From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 12:17 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: February 23, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Tuesday, February 23, 1999. 1. Re: KR engines 2. Re: brake line 'straw' 3. Re: Franklin engines 4. Folding wing picts 5. 2-S wing tanks 6. Brake line straws 7. Diehl gear 8. RE: 2-S wing tanks 9. RE: Folding wing picts 10. Re: Diehl gear 11. RE: Folding wing picts 12. Franklin engines 13. RE: 2-S wing tanks 14. good plans! 15. Re: Franklin engines 16. RE: 2-S wing tanks 17. Re: Franklin engines 18. KR outer wings. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR engines From: Andreas Meyer Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:40:46 -0500 X-Message-Number: 1 John M. Wadleigh wrote: > > I purchased the sport 4, which is 116 hp for cruise, and up to 130 hp > for takeoff power. The dry weight of the engine is 225 lbs - the same as > an 0290 lycoming. The price is very reasonable - especially considering > that this is an aircraft engine. I am told that for a flat 4 cylinder > engine, the Franklin is very smooth. The 4 cylinder Franklin engine is indeed a nice one. The 2 cylinder one is a whole different ball game though. I thought that the 4 banger was a little bit too heavy for a KR though. What is the max weight builders are hanging out in front there? Andreas ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: brake line 'straw' From: Swooper Dave Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 06:29:34 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Number: 2 I believe you'll find the straws at Jack-N-The-Box,the ones for the shakes, to be perfect. I did. == BLUESKIES, SOFTLANDINGS Swooper _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Franklin engines From: Andreas Meyer Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 10:27:38 -0500 X-Message-Number: 3 I've had a couple of people ask me about Franklin engines so rather than keep answering individual questions I'll point you to one site: http://www.ezlink.com/~franklin/ Hopefully you'll get most of the info you need or if you need more info give them a call. My personal opinion is that the 4 cylinder engine is too heavy for the KR but if anybody buys one let us know how it works out. Andreas ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Folding wing picts From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:58:22 -0600 X-Message-Number: 4 Netters, The KR-1 folding wing pictures were handed over to Mark Langford. He said he would post them somewhere for everyone to see. Ed Janssen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 2-S wing tanks From: "Saunders" Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:38:19 -0500 X-Message-Number: 5 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE5F5B.AEF66AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What kind of volume are you guys coming up with on the 2-S wing tanks? = I'm planning on extending out 50 inches and would be interested in what = kind of capacity some of the other builders have.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE5F5B.AEF66AC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

What kind of volume are you guys = coming up with=20 on the 2-S wing tanks? I'm planning on extending out 50 inches and = would=20 be interested in what kind of capacity some of the other builders have.=20

------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE5F5B.AEF66AC0-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Brake line straws From: Kerry Miller Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 19:13:46 -0600 X-Message-Number: 6 We tried the McDonald's straws since they are larger diameter than most others, but then we found (by much investigation and serious research) that if you go to a Sonic Drive-in and order a Route 44 drink (I used Dr. Pepper but I'm sure others will substitute), you get the same diameter straw in a longer length. The problem with this research is that if I do much more of it I might not fit into the KR! Kerry ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Diehl gear From: Jim Faughn Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 19:31:13 -0600 X-Message-Number: 7 --------------7E612908C548E8BB163D7548 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got mine from McDonnell's. They gave me a funny look when I went through the drive through and told them what it was for. It wasn't the first funny look I received when building. Jim Faughn N8931JF St. Louis, MO (314) 652-7659 or (573) 465-8039 ************* Please help. I have purchased the Diehl trigear for my KR2S project. The instructions talk about gluing a "straw" on the gear prior to applying the scotchgard glass. This "straw" will carry the brake line. What kind of straw is used? Should this straw be plastic or waxed paper? What thickness (diameter) should this straw be? I am assuming that Diehl is talking about a drinking straw - or is there a composite tubing that is called a "straw"? Any help is appreciated. Thanks. -- --------------7E612908C548E8BB163D7548 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I got mine from McDonnell's. They gave me a funny look when I went through the drive through and told them what it was for. It wasn't the first funny look I received when building.

