From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Saturday, March 13, 1999 12:23 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: March 12, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Friday, March 12, 1999. 1. 1999 KR Gathering ideas 2. Altimeter Formulae - Be Careful! 3. KR for sale? 4. Trailing Edge Technologies, LLC... 5. Still waffling about what to build? 6. Re: Trailing Edge Technologies, LLC... 7. Re: Trailing Edge Technologies, LLC... 8. Appologies 9. Hinge Pin access 10. Wanted: new business partner... 11. Re: Trailing Edge Technologies, LLC... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 1999 KR Gathering ideas From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:11:04 EST X-Message-Number: 1 In a message dated 3/11/99 9:37:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, jscott.pilot@juno.com writes: << Only Les gets to win with static displays. :o) >> I don't believe static will count this year unless you bring something still "under construction" for all of us to see:-). Seriously, I would love to see as many people as possible to haul their projects to the gathering. You would do a great service to the wanttabee builders and new builders to see a project even in the boat stage or to see what a wing spar looks like prior to covering. I'm sure most of the builders off the KRnet would be fascinated in the alternate building techniques and ideas this net has generated. Time to get it rolling, if you have any ideas of what you want to see in forums let me know now. It may even be approriate to discuss it on the KRnet so that I can get a feel for what the majority would like to see. Either way, start letting me know and also if you would be interesting in lending a helping hand in the sale of tickets, Friday night cookout, Saturday lunch, forums.................whatever, any help is appreciated. Dana Overall 1999 KR Gathering Host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Altimeter Formulae - Be Careful! From: EagleGator@aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:39:18 EST X-Message-Number: 2 The discussion so far: >Hi! > >I am designing sport altimetrer with barometric pressure measurement. Is >enough if I measure only pressure? Does anyone have formulas for calculating >altitude from pressure and temperature? Meteorologists calculate (normalize) >barometric pressure from actual pressure, temperture and moisture, but I >think for sport applications only pressure should be enough. Am I right? > >Bye. >Marko > >Altimeter Codes are found at RST-ENGR.com/encodeweb.html, and a supporting >article in KitPlanes April 98. Note that thepressure vs altitude is not >linear, but correctable. > >Per request of >Marko Pavlin >Jurciceva 5 >SI-8000 Novo mesto, Slovenia >tel: ++386 68 341470 >e-mail: marko.pavlin@guest.arnes.si > >Regards, Ron Freiberger @ Ft Myers (no snow) Aircraft altimeters are NOT corrected for temperature and humidity, they read an altitude based soley on the pressure value set in the Kolsman window (the altimeter setting). If you design an altimeter that reads a corrected, or true altitude, you will be flying at a different altitude than the other aircraft in the sky. That's a bad thing. Where true altitude is useful, however, is in high terrain where the temperatures vary greatly or are on the extremely low end (like in Alaska). Because of the non-linear nature of the pressure vs. temperature relationship (PV=nRT, P is pressure, V is volume, n and R are constants, T is temperature) it is (remotely) possible to have the correct altimeter setting for the field you took off from in your altimeter, climb to an indicated altitude that is above the highest terrain, and still fly into the side of a mountain. That's one of the reasons why there is clearance between the IFR MEAs and the highest terrain altitude on the route. True altitude, corrected for temperature, would show you where you REALLY are in relation to the surrounding terrain. The RMI microEncoder I built has an air data computer that has a true altitude function, but this is NOT the altitude display to use when holding an ATC assigned altitude. Always use pressure altitude. Cheers, Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles MO KR-2S N415RJ still only 35% complete ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KR for sale? From: "Mark Langford" Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:55:07 -0600 X-Message-Number: 3 Anybody have a KR for sale? If so, please respond to the guy below... -----Original Message----- From: KIKE To: langford@hiwaay.net Date: Friday, March 12, 1999 9:37 AM Dear friend. I am a pilot from Spain. I want to buy a kr2 with a engine an flying. Do you know any pilot who want to sell any kr2?. I thank any information you can give me. Enrique Alvarez kike@breogan.