>I would hope so....) If you widen the top significantly, you can't buy > >>your canopy from R-R, so maybe that has something to do with her > >>disapproval. > >> > >>Mike Taglieri > >> > >> > > > > > >--- > >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: warronflys@worldnet.att.net > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: kirkland@vianet.on.ca > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Thanks From: "R.W. Moore" Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 01:15:39 -0500 X-Message-Number: 20 DID YOU KNOW WHEN A BABY IS BORN-THREE PEOPLE ARE BORN A BABY AMOTHER AND A FATHER. BEFORE ONLY MAN AND WIFE. MAY YOU HAVE MANY HAPPY DAYS AND YEARS. OUR BABYS ARE 46 & 47 YEARS OLD. REGARDS, R. W. MOORE -----Original Message----- From: Mike Mims To: KR-net users group Date: Thursday, January 28, 1999 8:38 PM Subject: [kr-net] Thanks >I just wanted to say thanks to everyone for the kind words. Mama and baby are >home now. Life is good! :o) > > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now >mailto:mikemims@home.com >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >Aliso Viejo Ca >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rwmoore@alltel.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com