From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 1999 12:26 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: February 16, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Tuesday, February 16, 1999. 1. Re: Flutter 2. Re: [Re: Wing spars, (revisited)] 3. Re: wheels for sale 4. Re: Measuring Wing Incidence 5. Re: ALL COMPOSITE KR2S 6. Re: ALL COMPOSITE KR2S 7. [Fwd: new member intro] 8. [Fwd: engine mount] 9. [Fwd: Parachutes] 10. Re: ALL COMPOSITE KR2S 11. How not to 12. Re: [Fwd: Parachutes] 13. Re: [Fwd: engine mount] 14. New Members & Apology 15. Re: ALL COMPOSITE KR2S 16. test 17. Re: [Fwd: new member intro] 18. what engine is this? 19. Re: Measuring Wing Incidence 20. Re: ALL COMPOSITE KR2S 21. Re: what engine is this? 22. Re: Measuring Wing Incidence 23. Re: 99 KR Gathering Questions 24. Diesel Power (was Re: what engine is this?) 25. Re: [kr-net] 26. Re: [Fwd: Parachutes] 27. PBS - Nova 28. Re: [kr-net] 29. Re: Prop Weights/selection 30. Re: warp drive ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Flutter From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 07:12:55 EST X-Message-Number: 1 In a message dated 2/15/99 11:16:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, mikemims@home.com writes: << Jim Sellars wrote: > Mike: how about if I just followed the plans and used about three pounds per > aileron ? I still have to say that you should use what ever weight it takes to make YOUR ailerons balance at 100%. On the other hand its just MY opinion and sometimes that aint worth much. :o) >> Jim, don't rely on what someone else's ailerons balance at. "About" just doesn't get it here. It is a simply thing to do to balance your own and should be done on an individual basis. Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [Re: Wing spars, (revisited)] From: "Tom Andersen" Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 07:36:28 -0500 X-Message-Number: 2 Dennis, A while back I saw a KR1.5 with a turboprop engine on it, and his wing attachments were simplified. What he basically did was place the inner fittings flush with the end of the center spar so that one long bolt goes through the fittings and the spar. This brings the bolt count down to eight. -Tom -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Mingear To: KR-net users group Date: Monday, February 15, 1999 10:31 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: [Re: Wing spars, (revisited)] Hello Troy, I'm building a KR-1B and am very interested in building a plug-in wing. I'm a member of the Sailplane Builders Association and a local glider club. When I see how most sailplane wings connect to the fuselage I want to throw rocks at the 16 bolts that hold the KR wing together. Please keep us informed on your progress. Dennis.. bounce-kr-net-39470@telelists.com wrote: > I am definitely interested in a redesigned spar utilizing a center pin > application...I have already started making plans to adapt the Sonex gear to my > plane since I have yet to start construction (my wood will be delivered on > Monday ! ). I too am willing to contribute more to this endeavor ...anything > to improve the performance, safety and overall utility of this aircraft that I > am about to invest a considerable amount of money and time to this project. > > Troy A. Johnson > > Steven Eberhart wrote: > > > On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, Wayne DeLisle Sr. wrote: > > > > > At 11:04 AM 2/11/99 -0600, you wrote: > > > > > > > >I just had an email discussion with Mark Langford about this subject > > > >yesterday! I was looking for a set of WAF's to use on the new composite > > > >spar so that the spar could be tested to destruction. I have most of the > > > >materials to build up a KR-2S spar for the AS5048 18% root/AS5045 15% tip > > > >airfoil wing. Hope to get started on this within the next month. > > > > > > Hi Steve, > > > > > > Sounds good. Count me in when you need some $$. > > > > > > Another question, > > > > > > Would it be practical to build a plug-in spar like is used > > > in sailplanes?? It would eliminate those costly WAFs. > > > > > > > That is my first choice but I have been persuaded to do the WAF version > > first. My personal prefferance (sp?) is for plug in spars that overlap > > inside the cockpit and are joined by two "pip" pins. THis eliminates the > > dihedral break out on the wing and puts it at the fuselage, where it > > should be IMHO. THe main problem is where to hang the wheels. Several of > > us have been talking about a new motor mount that has sockets for a pair > > of Sonex titanium gear legs that angle back ala Sonex and RV. Sonex has > > indicated that they will sell the gear leggs separately. > > > > If the interrest in the plug in one piece wing is greater than that for > > the stock configuration, I will do the plug in wings first. KRNetters let > > me know what your preferences are, straight wings with Sonex gear or bent > > wings with WAFs and Diehl