From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Sunday, March 07, 1999 12:18 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: March 06, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Saturday, March 06, 1999. 1. Re: Hinge covers 2. RE: KR2S or DFly 3. Re: KR2-S wing & cockpit 4. RE: KR2S or DFly (New KR2S flying) 5. Browsing old krnet lists 6. Re: Hinge covers 7. side mounted control stick 8. Re: KR2-S wing & cockpit 9. RE: KR2S or DFly 10. Re: KR2-S wing & cockpit W/HAPPY99 ATCHMENT 11. TEST 12. HAPPY99 13. Re: Hinge covers 14. Re: KR2-S wing & cockpit 15. RE: KR2S or DFly (New KR2S flying) 16. HAPPY99 INFO 17. Re: PROPS/TORQUE & HP 18. Re: KR2-S wing & cockpit 19. Re: HAPPY99 INFO 20. Re: Contains Happy99.Exe 21. Re: side mounted control stick 22. RE: KR2S or DFly 23. RE: KR2S or DFly (New KR2S flying) 24. Re: A little help 25. Re: A little help 26. Re: Hinge covers 27. Re: Hinge covers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Hinge covers From: SkyHawk11@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 04:13:25 EST X-Message-Number: 1 BOB SMITH JUST HAD HIS INSPECTED BY FAA AND THEY DO NOT WANT HINGES COVERED MUST BE WHERE THEY CAN SEE THE PIN OR BOLT THAT IS USED FOR A PIVOT HAD TO TRIM OUT FIBER GLASS TO EXPOSE HINGE PIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: KR2S or DFly From: SkyHawk11@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 04:24:32 EST X-Message-Number: 2 KR2S N808BS WAS COMPLETED 3/1/99 AND FAA APPROVED AT 2PM ON 3/2/99. AT 3.15 N808BS TOOK FROM THE RUNWAY AND FLEW PERFECTLY FOR THE FIRST TIME. NO TRIM WAS NECESSARY!!!!!!!!! THREE FLIGHTS WERE COMPLETED THAT AFTERNOON WITH A TOP SPEED OF 160 MPH IAS. AT 70 PERCENT POWER WHAT A BEAUTIFUL AIRPLANE IT BELONGS TO A FRIEND AND WAS COMPLETED IN 19 MO OF SPARE TIME WORK WHILE HOLDING A FULL TIME JOB ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR2-S wing & cockpit From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 05:15:11 -0500 X-Message-Number: 3 I sent Jurgen a copy of the directions on removing HAPPY99. WD At 08:39 AM 3/6/99 +0100, you wrote: > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: dodger@coincidental.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > > >Attachment Converted: "C:\Program Files\Eudora\attach\Happy99.exe" > -------------------------------------------- Wayne DeLisle Sr. Charlotte, NC mailto:dodger@coincidental.net http://angst.webserve.net/~dodger -------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: KR2S or DFly (New KR2S flying) From: "Tom Andersen" Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 07:51:37 -0500 X-Message-Number: 4 OK guys of all the messages we see on KRNet, this type is TOPS! Yea! Can we have some more details on this plane, maybe some pics? I'm curious as to the engine/prop/gear/weight/mods are for the plane. I'll be glad to post the pics if web space is an issue, I still have another 9MB of space left in my account. Can we hear some KR flying stories from the currently flying KR's? I just know you guys are zipping all over the countryside in your planes and that talk is so inspiring, but we rarely hear it on KRNet. Bobby, Jeff, Adrian? I know we probably have more than 15 KR drivers here, please don't be shy! -Tom Andersen Orlando, FL KR-2S under construction, spar/gear construction. KR-2S foam kit for sale, $200 KR-2S stock header tank $150 Subaru EA-81 engine $200 >KR2S N808BS WAS COMPLETED 3/1/99 AND FAA APPROVED AT 2PM > >ON 3/2/99. AT 3.15 N808BS TOOK FROM THE RUNWAY AND FLEW PERFECTLY FOR THE >FIRST TIME. NO TRIM WAS NECESSARY!!!!!!!!! > >THREE FLIGHTS WERE COMPLETED THAT AFTERNOON WITH A TOP SPEED OF 160 MPH IAS. >AT 70 PERCENT POWER WHAT A BEAUTIFUL AIRPLANE > >IT BELONGS TO A FRIEND AND WAS COMPLETED IN 19 MO OF SPARE TIME WORK WHILE >HOLDING A FULL TIME JOB ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Browsing old krnet lists From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 09:11:23 -0500 X-Message-Number: 5 >>>> From owner-krnet-l@teleport.com Tue Jul 30 10:37:11 1996 Subject: KR-Online format Item Subject: cc:Mail Text Regarding format, Mike Graves makes a good point. Not everyone on-line has a PC. Our standard should be something that is independant of the platform. If we use HTML, then everyone can access the information with full functionality. Someone even mentioned the fact that we could have links to the articles from various issues. This is something that is coming, so why don't we face it quys, in five years we'll all be HTML literate. Why can't we start learning now. <<<< How about that as a prophetic statement?? WD -------------------------------------------- Wayne DeLisle Sr. Charlotte, NC mailto:dodger@coincidental.net http://angst.webserve.net/~dodger -------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Hinge covers From: Donald Reid Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 09:13:01 -0500 X-Message-Number: 6 SkyHawk11@aol.com wrote: > > BOB SMITH JUST HAD HIS INSPECTED BY FAA AND THEY DO NOT WANT HINGES COVERED > MUST BE WHERE THEY CAN SEE THE PIN OR BOLT THAT IS USED FOR A PIVOT HAD TO > TRIM OUT FIBER GLASS TO EXPOSE > HINGE PIN I have never seen this requirement written in any government regulation. It is not a part of the certification process of homebuilts. I suspect that the inspector wanted it done and said that it was a requirement, when in fact it is not. You as the builder deceide what is required. Next time, tell him to prove that there is a requirement. If he can't find it in writing, it does not exist. -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: side mounted control stick From: CruzJ12@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 09:36:29 EST X-Message-Number: 7 Does anyone have sketches of a side mounted control stick? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR2-S wing & cockpit From: Steven Eberhart Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 09:11:06 -0600 (CST) X-Message-Number: 8 On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, Juergen Esser wrote: > Hallo > I am new at kr-net. > As a german builder I have the following question(s) to the scene. > Because hangar-space is expensive I need an idea for a quick detach system > for the wings. I want to trailor my KR home after flying. I can not use a > folding wing mechanism, because the trailor-wide is limited. > Is there anybody who can help me with a drawing or a web-side? > By the way, has anybody experience about changing the airfoil of the wing? > Or about using the hot-wire methode to cut foam? > The new airfoils have been designed by Dr. Selig and Ashok, University of Illinois, and wind tunnel tested last fall. My project for this summer is the design of a new wing for the KR-2S. The main features are: 1. No stub wings, constant taper wing planform with the dihedral break at the center of the wing. AS5048 18% root airfoil, AS5045 15% tip airfoil. 2. Utilize the titanium landing gear legs from the Sonex mounted to a modified engine mount that has the tubing sockets for the gear attachment added. 3. Conventional wing control surfaces. 20% chord 30% span ailerons with 30% chord 70% span extended lip, semi-fowler, slotted flaps. 4. Since the landing gear is now mounted to the fuselage rather than the wing - quick rigging plug in wing panels, ala Europa, can be used. 5. Wing construction to be carbon fiber main wing spars that overlap inside the fuselage and are connected together and to the spar carrythrough structure with two pip pins. Wing will utilize hot-wire cut blue styrofoam panels very similar to the construction of the origional Europa wing. 6. Wing area to be less than the stock KR-2S for higher wing loading but will have the same or lower stall speed due to the very effective semi-fowler slotted flaps. 7. THis wing will require a new horizontal stabilizer due to the greater elevator authority necessitated by the slotted flaps. THe horizontal stabilizer design is now under construction for testing on Dana Overall's KR-2 and is expected to result in greater stick force per G and increased pitch stability. I am planning on handling this project very similar to how we did the new airfoil project. After I have enough of the ground work done to be confident enough that there aren't going to be any show stoppers I will solicit contributions to the new wing fund. Reason for the fund is that we will be static load testing a complete wing panel to destruction to verify the integrity of the design. Yes, there will be a video of the test :-) All of the work will be documented on a web page for the project. Give me a few weeks to get it set up and I will let everyone know the URL. As in the airfoil project, contributiors will receive full size templates in return for their contributions after the new design wing has passed flight tests. Current plans are for this to be a project that can be retrofitted to an existing KR-2/KR-2S or be incorporated into new construction. > Also I want to expand the cockpit-wide a little bit but still want to use > the RR-canopy. How fare can I go? Because I am 6 feet+ I still need some > headroom. > I would be glad abaout a message > > Juergen Esser, Germany > Mark Langford's web page is a good starting point for widening your KR. Mike Mimms' web page also covers the hot wired foam wing cores he used on his Sky Pig KR-2S variant. Steve Eberhart ------------------------------------- http://www.newtech.com/nlf One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly