From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 12:33 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: April 20, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Tuesday, April 20, 1999. 1. ELT 2. Re: ELT 3. Re: WAF 4. Re: ELT 5. Re: WAF 6. Re: ELT 7. Re: Why can't we all just get along? 8. Jeanette's birthday, was: Why can't we all just get along? 9. Re: ELT 10. Re: I Posa de question 11. A definite POSAbility 12. Re: A definite POSAbility 13. Wings & kr2-s Pendant 14. Re: A definite POSAbility 15. Re: A definite POSAbility 16. Epoxies-was something else 17. Re: Epoxies-was something else ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: ELT From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:50:01 EDT X-Message-Number: 1 Looking over the installation manual for my ELT. I realize the manual applies to certified airplanes but there is a reason for that, I'm sure. Couple of points here: The automatic activation properties state that it is activated with a velocity change of 2Gs +/- .3 Gs. The mounting tray installation area called for must be able to support and withstand a 350 pound force in any direction without tearing or breaking from the aircraft. As for the antenna installation it calls for a ground plane in a non metal airplane of a minimum diameter of 36". The manual states that we could use a metallic coating paint (Spraylat Series 559) or aluminum foil with a doubler plate. My questions, and I realize that weight and balance comes into play here, where is everyone else mounting there units to achieve the non tearing standard and has anyone used Spraylat Series 559 for a ground plane? For those of you interested, my unit is the popular Ameri-King 450. The unit comes complete with antennas and cables. It also uses 6 standard dated (important) Duracell "D" batteries. It also has a portable antenna with a mic plug so that you can talk with SAR if in fact you do go down in rough terrain. Great deal for the price, and you don't have to use those damn expensive ELT battery packs. Dana Overall 1999 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanveral/hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: ELT From: Donald Reid Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:23:14 -0400 X-Message-Number: 2 KR2616TJ@aol.com wrote: > > Looking over the installation manual for my ELT. I realize the manual > applies to certified airplanes but there is a reason for that, I'm sure. > Couple of points here: The automatic activation properties state that it is > activated with a velocity change of 2Gs +/- .3 Gs. SNIP > My questions, and I realize that weight and balance comes into play here, > where is everyone else mounting there units to achieve the non tearing > standard and has anyone used Spraylat Series 559 for a ground plane? I haven't gotten mine yet, but I am planning on mounting it on the back face of the rear center spar. The de-acceleration force will be in a forward direction so the ELT will be moved more firmly onto the spar. You also need to be concerned with a "landing" that is survivable. You mentioned 350 pounds which is equivalent to a very significant G force. The limit of survivabilty is on the order of 20 to 40 G's. 350 pounds on an ELT is more like 100. BTW, I remember that the ELT is not required until the flight test period is completed and you are authorized to go outside of your designated test area. -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: WAF From: marmet Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:35:46 -0400 X-Message-Number: 3 THANKS CruzJ12@aol.com wrote: > wing attach fittings > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: marmet2@videotron.ca > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: ELT From: "Richard Parker" Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 05:38:36 PDT X-Message-Number: 4 Dana, I've seen other experimentals use copper screen from your hardware store for a ground plane. You can lay it down in the fuselage behind the seat. and hold it down with a blob of micro. I would think that if the mounting tray for your ELT were to be knocked free the resulting stop would activate it. if its small enough I'd consider mouting it on the main spar either in the middle or under your legs so that you can manually activate it. If I'm going down I'm going to arm it before I hit to ensure its pinging. RP >From: KR2616TJ@aol.com >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" >To: "KR-net users group" >Subject: [kr-net] ELT >Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:50:01 EDT > >Looking over the installation manual for my ELT. I realize the manual >applies to certified airplanes but there is a reason for that, I'm sure. >Couple of points here: The automatic activation properties state that it