gear. > > > > If the Europa style of aileron pushrod coupling is used then all that > > would be required to pull the wings would be to remove the two pip pins > > and slide the wings off. You are getting close to being able to have a > > trailerable KR with five minute rigging just like the Europa. > > > > Steve Eberhart > > ------------------------------------- > > http://www.newtech.com/nlf > > > > One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are > > easier to get. > > --plagiarized from an unknown author > > > > All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly > > food for thought and is in no way intended to imply that it is anything > > more than ideas requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. > > > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: tjohnson@speedchoice.com > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: DennisMingear@Netscape.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: tomkr2s@t-three.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: wheels for sale From: "Richard Parker" Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:21:08 PST X-Message-Number: 3 Here something for sale for some of you lurkers who arent building KR's 2 Cleveland 6 x 6 wheels are number 40-75E, rated at 2500 pound static load and come with with the axles and the brake discs. The wheels turn freely on the axles. They also have 6.00X 6 McCreary's inflated on them These came off a 182 which had been parted out. Wheels with brake discs list in AS+S for $335 each. I want $250 for the pair. Rich Parker richontheroad@hotmail.com http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm Jaffrey, NH ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Measuring Wing Incidence From: Ross Youngblood Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:56:48 -0800 X-Message-Number: 4 Douglas Dorfmeier wrote: > > I plan to start work on my wings soon and have been strugling with the > question of how to best measure wing incidence. I am tentatively > planning on measuring the incidence using the firewall as a guide, but > at this point I have no idea how I am going to measure the incidence of > the outer wing. Suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@saber.slb.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com Douglas, You need a Water level, and perhaps an Algebra book (My high school algebra book had the trigonometry stuff my brain did not). At any rate, you can measure the distance from FORE/AFT, on the wing do the trig, and know how much hieght = 3.5 degrees. I did these calculations once in the old paper newsletter, but I don't have the brain power at the moment to pass them on. At any rate, you can use a milk jug, some clear plastic tubing, and water&food coloring or wine [as seen on TV]. Then you can measure the rise over the run, and find out what the angle is. Perhaps someone else can post the calculations. I havent the time. (I'm behind at work.) -- Ross -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 Corvallis,Oregon mailto:rossy@saber.slb.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: ALL COMPOSITE KR2S From: Ross Youngblood Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:01:15 -0800 X-Message-Number: 5 Well, I'm game... Only two problems. 1) I don't have the time to form a foundation, but if we did have a foundation, it should be affiliated with KR-net. 2) Jeanette makes her livelyhood through the sale of plans from RR. I think the cost to buy her out at this time would be prohibitive. (ie... a retirement fund). -- Regards Ross Robert Sauer wrote: > > FOOD FOR THOUGHT! > > WHY NOT FORM A NON-PROFIT FOUNDATION, BUY OUT ALL RIGHTS TO THE KR FROM RR, > DO THE DEVELOPMENT WORK AND MARKET/MAINTAIN/SUPPORT THE DESIGN LIKE THE > STINSON FOLKS. > > ALL PARTS COULD BE LESS EXPENSIVE, READILY AVAILABLE AND QUALITY CONTROLLED. > > JUST A THOUGHT! > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: ALL COMPOSITE KR2S From: "Richard Parker" Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:28:22 PST X-Message-Number: 6 The KR fits a niche market or in most of our cases a niche wallet. I think the reason that we bought the plans is because the construction techniques are familiar, look improveable and is a great first time project for a fast plane. As we learn more about the building process a lot of improvements become evident. Thats what makes this list so exciting. People on it have really creative ideas. (Usually the REALLY creative ideas (which often dont become reality) come from the guys who havent even had their wood delivered yet)) ;-) But they often introduce some emotion into the posts. My experience is that those people who have built A/C before are not building KR's as their next project. Since most of us on the KR-net are like proud papas of KR's I can think of about half a dozen experimentals already on the market that could be perceived as "All Composite KR-2S" The "Vision" is practically marketed