food for thought and is in no way intended to imply that it is anything more than ideas requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: KR2S or DFly From: JEHayward@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:30:49 EST X-Message-Number: 9 In a message dated 3/6/99 2:25:16 AM Mountain Standard Time, SkyHawk11@aol.com writes: << IT BELONGS TO A FRIEND AND WAS COMPLETED IN 19 MO OF SPARE TIME WORK WHILE HOLDING A FULL TIME JOB >> Geez!!! Is he married or was he married and now single? :) Jim Hayward Rapid City, SD ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR2-S wing & cockpit W/HAPPY99 ATCHMENT From: "Rod Kelso" Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 08:36:41 -0700 X-Message-Number: 10 Hello Juergen Esser. I just received your e-mail about the KR2S wing & cockpit.. Also attached to your e-mail was the VIRUS HAPPY99 Please do not send another e-mail to [KR-net] until you get it cleaned up. Rod Kelso Denver, Colorado. ---------- > From: Juergen Esser > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] KR2-S wing & cockpit > Date: Friday, March 05, 1999 2:27 PM > > Hallo > I am new at kr-net. > As a german builder I have the following question(s) to the scene. > Because hangar-space is expensive I need an idea for a quick detach system > for the wings. I want to trailor my KR home after flying. I can not use a > folding wing mechanism, because the trailor-wide is limited. > Is there anybody who can help me with a drawing or a web-side? > By the way, has anybody experience about changing the airfoil of the wing? > Or about using the hot-wire methode to cut foam? > > Also I want to expand the cockpit-wide a little bit but still want to use > the RR-canopy. How fare can I go? Because I am 6 feet+ I still need some > headroom. > I would be glad abaout a message > > Juergen Esser, Germany > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rbk@orci.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: TEST From: "Rod Kelso" Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 08:40:05 -0700 X-Message-Number: 11 This is a test ONLY ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: HAPPY99 From: "Rod Kelso" Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 08:42:34 -0700 X-Message-Number: 12 Netters, HAPPY99 is alive and still going. I recd an e-mail from Jurgen Esser of Germany this AM and it had the little bugger attached. Be on the LOOK OUT Rod Kelso Denver, Colorado. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Hinge covers From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 09:41:50 -0800 X-Message-Number: 13 On Sat, 06 Mar 1999 09:13:01 -0500 Donald Reid writes: >SkyHawk11@aol.com wrote: >> >> BOB SMITH JUST HAD HIS INSPECTED BY FAA AND THEY DO NOT WANT >>HINGES COVERED >> MUST BE WHERE THEY CAN SEE THE PIN OR BOLT THAT IS USED FOR A PIVOT >>HAD TO >> TRIM OUT FIBER GLASS TO EXPOSE >> HINGE PIN > >I have never seen this requirement written in any government >regulation. It is not a part of the certification process of >homebuilts. I suspect that the inspector wanted it done and said that >it was a requirement, when in fact it is not. You as the builder >deceide what is required. Next time, tell him to prove that there is a >requirement. If he can't find it in writing, it does not exist. > >-- >Don Reid As anyone who has had an FAA inspection done on their homebuilt knows, the inspection process is very subjective and up the the descretion of the one doing the inspection. If he insists on seeing the hinges, then you'll make it so they can be seen. All that aside, I would strongly recommend the same. Make them so they can be inspected, then build and install a hinge cover for aerodynamics and better looks. And please congratulate Bob from me. That first flight is one of the most exciting experiences he'll ever have. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213w construction and first flight at http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR2-S wing & cockpit From: WHin77@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 13:53:20 EST X-Message-Number: 14 Who ever knows how to rid one'self of happy99 please send me the answer. (the new guy blew it) Thanks Wendell Hinman WHIN77@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: KR2S or DFly (New KR2S flying) From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 12:27:58 -0800 X-Message-Number: 15 On Sat, 6 Mar 1999 07:51:37 -0500 "Tom Andersen" writes: >Can we hear some KR flying stories from the currently flying KR's? I just >know you guys are zipping all over the countryside in your planes and that >talk is so inspiring, but we rarely hear it on KRNet. Bobby, Jeff, Adrian? >I know we probably have more than 15 KR drivers here, please don't be shy! >-Tom Andersen >Orlando, FL Sorry Tom, but I go get it out when the weather is nice and fly where I want to go. Nothing too exciting about that. Despite me being grounded for 3 months last year, I have put 170 hours on the plane since it's first flight in June of '97. I was supposed to be at a fly-in in the Phoenix area with it this weekend, but didn't go due to the windy spring weather and bad weather predicted for the return trip. Overall, it's been a fun plane with few problems. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213w construction and first flight at http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: HAPPY99 INFO From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 14:40:58 -0500 X-Message-Number: 16 I sent Wendell the info on removing HAPPY99 If anyone else needs it, send me an empty email with the words "request happy99 info" as the subject and I'll send it to you. WD At 01:53 PM 3/6/99 EST, you wrote: >Who ever knows how to rid one'self of happy99 please send me the answer. >(the new guy blew it) >Thanks >Wendell Hinman >WHIN77@aol.com > -------------------------------------------- Wayne DeLisle Sr. Charlotte, NC mailto:dodger@coincidental.net http://angst.webserve.net/~dodger -------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: PROPS/TORQUE & HP From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 14:45:19 -0500 X-Message-Number: 17 Here is something you soob and or turbo guys might be interested in. WD >Mailing-List: contact AIRSOOB-help@lists.kz; run by ezmlm >Reply-To: airsoob@lists.kz >Delivered-To: mailing list AIRSOOB@lists.kz >Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 10:06:34 -0800 >From: Paul Messinger >Organization: MTF Industries >To: airsoob@lists.kz >Subject: Re: PROPS/TORQUE & HP >References: <002801be678f$2e6f8f80$369ec8cd@default> > >Doug Render wrote: >> >> Paul >> Totally agree. This is why gearboxes in cars are different. Two vehichles >> may pump out the same HP but where they do this may be at very diverse >> points on the curve. This is why the manufacturers may have different ratios >> in their gearboxes even though their HP is the same. The same goes for >> props. > >My point is that and more. The torque curve shape can determine the prop >that is best for a given application. Going for the max HP may not be >the best approach depending on your own planned use. This assumes the >use of a fixed pitch in flight. > >The props that are semi constant speed (real not just advertised) change >shape with rpm and flatten at higher rpm. This results in a wider range >of good thrust conversion. > >Even the constant speed props are best at only one pitch setting for a >specific airspeed. Thus, different blades for different airspeed range >acft with the same engine. > >The basic problem with warp blades is they are shaped for lower >airspeeds and flatter pitches. High pitch and high airspeed/rpm lowers >the thrust conversion efficiencys. The Aplast (sp) props are different >as are the IVO mag blades. Aplast is designed for lower prop rpms as >noise in europe is restricted. > >If you take the warp blade and plot blade angle from hub to tip it is >possible to determine the design pitch and resulting rpm range where the >conversion efficency is best (remember to allow for slip and angle of >attack of the blade airfoil). I plan on doing this in the near future. >At only one pitch will all parts of the blade have the same angle of >attack. This is the best pitch point. Conversion efficency falls off >above and below at a rate mostly dependent on the blade airfoil curves. > >> Thanks for the hospitality you showed me on my trip out your way. You >> have a great project and I was much impressed with your workmanship. > >Thanks I have been impressed with your work also. Sorry the visit was >not longer. Lots of progress since your visit also. > >> P.S. I'm not sure that I'll agree with you on our discussion of the turbo'd >> E81 and its output as far as longevity goes, but that is what makes this fun >> and enlighting and it is always nice to be proved wrong, because thats how I >> learn. > >I play devils advocate too much at times. Not sure I agree you were/are >wrong given the limited discussion. > >For the rest of the readers, I am starting a turbo project. Besides >finding out there are at least two versions of EA81T heads, something I >have not seen reported before, there are many widely different concepts >of how to do the turbo and what size to use. These concepts conflict in >approach. My plan is carb draw thru turbo with dizzy ign system. simple >no fancy electronics/sensors. Possible if you are going for simple and >not max HP/fuel economy. Flat rating allows for a simple ign timing >setup. > >Getting 170hp out of the EA81 is easy but carrying the fuel is another >issue. Then is 170hp necessary????? Flat rating the EA81 at 130hp is my >current approach (50" at 4300rpm produces 130HP for example). From real >dyno data I ran yesterday at NSI on their production engine (NSI visit >another subject). 