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Trailing Edge Technologies, LLC... From: "Mark Langford" Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:13:30 -0600 X-Message-Number: 4 KRNetHeads, Contrary to my earlier sermons, I'd like to advertise a little. Hey, nobody else follows the rules! Dr. Dean and I have formed a new company named Trailing Edge Technologies LLC, whose main purpose is to produce high quality, low cost parts for KRNetHeads. If you're in the market for wing attach fittings, we'll make up a set for you. Check out our web page at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/tet for more information on the WAFs, other products, and the new company's goals.. This is not an attempt to start a company and get rich, but an effort to provide support where it is needed. There are those who feel that it is pure sacrilege to infringe upon RR's market in any way. And I cetainly concur that we are all indebted to them for keeping the KR alive for all these years. I can only say that it is doubtful that you'll ever find templates for anything other than the RAF48 at RR, so we don't feel too bad there. As for WAFs, we feel the prices are just way out of line with reality. Maybe this will spur RR to find a more reasonable supplier. I have volunteered several times to improve the KR plans, and I feel qualified to do it. But my efforts were met with very little interest, despite that I was willing to do it for nothing in the interest of improving the genre. I've been urged to enhance and print out my web page as an additional construction aid for those not on the net, and we may do that too. It's been said too many times that KR builders need more support than they're getting, so we're going to try to work on that.... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Still waffling about what to build? From: "Richard Parker" Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:09:55 PST X-Message-Number: 5 Still waffling about what to build? For you lurkers who havent started building anything yet, i'm selling my VP-1 Volksplane plans and pilots handbook, and G1-ultralight helicopter (gyro) plans and accompanying documentation The VP-1 is very similar in constuction as the KR-2 except no fiber glassing, and is about the cheapest way to get into the air. The plans are fun to read and suprisingly packed with lots of information and even has conversion info for a VW engine. The G1 is an inexpensive gyro and if you have access to some machine tools could be a lot of fun also. I already have a plane that is big and slow and wanted a hot rod so I chose the KR-2 But if you want to get into the air for cheap money this is the way to go. I'll part with the pair for $50. (or trade for something interesting) I'll pay the shipping. Its guaranteed to get your juices flowing. Rich Parker richontheroad@hotmail.com http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm Jaffrey, NH Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Trailing Edge Technologies, LLC... From: "Richard Parker" Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:15:25 PST X-Message-Number: 6 Good idea, I'll buy stuff You are never going to get that KR finished now ;-) Rich Parker >From: "Mark Langford" >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" >To: "KR-net users group" >Subject: [kr-net] Trailing Edge Technologies, LLC... >Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:13:30 -0600 > >KRNetHeads, > >Contrary to my earlier sermons, I'd like to advertise a little. Hey, nobody >else follows the rules! Dr. Dean and I have formed a new company named >Trailing Edge Technologies LLC, whose main purpose is to produce high >quality, low cost parts for KRNetHeads. If you're in the market for wing >attach fittings, we'll make up a set for you. Check out our web page at >http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/tet for more information on the WAFs, other >products, and the new company's goals.. This is not an attempt to start a >company and get rich, but an effort to provide support where it is needed. > >There are those who feel that it is pure sacrilege to infringe upon RR's >market in any way. And I cetainly concur that we are all indebted to them >for keeping the KR alive for all these years. I can only say that it is >doubtful that you'll ever find templates for anything other than the RAF48 >at RR, so we don't feel too bad there. As for WAFs, we feel the prices are >just way out of line with reality. Maybe this will spur RR to find a more >reasonable supplier. > >I have volunteered several times to improve the KR plans, and I feel >qualified to do it. But my efforts were met with very little interest, >despite that I was willing to do it for nothing in the interest of improving >the genre. I've been urged to enhance and print out my web page as an >additional construction aid for those not on the net, and we may do that >too. > >It's been said too many times that KR builders need more support than >they're getting, so we're going to try to work on that.... > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama >mailto:langford@hiwaay.net >see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: richontheroad@hotmail.