as one. The rest are tweaked more or less, more HP engines, controls, airfoils etc. These are the one that the seasoned builders are going after. Glasair, Celerity, Lancair (Yeah maybe I'm stretching it a little) but when I see people oogling over a big buck experimental I love to say "yeah its just like the one I'm building except with a few more bells and whistles" Flame away! Rich Parker richontheroad@hotmail.com http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm Jaffrey, NH ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [Fwd: new member intro] From: Ross Youngblood Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:32:02 -0800 X-Message-Number: 7 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F4CA050E584542A20CA6D7D5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------F4CA050E584542A20CA6D7D5 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: by mail2 for rossy (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.21 1997/08/10) Mon Feb 8 02:25:26 1999) X-From_: kirkland@vianet.on.ca Wed Jan 27 23:22:39 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: rossy@teleport.com Received: (qmail 11876 invoked from network); 27 Jan 1999 23:22:38 -0000 Received: from dreams.vianet.on.ca (HELO vianet.on.ca) (209.91.128.20) by smtp5.teleport.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 1999 23:22:38 -0000 Received: from kirkland (ps-annex-port13.vianet.on.ca [209.91.144.113]) by vianet.on.ca (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA14768 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:20:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901272320.SAA14768@vianet.on.ca> From: "w.g. kirkland" To: Subject: new member intro Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:27:27 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit W.G. KIRKLAND Hi. I’m new on the Kr-net so let me introduce myself. I’m Bill Kirkland. I live in Parry Sound, Ont. Half way to the north pole and almost due north of Fun and Sun. (45.15N 79.50W). I have a deg. in Mech. Eng. But have not practiced since graduation. After graduation in 62 I worked for about 11 years as a navigator in the RCAF/CAF I retired as a personnel administrator in 93 and started building a KR2-S summer of 96. So far the boat is built as are the hor. Stab, elev and the spars. The centre section spars are in and the centre section pretty much complete. This is a plans built because economy is one of my big criteria. I try to put in about 10 hrs a week but I have a physical handicap that reduces my effectiveness.I even bought the lumber rough sawn and milled and graded it at a friends. Along the way I’ve accumulated about half my instruments, a heater , a Subaru engine, and a R drive. The Subaru was an !800cc turbocharged but the turbo had been smoked. I’ve had it completely rebuilt and am I glad I did. The bearings were scored, there was a crack in the head at one of the exhaust valves and the oil pump had to be replaced. The guy I bought it from for $200 Can. Said it was running when he took it out of the car. It appears that he smoked the turbo when he ran out of oil and did a lot of secondary damage he wasn’t aware of. I replaced the cupped turbo pistons with regular ones and had the crankshaft reground. The original was MPFI which will be great if I can make it work without the turbo. I have the computer and the shop manual for the engine ( It cost almost as much as the engine.) If anyone can help here I’m all ears. I have all the parts for the Dave Johnson R drive . Most of the machining is done but there is still some work to be done cutting the plates to shape and assembling the drive. This was made from the plans back when dave was selling them. He quit selling them because people were making multiple drives from one set of plans. If it works I will owe Dave some cash because I’m cheap but I don’t believe in ripping people off. So far I’ve got about 2k into the Engine and R drive but I won’t run behind a doubtful engine. Working on the wing flap mechanism. How is the torque rod supported? How do you get the torque rod through the bracket with bends in each end? It would be difficult to bend them in place. I decided to make the actuating arms from 1" sq. al. tube and bolt them on the ends of the torque rod. I don’t have picture capability, but I just drill a 3/4" hole in the square tube then taper the sq. tube by angle cutting it. This way you get two 3" arms from about 4" of tube. For bearings I used 3/4" nylon bushings set in each side of the fuselage. Where do I get the nylon bushings? The plumbing section of your local hardware store sells nylon fittings for plastic tubing. Simply cut off what you don’t need. You can even get a nice flange on one or both ends depending on where you cut. They can be had in 1/4 in increments up to about 2". The T fittings yield 3 bushings and are the most cost effective. They also make nice cable guides. I have a neat and simple way to set the