From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 1999 12:22 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: March 24, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Wednesday, March 24, 1999. 1. POSA 2. prop selelction 3. Re: sealing spars 4. Re: 3700 RPM 5. KR2S CAD files 6. Re: prop selelction 7. thinking of building a KR 8. Re: Online Manual 9. Re: thinking of building a KR 10. Re: prop selelction 11. Re: thinking of building a KR 12. KR2 or S plans for trade? 13. Fw: KR2s and such 14. Re: thinking of building a KR 15. Sun'n Fun 99 16. Re: thinking of building a KR 17. wasted building time 18. Re: wasted building time 19. Re: wasted building time 20. Strobes 21. Empty Weight 22. Re: Strobes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: POSA From: "Richard Parker" Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 02:59:17 PST X-Message-Number: 1 so why does then POSA get such a bad rap? RP Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: prop selelction From: "Richard Parker" Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 03:13:38 PST X-Message-Number: 2 Mike, can you or anyone elso on the net recommend any documentation that covers prop selection? With a built up engine that you arent real sure of the exact hp how does one select the right prop. I initially thought that I would just buy a Warp Drive Prop and have the ability to tweak it however I could buy 2 - 3 props for the price of a warp drive. even if it took me 3 times to get it right I'd still break even RP >From: Mike Mims >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" >To: "KR-net users group" >Subject: [kr-net] Re: 3700 RPM >Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 16:27:50 -0800 > > >>>>> Would any of you guys know the recommended static PROP RPM required from a 90hp VW turning a 55" three blade warp drive through a planetary reduction 1.47 to 1. At this time my static prop RPM is 2500 at engine RPM 3700. What would be the best setup?>>>> > >I just recently read somewhere that one thing homebuilders overlook >during the first flight phase is it the powerplant it producing maximum >rate hp before take off. I cant remember what was recommended but that >is awfully slow RPM for a 55 inch prop. Although the engine is up to >the right HP your prop efficiency (thrust production) at that low of RPM >would be really low. Now if your prop were 75 inches long that would be >a different story. From all I have read about prop design the prop tip >velocity should be close to or at the speed of sound at maximum rated >take off HP and rpm. Good luck! > >FWIW a 55 inch prop can go close to 4500 rpm before the tips go sonic. > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >KR290S (Sky Pig) ,..Building ailerons and sanding the wings... >mailto:mikemims@home.com >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >Aliso Viejo Ca >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: richontheroad@hotmail.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: sealing spars From: "Richard Parker" Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 03:26:07 PST X-Message-Number: 3 I dont see why your couldnt drill up to about a 1 inch diameter hole in each section of the spar plywood and spray varnish inside and then cap the hole with another plywood disc about twice the radius. You may want to check with an EAA "doctor" (If he says no - do it anyway.) Using the angled spray heads that rustproofers use on vehicles may help. They are available in JC whitney catalog. RP >From: Bruce Gomm >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" >To: "KR-net users group" >Subject: [kr-net] sealing spars >Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:50:05 -0600 > >Recently there was a thread about sealing the inside of the spars. I >also bought a project started by somebody else and after checking I have >found that my spars were not varnished or sealed in any manor inside or >out. Does any body have any suggestions? The main spars are installed >already and I do not really want to start over with them. I obviously >can take care of the external sealing but what can I do about the >insides? > >Thanks for any suggestions. > >Bruce Gomm >brucegomm@sprintmail.com > > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: richontheroad@hotmail.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: 3700 RPM From: "Blandford, Carlton C" Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:59:45 +0200 X-Message-Number: 4 Thks, most of the local chaps also say I should get the prop speed up to 3000rpm minimum. This should bring it in line with a direct drive. I have set 14 degrees pitch on the protractor, what would this be in pitch..52" 53".?? I don't see any conversions in the manuals.... > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Mims [SMTP:mikemims@home.com] > Sent: 24 March 1999 02:28 > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Re: 3700 RPM > > > >>>> Would any of you guys know the recommended static PROP RPM required > from a 90hp VW turning a 55" three blade warp drive through a planetary > reduction 1.47 to 1. At this time my static prop RPM is 2500 at engine > RPM 3700. What would be the best setup?