4300 with a 2.2PSRU gives 1950 prop rpm. HP was 170+ >at and above 5300 rpm, this with the late model EA82 turbo. Basically no >turbo lag as the engine is very responsive to sudden throttle input. > >For the DD folks 40" at 3200rpm produces 60+HP, and 45" at 3500rpm >produces 80HP. All data is at the prop flange and includes NSI gear box >losses. > >An interestig fact is the data shows HP to be nearly flat (+/- 3hp) >between 5300rpm and 6100rpm. This is a result of many factors (too much >to cover here) but shows how falling torque can keep the HP down even >with much higher rpm's. The torque peak in this case is around 5400rpm. > >Paul > > -------------------------------------------- Wayne DeLisle Sr. Charlotte, NC mailto:dodger@coincidental.net http://angst.webserve.net/~dodger -------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR2-S wing & cockpit From: Mike Mims Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 11:46:33 -0800 X-Message-Number: 18 Juergen Esser wrote: > > > Also I want to expand the cockpit-wide a little bit but still want to use the RR-canopy. How fare can I go? >>> The RR KR2S canopy is not very flexible. If you want to go wider I would recommend the Dragonfly canopy which is designed for 42 inch wide fuselages and works great on wide KRs. If you plan to hot wire your wing cores I would pick up the book from Burt Rutan on moldless composite construction. You can also take a look at my "wings" page and see how I used hot wired cores. Good luck. Wing pages start at: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/wing.html -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Still Building the Cowling... mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: HAPPY99 INFO From: Mike Mims Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 11:50:28 -0800 X-Message-Number: 19 One quick search on any search engine will provide you with literally thousands of web sites that tell how to remove the happy99 virus. We don't really need to keep posting it here on KRnet (the information or the virus). -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Still Building the Cowling... mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Contains Happy99.Exe From: Michael Taglieri Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 15:15:37 EST X-Message-Number: 20 Yes the website works, but I only went to the website once (on my work computer, which can get on the web), to download the Juno softward. On my home computer I have the basic Juno, which gives you nothing but e-mail, but is free. Mike Taglieri ------------------------------------------------------- "May your life be full of lawyers" -- Mexican curse ------------------------------------------------------- >The web site for Juno dosent work? Is this the correct address?? > >Thanks, > >Rod Kelso >Denver > >---------- >> From: Michael Taglieri >> To: KR-net users group >> Cc: kr-net@telelists.com >> Subject: [kr-net] Re: Contains Happy99.Exe >> Date: Friday, March 05, 1999 10:15 PM >> >> I saw that in the message. Juno is an e-mail system that will >transmit >> only ASCII files and strips off all attachments, so I hope I'm >correct >> that that makes me safe too. >> >> Mike Taglieri >> >> >> >Sports fans, Paul Eberhardt's last mail contained the Happy99.exe >> >virus. >> >> ___________________________________________________________________ >> You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >> Get completely free e-mail from Juno at >http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >> or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] >> >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rbk@orci.com >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com >> > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: miket_nyc@juno.