wing incidence. More on that later. Boy it’s a good thing I have a C150 to fly while I’m building the KR2S! Merry Christmas all. A bit late! Sorry to take so long to get this to you Ross. Hope to see you in Kentucky with my 150. Bill --------------F4CA050E584542A20CA6D7D5-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [Fwd: engine mount] From: Ross Youngblood Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:38:25 -0800 X-Message-Number: 8 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B8E62031D0C0A5DCE6C3BBDB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------B8E62031D0C0A5DCE6C3BBDB Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: by mail1 (mbox krnet) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Tue Feb 16 13:15:36 1999) X-From_: vmarsh@ib4epublications.com Thu Feb 11 02:16:43 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: krnet@teleport.com Received: (qmail 19222 invoked by uid 10244); 11 Feb 1999 02:16:43 -0000 Delivered-To: krnet+krnet.org-X-krnet@krnet.org Received: (qmail 19219 invoked from network); 11 Feb 1999 02:16:42 -0000 Received: from repop1.jps.net (209.63.224.238) by smtp5.teleport.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 1999 02:16:42 -0000 Received: from ib4epublications.com (209-239-194-54.oak.jps.net [209.239.194.54]) by repop1.jps.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA29649 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 18:16:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36C23CD0.99EB69E2@ib4epublications.com> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 18:13:36 -0800 From: Victor Marsh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: krnet@krnet.org Subject: engine mount Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have an engine mount for a VW engine from a KR2. The airplane it came from never flew before it was disassembled. The engine is currently on a kitfox and I have no use for the engine mount. It has been sitting in my garage for some time and I don't want to keep moving it from one box to another. Do you know of anyone who could use it? Regards, Victor Marsh e-mail: vmarsh@ib4epublications.com phone: (209) 835-7080 --------------B8E62031D0C0A5DCE6C3BBDB-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [Fwd: Parachutes] From: Ross Youngblood Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 14:17:29 -0800 X-Message-Number: 9 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5B6B17F076165E729BEF7453 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------5B6B17F076165E729BEF7453 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: by mail1 for krnet (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.21 1997/08/10) Sat Jan 16 11:50:48 1999) X-From_: jjasper@inconnect.com Fri Jan 15 22:22:12 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: krnet@teleport.com Received: (qmail 18 invoked by uid 10244); 15 Jan 1999 22:22:11 -0000 Delivered-To: krnet+krnet.org-X-krnet@krnet.org Received: (qmail 15 invoked from network); 15 Jan 1999 22:22:11 -0000 Received: from mail.inconnect.com (209.140.64.7) by smtp7.teleport.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 1999 22:22:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 29222 invoked from network); 15 Jan 1999 22:22:07 -0000 Received: from 1-37.dialup.inconnect.com (HELO default) (209.140.67.36) by mail.inconnect.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 1999 22:22:07 -0000 From: "James Jasper" To: Subject: Parachutes Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:35:12 -0700 Message-ID: <01be40d7$5072ce00$24438cd1@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0074_01BE409C.A413F600" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01BE409C.A413F600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ross, How are possibilities of opening up the ability to send messages to the = kr group even though all I receive is the summaries? I wanted to join = in temporarily, but the gate locks me out. Perhaps you could post the = request for information for me - I am including it as the next = paragraph. Has anyone considered using an airbag, or rather a set of airbags that = can be inflated manually if you are going down unexpectedly? It = wouldn't save an airframe, but it could provide some good cushioning for = the pilot & passenger that seems to work well in cars (and on Mars), and = seems to be something we can construct ourselves - lightweight, too. = Does anybody on the list know anything about airbags? Jim Jasper jjasper@inconnect.com =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01BE409C.A413F600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ross,
How are possibilities of opening up the ability to = send=20 messages to the kr group even though all I receive is the = summaries?  I=20 wanted to join in temporarily, but the gate locks me out.  Perhaps = you=20 could post the request for information for me - I am including it as the = next=20 paragraph.
