From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Friday, March 26, 1999 12:18 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: March 25, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Thursday, March 25, 1999. 1. Re: wasted building time/ Everybody, please reply via private e-mail to this. 2. Spar Contact. 3. varnish the spar? 4. Re: Sun'n Fun 99 5. Re: Spar Contact. 6. Re: Spar Contact. 7. Re: varnish the spar? 8. revflow carb 9. Re: wasted building time 10. Re: varnish the spar? 11. Relief from unrelated messages 12. check out this URL 13. [Fwd: Member] 14. Re: Empty Weight 15. Re: varnish the spar? 16. Re: thinking of building a KR 17. Re: Empty Weight 18. Re: revflow carb 19. Re: prop selelction 20. Re: revflow carb 21. Re: Dana's wings 22. Re: KR Online manual 23. kr2 weight ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: wasted building time/ Everybody, please reply via private e-mail to this. From: "Tom Andersen" Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 07:17:20 -0500 X-Message-Number: 1 Everyone, Please address your replies to Dene via private e-mail, as I have done. 400 people don't need to read them! Knee-jerk responses on-line will clog the list. -Tom -----Original Message----- From: dene collett To: KR-net users group Date: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 11:24 PM Subject: [kr-net] wasted building time >Hi all >I have been a member of this group for a grand five days now and have seen >precious little constructive construction talk(my reason for joining the >group). I dont want to come across as the new guy trying to run the show but >as far as im concerned there is only two reasons why I could be sitting >behind my terminal right now: 1)I am waiting for my bank acount to recover >enough to allow me to move to the garage and work on my project or 2) I have >run into a problem in the garage and need some help from you guys. In stead >all I see is talk about a construction manual that already basically exists >on the excellent websites of a number of you. >If I may make a suggestion : why not rather form a list of construction >topics with the sites at wich information can be found. That way if anybody >wants a manual all they have to do is collect the info from all the sites. >Another plus is that if a lawsuit arises from someone trying to drill a hole >in the earth with his KR, someone will first have to find the cause of the >crash to put the blame on anybody. > >That is my opinion anyway, lets rather build aeroplanes or at least discuss >how to build them. >Dene Collett > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: tomkr2s@t-three.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Spar Contact. From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 07:54:58 EST X-Message-Number: 2 An interesting point came up while the bunch from LangfordKosh went up to see Troy Pettaway's airplane Sunday. Troy was busy sanding (what else do you do) his new 16% airfoil. Troy mentioned the fact you have a hard time making the spar contour exactly into the upper skin area as you want to have wood to glass contact. You inevitably sand the foam lower than the spar. For you guys just starting to lay up the wings, I saw this over the weekend. Leave the foam ever so slightly higher than the spar. Lay your glass and you will end up with a low spot over the spar, instead of the ever so popular "high spot". This area is then easily filled with Super Fil (oh, shi$@#$ it isn't Friday yet) and you end up not being able to see the spar. When I say depression, I mean a really small depression. Another note on the spars. Some discussion has gone on here recently about varnishing your spars. Do not varnish the areas where you will attach ribs to the webbing or the tops and bottoms of your spar caps. You want raw wood in these areas for a good contact between the foam for your ribs and the glass from your skins. At high speeds the upper surfaces of your wings will pull up from the pressure (Troy sees this even on the King Air he flies) and your spar to skin contact is what holds it all together. For you experienced builders, sorry for what seems elementary but it just might help out the newer builders. Dana Overall 1999 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: varnish the spar? From: boggyd@webtv.net (D Bogdan) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:48:10 -0600 (CST) X-Message-Number: 3 I am a long way from this step in construction but, kindly, explain about varnishing the wood members. It seems the plans call for varnishing everything (spars, boat, ribs) and then covering in fiberglass. Doesn't this interfere with the bonding process for wing skins and spar? Regards, DJ Milwaukee Success comes in cans.... not in can'ts, ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Sun'n Fun 99 From: Great Plains Aircraft Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:09:42 +0000 X-Message-Number: 4 Kip: We are sponsoring a free get together for the KR-Net at the airfield after 5PM on Monday, April 12. Stop by the Great Plains booth and we will tell you the location. This doesn't mean you can't have another get together.... Linda at Great Plains ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Spar