From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Sunday, May 02, 1999 12:36 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: May 01, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Saturday, May 01, 1999. 1. Two of 2. Carbon fiber. 3. Re: suspension from "krnet" 4. RE: Carbon fiber. 5. Re: wing repair by Ken Rand 6. Re: GPS 7. Alright Already 8. Re: Homemade strobes and such 9. KR in Sport Aviation 10. Re: KR in Sport Aviation 11. lights? 12. Re: KR in Sport Aviation 13. Re: suspension from "krnet" 14. Re: KR in Sport Aviation 15. Re: Engine choice dilemma 16. Re: KR in Sport Aviation 17. FAQ Updates 18. Re: Homemade strobes and such 19. Re: KR in Sport Aviation 20. Re: Engine choice dilemma 21. Re: Engine choice dilemma 22. Re: Engine choice dilemma 23. Just what the doctor ordered. 24. project update 25. Canopy 26. bolt torque 27. Re: Canopy 28. interesting response from first KR1 builder 29. Re: Canopy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Two of From: "fly" Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 19:28:14 +1200 X-Message-Number: 1 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01BE9408.C1E349A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I appear to be getting two of every message posted. Is something wrong = with the KRnet or is it my end. Somewhat confused..........David Stuart = fly@paradise.net.nz ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01BE9408.C1E349A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I appear to be getting two of every = message posted.=20 Is something wrong with the KRnet or is it my end. Somewhat=20 confused..........David Stuart =20 fly@paradise.net.nz

------=_NextPart_000_0049_01BE9408.C1E349A0-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Carbon fiber. From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 07:06:18 EDT X-Message-Number: 2 In a message dated 4/30/99 7:23:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dgmoore1@gte.net writes: << Hey Windy, What type of epoxy are you using to get the good wetting out on the carbon fibre? Dave Moore >> I'm using a different epoxy resin than everyone else. It is a resin I was put onto by a Glasair builder (he built 3). Let's see what the ol KRNet can drum up. Mark.........what did you use on your carbon fiber instrument panel? (it's neat guys). Can we hear it from the audience.........Some of you experienced carbon fiber guys, any tricks of the trade???? Dana Overall 1999 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: suspension from "krnet" From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 07:54:38 -0400 X-Message-Number: 3 At 11:07 PM 4/30/99 -0700, you wrote: >Dene Collett wrote: >> >> I think a suspension from "krnet" for a period 0f time(depending on the severity of the offence) should be introduced, how do you all feel about the idea? >>>> > >Ok lets see I may be able to help here, let me think back to last weeks >hockey game,........ > >Ok the penalties (suspensions) could be something like... -snip- Mike, I agree totally. Come on folks, this is an internet email forum, after all. People from all over the world read it. It's only possible to continue by leaving your personal biases/sensitivities in another part of your world when you set down to read any internet forum. I've been involved in email type forums for many years, In IBM, in Fidonet, and now the internet. The most interesting forums for me were the ones with the least forum owner management. (And the most technical content). Personalities are best dealt with in private email, or by a phone call. You would be surprised at how easy it is to clear up misunderstandings with a voice to voice contact. Based on my past experience, the KRnet forum has been the best of the best and I wouldn't want to change any part of it. I sincerely hope that the people who have left because of hurt feelings will come back. For the most part, they are the ones doing leading edge work here and are greatly missed. I personally believe that the information here and on the KR builder's web pages will literaly save me several hundred hours of work when I start building my KR. Thanks for listening, WD (end of this thread for me) -------------------------------------------- Wayne DeLisle Sr. Charlotte, North Carolina USA mailto:dodger@coincidental.net http://angst.accessnode.net/~dodger -------------------------------------------- Project Viking "Daring to venture forward from the Dark Ages" online FAQ/manual at http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Carbon fiber. From: "Mark Langford" Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 07:39:47 -0500 X-Message-Number: 4 > What type of epoxy are you using to get the good wetting out on > the carbon > fibre? I use Aeropoxy, and it wets out carbon fiber just fine. It made me wonder what the fuss was all about. I used it on my stub wings (to strengthen the wing walk and fuel tank, flaps and ailerons to make them stiff and light, and will cover my wings with it to save weight. Maybe I should mention that the method I use almost guarantees that whatever fabric I use will be fully wet out. I cut a piece of 4 mil plastic (from Home Depot or similar) to the shape of the part I'm glassing (plus an inch or two all around) and lay the carbon down on it. Pour epoxy on it and smooth it around with a squeegee until it's all wet, but there's no excess. Squeegee any excess away (but I never have any excess, cause I keep adding just enough here and there to wet it out fully) and take the plastic and carbon sandwich over to the part and lay it on top. Squeegee thru the plastic to force the carbon into intimate contact with the foam (which as been microed with slurry about 10 minutes before) and peel the plastic away. Squeegee the fabric again to smooth everything out. If you had dry spots at this point, they're certainly not on the underside, but are on top, and you could wet them out further. Like I said though, I've never seen a dry spot at this point either. You end up putting on exactly as much epoxy as you needed, and no more. I think my "Forward (tankless) deck" on my web page at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kmarkl.html shows pictures of how I usually do this... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: wing repair by Ken Rand From: Ron Freiberger Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 08:58:07 -0500 X-Message-Number: 5 I saw Ken repair his wing... He pushed stuff back in with some epoxy to make it slide, and then Glassed over it. I had the impression KR didn't sand much of anything. But, It was quick. -----Original Message----- From: bounce-kr-net-19348@telelists.com [mailto:bounce-kr-net-19348@telelists.