 
Has anyone considered using an = airbag, or rather=20 a set of airbags that can be inflated manually if you are going down=20 unexpectedly?  It wouldn't save an airframe, but it could provide = some good=20 cushioning for the pilot & passenger that seems to work well in cars = (and on=20 Mars), and seems to be something we can construct ourselves - = lightweight,=20 too.  Does anybody on the list know anything about = airbags?
Jim Jasper
jjasper@inconnect.com 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0074_01BE409C.A413F600-- --------------5B6B17F076165E729BEF7453-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: ALL COMPOSITE KR2S From: "Albert Pecoraro" Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:15:04 EST X-Message-Number: 10 <>> Rich, I think you have covered the most salient points of why KR builders choose to build a KR as opposed to the other aircraft you mentioned. My personal experience last summer at Oshkosh led me to pursue the KR as my personal, 1st-time aircraft. I was not treated that well by the Glasair and Lancair folks at Oshkosh. They did answer a few of my questions, but to me it seemed like they were more interested in taking my $50 for a "demo-ride" (which would be deducted from the purchase price of the kit if I opted to buy one within one month! Ooh, what an incentive!!!) I had ordered a whole bunch of information kits on planes similar to the KR-2S and these are prices one would expect to pay for the following aircraft kits (no engine, instruments, avionics, paint, wires): Glasair II - $21k - $25K - $29K ... Taildragger - Fixed-Tri - Retract $55K - $85K complete Lancair - $27K - $50K ... depending on model $70K - $110K complete Pulsar II - $30K - $33K $49K - $65K complete These are approximate prices ranges for these aircraft. Now, here is what you get for performance: Glasair II w/200HP - +220mph, 250mph Vne Lancair w/200HP - +220mph, 250mph Vne Pulsar II w/Rotax 914 Turbo - 180mph, 200mph Vne Now, based on my conversations with KR builders and their reports on performance, you can build a complete KR-2S for around $15K - $20K. Of course, you could spend that much on instruments and avionics alone, but that isn't my point. So what if it isn't a composite. So what if it isn't on the "cutting edge of technology" ... compare the flexibility you have when building a KR-2S as opposed to the other 3 aircraft mentioned above. Also, have you asked any of the composite builders about their build times? ... it seems like these composite builders are doing lay-ups for 5-8 years. And then guess what happens? ... You're plane is now 5 models behind and you are no longer on the "cutting edge" you thought you were at when you purchased the plane!!! (HAAAA!) ;-) And I loudly applaud the people on this site who want to develop the new plane. Heck, when I heard what Dr. Dean was up to I automaticaly thought of the Falco (once again, a beautiful plane but way out of my price range and building skill). I said to myself, "Well whaddya know? Isn't that clever!" ... very clever indeed! But ... I've made my decision and I'm sticking with my KR-2S. In the future, my 2nd plane may very well be the model that is being developed by those on this site. Sorry for the novel ... Flame away if you want. Cheers! Albert Pecoraro Kentwood, MI 49508 616-281-3828 (H) 616-247-2803 (W) apec97@hotmail.com http://fly.to/hangar-AP <--- Click on the Eagle! Bottom cross members fitted ... Building spars & stabilizers ... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: How not to From: "w.g. kirkland" Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:34:12 -0500 X-Message-Number: 11 I never make the same mistake twice but it seems I've made them all once. I was making up the turtle deck and was experimenting with the 2 part urethane foam as a glue. It seems to work ok but when it comes to sanding the joints the 2 part is harder than the urethane boards. To correct that I experimented a bit and found that 1/3 part A and 2/3 part B make a more easily sanded foam. Ok so the hard parts I excavated with my Dremel tool then just before I glassed it I filled the depressions with epoxy (West system) and sylica. DO'NT DO THIS!!!! It looks good at the time but when the Glass dries you have a wholelot of lumps from the filler. Now I have a fine Dog house with a front and back door for my poodle but I will have to start over on the turtle deck. Read and Heed. W.G. KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [Fwd: Parachutes] From: "w.g. kirkland" Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:39:06 -0500 X-Message-Number: 12 Only some of those on the net. W.G. KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ---------- > From: Ross Youngblood > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] [Fwd: Parachutes] > Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 5:17 PM > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [Fwd: engine mount] From: "Benny Skyn" Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:42:24 -0800 X-Message-Number: 13 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01BE59D3.B675D660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Would this work on a kr 1? My firewall is 19'' at the top and 17.5 at = the bottom.If so, how much are you asking?=20 Benny -----Original Message----- From: Ross Youngblood To: KR-net users group Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 1:18 PM Subject: [kr-net] [Fwd: engine mount] =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01BE59D3.B675D660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Would this work on a kr 1? My = firewall is 19''=20 at the top and 17.5 at the bottom.If so, how much are you asking? =