>>>> > > I just recently read somewhere that one thing homebuilders overlook > during the first flight phase is it the powerplant it producing maximum > rate hp before take off. I cant remember what was recommended but that > is awfully slow RPM for a 55 inch prop. Although the engine is up to > the right HP your prop efficiency (thrust production) at that low of RPM > would be really low. Now if your prop were 75 inches long that would be > a different story. From all I have read about prop design the prop tip > velocity should be close to or at the speed of sound at maximum rated > take off HP and rpm. Good luck! > > FWIW a 55 inch prop can go close to 4500 rpm before the tips go sonic. > > -- > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > Micheal Mims > KR290S (Sky Pig) ,..Building ailerons and sanding the wings... > mailto:mikemims@home.com > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > Aliso Viejo Ca > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: CBlandford@mail.sbic.co.za > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KR2S CAD files From: "Mark Langford" Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 07:06:27 -0600 X-Message-Number: 5 Juergen Esser wrote: >There was a talk wether there are CAD-drawings of the KR2 (S) ore not. Maybe >I can help you with that but it takes time. Before I start my project I will >redraw the plans on CAD for educational purpose on my PC. Which software do >you prefer? AutoCad or MicroStation? You can get them when they are ready. Juergen, I guess I've given up on Jeannette because I volunteered years ago to redo the plans for her for nothing. She said they were already done (in 1993!) but she wasn't sending them out because they weren't quite done yet. 6 years of people suffering through those confusing plans for no reason is indefensible. She finally sent me a set of her "new" but unpublished KR2S plans, and they were much better than the originals, but several pages were missing, and a lot of the same old problems were there. But at least they were on CAD. Again, I said I'd fix them for nothing, clarifying and and updating them whenever she wanted if she'd just send me the CAD files to save me a lot of time. There is no sense in redrawing the plans from scratch when the CAD files already exist. It's a difference of 15 hours per sheet (12 altogether) or 1.5 hours per sheet. I got the run around between her and Kevin Kelly for several months (as they both promised me they were practically in the mail) before I just wrote it off as worrying over something that I have no control over. He would say "just tell her to give me the OK and they're on their way", and she would say "I'll call him right now and tell him it's OK", but it never happened. That frustration has now led me to the point of saying "that offer has now expired", as most of my dealings with her left me with a headache. This tale is well documented in the archives, back near the very beginning of KRNet. If you want to redo the plans for her in AutoCAD, she would probably appreciate it. But they need clarifying in many areas. The dimensioning is confusing, and in particular, the spar page is the definition of chaos. You have to study them for days to figure out what's going on, and a few dimensions and notes would clarify it all. It's no wonder that this is the point at which many boats are sold. If you want to improve on the plans and send them to her, you're welcome to it. Her main wish is that you don't change the physical shape or dimensions of anything in the plans, nor change the material or methods in any way. That still leaves a lot of room for improvement, and you have my best wishes in your effort. Personally, I think the thought of KR2S CAD files mentioned in the same sentence with "Internet" sends shivers down her spine... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: prop selelction From: Tom Crawford Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:32:48 -0800 X-Message-Number: 6 Richard Parker wrote: > > Mike, can you or anyone elso on the net recommend any documentation that > covers prop selection? With a built up engine that you arent real sure > of the exact hp how does one select the right prop. I initially thought > that I would just buy a Warp Drive Prop and have the ability to tweak it > however I could buy 2 - 3 props for the price of a warp drive. even if > it took me 3 times to get it right I'd still break even > > RP > > Rich, There are plenty of people on this net who have "been there, done that" and can give one a good starting point on prop selection- depending on the powerplant. I think static RPM only gives you a rough estimate of whether a prop is appropriate. You must fly the thing to know for sure. My humble opinion is that (with a VW) you should size the prop to be able to turn 35-3600 RPM at full throttle IN THE AIR. Of course, to get to this point, it would be great to be able to borrow props, and have to buy only the one that suits your installation. Wouldn't it be great if the prop maker would come out to your airport with a variety of props to fit your plane and let you fly them until you got just the right one? Tom Crawford tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL N262TC ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: thinking of building a KR From: "Paul Woolverton Jr." Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:31:45 -0500 X-Message-Number: 7 Last week the "own your own plane" virus infected me. It looks like a lot of fun and the idea of making weekend trips to far-off friends and family is hugely tempting. From glancing at the recent home-built plane magazines and the Internet sites, the KR-2 or KR-2s looks like in inexpensive, quick plane that would fit my desires and budget. But I have some questions. 1) Where can I get a FAQ? The link to the FAQ at www.krnet.org is dead... it gives me an "error 404, 404, 500" from Teleport Internet Services. 2) The specs claim a cruise speed of 180mph, and a top speed of about 200mph. Are these an average? Are they optimistic, theoretical estimates assuming a professional builder made the plane, and in reality most people cruise much slower? Have people made significantly faster versions? In short, how realistic are the published specs on speed and the other items like range, load/cargo capacity, etc.? I suspect this will vary much as it appears that no two KRs are alike. 3) The most complicated things I've built are plastic models, model rockets, some mostly pre-fabbed furniture and a desktop computer. The computer skills probably won't translate well to carpentry and fiberglass manufacture. I have a strong suspicion that if I get a kit, my reach will exceed my grasp. Any advice or thoughts? 