From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 12:17 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: February 01, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Monday, February 01, 1999. 1. Widening Fuselage 2. N262TC 3. Engine Cooling 4. Re: baffels 5. Re: retract or not 6. Re: Ellison carby manifold 7. Re: Intercom Kit from RST 8. Re: Widening Fuselage 9. Re: FW: carburetor info 10. Re: baffels 11. Fuselage Width behind Station H 12. Re: Fuselage Width behind Station H 13. Re: Intercom Kit from RST 14. Problems receiving e-mail 15. Re: N262TC 16. Re: FW: carburetor info 17. Re: Intercom Kit from RST 18. Re: Intercom Kit from RST ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Widening Fuselage From: JKM001@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 07:45:02 EST X-Message-Number: 1 If one was to widen the fuselage, which parts other than the canopy wouldn't fit? Regards Keith ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: N262TC From: "Dean Collette" Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:26:27 -0600 X-Message-Number: 2 Netters, If you haven't had the chance to look through this month's edition of Sport Aviation, I suggest you spend a little time with this one. Pages 42 - 48 will show you what a KR is supposed to look like. I had the distinct opportunity to see Tom's airplane while it was at the EAA fly-in at Oshkosh. As beautiful as these pictures are - they don't really convey the outstanding workmanship and detail in this airplane. Congratulations Tom! Dean mailto:drdean@execpc.com Web Site at http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/home.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Engine Cooling From: Donald Reid Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 12:28:26 -0500 X-Message-Number: 3 What size cooling air openings are people using? I have an area in mind for my O-200, but I want to check what other people have. If you respond, it would also help to know engine type and whether or not you have a separate cooling inlet for blast tubes to magnetos, oil, etc. Thanks -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: baffels From: CHOCTAWCWR@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:07:54 EST X-Message-Number: 4 does anyone have pattern for baffels for revmaster 2100d has anyone tried the new airfoils and new tail design for kr2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: retract or not From: Ross Youngblood Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 12:37:56 -0800 X-Message-Number: 5 David McKelvey wrote: > > Hey netters, > > I set out to biuld my KR1 w/ fixed tri gear. However, > I'm thinking that I should stick to the conv. retrac that > started it all. The fixed gear is more $$ and I assume > it wieghs more. Ofcoarse your going to loose a few knotts > with the gear hanging in the breeze too. I have no tail > dragger time, but thats easy to fix, it's just the short > fuselage that makes me nervous. What do you think? > > dave Dave, I have the retract gear... I can say that you could be ahead in TIME if you spend a little $$ for the fixed gear. I don't think you loose a few knots with the fixed gear, in fact I have heard some reports that you might gain some speed. The KR retract does not retract completely into the wing, so there is still some drag. In fact, one could make an argument that there may be more drag with the retract, as there is a larger wedge of disturbance under the wing as opposed to the fixed gear. Also... I have found it is difficult to get good taildragger time, and it is $$$, as it is usually considered "advanced" instruction. I am still working on my taildragger endorsement and hope to finish it this spring. -- Regards Ross -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 Corvallis,Oregon mailto:rossy@saber.slb.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Ellison carby manifold From: Ross Youngblood Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 12:41:04 -0800 X-Message-Number: 6 John, My A&P wanted me to go with an "above" engine intake manifold, if anyone knows of one for an EFS-2 let me know. I have a GPASC (Great Plains) intake manifold for my EFS-2, and it is "under" the engine. So far my only difficulty has been with the primer circuit. I have two placed the fittings at the cylinder side of the manifold and I still have problems starting. If I blow some fuel into the intake throat of the EFS2, I start every time. So I'm thinking of re-locating the fittings to just aft of the carb. However, I have done some work, and still want to play with my current set-up to see if I was just flooding by over-priming. -- Regards Ross John Martindale wrote: > > Hello all from another Aussie builder. > > Can someone please advise whether installation of the "above engine" intake > manifold for the Ellison EFS-2 TBI carby, as described on their internet > page, would require rework of the standard KR2 upper cowl to fit. Any other > brief advice on alternative carby setup on 2180cc VW also greatly > appreciated. > > Regards John Martindale (email. john.martindale@bigpond.com.au). > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@saber.slb.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 Corvallis,Oregon mailto:rossy@saber.slb.