is >activated with a velocity change of 2Gs +/- .3 Gs. The mounting tray >installation area called for must be able to support and withstand a 350 >pound force in any direction without tearing or breaking from the aircraft. >As for the antenna installation it calls for a ground plane in a non metal >airplane of a minimum diameter of 36". The manual states that we could use a >metallic coating paint (Spraylat Series 559) or aluminum foil with a doubler >plate. > >My questions, and I realize that weight and balance comes into play here, >where is everyone else mounting there units to achieve the non tearing >standard and has anyone used Spraylat Series 559 for a ground plane? > >For those of you interested, my unit is the popular Ameri-King 450. The unit >comes complete with antennas and cables. It also uses 6 standard dated >(important) Duracell "D" batteries. It also has a portable antenna with a >mic plug so that you can talk with SAR if in fact you do go down in rough >terrain. Great deal for the price, and you don't have to use those damn >expensive ELT battery packs. > >Dana Overall >1999 KR Gathering host >Richmond, KY >mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanveral/hangar/7085/ > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: richontheroad@hotmail.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net- 17615H@telelists.com > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: WAF From: marmet Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:37:17 -0400 X-Message-Number: 5 Thank you very much for the info... JC Dean Collette wrote: > WAF - stands for Wing Attach Fitting. > > In the case of the KR there are 32 of them. > > The thing about the WAFs is that despite their simple appearance, there is > more then meets the eye. If you would like to see a very good discussion > about these important pieces go to http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/waf.htm > This is a reprint of Don Reid's excellent article which was published in the > KR Newsletter a couple of years ago. > > Dean Collette Milwaukee, Wisconsin > mailto:drdean@execpc.com > Web Page at http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/home.htm > > -----Original Message----- > From: marmet > To: KR-net users group > Date: Monday, April 19, 1999 4:38 PM > Subject: [kr-net] Re: WAF > > >Pardon my ignorance, I'm fairly new to this list, but what is the > >"WAF" you are talking asbout > >JC, Quebec Canada > > > > > >--- > >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: drdean@execpc.com > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: marmet2@videotron.ca > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: ELT From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:34:01 EDT X-Message-Number: 6 In a message dated 4/20/99 8:57:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, donreid@erols.com writes: << You mentioned 350 pounds which is equivalent to a very significant G force. The limit of survivabilty is on the order of 20 to 40 G's. 350 pounds on an ELT is more like 100. >> The 100G's is exactly what the manual calls for. I guess that is so they know where to look for the body. As far as mounting it behind the forward spar (RP) that is the location of my cables and they want the antenna as close to the unit as possible. I'm thinking like Don says, behind the aft center spar seems like about the only place. If anyone has another idea please post it. Spraylat Series 559 ground plane paint??? Dana Overall 1999 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Why can't we all just get along? From: "Jim Whiteshield" Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 06:36:36 -0800 X-Message-Number: 7 An Excellent suggestion, and one which I support. I also will donate to this cause, if that's appropriate. :) What a GOOD idea!! -- On Mon, 19 Apr 1999 06:35:36 Oscar Zuniga wrote: >Howdy, netters > >I got an email from Dave Moore, with an excellent suggestion. Take a >look: > >>I was able to spend two days at S & F, unfortunately only >>two KR's showed for the fly-in, Tom Crawford and Dave Blucher(?) >>Tom's KR2 is nicer than the pictures in Sport Aviation made it >>out to be, and Dave's 2s is very nice also. >>Anyway, Jeanette was there in a small booth, I walked over to >>say Hi! and show off our KRNet polo shirt. She really liked the >>logo and said "Hey where's mine". >>Now Oscar I don't know how you feel about RR, but Jeanette is >>having a B-day in July and I thought it would be a nice gesture >>to send her a KRNet polo shirt, as a way of saying thanks. > >Dave offered to buy it so we (KRNet) can give it to her, but I'll be >glad to make the donation. Just picture this: Oshkosh '99, the >Rand-Robinson booth, and there's Jeanette Rand wearing a KRNet shirt! > I think it's good PR, and will only help to improve relations with >them. We're gonna do it... > >Oscar Zuniga >Medford, Oregon >website at http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/ > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: JIM7@hotbot.