4) I don't have a pilot license, but have found I can get one in about six months of weekend study at my local FBO. The training is in a Cessna 172. Would the KR be too much plane for such a green pilot? 5) How long does it take most people to build one? I'm guessing that if I were a highly skilled builder, I'm looking at a year of weekends. But I'm a largely unskilled builder. 6) I'm guessing that the final cost, including engine, radio and avionics, will be about $15,000 to $20,000. Is that realistic? I'd like something with instruments, as my local private-plane airport (Lumberton, NC) has an instrument landing system. It gets foggy here pretty often. 6) I'm near Fayetteville, NC. Is there anyone nearby who would like me to show me a KR? I'd really like to see one in person and hear what went into building it. thanks! paul woolverton ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Online Manual From: "Mark Langford" Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 07:58:58 -0600 X-Message-Number: 8 I've put a start for an "FAQ" on my web site at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/faq It's just a beginning for the first page. It can be downloaded ("view, source") and edited to get you going, even if you've never done HTML before. Just stick a

where you want a paragraph. A few guidelines might be that all of it goes in one directory, which makes it real easy to transport to another web site if required. All images pertaining to a certain chapter might start with "ca" for canopy drawings (ca001.jpg) etc, so that all the files can coexist in the same directory without overwriting anything. Steve Eberhart has set up a list for those who wish to participate, as well as a place to do it. That way we can get this traffic off of KRNet so you guys can go on talking about the really important stuff. We can move the stuff to his server as well. We still need somebody just to coordinate the thing, unless Kimball Anderson has unwittingly volunteered for it, and can stand the increased scope of work. All people who want to help out can join Steve's "faq" list. I guess he'll publish how to do it later today. Now would be a good time to decide what chapters you'd like to tackle, and yes, I think it's great that each chapter could have 5 different ways to build a canopy. That way I could detail how I did my tail, and others could show the RR method. Readers could make their own choice as to which way is easier. And this thing could be added to forever, as time permits. If I seem a "little" cranky lately, it's because I've been working 13 hours days for the last 6 months, hence the bad attitude, and zero construction progress. There is nothing more valuable to me than my time lately, which is why I'm trying to delegate this out as much as possible... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: thinking of building a KR From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:30:28 EST X-Message-Number: 9 In a message dated 3/24/99 8:46:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, paul@pobox.com writes: << I have a strong suspicion that if I get a kit, my reach will exceed my grasp. Any advice or thoughts? The KR can be built using mostly tools you have in your garage. With a little research into building techniques most people can built one. The good thing about this airplane is that you can spend less than $1000 for your wood kit and be busy for a year. What is the going rate on the spruce kit guys? Would the KR be too much plane for such a green pilot? Tom Crawfor "test" flew his with under 100 hours total time. 5) How long does it take most people to build one? I'm guessing that if I were a highly skilled builder, I'm looking at a year of weekends. But I'm a largely unskilled builder. You better look at two to three years of some long weekends, it's a slower process than one my imagine. It's still worth it though. 6) I'm guessing that the final cost, including engine, radio and avionics, will be about $15,000 to $20,000. Is that realistic? If you watch what you spend you can be in the air for much less than the $15,000 I'd like something with instruments, as my local private-plane airport (Lumberton, NC) has an instrument landing system. It gets foggy here pretty often. This is a VFR airplane only, don't even think about IMC conditions. thanks! paul woolverton >> Dana Overall 1999 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto: kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: prop selelction From: Mike Mims Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 07:26:52 -0800 X-Message-Number: 10 Richard Parker wrote: > > Mike, can you or anyone elso on the net recommend any documentation that covers prop selection? With a built up engine that you arent real sure of the exact hp how does one select the right prop. >>>> Well since no two homebuilt props are alike (close but not alike) I think your gonna find it hit and miss. But there have been a lot before you and you can benefit from their experiences. I have a book but I forget the name that goes into building your own prop and you need to know only a few things to get you in the ball park. One is max HP @ what rpm, two is maximum prop length, three is top speed of aircraft at max HP-RPM. There are a few charts in the book that do all the work for you but you can also use the props that work on a VW of the same size and HP to get an idea. From the little flying I have done with a VW I would want the static RPM around 3000 to 3100 and max rpm in the 3500 range. They seem to run real well at those RPMs. Your Subaru (without turbo) should be about the same as a 1835 VW unless you bump the compression up a little. I would think a 52x48 would be a great starting point. With higher compression maybe you could start with a 52x50? I am only using 52 as a reference to the VW props. If you can swing a longer one I would go as long as possible. I am a firm believer that the tips need to be as close as possible to sonic at max RPMs. This has been stated in many prop books I have read and it is a common feature among higher