Benny
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------=_NextPart_000_0032_01BE59D3.B675D660-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: New Members & Apology From: Ross Youngblood Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 14:56:18 -0800 X-Message-Number: 14 I thought I'd apologize to all the new members who waited patiently for the last several weeks to become KR-netters. I have been traveling too much for work and the last six weeks left no time for KRNET admin duties. Mark Langford dropped me a line asking me to subscribe a couple of netters, and this spurred me to wade through 120+ emails. I have three different computers where I recieve email at, so I may have a couple of stragglers but I got the main pile out of the way. We are now at 373 KR-net members! A big increase from the original 79 members a few years ago. Welcome! -- Regards Ross Youngblood KR-NET admin krnet@krnet.org rossy@teleport.com P.S. If anyone wants to help out with list admin tasks, let me know. I can turn list "admin" duties on for your account and you will get list admin requests. Majordomo was turned off 2/16/99 so if you are not getting this email, that is why... :) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: ALL COMPOSITE KR2S From: David Moore Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 14:59:09 +0000 X-Message-Number: 15 Richard, There is nothing to flame you about, you are right. The other day I was over at Boulder City Airport (Nevada) and talking to a man about a hanger. He took me inside his and there was a Lancair 320, and for the first time I noticed how small it actually is, not much bigger than a KR2s (with a few more bells and whistles). And I remembered a story about Lance Neiber selling his KR2 to start Lancair. So like I said Lancair is just an expensive all composite KR! Dave Moore >Since most of us on the KR-net are like proud papas of KR's I can think >of about half a dozen experimentals already on the market that could be >perceived as "All Composite KR-2S" The "Vision" is practically marketed >as one. The rest are tweaked more or less, more HP engines, controls, >airfoils etc. These are the one that the seasoned builders are going >after. Glasair, Celerity, Lancair (Yeah maybe I'm stretching it a >little) but when I see people oogling over a big buck experimental I >love to say "yeah its just like the one I'm building except with a few >more bells and whistles" > >Flame away! > >Rich Parker >richontheroad@hotmail.com >http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm >Jaffrey, NH > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: dgmoore1@gte.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > David G. Moore mailto:dgmoore1@gte.net Henderson, Nevada ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: test From: * Flesner * Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 18:23:00 X-Message-Number: 16 new e-mail address test ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [Fwd: new member intro] From: "RONALD R. EASON" Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 19:17:01 -0600 X-Message-Number: 17 Welcome Bill to the adventure of building a KR. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: what engine is this? From: Steven Eberhart Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 19:20:34 -0600 (CST) X-Message-Number: 18 On Tue, 16 Feb 1999, David Glauser wrote: > In the latest Europa mailing list FAQ there is a new engine mentioned: > > Wilksch Aeromotive 3-cyl 2-stroke 120bhp turbodiesel (factory trial due > 1999) > > This is the first I've heard of it. Can anyone provide more information, > and/or a web site? Failing that, please quiz Ivan on the subject. > > Thanks, > David Glauser > Does anyone know anything about this engine? If it will fit in an Europa it should fit into a KR. 120 hp turbo diesel, now that should make the 200 mph cruise KR-2S a reality if it's weight is within reason. Steve Eberhart ------------------------------------- http://www.newtech.com/nlf One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly food for thought and is in no way intended to imply that it is anything more than ideas requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Measuring Wing Incidence From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 20:46:20 -0500 X-Message-Number: 19 At 09:56 AM 2/16/99 -0800, you wrote: >Douglas Dorfmeier wrote: >> >> I plan to start work on my wings soon and have been strugling with the >> question of how to best measure wing incidence. I am tentatively >> planning on measuring the incidence using the firewall as a guide, but >> at this point I have no idea how I am going to measure the incidence of >> the outer wing. Suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Doug, Figuring actual incidence in units of measure, (inches/MM, etc.) is easy. First, you need to know 2 things. 