From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Friday, March 19, 1999 12:20 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: March 18, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Thursday, March 18, 1999. 1. Re: my garbage 2. Re: Gathering ideas. 3. corvair engines 4. test (do not read) 5. ChinoKosh 99 6. Re: corvair engines 7. Re: corvair engines 8. Re: corvair engines 9. Re: corvair engines 10. Re: corvair engines 11. Once again into the fray..... 12. Re: new CAD KR-2S plans and manual at Sun-N-Fun 13. Re: corvair engines 14. Re: Methylene Chloride (fwd) 15. Re: [kr-net]Methylene Chloride 16. Re: corvair engines 17. Methylene Chloride in coffee 18. Re: KR Newsletter 19. Re: corvair engines 20. Re: KR Newsletter 21. Re: corvair engines 22. Corvair sites 23. Re: Corvair sites 24. Re: Corvair sites 25. Re: Methylene Chloride in coffee ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: my garbage From: Bobby Muse Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:07:36 -0600 X-Message-Number: 1 At 12:06 AM 03/16/1999 -0600, you wrote: > I should >probably do the MIms thing and take off for a couple of weeks in the >Bahamas. > > > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > Mark, I don't know if that's such a great plan... look how Mike's family grew after coming back from the Bahammas.. On second thought, That would be a blessing from above! Bobby Muse mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Gathering ideas. From: Bobby Muse Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:33:47 -0600 X-Message-Number: 2 At 04:27 PM 03/16/1999 -0800, you wrote: >KR2616TJ@aol.com wrote: >> >> Let me know what everyone wants as far as forums or events. >>> > >Have an event where guys fly their KRs from California to the >gathering. :o) > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims > That would be great! Maybe Don, Jeff and I could fly to Phoenix tp show you the way. :o) Bobby Muse mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: corvair engines From: thomas_marcella@uml.edu Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:51:0 X-Message-Number: 3 I have been reading William Wynne's web page about using the corvair engine for aircraft. It sounds like a good match for the kr-2. Does anyone have any comments on this? Are there any kr's flying with a corvair engine? What do you engine guys think of this engine? I do know a kr builder in Salem, Mass who intends to use the corvair engine in his kr-2s, but, generally, there doesnt seem to be any interest in it. Tom ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: test (do not read) From: Mike Mims Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 18:35:53 -0800 X-Message-Number: 4 Only a test -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims KR290S (Sky Pig) ,..Building ailerons and sanding the wings... mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: ChinoKosh 99 From: HAshraf@aol.com Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:21:25 EST X-Message-Number: 5 Folks, If it is OK with everyone here in So. Cal. lets have the ChinoKosh 99 on the 17th of April, which is a Saturday. The alternate date could be 24th April if some people will be at Sun 'n' Fun etc. Please let me mail privately if and you would be able to attend on that date. Thanks Haris Ashraf ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: corvair engines From: "Jim Whiteshield" Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:13:08 -0000 X-Message-Number: 6 My most persistant memory of Corvair engines is that they were known for vibrating themselves right off of their engine mounts. Now, if they would do that in a car, what will they do in a KR??? -- On Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:51:0 thomas_marcella wrote: >I have been reading William Wynne's web page about using the corvair engine >for aircraft. It sounds like a good match for the kr-2. Does anyone have >any comments on this? Are there any kr's flying with a corvair engine? >What do you engine guys think of this engine? I do know a kr builder in >Salem, Mass who intends to use the corvair engine in his kr-2s, but, >generally, there doesnt seem to be any interest in it. >Tom > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: JIM7@hotbot.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: corvair engines From: "Jim Whiteshield" Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:11:56 -0000 X-Message-Number: 7 My most persistant memory of Corvair engines is that they were known for vibrating themselves right off of their engine mounts. Now, if they would do that in a car, what will it do in a KR??? -- On Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:51:0 thomas_marcella wrote: >I have been reading William Wynne's web page about using the corvair engine >for aircraft. It sounds like a good match for the kr-2. Does anyone have >any comments on this? Are there any kr's flying with a corvair engine? >What do you engine guys think of this engine? I do know a kr builder in >Salem, Mass who intends to use the corvair engine in his kr-2s, but, >generally, there doesnt seem to be any interest in it. >Tom > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: JIM7@hotbot.