performance aircraft. Regardless of prop diameter the tip speeds are usually within a 100mph of sonic at max rpm setting. I chose as long a prop as I could fit on the Sky Pig (65x72) and I wish it were a few inches longer. Maybe you could start with a 54x48? If I can find the book I will post its name here. I bought it from Amazon.com I think or maybe directly from the writer. Get your prop hub made to use the same bolt pattern as GPASC VW prop hub and you may find guys that will let you borrow their props for static rpm testing. If I had one I would let you borrow it when the time comes. Actually I may just have one to loan you when your ready. (Props Inc 52x48) -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims KR290S (Sky Pig) ,..Building ailerons and sanding the wings... mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: thinking of building a KR From: Andreas Meyer Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:27:31 -0500 X-Message-Number: 11 Hi Paul, my few words of advice to you would be to first get your pilots certificate. Once you have that you will better know whether or not flying is something that you really want to do. After you get your certificate keep on renting planes for a little while to see what kind of flying you really want to be doing; low and slow (basic plane), or high and fast (plane with all the toys). This will give you a better idea of your flying destinations, number of people that fly with you, amount of baggage that you want to carry with you, weather conditions you feel comfortable flying in, etc. Just FYI, the KR-2 is not what I would consider a good IFR platform. Also if you are planning on using this plane for longer trips, don't expect to carry much luggage with you unless you are traveling by yourself. And my last bit of advice is that if you really want to fly then rent or buy a plane. If you enjoy the building part as much or more than the flying then by all means start building once you've figured out what plane will meet your needs but not before then. Good luck, Andreas North Andover, MA ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KR2 or S plans for trade? From: "Mark Langford" Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:02:20 -0600 X-Message-Number: 12 Anybody got some plans they want to get rid of? See below. -----Original Message----- From: Luis Manuel da Rocha Graca <1386@ufp.pt> To: langford@hiwaay.net Date: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 12:57 PM Subject: kr2 HELLO , MY NAME IS VITOR AMARAL I'M FROM PORTUGAL, AND IN MY FREE TIMES I LOVE FLY, SO I'M THINKING TO DO ANOTHER AIRPLANE THE KR-2 OR KR-2S, MY LASTE WAS THE SONERAI II-LT. I'M SENDING THIS E-MAIL BECAUSE I am looking for a set of plans and construction manual for the KR....SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN SELL KR PLANS OR CHANGE IT TO THE SONERAI PLANS. I would like them to be complete and undamaged and not to be copies. My e-mail address is VAMARAL@HOTMAIL.COM PLEASE ANSWER ME AS SOON AS POSSIBLE THANK'S VITOR AMARAL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Fw: KR2s and such From: "Mark Langford" Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:58:27 -0600 X-Message-Number: 13 Anybody in Oregon up for helping out a new KR pilot? See below... -----Original Message----- From: LandHG@aol.com To: langford@hiwaay.net Date: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 4:49 PM Subject: KR2s and such >hi I'm a new kr owner , I have a old 81 vintage kr I am an A&P and I >dabble a bit with composites. I bought it built because it was cheap and I >am lazy I have been working on it for a while and thought I would contact >you to see if you had any advice on flying it. it is RG, 1835 Happi, >taildragger equipped. also if you know any one in my area that would be >willing to give me a ride in one so the first flight is not a total freak out >experience I would be grateful. I live in portland OR.and my address is >lcgiles@juno.com > > Scott Devlin > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: thinking of building a KR From: "Tom Andersen" Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:04:23 -0500 X-Message-Number: 14 Paul, What Andreas Meyer wrote is the gospel truth. All your questions relate to ownership which comes after building, so unless you're secretly into the intrinsic rewards of creating your own plane, buy an airplane already built. It'll cost you far less money for the same plane. If you really need to have a self-built airplane, find a project somebody else gave up on. You can get it for pennies on the dollar and chances are good of finding a well-built project. Don't make the mistake of building something so you have an airplane to fly. Many of the builders here already have something available to them to fly on a regular basis, with homebuilding as an extension of their aviation hobby or career. Get into that Cessna 172 and fly, fly, fly. When you finish your license you'll know exactly what you want to do for a project, and how you want to do it, which is the greatest time-saver of all. -Tom Andersen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Sun'n Fun 99 From: Kip Anderson Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:47:38 -0500 X-Message-Number: 15 --------------93B632873C6DD78518114DC6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit EAA Sun'n Fun April 11 - 17 Lakeland, Florida KR Aircraft Forum Tuesday 9:00 AM Speaker Mrs. J. Rand How many Kr's will be flying in? I was not very impressed with last years KR Forum and after it was over everyone disappeared into the crowd. What about Tuesday evening after the air show about 5:00 PM meeting for dinner and chat at the main cafe at the east end. Kip Anderson Titusville, Florida kipapilot@gnc.net --------------93B632873C6DD78518114DC6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit EAA Sun'n Fun
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KR Aircraft Forum Tuesday 9:00 AM  Speaker Mrs. J. Rand

How many Kr's will be flying in?