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Jeanette's birthday, was: Why can't we all just get along? From: Steven Eberhart Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:03:52 -0500 (CDT) X-Message-Number: 8 On Tue, 20 Apr 1999, Jim Whiteshield wrote: > An Excellent suggestion, and one which I support. I also will donate to this cause, if that's appropriate. > :) > What a GOOD idea!! [snip] > >>Anyway, Jeanette was there in a small booth, I walked over to > >>say Hi! and show off our KRNet polo shirt. She really liked the > >>logo and said "Hey where's mine". I just sent Oscar $10 for the Jeanette birthday gift fund. THis is going a little far out but I had a gold pin custom made for my wife a few years back. THe pin was kinda expensive but well worth it. I will volunteer to make the wax model to have a KRNet logo gold pin made for her birthday if the rest of the money can be donated by KRNet members. I will get an estimate for having the pin made today and let everyone know what the cost will be. My check is already in the mail to Oscar to get this off the ground. Since I have already volunteered Oscar to be the official collection agent for this project he can't decline :-) I would rather not have all of the checks coming to me. I have a hard enough time keeping track of everything as it is. Naturally, after the mold is made we can have additional pins made from either silver of gold. On another topic. During a recent conversation with Jeanette, we talked about the new airfoils that were designed by the university of Illinois for the KR. She was very supportive of the project and is actually eagerly awaiting Troy Petteway's test flights. She said that she would like nothing more than to have Troy beat all commers in the Sun 'n Fun and Oshkosh air races in his KR-2 with the new wing that was sponsored by KRNet. Steve Eberhart ------------------------------------- http://www.newtech.com/nlf http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: ELT From: Mike Mims Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:01:17 -0700 X-Message-Number: 9 KR2616TJ@aol.com wrote: > > Looking over the installation manual for my ELT. I realize the manual applies to certified airplanes but there is a reason for that, I'm sure. Couple of points here: The automatic activation properties state that it is activated with a velocity change of 2Gs +/- .3 Gs.>>> 100Gs!! This is obviously overkill! If 2 Gs will trigger it and 20Gs will kill most of us I would think somewhere in between would be good enough as far as mounting the darn thing. I would think a piece of 1/4 inch ply floxed to the 5/8s spruce vertical members (maybe an extra 5/8s piece added where needed) on the fuselage sides would be more than adequate. Somewhere just behind the seats or on the passenger side by the instrument panel would be fine. Easy access would be nice so you can turn it off after a less than perfect landing. :o) -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo CA Give Blood, Play Hockey! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: I Posa de question From: "caryh" Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:35:14 -0400 X-Message-Number: 10 Oops sorry. I didn't look at the address line. Hope you all forgive the error of sending multiple copies to the net. - Cary - Reply to caryh@home.com Web http://members.home.net/caryh KR2 http://members.home.net/caryh/kr-2.htm Ottawa Ontario Canada ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: A definite POSAbility From: "caryh" Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:51:47 -0400 X-Message-Number: 11 Hey neat! They mail server killed all the trash I sent to the net. Great stuff. Makes up for my being a dummy. I emailed a copy of the POSA document to those who emailed me directly, including those who couldn't connect to my balky ftp server. Anyone else want a copy? 500k pdf file. - Cary - Reply to caryh@home.com Web http://members.home.net/caryh KR2 http://members.home.net/caryh/kr-2.htm Ottawa Ontario Canada ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: A definite POSAbility From: David Moore Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:04:39 +0000 X-Message-Number: 12 Yeah Cary thanks, I'd like one. Dave Moore At 09:51 PM 4/20/99 -0400, you wrote: >Hey neat! They mail server killed all the trash I sent to the net. Great >stuff. Makes up for my being a dummy. > >I emailed a copy of the POSA document to those who emailed me directly, >including those who couldn't connect to my balky ftp server. > >Anyone else want a copy? 500k pdf file. > >- Cary - > >Reply to caryh@home.com >Web http://members.home.net/caryh >KR2 http://members.home.net/caryh/kr-2.htm >Ottawa Ontario Canada > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: dgmoore1@gte.