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: corvair engines From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:27:27 -0500 X-Message-Number: 8 At 05:51 PM 3/17/99, you wrote: >I have been reading William Wynne's web page about using the corvair engine >for aircraft. It sounds like a good match for the kr-2. Does anyone have >any comments on this? Are there any kr's flying with a corvair engine? >What do you engine guys think of this engine? I do know a kr builder in >Salem, Mass who intends to use the corvair engine in his kr-2s, but, >generally, there doesnt seem to be any interest in it. >Tom Hi Tom, Here is a copy of my latest post to the VW list. I have others as well, if you would like, I'll forward them to you. Take care, WD >Mailing-List: contact VW-help@lists.kz; run by ezmlm From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." >Subject: Re: Corvair > >At 08:22 PM 3/17/99 EST, you wrote: >> I like the corvair because it is a much better engine than the VW and makes >>more HP with out all of the Hot Rodding that the VW requires. Years ago >>there was one at Chino in a KR2 and it was a real rocket with a stock corvair >>engine in it. >> Thanks for the In fo on the guy in Utah, when I'm ready for an engine I'll >>probably contact him. >> LARRY > >Hello Larry, > >I did some hotrodding of Corvairs back in the 60's. I think you will find >that Corvair cylinder heads can be a problem. Dropped valves was not >uncommon, and a lot of head work was required to make them reliable. > >Early vairs also had problems with blown head gaskets, but the later ones >seemed better in that respect. High rpms caused the rocker studs to pull >out, a common cure was to use after market screw in studs. > >Back in the early 70's I had planned to use a Corvair in my KR2. Never >got to build the KR, so dropped the idea. > >I'm finally back to the point of starting my KR2, soon I hope, and will >be using a VW type-4 2.0L engine with fuel injection and a turbocharger. > >I don't have any idea if any Corvair parts can be found in this part of the >country, (Charlotte, NC). > >WD > > -------------------------------------------- Wayne DeLisle Sr. Charlotte, NC mailto:dodger@coincidental.net http://angst.webserve.net/~dodger -------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: corvair engines From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:32:23 -0500 X-Message-Number: 9 At 11:13 AM 3/18/99 -0000, you wrote: > My most persistant memory of Corvair engines is that they were known for vibrating themselves right off of their engine mounts. Now, if they would do that in a car, what will they do in a KR??? Not if they are running right. The corvair was very smooth. Many people didn't know how to adjust the dual carbs, later models with 4 carbs were even worse to tune. Also, a lot of vairs were running around with blown head gaskets on one or 2 cylinders, made them run ratty as heck. WD -------------------------------------------- Wayne DeLisle Sr. Charlotte, NC mailto:dodger@coincidental.net http://angst.webserve.net/~dodger -------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: corvair engines From: EveninBrz@aol.com Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:42:24 EST X-Message-Number: 10 The valve seats were no more of a problem than they are in a VW. The problem came from being improperly installed by after market shops that didn't understand hoiw much an aluminum head expands. Back then aluminum heada were very unusual now they are very common, and valve seat installation is well understood by almost any shop. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Once again into the fray..... From: "caryh" Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:46:40 -0500 X-Message-Number: 11 Email (reply) to caryh@home.com or ve3ev@rac.ca Web page http://members.home.net/caryh KR2 area http://members.home.net/caryh/kr-2.htm (Both of the above have not been updated or debugged lately.) FTP 24.112.208.98 For those of you who have patiently waited for me to produce the Posa carb manual, here it is, for what it is worth. ftp to the above tcp/ip site and go to the pub directory. Download the posa1 to posa5 jpg files. They are what I could scan in. I hope it is usefull to you. Please log in as anonymous and use your email address as password. BTW, the Adobe "psd" uncompressed files are also there but they are quite large (13 megs) and if downloaded might cause my wife to re-boot her system due to slow response. (The ftp site is on her computer and she isn't aware of it.) Take the jpg files. Less trouble for me. - Cary - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: new CAD KR-2S plans and manual at Sun-N-Fun From: "Dean Collette" Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:02:37 -0600 X-Message-Number: 12 I spoke with Jeanette just a week or so ago. I know the she has rented space for Sun & Fun, but at this point she is unsure if she will be able to attend (family member is ill.) If you are getting the answering machine more then usual lately - this is probably the reason. I also wanted to point out (for the record) that I don't think RR is a "bad company," nor do I harbor any ill-will toward Jeanette. Actually, it's quite the contrary - I have a great deal of respect for Jeanette. After loosing her husband in a KR, she managed to raise a family single handedly, by keeping the company and the airplane alive - no small task. As of now, RR has no CAD drawings of the KR. I believe she owns a set of Mark Lougheed's lofted drawings (but I could be mistaken) and those are plotted CAD files. Could this be what was seen at Sun & Fun? Jeanette has looked into having CAD files done several times, even gave a set of plans to someone in exchange for CAD conversion a couple of years ago, but that is as far as it has gotten. Dean mailto:drdean@execpc.com Web Site at http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/home.htm -----Original Message----- From: Steven Eberhart To: KR-net users group Date: Thursday, March 18, 1999 12:53 AM Subject: [kr-net] new CAD KR-2S plans and manual at Sun-N-Fun >On Tue, 16 Mar 1999 