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Intercom Kit from RST From: Ross Youngblood Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 12:55:33 -0800 X-Message-Number: 7 Skip, RST dosen't sell the radio kits any longer. I thought this was due to the increased FCC regulations with regards to frequency spacing. IF this is the case, and this is a big IF, as I don't know about the RST radios in particular, then the radio can only be used for RECIEVE only, not TRANSMIT, as it will bleed into other frequencies. When I started my KR project I was interested in building an RST radio, but when I got to the point where I was ready to build a kit, he no longer sold the kits. I just assumed it was due to the cost of building one that could meet the new regulations. Also... he may have decided it was too expensive to equip a repair shop to calibrate the radios, based on the sales volume he had. I have been thinking about getting into the Avionics business myself, but the amount of money I could make would be limited by the number of people wanting to pay $$$ for radio work. I think I could make more money selling PC upgrade services. I think a lot of us expect high levels of customer service from the small companies servicing the homebuilt business. If there were two or more KIT avionics companies in business, I'd be right there complaining behind you, but since we have only ONE (RST), and he does provide CHEAP antenna kits that WORK. I am reluctant to give them a bad time. However, should you wish to start a radio kit manufacturing business, I would be the first in line to purchase your NAV/COM/GPS kit. -- Regards Ross NFCKR3@aol.com wrote: > > I don't know about the intercom but they sure don't support their radios! I > have called three times about a problem I have with one of their radios and > ...still no help. When I asked about sending it back he said that he didn't > have a technician! Also there are sone inexpensive intercoms that function > well and have support! > Skip > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@saber.slb.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 Corvallis,Oregon mailto:rossy@saber.slb.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Widening Fuselage From: "WARRON GRAY" Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 15:56:58 -0500 X-Message-Number: 8 Boot cowl to some extent. just split it down the center if you need more width Warron -----Original Message----- From: JKM001@aol.com To: KR-net users group Date: Monday, February 01, 1999 7:46 AM Subject: [kr-net] Widening Fuselage >If one was to widen the fuselage, which parts other than the canopy wouldn't >fit? > >Regards >Keith > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: warronflys@worldnet.att.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: FW: carburetor info From: Ross Youngblood Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 13:01:55 -0800 X-Message-Number: 9 Mark & Mike, I have an EFS-2 on my 1835cc, and I haven't yet done the taxi tests on it. However I haven't heard anything negative about the carb as far as jetting etc. I am having some difficulty with my primer circuit, but this is my fault. If I blow some fuel down the throat of the EFS-2, the engine starts first time every time. I think I am flooding the cylinders I prime, when I prime, so it may be a proceedural thing. There are some Netters who said the Model "T" carb was a good one for the KR, as it has a mixture adjustment. The part # is out there some place, but I don't recall what it is. The downside of the EFS-2 is the cost, it will set you back about $700. -- Ross Mark Langford wrote: > > Anybody care to enlighten this KR builder / almost pilot? I wouldn't want > to bias him with my opinions on the matter...having given up on dependable > carbs for the VW. He's said that he will subscribe as soon as he gets a > chance, but email to him direct, please, just in case Ross is off on biz or > something. > > ------------------------------ > > Mark, > I am needing more KR input. I have KR - N998MG with the 1835 VW engine. > My carburetor is of unknown origin, it is very small and after engine and > taxi testing IT IS NOT GOING TO CUT IT!! So I am looking for info and > addresses for good dependable carbs. that work well with VW's, POSA, > Revflow, etc. > e-mail: msgtlg@msn.com > thanks again, > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: msgtlg [mailto:msgtlg@email.msn.com] > Sent: Saturday, January 30, 1999 4:48 PM > To: langford@hiwaay.net > Subject: carburetor info > > -------------- > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@saber.slb.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 Corvallis,Oregon mailto:rossy@saber.slb.