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Trailing Edge Technologies, LLC... From: "Dean Collette" Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:08:25 -0600 X-Message-Number: 7 Mark, Sorry about the delay - work. Thanks. I'm glad to see we are off the ground. You might want to add something to the page that says something to the effect that we will be updating the the page often as we introduce new products. Maybe the easier way to do it would be to have an introductory page (which you pretty much already have) and then point to different product pages. That way you can add more info as needed. For example, if you start getting the same question over and over about the templates - you just add the info and cut down on the email. Also makes it easier to add new products. Have you heard anything back from the waterjet people yet? They don't seem real interested in quoting these things, do they? What are your thoughts on marketing products for other people? Say, for example, Mims puts together a list of fixes for the KR and wants to sell them - we could ask for a bit of the take for the hassle of sending this stuff out. I'm on the fence on this issue and could go either way. The message from Steve was nice - very gentleman-like. I think it's the first email I have ever seen from him that doesn't contain the word "Europa." Dean -----Original Message----- From: Mark Langford To: KR-net users group Date: Friday, March 12, 1999 12:58 PM Subject: [kr-net] Trailing Edge Technologies, LLC... >KRNetHeads, > >Contrary to my earlier sermons, I'd like to advertise a little. Hey, nobody >else follows the rules! Dr. Dean and I have formed a new company named >Trailing Edge Technologies LLC, whose main purpose is to produce high >quality, low cost parts for KRNetHeads. If you're in the market for wing >attach fittings, we'll make up a set for you. Check out our web page at >http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/tet for more information on the WAFs, other >products, and the new company's goals.. This is not an attempt to start a >company and get rich, but an effort to provide support where it is needed. > >There are those who feel that it is pure sacrilege to infringe upon RR's >market in any way. And I cetainly concur that we are all indebted to them >for keeping the KR alive for all these years. I can only say that it is >doubtful that you'll ever find templates for anything other than the RAF48 >at RR, so we don't feel too bad there. As for WAFs, we feel the prices are >just way out of line with reality. Maybe this will spur RR to find a more >reasonable supplier. > >I have volunteered several times to improve the KR plans, and I feel >qualified to do it. But my efforts were met with very little interest, >despite that I was willing to do it for nothing in the interest of improving >the genre. I've been urged to enhance and print out my web page as an >additional construction aid for those not on the net, and we may do that >too. > >It's been said too many times that KR builders need more support than >they're getting, so we're going to try to work on that.... > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama >mailto:langford@hiwaay.net >see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: drdean@execpc.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Appologies From: "Dean Collette" Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:24:48 -0600 X-Message-Number: 8 Netters, Many apologies for the last email. It was obviously intended as a personal email and not for KRNet publication. But, once that thing goes out - you can't suck it back in as much as you would like to. Again, I apologize. Dean mailto:drdean@execpc.com Web Site at http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/home.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Hinge Pin access From: Ron Freiberger Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:36:22 -0500 X-Message-Number: 9 Recent comment; *Per recent FAA inspection report** Needed to cut away glass to show inspector hinge bolts in tail section---- How about photos prior to covering as proof? Most pilots would look at hinge pins and wear as part of a Pre-flight inspection. Experimental is a classifcation that allows we rank amateurs to build and fly a real airplane. There is a class for people who want to "experiment", and the limitations are usually severe. Where applicable, adhere to established good practice. Ron Freiberger KR2S I guess, on the gear. My project is built from marked up KR2 plans, is 14 inches longer aft, and 5 inches forward. Aluminum fuel tanks, 1834 VW by GPAC Canopy by the Airplane Factory in Dayton OH-HO. Side opening. Since it's the wrong size, and I keep straying away on design details, what should it be called? KR+\- ??? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Wanted: new business partner... From: "Mark Langford" Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:10:40 -0600 X-Message-Number: 10 Must NOT have email Fondness for Europas OK Bulletproof shoes a must... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Trailing Edge Technologies, LLC... From: EveninBrz@aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:07:10 EST X-Message-Number: 11 Very GOOD Idea. I believe it is called filling a vacuume, there certainly exists a certain amount of just plain don't care at Rand Robinson these days. I can see a very big diffrence between now and 12 years ago. Larry --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com