I was not very impressed with last years KR Forum and after it was over everyone disappeared into the crowd. What about Tuesday evening after the air show about 5:00 PM meeting for dinner and chat at the main cafe at the east end.

Kip Anderson
Titusville, Florida
kipapilot@gnc.net --------------93B632873C6DD78518114DC6-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: thinking of building a KR From: SkyHawk11@aol.com Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 22:24:42 EST X-Message-Number: 16 808BS was built for a total cost in this years dollars of $19000.oo However this included the cost of preformed fiberglass wing skins and formed cowl and turtle deck. this speeds up building trime but increases cost by about 4000 dollars. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: wasted building time From: "dene collett" Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 23:24:06 +0200 X-Message-Number: 17 Hi all I have been a member of this group for a grand five days now and have seen precious little constructive construction talk(my reason for joining the group). I dont want to come across as the new guy trying to run the show but as far as im concerned there is only two reasons why I could be sitting behind my terminal right now: 1)I am waiting for my bank acount to recover enough to allow me to move to the garage and work on my project or 2) I have run into a problem in the garage and need some help from you guys. In stead all I see is talk about a construction manual that already basically exists on the excellent websites of a number of you. If I may make a suggestion : why not rather form a list of construction topics with the sites at wich information can be found. That way if anybody wants a manual all they have to do is collect the info from all the sites. Another plus is that if a lawsuit arises from someone trying to drill a hole in the earth with his KR, someone will first have to find the cause of the crash to put the blame on anybody. That is my opinion anyway, lets rather build aeroplanes or at least discuss how to build them. Dene Collett ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: wasted building time From: Ron Lee Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:26:17 -0700 X-Message-Number: 18 Er, um. This posting is typical of folks who come into a list and make a rash judgement about its content. This group offers BEAUCOUP advise on any question you may have. There are many web sites where you can see exactly how someone did something. There are numerous suggestions on improving the plane including a NEW wing that may offer substantially better performance than the stock wing. May I suggest that you look at some of the web sites that these folks have created for the benefit of folks like yourself and quit whining. Nothing personal Dene but you are way off base here. I have been on this list mucho longer and the data available to help you is way beyond what you have seen in a mere five days. Ron Lee At 11:24 PM 3/24/99 +0200, you wrote: >Hi all >I have been a member of this group for a grand five days now and have seen >precious little constructive construction talk(my reason for joining the >group). I dont want to come across as the new guy trying to run the show but >as far as im concerned there is only two reasons why I could be sitting >behind my terminal right now: 1)I am waiting for my bank acount to recover >enough to allow me to move to the garage and work on my project or 2) I have >run into a problem in the garage and need some help from you guys. In stead >all I see is talk about a construction manual that already basically exists >on the excellent websites of a number of you. >If I may make a suggestion : why not rather form a list of construction >topics with the sites at wich information can be found. That way if anybody >wants a manual all they have to do is collect the info from all the sites. >Another plus is that if a lawsuit arises from someone trying to drill a hole >in the earth with his KR, someone will first have to find the cause of the >crash to put the blame on anybody. > >That is my opinion anyway, lets rather build aeroplanes or at least discuss >how to build them. >Dene Collett > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: ronlee@pcisys.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: wasted building time From: "Rod Kelso" Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:59:37 -0700 X-Message-Number: 19 Im with you DENE. Lets talk aeroplane building!