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: side mounted control stick From: SkyHawk11@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 22:55:28 EST X-Message-Number: 21 KR2S 808BS BOBBY SMITH AT BROWNWOOD TEXAS COMPLETED AND FLOWN WED 3 MAR 99 TIME 19 M0 1 WEEK FLEW WITH OUT ANY TRIM CHANGES 160MPH INDICATED TO cruzJ12 THE PICTURE I PROMISED SKYHAWK11 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: KR2S or DFly From: SkyHawk11@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 23:26:44 EST X-Message-Number: 22 started during a divorce kept father and son together ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: KR2S or DFly (New KR2S flying) From: SkyHawk11@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 23:33:04 EST X-Message-Number: 23 FAA approval wed 3 mar 99 1st flight 3pm same day. Flight was perfect Today 6 mar 99 at 5:30 pm cpmpleted 4th flight and now has 4.4 hours on it. YEA ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: A little help From: Bobby Muse Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 23:33:37 -0600 X-Message-Number: 24 At 11:29 PM 03/04/1999 -0800, you wrote: >Could some of you out there who are building or are in the process of >reading your plans for the first, second and third time and are still >scratching your heads do me a favor? Could you send me an email (off >line) on sections of the manual that have stumped you and or you feel >could be explaining better? I am not talking about the blue prints >(drawings) just the manual. And remember PLEASE send your >problems/ideas directly to me at: > >mikemims@home.com > > Mike What are you doing? Are you an expert? What are you trying to do? Bobby Muse mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: A little help From: Mike Mims Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 21:53:08 -0800 X-Message-Number: 25 Bobby Muse wrote: > Mike What are you doing? Are you an expert? What are you trying to do? > > Bobby Muse Well actually I was planning to type up a list of things that people have problems with when they first read the plans and give them to Janette in case she may someday want to revise them. That's all, why? What do you think I am trying to do? -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims KR290S (Sky Pig) ,..Putting engine back together now... mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Hinge covers From: Bobby Muse Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 23:52:02 -0600 X-Message-Number: 26 At 09:13 AM 03/06/1999 -0500, you wrote: >SkyHawk11@aol.com wrote: >> >> BOB SMITH JUST HAD HIS INSPECTED BY FAA AND THEY DO NOT WANT HINGES COVERED >> MUST BE WHERE THEY CAN SEE THE PIN OR BOLT THAT IS USED FOR A PIVOT HAD TO >> TRIM OUT FIBER GLASS TO EXPOSE >> HINGE PIN > >I have never seen this requirement written in any government >regulation. It is not a part of the certification process of >homebuilts. I suspect that the inspector wanted it done and said that >it was a requirement, when in fact it is not. You as the builder >deceide what is required. Next time, tell him to prove that there is a >requirement. If he can't find it in writing, it does not exist. > >-- >Don Reid > Don is correct!!! There is no requirement. Be aware, the inspector has good intentions but they are not GOD. Do like Davy Crockett said 'Make sure that you are right and go ahead'. Bobby Muse mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Hinge covers From: "DAVID STUART" Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 19:49:09 +1300 X-Message-Number: 27 Don and Bobby are both right. The designated inspector is not God. However it's our SAFETY he has in mind when he wants to sight the hinge bolt and make sure it is pinned correctly. A lot of these inspectors have seen some terrible things put in front of them and most have been there and done that. I for one have exposed hinges on the rudder and elevators so I can see what is happening. You don't get a second chance if one of those hinges comes adrift at 130mph. Cheers.......Dave david.stuart@xtra.co.nz................THERE ARE NO ATTATCHMENTS WITH THIS POST. ---------- > From: Bobby Muse > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Re: Hinge covers > Date: Sunday, 7 March 1999 18:52 > > At 09:13 AM 03/06/1999 -0500, you wrote: > >SkyHawk11@aol.com wrote: > >> > >> BOB SMITH JUST HAD HIS INSPECTED BY FAA AND THEY DO NOT WANT HINGES COVERED > >> MUST BE WHERE THEY CAN SEE THE PIN OR BOLT THAT IS USED FOR A PIVOT HAD TO > >> TRIM OUT FIBER GLASS TO EXPOSE > >> HINGE PIN > > > >I have never seen this requirement written in any government > >regulation. It is not a part of the certification process of > >homebuilts. I suspect that the inspector wanted it done and said that > >it was a requirement, when in fact it is not. You as the builder > >deceide what is required. Next time, tell him to prove that there is a > >requirement. If he can't find it in writing, it does not exist. > > > >-- > >Don Reid > > > > Don is correct!!! There is no requirement. Be aware, the inspector has good > intentions but they are not GOD. Do like Davy Crockett said 'Make sure that > you are right and go ahead'. > > Bobby Muse > mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com > Wimberly, TX > > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: DAVID.STUART@xtra.co.nz > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com