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > David G. Moore mailto:dgmoore1@gte.net Henderson, Nevada ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Wings & kr2-s Pendant From: Warron Gray Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:25:29 -0400 X-Message-Number: 13 I see that Ross will be posting the pictures of the wings and pendants which I appreciate. If any of you kr'ers are interested in the wings or pendant contact me via e-mail at warrong@bellsouth.net. They are in sterling silver and if you have any money left over(ha) from you project i can make them in gold too. Warron ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: A definite POSAbility From: RFG842@aol.com Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:20:11 EDT X-Message-Number: 14 Does anyone have any experience with Aeropoxy?? I was useing Epolite and Wicks stopped carrying it, so they shipped me Aeropoxy and I made my header tank out of it. They tole me that they did not know if it was ok for auto gas but would be ok for aviation gas. I saw some references to Aeropoxy on the net and I'm beginning to get a little worried. Also am about to start my stub wing tanks so dont want to creat more problems. Tnks Bob ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: A definite POSAbility From: Mike Mims Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 20:47:16 -0700 X-Message-Number: 15 RFG842@aol.com wrote: > > Does anyone have any experience with Aeropoxy?? > > I was useing Epolite and Wicks stopped carrying it, so they shipped me Aeropoxy and I made my header tank out of it. They tole me that they did not know if it was ok for auto gas but would be ok for aviation gas. > I used Aeropoxy for a little while. I know that some guys have had problems with autofuel and Aeropoxy at Chino and the factory says its not fuel proof at all. I tested some Aeropoxy strips for 6 months in 100LL and the fuel did not cloud nor did the piece become soft. I did not test it in autofuel because I never considered burning it in my plane. Its no cheaper than 100LL in California so it makes no sense anyway, besides I am not much on autofuel in airplanes. It seems to be nothing but a pain in the butt! I made my tanks out of EZ-poxy and tested strips of it in 100LL and 91 Autofuel. Nothing happened in 6 months time. Out of all the Epoxies I have used Aeropoxy is the only one that caused me to have physical problems. Mostly really BAD headaches and messed up vision the day after. My opinion is send it back and get yourself some EZpoxy! :o) -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo CA Give Blood, Play Hockey! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Epoxies-was something else From: "Dean Collette" Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:16:28 -0500 X-Message-Number: 16 Mike Mims wrote; >Out of all the Epoxies I >have used Aeropoxy is the only one that caused me to have physical >problems. Mostly really BAD headaches and messed up vision the day >after. My opinion is send it back and get yourself some EZpoxy! :o) > Mike - it's just 'cause you're a "sensitive" guy. I have used Aeropoxy on everything that I have done so far (and I have done some BIG lay-ups), and have had no problems whatsoever. I have found this stuff to be very easy to work with - wets out the cloth nicely, predictable cure, and no terrible smell. I have also heard very good things about EZpoxy, and wouldn't have any problems using that if I couldn't get Aeropoxy. But, I wouldn't use it in the fuel tanks. This is the one area that I will probably use Vinyl Ester Resin in. The manufacturers actually advocate VEs use in these areas. Dean Collette Milwaukee, Wisconsin mailto:drdean@execpc.com Web Page at http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/home.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Epoxies-was something else From: Mike Mims Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:15:46 -0700 X-Message-Number: 17 Dean Collette wrote: > Mike - it's just 'cause you're a "sensitive" guy. > > I have used Aeropoxy on everything that I have done so far (and I have done some BIG lay-ups), and have had no problems whatsoever.>>> Maybe it was the cheap beer I was drinking while I was working with Aeropoxy? :o) > But, I wouldn't use it in the fuel tanks. >>>>> This was the primary reason I went back to EZ-poxy, I know its fuel proof and it wets out oh so nice! -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo CA Give Blood, Play Hockey! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com