1. The actual wing cord 2. The 0 angle for that particular airfoil. If you want to set your wing to +1 degree from the datum, which is the 0 angle of your airfoil, then the formula is; 48" for the RAF 48 inner rib, X 2, X Pi, X (# of degrees), devided by 360, (degrees in a circle.) Which is, 48 X 2 X 3.17 X 1/ 360 = .84533 ". 3.5 degrees looks like this, 48 X 2 X 3.17 X 3.5/360 = 2.95866" 2 degrees for the 36" outer rib looks like this, 36 X 2 X 3.17 X 2/360 = 1.268" Establish your 0 angle with the water level, then raise the front of your rib the amount of inches calculated above and lock it down with clamps. (This works just the same for negative degrees as well) (-1 degree is the same as +1 degree, just measure in the opposite direction from your datum). Have I confused everyone yet?? (-; WD Wayne DeLisle Sr. mailto:dodger@coincidental.net http://angst.webserve.net/~dodger ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: ALL COMPOSITE KR2S From: Ron Freiberger Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 20:48:15 -0500 X-Message-Number: 20 Now you have a new experience; I'm building a KR2 (approximately) after building Ron's OneSpezoio Variant, plus a Cassutt, most of a Mustang 2, and restore/Major repair of a Jodel D11. This aircraft is a fascinating design, and I'm enjoying it...but I haven't built the wings.. Setup as a nice single place, or a possible two place. Fuselage extended +5, +14 Aft Warm in Southwest Florida, Ron Freiberger -----Original Message----- Subject: [kr-net] Re: ALL COMPOSITE KR2S My experience is that those people who have built A/C before are not building KR's as their next project ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: what engine is this? From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 20:51:41 -0500 X-Message-Number: 21 Should freak out the ramp jocky when you taxi up and ask to have the tank filled with JP4 also. (-; At 07:20 PM 2/16/99 -0600, you wrote: >On Tue, 16 Feb 1999, David Glauser wrote: > >> In the latest Europa mailing list FAQ there is a new engine mentioned: >> >> Wilksch Aeromotive 3-cyl 2-stroke 120bhp turbodiesel (factory trial due >> 1999) >> >> This is the first I've heard of it. Can anyone provide more information, >> and/or a web site? Failing that, please quiz Ivan on the subject. >> >> Thanks, >> David Glauser >> > >Does anyone know anything about this engine? If it will fit in an Europa >it should fit into a KR. 120 hp turbo diesel, now that should make the >200 mph cruise KR-2S a reality if it's weight is within reason. > >Steve Eberhart >------------------------------------- >http://www.newtech.com/nlf > >One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are >easier to get. > --plagiarized from an unknown author > >All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly >food for thought and is in no way intended to imply that it is anything >more than ideas requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: dodger@coincidental.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > Wayne DeLisle Sr. mailto:dodger@coincidental.net http://angst.webserve.net/~dodger ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Measuring Wing Incidence From: "Mark Langford" Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 20:14:03 -0600 X-Message-Number: 22 WingGlassers, If you're setting your incidence, don't forget to prop up under the aft spar with a suitable piece of wooden 1x while the epoxy is curing. That goes double for glassing the wing. You'd be surprised how much that angle can change with a little evenly distributed weight across the wing, since the main spar is so stiff and the aft is so flimsy. And once the glass cures, you're not gonna change it. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: 99 KR Gathering Questions From: MARVIN MCCOY Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 18:44:41 -0800 X-Message-Number: 23 ---------- I tried to e-mail Dana with these questions but it may not have got through. I am making commercial flight reservations and need to know what city is the best to fly into. I don't think Continental will fly into the Park. Also, I don't know where I got it, but I have two names for the park. Kentucky Dam Village State Resort Park and also Lake Barkley State Resort Park. Which park is it?? Also what motel is everyone going to stay at. I have a number of 1800 325-1798. Is that correct?? Thanks. Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field ------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Diesel Power (was Re: what engine is this?) From: Mike Mims Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 19:01:34 -0800 X-Message-Number: 24 "Wayne DeLisle Sr." wrote: > Should freak out the ramp jocky when you taxi up > and ask to have the tank filled with JP4 also. (-; If anyone is seriously interested in diesel power you should look into VWs new TDI. It is based on the one of the smaller 1.6 or 1.8 liter european engines. It is electronically injected and turbo charged. This little engine pumps out over 90hp and has more torque than its 2.0 liter gas brother. Also since it is electronically injected there are speed shops out there re-chipping them to over 150hp. Weight on this engine less a redrive (direct drive would be the hot setup since max HP is about 3800rpm) would be around 220 pounds. The engine has been available in the US for 3 years now. As silly as it sounds this engines performance data is almost perfect for airplanes. Cheep diesel fuel, no carb ice, lots of torque, no ignition, and altitude compensation!! Even though this engine is a diesel it will pass Ca SMOG. The diesel engine has come A LONG way, that's for sure. Also in its stock configuration this engine gets over 55mpg in the VW Golf. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [kr-net] From: CHOCTAWCWR@aol.com Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:04:19 EST X-Message-Number: 25 have any of you do it yourself gurus devised a way to build from scratch a strobe lite kit and if so would you share the parts list and schematic, etc.thanks, charles robison ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [Fwd: Parachutes] From: "andy picklesimer" Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 19:05:36 -0800 X-Message-Number: 26 Re Airbags: I am a volunteer firefighter and am on our county's crash response team (auto extrication/Jaws of Life.) I have been to several classes that deal with airbag deployment. They are compact explosive devices and have the potential to really hurt someone who is installing or removing them from cars. But . . . there are junkyards full of these things undeployed, and someone with engineering experience could figure out a way to make 'em work. Even cheap cars like my Suzuki Sidekick have two of 'em. But after seeing the damage they can do personally, I'd never try to engineer an installation on one of these systems myself. -----Original Message----- From: Ross Youngblood To: KR-net users group Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 2:20 PM Subject: [kr-net] [Fwd: Parachutes] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: PBS - Nova From: Donald Reid Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:30:11 -0500 X-Message-Number: 27 Tonight (Tuesday 2-16), there was a Nova show on car crashes and auto safety. Tomorrow night (2-17) will be one on planes and boats. It was worth the time (actually I was in the shop and had it going as background while I worked on engine cooling shrouds). -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [kr-net] From: "w.g. kirkland" Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 23:06:06 -0500 X-Message-Number: 28 I'll double that. It would be good info. Seems to me there used to be some kit manufacturers. W.G. KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ---------- > From: CHOCTAWCWR@aol.com > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Re: [kr-net] > Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 10:04 PM > > have any of you do it yourself gurus devised a way to build from scratch a > strobe lite kit and if so would you share the parts list and schematic, > etc.thanks, charles robison > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: kirkland@vianet.on.ca > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Prop Weights/selection From: Elttes@aol.com Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 00:12:56 EST X-Message-Number: 29 Good deal. I'm begging the wife right now for $650 for a Warp Drive prop. Rich Parker ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------- Rich, I'm curious why you want to go with a warp drive? Is it for your KR2? I currently have one and am considering purchasing a wooden prop for my KR2 due to Steve Bennet's recommendation to use wood only. Im interested to hear others thoughts on this. Thanks, Rick Settle Chuluota, FL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: warp drive From: boggyd@webtv.net (D Bogdan) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 23:46:29 -0600 (CST) X-Message-Number: 30 some time ago, I spoke with the mfg of the warp drive prop who advised me not to use their product with my intended vw engine. regards, dj Success comes in cans.... not in can'ts, --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com