Jim Faughn N8931JF
St. Louis, MO
(314) 652-7659 or (573) 465-8039

*************
Please help. I have purchased the Diehl trigear for my KR2S project.
The instructions talk about gluing a "straw" on the gear prior to
applying the scotchgard glass. This "straw" will carry the brake line.
What kind of straw is used? Should this straw be plastic or waxed paper?
What thickness (diameter) should this straw be? I am assuming that
Diehl is talking about a drinking straw - or is there a composite tubing
that is called a "straw"?
Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

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--------------7E612908C548E8BB163D7548-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: 2-S wing tanks From: "Mark Langford" Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 19:34:37 -0600 X-Message-Number: 8 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BE5F63.8C43B0C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saunders wrote: >What kind of volume are you guys coming up with on the 2-S wing tanks? I'm planning >on extending out 50 inches and would be interested in what kind of capacity some of the >other builders have. I got a half a gallon per inch of stub wing, which means I've got two 19" wide wing tanks, and I have 19 gallons of fuel capacity, not counting baffles, sender, and airspace. I could have easily gotten 23" wide tanks had I been slightly smarter and considered what I was about to affect when I glued on my plywood airfoil templates 4 inches away from the fuselage. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BE5F63.8C43B0C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Saunders wrote:

>What kind of = volume are you=20 guys coming up with on the 2-S wing tanks? I'm planning >on extending out 50 inches and would be = interested in=20 what kind of capacity some of the >other builders = have.=20

I got=20 a half a gallon per inch of stub wing, which means I've got two 19" = wide=20 wing tanks, and I have 19 gallons of fuel capacity, not counting = baffles,=20 sender, and airspace. I could have easily gotten 23" wide = tanks had I=20 been slightly smarter and considered what I was about to affect when I = glued on=20 my plywood airfoil templates 4 inches away from the=20 fuselage.

Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
mailto:langford@hiwaay.net
see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford

------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BE5F63.8C43B0C0-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Folding wing picts From: "Mark Langford" Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 19:34:39 -0600 X-Message-Number: 9 > The KR-1 folding wing pictures were handed over to Mark Langford. He said > he would post them somewhere for everyone to see. They are at: http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/foldwing.jpg Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Diehl gear From: "w.g. kirkland" Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 20:39:43 -0500 X-Message-Number: 10 I got mine from the DQ. If you are using cable brakes just about any size will do but if you are going hydraulic check the catalogue for the tube OS Diam. W.G. KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ---------- > From: Bobby Muse > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Re: Diehl gear > Date: Monday, February 22, 1999 9:03 PM > > At 07:19 AM 02/22/1999 -0700, you wrote: > >Please help. I have purchased the Diehl trigear for my KR2S project. > >The instructions talk about gluing a "straw" on the gear prior to > >applying the scotchgard glass. This "straw" will carry the brake line. > >What kind of straw is used? Should this straw be plastic or waxed paper? > > What thickness (diameter) should this straw be? I am assuming that > >Diehl is talking about a drinking straw - or is there a composite tubing > >that is called a "straw"? > > > >Any help is appreciated. Thanks. > > > > > >John Wadleigh > > > > I first decided what size brake that I was going to use. Then I went to > several fast food restaurants to find a plastic shraw that was the correct > size. """For me that was McDonalds, ..... I believe that this may have been > the greatest R&D project ever!!""" > > By the way, one straw per saide is not enought, I used Hot Glue to hold the > straws together and to the gear leg while glassing the gear leg. > > I hope it helps. > > Bobby Muse > mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com > Wimberly, TX > > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: kirkland@vianet.on.ca > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Folding wing picts From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 21:20:59 -0500 X-Message-Number: 11 Nice looking KR1. I like the creative use of a boat trailer for transport. As far as the folding wing hardware goes, it looks like you still have to unbolt the WAF's just like always, so I don't see the utility of the deal. Maybe I'm missing something.... WD At 07:34 PM 2/23/99 -0600, you wrote: >> The KR-1 folding wing pictures were handed over to Mark Langford. He said >> he would post them somewhere for everyone to see. > >They are at: http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/foldwing.jpg > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama >mailto:langford@hiwaay.net >see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: dodger@coincidental.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > Wayne DeLisle Sr. mailto:dodger@coincidental.net http://angst.webserve.net/~dodger ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Franklin engines From: "John M. Wadleigh" Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 21:23:41 -0700 X-Message-Number: 12 I purchased my Franklin sport 4 engine for $6,500.00. The engine is essentially "0" time. This was with all accessories except the carburetor. Bob has been working on a throttle body - which I am very interested in. Again, the empty weight is supposed to be 206 lbs. However, with the accessories, the weight is more like 225 lbs. This is a little heavier than a small Continental, and about the same weight as a Lycoming 0290. I purchased this engine from Bob Skaggs at: Franklin Parts and Service 2756 W. Fairview Rd. Underwood, Ind. 47177 1(812)752-6919 As for the additional weight (a larger VW dry weight is ~ 180 lbs), I plan on strengthening the fire wall; and adding a ply skin on the inside of the fuselage from the fire wall back through the cabin. I think that this will increase the strength, while not adding a lot of weight. I will not have the lightest KR2S. I hope, though, that I do not have the heaviest. However, with a stronger and reliable aircraft engine, I believe the cruise will be satisfactory. John Wadleigh Tucson, Az. jwnw@juno.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: 2-S wing tanks From: "Saunders" Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 23:25:42 -0500 X-Message-Number: 13 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE5F83.D4839420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the response, I guess I should have been a little more = specific, My wing tanks will be in the outboard wings only, 50 inches = long. My estimate is about 13.5 gal per wing, with two baffles per = tank. There will not be a header tank, the plan was to plumb dual pumps = in a manner where either pump would supply the carb in event of one = failing. I remember meeting a builder in Columbia last year who had = built a similar setup. Any hints, comments or suggestions would be = appreciated. My project is belly up waiting on some materials from = Wicks before finishing the wing tanks. =20 -----Original Message----- From: Mark Langford To: KR-net users group Date: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 8:37 PM Subject: [kr-net] RE: 2-S wing tanks =20 =20 Saunders wrote: =20 =20 >What kind of volume are you guys coming up with on the 2-S wing = tanks? I'm planning >on extending out 50 inches and would be interested = in what kind of capacity some of the >other builders have.=20 =20 I got a half a gallon per inch of stub wing, which means I've got = two 19" wide wing tanks, and I have 19 gallons of fuel capacity, not = counting baffles, sender, and airspace. I could have easily gotten 23" = wide tanks had I been slightly smarter and considered what I was about = to affect when I glued on my plywood airfoil templates 4 inches away = from the fuselage. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE5F83.D4839420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks for the response, I guess I = should have=20 been a little more specific, My wing tanks will be in the outboard wings = only,=20 50 inches long. My estimate is about 13.5 gal per wing, with two = baffles=20 per tank. There will not be a header tank, the plan was to plumb = dual=20 pumps in a manner where either pump would supply the carb in event of = one=20 failing. I remember meeting a builder in Columbia last year who = had built=20 a similar setup. Any hints, comments or suggestions would be=20 appreciated. My project is belly up waiting on some materials from = Wicks=20 before finishing the wing tanks.