Contact. From: Steven Eberhart Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:16:16 -0600 (CST) X-Message-Number: 5 On Thu, 25 Mar 1999 KR2616TJ@aol.com wrote: > An interesting point came up while the bunch from LangfordKosh went up to see > Troy Pettaway's airplane Sunday. Troy was busy sanding (what else do you do) > his new 16% airfoil. [snip] > At high speeds the upper surfaces of your wings will pull up > from the pressure (Troy sees this even on the King Air he flies) and your spar > to skin contact is what holds it all together. Dana, Did Troy use the Langford sandwich skin method for making his wing skins? The new NLF airfoils don't like to see the airfoil deformed as you end up with a completely new airfoil. The Langford sandwich skin method of constructing skins should yield a much stiffer wing skin with less tendancy to deform. Also, wings like Mike Mims Sky Pig, with hotwired solid foam cores, should help in this area. Dr. Selig has said that if you miss the airfoil shape by more than 1/16" than you have a new airfoil. THis was for wind tunnel models with only an 18" chord. If you scale this up to our 40 or so inch airfoils, 3/16" or so is significant. Steve Eberhart ------------------------------------- http://www.newtech.com/nlf One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly food for thought and is in no way intended to imply that it is anything more than ideas requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Spar Contact. From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:39:04 EST X-Message-Number: 6 In a message dated 3/25/99 10:16:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, newtech@newtech.com writes: << Did Troy use the Langford sandwich skin method for making his wing skins? Yes, Troy did use Mark's method and his skins are flush with the spars. I agree (a me too) that this method yields a stiffer skin than the traditional sand and glass method. Dr. Selig has said that if you miss the airfoil shape by more than 1/16" than you have a new airfoil. THis was for wind tunnel models with only an 18" chord. If you scale this up to our 40 or so inch airfoils, 3/16" or so is significant. >> Troy hasn't missed on the airfoil. He's a perfectionist and was simply shaking his head about trying to make the spar disappear completely. He's got the new airfoil. Dana Overall 1999 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: varnish the spar? From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:43:45 EST X-Message-Number: 7 In a message dated 3/25/99 9:48:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, boggyd@webtv.net writes: << kindly, explain about varnishing the wood members. It seems the plans call for varnishing everything (spars, boat, ribs) and then covering in fiberglass. Doesn't this interfere with the bonding process for wing skins and spar? >> If you varnish prior to gluing you will need to go back and sand back down to bare wood. When you make that glue contact or resin contact you want each of them to penetrate the wood itself. You will not end up with the glue joint you need if you have a layer of varnish in the joint itself. Build everything up and then varnish. Dana Overall 1999 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: revflow carb From: "Richard Parker" Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:07:56 PST X-Message-Number: 8 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_74286e3c_27a75cf9$57d99fc3 Content-type: text/plain Anyone have any experience with a revflow carb? I'm trying to pick a good match for my soon to be non EFI turbocharged EA-81. The price looks very reasonable. Rich Parker richontheroad@hotmail.com http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm Jaffrey, NH (Ignore what it says below - Hotmail Stinks!) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------=_NextPart_000_74286e3c_27a75cf9$57d99fc3 Content-type: text/html Anyone have any experience with a revflow carb? 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Rick N886KR ---------- From: Rod Kelso[SMTP:rbk@orci.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 11:59 PM To: KR-net users group Subject: [kr-net] Re: wasted building time Im with you DENE. Lets talk aeroplane building!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Even = if you are only a 5 day member you and I subscribed to hear about building planes, not how to build a MANUAL that has seemed to work out just great for alot of people. JUST LOOK AT THERE WEB PAGES! Rod Kelso Denver, Colorado ---------- > From: dene collett > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] wasted building time > Date: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 2:24 PM >=20 > Hi all > I have been a member of this group for a grand five days now and have seen > precious little constructive construction talk(my reason for joining = the > group). I dont want to come across as the new guy trying to run the = show but > as far as im concerned there is only two reasons why I could be = sitting > behind my terminal right now: 1)I am waiting for my bank acount to recover > enough to allow me to move to the garage and work on my project or 2) = I have > run into a problem in the garage and need some help from you guys. In stead > all I see is talk about a construction manual that already basically exists > on the excellent websites of a number of you. > If I may make a suggestion : why not rather form a list of = construction > topics with the sites at wich information can be found. 