Kr2dream@aol.com wrote: > >[snip] > >> I met with Jeanette at Sun-N-Fuln last April and she showed me the new KR >> drawings which were done on CADD and incorporated the input of a number of >> people. She also had a draft outline of the new manual. > >[snip] > >I sure hope you are right. I will be the first to thank Jeanette when >they are available. There has been talk of a set of CAD generated plans >for a couple of years now but I have yet to see them. Every time I talk >to Jeanette she says that they are being worked on and she needs to get >them back from the person that is doing the work. Now that Sun-N-Fun is >upon us again, has anyone seen the new plans? I tried to call Jeanette >yesterday and got their answering machine - will try again today. > >Steve Eberhart >-------------------------- >http://www.newtech.com/nlf > >One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are >easier to get. > --plagiarized from an unknown author > >All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly >food for thought and is in no way intended to imply that it is anything >more than ideas requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: drdean@execpc.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: corvair engines From: "Robert Sauer" Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:32:50 -0600 X-Message-Number: 13 No hot roddin' is necessary for the Corvair engine. However, the right engine must be used, that being a 1965-1969 110HP model with harmonic dampener. What is nice about this engine is no PSRU is necessary, air-cooled and all parts are readily available at a reasonable cost. This is a very smooth engine, makes top HP at about 3200 RPM and has good torque. All the supposed problems of the past have been solved with current materials superior to those available when the engine first came out. I am building one up for my KR2S using Wynne's conversion manual, he supplies a prop hub and starter/alternator package at a reasonable price. The motor mount is bed type and drawings are included in the conversion manual. My cost in under $1900. A few months away from flying---let you'all know. > -----Original Message----- > From: bounce-kr-net-49736@telelists.com > [mailto:bounce-kr-net-49736@telelists.com]On Behalf Of Jim Whiteshield > Sent: Thursday, March 18, 1999 5:13 AM > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Re: corvair engines > > > My most persistant memory of Corvair engines is that they were > known for vibrating themselves right off of their engine mounts. > Now, if they would do that in a car, what will they do in a KR??? > -- > > On Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:51:0 thomas_marcella wrote: > >I have been reading William Wynne's web page about using the > corvair engine > >for aircraft. It sounds like a good match for the kr-2. Does > anyone have > >any comments on this? Are there any kr's flying with a corvair engine? > >What do you engine guys think of this engine? I do know a kr builder in > >Salem, Mass who intends to use the corvair engine in his kr-2s, but, > >generally, there doesnt seem to be any interest in it. > >Tom > > > >--- > >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: JIM7@hotbot.com > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > > > > > > HotBot - Search smarter. > http://www.hotbot.com > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: resauer@totalaccess.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Methylene Chloride (fwd) From: boggyd@webtv.net (D Bogdan) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:00:25 -0600 (CST) X-Message-Number: 14 --WebTV-Mail-1121721483-381 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit If methelene chloride is the stuff they use in paint strippers, I've read that it is harmful. Didn't the EPA come out with new low level guilines for workers? I read about this in "Aviation Maintenance" regards, DJ Milwaukee Success comes in cans.... not in can'ts, --WebTV-Mail-1121721483-381 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.92) by postoffice-172.iap.bryant.webtv.net; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:02:31 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from lyris.teleport.com (lyris.teleport.com [192.108.254.49]) by mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with SMTP id IAA06107; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:02:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:00:20 -0600 (CST) From: Steven Eberhart X-Sender: newtech@world.evansville.net To: "KR-net users group" Subject: [kr-net] Re: Methylene Chloride (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-URL: X-List-Host: Telelists List Hosting Services Reply-To: "KR-net users group" X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-kr-net-39469@telelists.com Precedence: bulk X-disclaimer: KR-net assumes no responsibility for the information posted on this list There has been an ongoing discussion about how to clean fiberglass surfaces that are going to have structural bonds or additional layers of glass laid up on them. THe following post sums up how the discussions have been going. THought this might be of interrest to KR builders. Steve Eberhart ------------------------------------- http://www.newtech.com/nlf One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly food for thought and is in no way intended to imply that it is anything more than ideas requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 06:24:58 EST From: N295VV@aol.com To: lancair.list@olsusa.com Subject: Re: Methylene Chloride <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> From: n295vvv I am a chemist. I have the following pearls of wisdom: Dont use petroleum distillates to clean your surfaces! Petroleum is oil, isnt it? Dont use acetone if methylene chloride is available to you. If you do use it, dry it off well with a heat gun afterwards. Careful! I once burned down a building with a pint of acetone. I am not a fan of acetone for this application. Dont use any of the mixtures that are available as strippers. Some of these companies buy recyled solvents that probably have oils in them in small amounts. The advantage of MeCl2 is that it cuts the oils, flows off nicely, and evaporates completely in a few minutes. It really is not very toxic, but ventilate and wear gloves. All of the other junk you guys are using can come back and bite you! I liked the glass test mentioned. Smear some grease on a glass plate and clean it with your substitute. It must clean off completely, down to the part per million level. Methylene chloride is the only solvent which reliably does that. Dont mess with this critical use. Having your skin come unbonded at 300 kts will make for a bad day. It has already happened by the way.' David Jones, Pecatonica Illinois --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: boggyd@webtv.net To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com --WebTV-Mail-1121721483-381-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [kr-net]Methylene Chloride From: "Richard Parker" Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:57:25 PST X-Message-Number: 15 Its also used to decafinate coffee. (Really I'm not kidding) I stripped and refinished antiques furniture with it for a couple of years. I've probably got a little stored up in my organs. Proper ventilation and protective equipment is suggested. it is available in gel or liquid. the liquid evaporates quicker however both can be covered with newspaper to minimize evaporation while you are waiting for it to work. it burns on your hands at first but after a while you dont even feel it. Does a hell of a job on contact lenses though! Rich Parker >From: boggyd@webtv.net (D Bogdan) >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" >To: "KR-net users group" >Subject: [kr-net] Re: Methylene Chloride (fwd) >Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:00:25 -0600 (CST) > >If methelene chloride is the stuff they use in paint strippers, I've >read that it is harmful. Didn't the EPA come out with new low level >guilines for workers? I read about this in "Aviation Maintenance" > >regards, > >DJ >Milwaukee > >Success comes in cans.... > > > not in can'ts, > > ><< attach3 >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: corvair engines From: "JEAN" Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:43:58 -0600 X-Message-Number: 16 Had a friend put one in a Davis DA-2. Enginne ran fine but had problems finding the right prop. Seems that not many places support that engine. Jean N4DD -----Original Message----- From: thomas_marcella@uml.edu To: KR-net users group Date: Thursday, March 18, 1999 4:05 AM Subject: [kr-net] corvair engines >I have been reading William Wynne's web page about using the corvair engine >for aircraft. It sounds like a good match for the kr-2. Does anyone have >any comments on this? Are there any kr's flying with a corvair engine? >What do you engine guys think of this engine? I do know a kr builder in >Salem, Mass who intends to use the corvair engine in his kr-2s, but, >generally, there doesnt seem to be any interest in it. >Tom > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: N4DD@prodigy.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Methylene Chloride in coffee From: Michael Taglieri Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:51:58 EST X-Message-Number: 17 >Its also used to decafinate coffee. (Really I'm not kidding) Just for the record, it is used to wash the coffee, dissolving the caffeine and washing it away, but then it evaporates, the same as it does when you're stripping paint. Supposedly, the amount left is exceedingly small and is not a health risk. Mike Taglieri _____________________________________________ "Fundamentally the marksman aims at himself." - from Zen And the Art of Archery >>If methelene chloride is the stuff they use in paint strippers, I've >>read that it is harmful. Didn't the EPA come out with new low level >>guilines for workers? I read about this in "Aviation Maintenance" ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR Newsletter From: Michael Taglieri Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:51:58 EST X-Message-Number: 18 Sorry about posting this private e-mail to the list, but I tried to respond privately and it bounced with "permanent fatal errors." Mike Taglieri I think 1 to 100 are now available on a CD-ROM from several people on this list. I don't know about the others. > > Do you know if the back issues are obtainable? I had them from issue #1 >untill my wife and I got divorced. Was one of the things she decided that I no >longer needed and she got rid of them. You are right they were a real >gold mine of info. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: corvair engines From: JamesMcG@aol.com Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:53:48 EST X-Message-Number: 19 what is the web address for the corvair engine site? jim ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR Newsletter From: EveninBrz@aol.com Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:04:05 EST X-Message-Number: 20 I would be intrested in knowing who has them on CD'S as I would like to get them if possable. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: corvair engines From: "Tom Cummings" Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:56:46 -0600 X-Message-Number: 21 The web address is Tom C. ---------- > From: JamesMcG@aol.com > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Re: corvair engines > Date: Thursday, March 18, 1999 9:53 PM > > what is the web address for the corvair engine site? > > jim > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: tomlc@communique.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Corvair sites From: BSHADR@aol.com Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 01:31:15 EST X-Message-Number: 22 KRNetheads: For Corvair sites to visit, try: http://www.omnispace.com/Corvair/ http://www.beaniebuyers.com/w3builder/piet/Corvair.shtml http://www.davemorris.com/dave/dfly-corvair.html Randy Stein Soviet Monica, CA ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Corvair sites From: Mike Mims Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:25:38 -0800 X-Message-Number: 23 http://www.corvair.com/ zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims KR290S (Sky Pig) ,..Building ailerons and sanding the wings... mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Corvair sites From: Mike Mims Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:39:13 -0800 X-Message-Number: 24 http://www.corvairunderground.com/lon.htm http://users.aol.com/bpabpa7315/tm.html http://www.corvair.org/CSAClad.htm http://www.corvair.org/ http://members.aol.com/~vairparts/index.html non corvair http://www.provide.net/~pratt/ambuilt/faqhmblt.htm -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims KR290S (Sky Pig) ,..Building ailerons and sanding the wings... mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Methylene Chloride in coffee From: "Tom Cummings" Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 02:11:15 -0600 X-Message-Number: 25 I wanted to respond to this thread because methylene chloride is harmful and I feel my dealings with its regulation can be informative to those of us in this wonderful hobby and sport. There are different grades of methylene chloride. The type used to clean the coffee is surely a refined, diluted, and approved grade for the food industry. It has gone through a stringent treatment. (Just like iodine.A refined grade of iodine is used to refine table salt before we can use it.) However, other grades of methylene chloride for stripping and metal preparation are harmful and the waste created from using them is considered hazardous. This type waste created by "commercial" establishments is usually regulated by the government for transport and disposal operations. These are Large Quantity Generators. Large quantities of hazardous waste created, transported, and disposed require an EPA permit number usually issued by the state government. The quantity is determined by the particular state and the federal government working together. Products such as these should have a Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) available to the user which details the harmful effects, first aid treatment, and the proper method of handling spills. Also, if someone spills a large quantity of this material, it has to be reported to the particular state so it can monitor a proper remediation and protect the public. ( a barrel or tanker trailer, etc. - I know we are not going to spill that much in our shops but I am just trying to discuss methylene chloride in general.) When traveling on the highway and you ever see a placarded vehicle or container that reads UN1593, that is methylene chloride. It will most likely be a highly concentrated liquid enroute to a plant to be distributed or used in some chemical manufacturing process. (Or processed to clean my coffee!) Below is a list of basic characteristics and safety measures for methylene chloride taken from the US Dept. of Transportation Emergency Response Guidebook: 1. Vapors may cause dizziness or suffocation. 2. Exposure in a closed area may be harmful. 3. Contact may irritate or burn skin and eyes. 4. Fire may produce irritating and poisonous gases. 5. Runoff from fire control or dilution water may cause polution. 6. Some of these materials (liquids) may burn, but not ignite readily. 7. However, air/vapor mixtures MAY EXPLODE when ignited. 8. A container may explode in heat of fire. 9. A small fire can be treated with a dry chemical or C02 extinguisher. 10.Large fire can need water spray, fog, or regular foam. 11.Move inhalation victim to fresh air, give artificial respiration or oxygen. 12.Wash eyes 15 minutes with water, wash skin with soap and water, and remove clothing. Read those labels on your shop supplies carefully. And even though someone may feel that they may have gotten "used to" a chemcial, that doesn't mean that the chemical is harmless. Tom Cummings ---------- > From: Michael Taglieri > To: KR-net users group > Cc: kr-net@telelists.com > Subject: [kr-net] Methylene Chloride in coffee > Date: Thursday, March 18, 1999 9:51 PM > > >Its also used to decafinate coffee. (Really I'm not kidding) > > Just for the record, it is used to wash the coffee, dissolving the > caffeine and washing it away, but then it evaporates, the same as it does > when you're stripping paint. Supposedly, the amount left is exceedingly > small and is not a health risk. > > Mike Taglieri > _____________________________________________ > > "Fundamentally the marksman aims at himself." > - from Zen And the Art of Archery > > > >>If methelene chloride is the stuff they use in paint strippers, I've > >>read that it is harmful. Didn't the EPA come out with new low level > >>guilines for workers? I read about this in "Aviation Maintenance" > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: tomlc@communique.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com