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Even if you are only a 5 day member you and I subscribed to hear about building planes, not how to build a MANUAL that has seemed to work out just great for alot of people. JUST LOOK AT THERE WEB PAGES! Rod Kelso Denver, Colorado ---------- > From: dene collett > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] wasted building time > Date: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 2:24 PM > > Hi all > I have been a member of this group for a grand five days now and have seen > precious little constructive construction talk(my reason for joining the > group). I dont want to come across as the new guy trying to run the show but > as far as im concerned there is only two reasons why I could be sitting > behind my terminal right now: 1)I am waiting for my bank acount to recover > enough to allow me to move to the garage and work on my project or 2) I have > run into a problem in the garage and need some help from you guys. In stead > all I see is talk about a construction manual that already basically exists > on the excellent websites of a number of you. > If I may make a suggestion : why not rather form a list of construction > topics with the sites at wich information can be found. That way if anybody > wants a manual all they have to do is collect the info from all the sites. > Another plus is that if a lawsuit arises from someone trying to drill a hole > in the earth with his KR, someone will first have to find the cause of the > crash to put the blame on anybody. > > That is my opinion anyway, lets rather build aeroplanes or at least discuss > how to build them. > Dene Collett > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rbk@orci.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Strobes From: "Dean Collette" Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 23:20:18 -0600 X-Message-Number: 20 The other day I ran across this web site: http://www.kestrobes.com Has anybody seen these? Dean Collette Milwaukee, Wisconsin mailto:drdean@execpc.com Web Page at http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/home.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Empty Weight From: "Jim Gogniat" Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 22:35:37 X-Message-Number: 21 I Jim Gogniat am new to the krnet, and hope that some of you fellows that have finished a KR2 can give me some realistic idea of what I can expect my aircraft to weigh as I describe it to you. My goal is to be under 550pounds since I am using a 1776cc engine with a compression ratio of 7.0 to 1.0, I hope to have 63HP for takeoff. I have a stock length KR2 with the retractable landing gear and mechanical brakes. The stock KR2 canopy, plans built turtle deck and forward deck, Bobby Muses old premolded revmaster engine cowling, and a set of premolded wing tips from an old friend that some of you may have known, the late KR1 owner Gene Darst from Beaumont Texas. I am not sure if the premolded parts that I have are lighter or heavyer than the plans built parts? The landing gear latches have been changed to an arc bar latching system using 6061 T6 half inch arc bars for the pin lock . I also used two extra of the 356 T6 castings that hold the spring bar to the spar castings, that is two extra hinge castings on top of the spring bar to hold a 3/8 AN bolt with the threads cut off as a positive pin lock for the landing gear.This hinge sits ontop of a 1 inch high 6061 T6 box, the same as the lock box in the original gear latch system. I just lowered it 1 inch to avoid any twisting of the latch support. The total weight increase here was only 2.5 pounds and used all of the same materials that the original retract gear uses. I figured that if it works on the bottom of the spring bar then it should work on top of the spring bar as well. I have a MAC electric trim system for the elevator that is the same weight as the mechanical systems that a builder would use. VERY light ! This brings me to the instrument panel. I have the same instruments that you would find in a Cessna 152, but with no panel mounted radios. A ventury in the low pressure side of the engine cowl provides the vacuum for the attitude indicator and directional gyros.This method was tested by NASA ten years ago and worked fine in a Cherokee 140, so I hope that it works in my KR.The aircraft has a Diehl case with a magneto, alternater, and starter from Steve Bennett along with Steves secondary electronic ignition system. There you have it ! Stock plane, dual ignition VW engine, 152 instruments, and I almost forgot LIGHTS, for night flight. Can I make 550 pounds empty weight? I did - NOT - install wing tanks, but I did build the wing flap system into the plane. If I can not make it under 550 pounds with those flight instruments and lights installed, they will have to go! I will be under 550 pounds when finished. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Strobes From: Mike Mims Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 22:52:14 -0800 X-Message-Number: 22 Dean Collette wrote: > > The other day I ran across this web site: http://www.kestrobes.com > Has anybody seen these? > No I haven't seen those particular ones but I found this page the other day: http://www.inscorp.com/~mandrson/ and I sent the guy an email to make sure he is in business and he replied instantly with a big AFIRM! -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims KR290S (Sky Pig) ,..Building ailerons and sanding the wings... mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com