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From: Bobby Muse Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:31:18 -0600 X-Message-Number: 10 At 08:48 AM 03/25/1999 -0600, you wrote: >I am a long way from this step in construction but, kindly, explain >about varnishing the wood members. It seems the plans call for >varnishing everything (spars, boat, ribs) and then covering in >fiberglass. Doesn't this interfere with the bonding process for wing >skins and spar? > >Regards, >DJ This is my personal opinion... I would not varnish anything. I would not and did not use any varnish on my KR. All of the wood in my KR(N122B) is protected with epoxy. By using epoxy(whichever type you choose)to protect the wood, later you can easily sand the surface just before bonding on additional items(ie. ribs, supports, etc.). Also, as an example, it is easy to paint the inside of areas such as spar chambers with the same epoxy that you use to bond the spar skins and do it all in the same process. Excess(that was left over after a layup) epoxy was used to protect the sides of the KR. When ready to paint, it was easy to sand and accepted paint great.KISS Bobby Muse mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Relief from unrelated messages From: Steven Eberhart Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:45:13 -0600 (CST) X-Message-Number: 11 Project Viking has landed. Everyone interrested in following the progress of the new builders referrence aka manual and/or contributing to its construction please subscribe to the project_viking mail list. THis is the place where all of the action will be happening. From this point on all referrences to the new manual on KRNet will result in severe flame attacks :-) To subscribe to the new mail list send an email to majordomo@evansville.net with subscribe project_viking in the body of the email. Hopefully, everyone on KRNet will appreciate getting this unrelated traffic off of the net and everyone can get back to building aircraft. enjoy, Steve Eberhart ------------------------------------- http://www.newtech.com/nlf One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly food for thought and is in no way intended to imply that it is anything more than ideas requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: check out this URL From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:51:51 -0500 X-Message-Number: 12 Here is an interesting place to visit for all you engineer types. http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hall/4425/ Enjoy, WD -------------------------------------------- Wayne DeLisle Sr. Charlotte, North Carolina USA mailto:dodger@coincidental.net http://angst.webserve.net/~dodger -------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [Fwd: Member] From: Ross Youngblood Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:03:39 -0800 X-Message-Number: 13 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------FAE0361B70AB0A8D5DC6F92D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is a question from Barry S. in Canada... How about some friendly KR-net email. (He is not a member so email him direct) --------------FAE0361B70AB0A8D5DC6F92D Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: by mail1 (mbox rossy) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Wed Mar 24 15:57:21 1999) X-From_: barry.s@ns.sympatico.ca Tue Mar 23 17:21:47 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: rossy@teleport.com Received: (qmail 19576 invoked from network); 23 Mar 1999 17:21:45 -0000 Received: from jubilee.ns.sympatico.ca (142.177.1.6) by smtp8.teleport.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 1999 17:21:45 -0000 Received: from bs1 ([142.177.94.46]) by jubilee.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 607-45892U60000L60000S0) with SMTP id AAA14075 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:21:17 -0400 Message-ID: <36F7CC41.2D97@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:15:45 -0400 From: barry.s@ns.sympatico.ca (Barry Starratt) Reply-To: barry.s@ns.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-SYMPA (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rossy@teleport.com Subject: Member Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I did not realize there was an organization such as this. I was looking for some information on Kr2 Where to purchase plans Specks. etc Barry S. Who do I send the ten bucks to? Do you take Visa? Are there builders in Nova Scotia, Canada? --------------FAE0361B70AB0A8D5DC6F92D-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Empty Weight From: MARVIN MCCOY Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:22:09 -0800 X-Message-Number: 14 Jim Gogniat wrote: > > realistic idea of what I can expect my > aircraft to weigh as I describe it to you. My goal is to be under 550pounds > --------- Jim: You did not say what your plane weighs now.?? You may be close to 550 lbs, but I will bet with all of those instruments you have, you are going to be over your weight limit. It is my understanding that the Diehl tail dragger landing gear is several pounds lighter then the conventional gear. Besides your heavy instruments, this may be another place you can save weight. That is if you are willing to change landing gears. There are other things that can make your bird heavy, such as heavy glass lay-ups, that you can not do anything about now. I am interested in just what the weight of your bird is. Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field ---------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: varnish the spar? From: Mike Mims Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 16:58:35 -0800 X-Message-Number: 15 Bobby Muse wrote: > > This is my personal opinion... I would not varnish anything. I would not and did not use any varnish on my KR. >>> Bobby I completely agree with you as it seems varnish is an oil based product. Varnish is something that was used thousands of years ago before the days of epoxy glue. We have better options today and epoxy is one of them. To keep this from being a "me too" post I wanted to share with everyone what I did. While building my t-decks I would always keep a bottle of alcohol (the rubbing type) handy and some cheap paint brushes. I would mix a little alcohol in with the left over epoxy and start painting. This worked great. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims KR290S (Sky Pig) ,..Building ailerons and sanding the wings... mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: thinking of building a KR From: NFCKR3@aol.com Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:48:10 EST X-Message-Number: 16 I live in Durham and fly over Fayetteville almost weekly on my way to the beach. Would be glad to show you my KR or you could come to Ocean Isle and see it or to Durham. Skip Carden/250KB ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Empty Weight From: Mike Mims Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:02:34 -0800 X-Message-Number: 17 MARVIN MCCOY wrote: > > Jim Gogniat wrote: > > > > realistic idea of what I can expect my > > aircraft to weigh as I describe it to you. My goal is to be under 550pounds > > Troy Pettaways KR2 was considered very light and it weighed 525 lbs. At that weight Troy did not have an electrical system or gyros. I hate to say it but with what you have planned you will do good to keep ut under 600 lbs. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims KR290S (Sky Pig) ,..Building ailerons and sanding the wings... mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: revflow carb From: "JEAN" Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:06:18 -0600 X-Message-Number: 18 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01BE76F2.906D54C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Had one on my Sonerai II and loved it.Had a Posa And hated It. Had a = Zenith and liked it but needs carb heat. Jean N4DD Broken Arrow ,Ok -----Original Message----- From: Richard Parker To: KR-net users group Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 10:10 AM Subject: [kr-net] revflow carb =20 =20 Anyone have any experience with a revflow carb? I'm trying to pick a = good match for my soon to be non EFI turbocharged EA-81. The price looks = very reasonable.=20 =20 Rich Parker richontheroad@hotmail.com http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm Jaffrey, NH =20 (Ignore what it says below - Hotmail Stinks!) =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- =20 Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01BE76F2.906D54C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0027_01BE76F2.906D54C0-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: prop selelction From: NFCKR3@aol.com Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:45:45 EST X-Message-Number: 19 My KR2, (Built By Don Betchan) will turn 3450 to 3500 in level flight wide open. I don't know what the prop is because he made it himself! But I concur that 3500-3600 full throttle in level flight is about right. Skip/250KB ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: revflow carb From: Mike Mims Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:50:26 -0800 X-Message-Number: 20 > JEAN wrote: > > Had one on my Sonerai II and loved it.Had a Posa And hated It. Had a > Zenith and liked it but needs carb heat. > Jean > N4DD > Broken Arrow ,Ok > I had a brand new Revflow and sold it. Its a nicely built carb (stout) with a nice mixture control (again its stout) I have heard nothing but good form those who have flown behind one and I am considering one on the lycoming. I can buy one for what a replacement float on the Marval would cost so what the heck. I plan to call Revmaster tomorrow to see if they can be jetted to handle that much cfm. I will post what I find. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims KR290S (Sky Pig) ,..Building ailerons and sanding the wings... mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Dana's wings From: Michael Taglieri Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 00:34:13 EST X-Message-Number: 21 On Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:29:38 EST KR2616TJ@aol.com writes: >In a message dated 3/23/99 11:11:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, >newtech@newtech.com writes: > ><< Dana, Dana, Dana, > > You have this process all wrong. You build the airplane, then fly >it. > You don't build it, tear it apart, and then rebuild it! > > What was once an airplane almost ready to take flight is now tailless >and > wingless. THis has to stop. >> > >Believe me there is some reason to the madness. > >Although I am firm in my belief that the RAF48 is not the optimum >airfoil the >KR, but the skins are available to accomplice what I want at this >time. With >that said, I am certain that skins will be available for the new 16% >and 18% >wings in the very near future. If they were available this month, I >would use >them. > >All the research and published documentation were not available when I >laid up >my wings or I would have used them in the first place. > >Here's the deal. I have ordered new spruce to build up a new rear >center >spar, it ships today. Easy, simple & quick job. I am going to remove >the >existing rear spar and move it up .55" to remove some of the excessive >incident and to more properly align the wing and tail. This will >alleviate the >drag inherent in the incidents of each surface as the plans have you >build it. >This process will be painless and will go quickly. > >Now here is the neat part. I am going to go with an aileron that >mounts to >the aft of the rear spar and go only half the length of the outer wing >panel >instead of the skinny full length aileron that no one can figure out >why it >was used in the first place. This should more coordinate the elevator >and >aileron pressure. > >Another advantage here is I plan on leaving the upper skin surface on >the >"inside half of the outer panel" and reinforce the bottom with carbon >fiber >and use that as the upper surface of split flaps which will once again >be >mounted to the aft surface of the rear spar. This way, you don't have >to use >that hooky false spar to attach ailerons and flaps. My flaps will be >a useful >size instead of those little four inch things and I don't have to >redesign the >wheel to install a speed brake. > >The cable routing system will be the same system St. Mark has designed >on Mt. >Langford (inside joke here, you had to be there). It is the best >design out >there and is one of those ridiculously simplistic brilliant ideas that >you >kick yourself and wonder why no one else thought of it sooner. >(sounds like >Mark owes me one here, doesn't it) > >There's a whole bunch of birds I can kill with one stone. > >I'll still be able to fly this summer and will have the 40hrs. off of >it by >the gathering. > >Dana Overall >1999 KR Gathering host >Richmond, Ky >mailto: kr2616tj@aol.com >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: miket_nyc@juno.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR Online manual From: Michael Taglieri Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 00:34:13 EST X-Message-Number: 22 >Legally speaking, I agree that someone of the legal cloth should peruse the >material at some point to waylay any possibility of us all meeting in >courtroom 3 at the hearing. >If someone were to auger in as a result of is mis-labelled torque value for >the prop bolts, I would hope that Perry Mason was on our side. Best he be >there from the start. > >By the way, I think I dropped a list of things I found while reading all of >the back issues of the KR Newsletter (from day1 too!) The list was made up >of tips, caveats, values and just about anything useful that I could find. >Ed Newbold had it on his site for a while but I have not looked recently. If >I dig it up, which I can at work, where should I put it? The KR Newsletter has always faced the same liability worries this new manual would face, and they have a disclaimer on it that would probably be fine for you too (but not verbatim or Monte Miller may sue instead!) Alternatively, look at the disclaimer on the Newsletter for Stoddard-Hamilton, or some other competently run kitplane company, and copy that. Mike Taglieri _____________________________________________ "Fundamentally the marksman aims at himself." - from Zen And the Art of Archery ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: kr2 weight From: Mike Mims Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:32:01 -0800 X-Message-Number: 23 Listed empty weight of prototype KR2 480 lbs now lets see minus these items VW engine = 150 (no electrics) spruce kit = 75 plywood kit = 40 controls and landing gear = 45 instruments = 15 dynel, foam, filler, glue and resin = 50 paint = 10 pre-molded t-decks, fuel tank, cowling, and canopy = 65 this leaves 30 pounds to play with. I guess if you were to build the KR2 by the plans and install only VFR instruments and a no electrical VW you really could build one at the advertised empty weight of 480lbs! Believe it or not that's the first time I have added those weights to see if it could be done. I always assumed it would be close to impossible to build one under 500 pounds. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims KR290S (Sky Pig) ,..Building ailerons and sanding the wings... mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com