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: baffels From: Steven Eberhart Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 15:09:04 -0600 (CST) X-Message-Number: 10 On Mon, 1 Feb 1999 CHOCTAWCWR@aol.com wrote: > does anyone have pattern for baffels for revmaster 2100d > has anyone tried the new airfoils and new tail design for kr2 > I can only speak to the new airfoils. THe airfoils have only flown in the University of Illinois' wind tunnel. Troy Petteway is finishing up the re-winging of his KR-2. He is the closest one to being ready for flight. Mark Langford and Dean Collette are both using the new airfoils on their planes but they are a ways from being ready for flight. Dr. Dean and Dana Overall are using the new tail on their planes. Dana's will probably be the first one, with the new tail, to fly. Ashok is planning on tweaking the trailing edge of the 18% airfoil a little. More for esthetic reasons than anything else since the airfoil has already been through the wind tunnel. Will let all know the progress on the TE tweak. You can get to the wind tunnel results via the URL in my signature line. Steve Eberhart Evansville, IN ------------------------------------- http://www.newtech.com/nlf One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly food for thought and is in no way intended to imply that it is anything more than ideas requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Fuselage Width behind Station H From: "T.Flemming" Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 18:25:26 -0600 X-Message-Number: 11 I have built two trapezoid jigs so far and have placed the first one at Station (A) the second one about 3 inches behind Station (F) where the plans say the widest point of the plane is at 38.125 inches. I built my jigs to so that the plane would adhere to the measurement in the plans up to that point. I had planned to add 4 inches of width, 7 inches behind Station (H), but after bending the 4 longerons together at the end of the plane and measuring the width at 7 inches behind station (H) I noticed that the width from the outside of the longerons at this point is 37.5 inches. If you minus the 2.5 inches worth of longerons (longeron doublers are installed already) that leaves you with 35 inches of width on the inside. The problem is I was under the impression that at this point the fuselage would normally be 32.5 inches. Some how i am already wider than what the plans call for by 2.5 inches. The point that i am widening is 16 inches behind the widest point in the plane. It seems that 16 inches is a short distance to make such a sharp drop in the width of the fuselage. I guess I my just curious if anyone else's fuselage was wider than what the plans say it should be naturally. Thanks, Sorry it was so long winded. Trent & Kellie Flemming tflemming@texramp.net www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hall/9098 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Fuselage Width behind Station H From: "Mark Langford" Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:04:14 -0000 X-Message-Number: 12 Trent wrote: > It seems that 16 inches is a short >distance to make such a sharp drop in the width of the fuselage. Were I to do this again, I'd use Dr. Dean's vegetable steamer method of bending the longerons to whatever was necessary, or at least part of the way. I had one of my longerons crack during the boat making process because of the sharp bends... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Intercom Kit from RST From: NFCKR3@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 20:42:54 EST X-Message-Number: 13 No, I am in more businesses now than I can manage, in fact I shut down my belly drain business last year because I just didn't have the time to look after it any more. I hold 9 STC's for belly drains in Cessna airplanes. I was just disappointed that they were not willing to even give me any hints as to where to go...I can understand no shop and no technicians, but some advise sure would have helped the pill go down. As to the frequency bit more people have been mislead by this one than any other. The regulation states and I quote,"When a radio is removed fro service, if it does not meet the frequency standards then it can no longer be used as a transmitter." I bet you would be surprised as to the number of perfectly good radios this one has shelved, in fact if anyone has a good-working Narco com 10 or 11 they want to sell cheap let me know. I guess that I will take it out and carry it to a Ham Radio friend and maybe we can fix it. In the meantime I bought a Delcom 960 and what a you can mount it in a 31/8" instrument hole and use their battery eliminator, hook it to the external ant and away you go with excellent com radio for less than $300.00! When I do a product report for my newsletter I will put it on the net for your consideration. Thanks Skip Carden ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Problems receiving e-mail From: "Michael C. Taglieri" Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 22:24:49 EST X-Message-Number: 14 This is just to let you know that I have been unable to receive e-mail since Friday, I think because of a systemwide problem with Juno, although I cannot be sure of that. For some reason, my outgoing messages appear to work OK. If anyone needs to contact me (of if a fellow Juno subscriber can shed some light on what the hell is going on here), you can reach me at mtaglier@legal-aid.org, my work e-mail address. Mike Taglieri ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: N262TC From: ECLarsen81@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:24:54 EST X-Message-Number: 15 In a message dated 99-02-01 09:24:15 EST, you write: << Netters, If you haven't had the chance to look through this month's edition of Sport Aviation, I suggest you spend a little time with this one. Pages 42 - 48 will show you what a KR is supposed to look like. I had the distinct opportunity to see Tom's airplane while it was at the EAA fly-in at Oshkosh. As beautiful as these pictures are - they