-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Mark Langford <langford@hiwaay.net>
To:= =20 KR-net users group <kr-net@telelists.com>
D= ate:=20 Tuesday, February 23, 1999 8:37 PM
Subject: [kr-net] = RE: 2-S=20 wing tanks

Saunders wrote:

>What kind of = volume are=20 you guys coming up with on the 2-S wing tanks? I'm planning = >on extending out 50 inches and would be = interested=20 in what kind of capacity some of the >other = builders have.=20

I=20 got a half a gallon per inch of stub wing, which means I've got two = 19"=20 wide wing tanks, and I have 19 gallons of fuel capacity, not = counting=20 baffles, sender, and airspace. I could have easily gotten = 23"=20 wide tanks had I been slightly smarter and considered what I was = about to=20 affect when I glued on my plywood airfoil templates 4 inches away = from the=20 fuselage.

Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
mailto:langford@hiwaay.net
see KR2S N56ML at = http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford

------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE5F83.D4839420-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: good plans! From: Kr2dream@aol.com Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 22:52:29 EST X-Message-Number: 14 After two years of struggling with the R-R plans for my KR2-S I have just seen a set of plans for the 1/2 scale Corsair put out by WAR of Florida. Besides a manual the size of the KR manual (except all of it is applicable) there are 46 sheets of drawings with EVERY part detailed in full size. NOTHING is left to be invented by the builder. Their plans sets are complete and beautifully done. The KR's would really be a dream to build if we had anything comparable. Sorry for the divergence but I had to pass this on. Bob Lasecki frusterated but still glassing in Chicago ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Franklin engines From: "JEAN" Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 23:24:48 -0600 X-Message-Number: 15 According to the manual, my o-200 weighs 222.9 lbs. dry excluding exhaust. So I would go with the Franklin and not look back. Martin Roberts KR has many hours with an O-200 with short wings. Jean N4DD -----Original Message----- From: John M. Wadleigh To: KR-net users group Date: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 10:26 PM Subject: [kr-net] Franklin engines >I purchased my Franklin sport 4 engine for $6,500.00. The engine is >essentially "0" time. This was with all accessories except the >carburetor. Bob has been working on a throttle body - which I am very >interested in. Again, the empty weight is supposed to be 206 lbs. >However, with the accessories, the weight is more like 225 lbs. This is >a little heavier than a small Continental, and about the same weight as >a Lycoming 0290. > >I purchased this engine from Bob Skaggs at: > > Franklin Parts and Service > 2756 W. Fairview Rd. > Underwood, Ind. 47177 > 1(812)752-6919 > >As for the additional weight (a larger VW dry weight is ~ 180 lbs), I >plan on strengthening the fire wall; and adding a ply skin on the inside >of the fuselage from the fire wall back through the cabin. I think that >this will increase the strength, while not adding a lot of weight. I >will not have the lightest KR2S. I hope, though, that I do not have the >heaviest. However, with a stronger and reliable aircraft engine, I >believe the cruise will be satisfactory. > >John Wadleigh >Tucson, Az. >jwnw@juno.com >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: N4DD@prodigy.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: 2-S wing tanks From: Mike Mims Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 22:06:03 -0800 X-Message-Number: 16 > Saunders wrote: > > Thanks for the response, I guess I should have been a little more > specific, My wing tanks will be in the outboard wings only, 50 inches > long.>>>> From what I understand this may not be a good idea. The little KRs tend to get wing heavy with a slight imbalance of fuel load when the tanks are in the outboard sections of the wing. There is a KR pilot at my airport (actually he is on this list, you there Larry?) who once told me he wished he would have built a header tank. Maybe he will comment on this? Larry hello, you there? :o) -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Still Building the Cowling... mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Franklin engines From: Mike Mims Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 22:07:20 -0800 X-Message-Number: 17 JEAN wrote: > > . Martin Roberts KR has > many hours with an O-200 with short wings. > Jean > N4DD Jean do you know if Martin's firewall is stock or if he made mods to it what where they? -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Still Building the Cowling... mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KR outer wings. From: Tlongcrier@aol.com Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 00:52:36 EST X-Message-Number: 18 Is there a proceedure for glassing the outer wings without turning the plane upside down? TLongcrier@aol.com --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com