don't really convey the outstanding workmanship and detail in this airplane. >> Not only that, but the "V" tail Bonanza twin. ;-) Ed Larsen ECLarsen81@aol.com Ypsi, MI http://members.xoom.com/EdLarsen/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: FW: carburetor info From: "WARRON GRAY" Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:43:05 -0500 X-Message-Number: 16 try the quicksilver 2 it is an updated carb with altitude compensating mixture same as altimizer for a lot less Warron -----Original Message----- From: Ross Youngblood To: KR-net users group Date: Monday, February 01, 1999 4:10 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: FW: carburetor info >Mark & Mike, > >I have an EFS-2 on my 1835cc, and I haven't yet done the taxi tests on >it. >However I haven't heard anything negative about the carb as far as >jetting etc. >I am having some difficulty with my primer circuit, but this is my >fault. >If I blow some fuel down the throat of the EFS-2, the engine starts >first >time every time. >I think I am flooding the cylinders I prime, when I prime, so it may be >a proceedural thing. > >There are some Netters who said the Model "T" carb was a good one for >the KR, as it has a mixture adjustment. The part # is out there some >place, but I don't recall what it is. > >The downside of the EFS-2 is the cost, it will set you back about $700. > > -- Ross > > > >Mark Langford wrote: >> >> Anybody care to enlighten this KR builder / almost pilot? I wouldn't want >> to bias him with my opinions on the matter...having given up on dependable >> carbs for the VW. He's said that he will subscribe as soon as he gets a >> chance, but email to him direct, please, just in case Ross is off on biz or >> something. >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Mark, >> I am needing more KR input. I have KR - N998MG with the 1835 VW engine. >> My carburetor is of unknown origin, it is very small and after engine and >> taxi testing IT IS NOT GOING TO CUT IT!! So I am looking for info and >> addresses for good dependable carbs. that work well with VW's, POSA, >> Revflow, etc. >> e-mail: msgtlg@msn.com >> thanks again, >> Mike >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: msgtlg [mailto:msgtlg@email.msn.com] >> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 1999 4:48 PM >> To: langford@hiwaay.net >> Subject: carburetor info >> >> -------------- >> >> Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama >> mailto:langford@hiwaay.net >> see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford >> >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@saber.slb.com >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > >-- > Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 > Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 > Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 > Corvallis,Oregon mailto:rossy@saber.slb.com > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: warronflys@worldnet.att.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Intercom Kit from RST From: "R.W. Moore" Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 00:56:23 -0500 X-Message-Number: 17 Are you the same person that published the newsletter for thr ercoupe club a long time ago? R. W. Moore -----Original Message----- From: NFCKR3@aol.com To: KR-net users group Date: Monday, February 01, 1999 8:59 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Intercom Kit from RST >No, I am in more businesses now than I can manage, in fact I shut down my >belly drain business last year because I just didn't have the time to look >after it any more. I hold 9 STC's for belly drains in Cessna airplanes. I was >just disappointed that they were not willing to even give me any hints as to >where to go...I can understand no shop and no technicians, but some advise >sure would have helped the pill go down. > >As to the frequency bit more people have been mislead by this one than any >other. The regulation states and I quote,"When a radio is removed fro service, >if it does not meet the frequency standards then it can no longer be used as a >transmitter." I bet you would be surprised as to the number of perfectly good >radios this one has shelved, in fact if anyone has a good-working Narco com 10 >or 11 they want to sell cheap let me know. > >I guess that I will take it out and carry it to a Ham Radio friend and maybe >we can fix it. In the meantime I bought a Delcom 960 and what a you can mount >it in a 31/8" instrument hole and use their battery eliminator, hook it to the >external ant and away you go with excellent com radio for less than $300.00! >When I do a product report for my newsletter I will put it on the net for your >consideration. > >Thanks >Skip Carden > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rwmoore@alltel.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Intercom Kit from RST From: Mike Mims Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 22:13:37 -0800 X-Message-Number: 18 NFCKR3@aol.com wrote: > <<<"When a radio is removed fro service, if it does not meet the frequency > standards then it can no longer be used as a > transmitter." I bet you would be surprised as to the number of perfectly good > radios this one has shelved, >>> You could still use these in homebuilts couldn't you? -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com