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mims Sent: Thursday, April 29, 1999 9:41 PM To: KR-net users group Subject: [kr-net] Re: wing repair David McKelvey wrote: > > Has anyone had the pleasure of repairing an airplane > that's had the gear pushed thru the wings? How involved > a repair is it? Are there any structural probs associated > with this phenom? > There was an article in an old copy of SA magazine. It seems that Ken did this very thing at Osh one year. The article showed him repairing the damage. Looks to me like all he did was glue in some more foam, sand it to the right contour, apply a layer or two od dynel fabric and he was done. Depending on the severity of the hole I don't think you have to much to worry about structurally. Just fix it! :o) -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Ailerons almost done! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo CA Give Blood, Play Hockey! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: ronald.freiberger@cwix.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: GPS From: "R.W. Moore" Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 09:50:39 -0400 X-Message-Number: 6 Call Bill Wood @ Ace Aircraft, Inc. They have a complete radio shop and they are Garmen dealers. 706-886-6341 They may be able to help. R. W. Moore -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Muse To: KR-net users group Date: Friday, April 30, 1999 11:56 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: GPS >Does anyone know how I can upgrade my GPS Database? I have a Garmin 95XL >with a moving map and I need to upgrade the database. I called a local >repair location and they wanted $240, too much. > >I thought you could upgrade it yourself with the correct software and a PC. >Does anyone have the answer to my problem? Have you ever upgraded your GPS? > > Bobby Muse > mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com > Wimberly, TX > > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rwmoore@alltel.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Alright Already From: "Dean Collette" Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 09:10:56 -0500 X-Message-Number: 7 Netters, During the last three days I have received a little over 90 email messages regarding my leaving KRNet. Virtually all of these messages expressed thanks for my help in the past, and regret that I was leaving. A few even begged me to come back (yes, it was pathetic, even I was gagging.) Not one flame. O.K., I'm back. I always try to respond to all personal email - I figure if somebody was kind enough to sit down a write a note to me, then the least I can do is respond, but with the flood of recent email, I can't possibly do that. So, to all of you that wrote - Thanks, I got the message. Dean Collette Milwaukee, Wisconsin mailto:drdean@execpc.com Web Page at http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/home.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Homemade strobes and such From: Tom Crawford Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 10:54:53 -0700 X-Message-Number: 8 Mike Mims wrote: > > "R.W. Moore" wrote: > > > > J. C. Whitney has a strobe light about $29.95 > > All this talk about home made strobes and things reminds me of what two > of my hanger mates once told me. If your gonna install nav and strobe > lights you may as well use the legal kind otherwise they will not be > approved when your aircraft is inspected. This may differ from area to > area but the guys who inspect them at Chino want to see real airplane > strobes and nav lights. This way they (the inspector) know they produce > the proper intensity. If you install a homemade system its just extra > weight because its not gonna get you legal for night flight. Maybe Jeff > Scott can shed a little light (ha ha) on this since it was only a year > ago or so when he had his inspection? > > -- > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > Micheal Mims > Ailerons almost done! > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > Aliso Viejo CA > Give Blood, Play Hockey! > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > When my plane was inspected, I asked him if I was "certified" for night flying. I spent over $600.00 on new Whelens. He barely looked at the lights, and said, "If you think you are legal, go ahead and fly at night. If you were not legal and something happens, then it is an issue." By the way, he also said that the upswept wing tips on the Deihl wings probably obstruct the view of the rear position lites enough to be illegal. (On the all in one Whelens on the wingtips.) Tom Crawford toys@atlantic.net NOTE NEW ADDRESS Gainesville, FL N262TC ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KR in Sport Aviation From: Donald Reid Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 11:38:02 -0400 X-Message-Number: 9 I have been working off and on (mostly off) to scan the articles from Sport Aviation that relate to the KR. I have loaded up the first six, from '73 through '75. I will leave them on my web site for a few weeks, and then replace them with more. I have to be concerned with ISP space since I am not willing to pay extra. If anyone wants to download and copy somewhere else, please feel free. The address is http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_SA.htm -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR in Sport Aviation From: Mike Mims Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 09:02:29 -0700 X-Message-Number: 10 Donald Reid wrote: > > The address is > http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_SA.htm > -- Don and others, I copied the files to my personal web server and they should be available to all during times that my PC is up and running. If you find Dons site too busy you can try: http://24.5.34.97/kr_SA.htm Only 5 users are allowed on my site at a time so it may become busy also. Once my plane is finished and I have a collection of web material I plan to burn it all to CD and offer it to KRnet members for a small fee. Should be a good resource for future builders. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Ailerons almost done! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo CA Give Blood, Play Hockey! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: lights? From: Mike Mims Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 09:23:21 -0700 X-Message-Number: 11 Check out these lights http://www.terf.com/terflight.htm -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Ailerons almost done! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo CA Give Blood, Play Hockey! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR in Sport Aviation From: Kimball Anderson Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 12:34:12 -0400 X-Message-Number: 12 Does anyone know anything about the legalities of posting articles from a commercial publication like these to something like our FAQ for the sake of reference? I can't see where it would be a problem, as the FAQ isn't a commercial enterprise, but you never know. Any copyright infringement problems that anyone is aware of? Kimball Anderson isleno@hargray.com -----Original Message----- From: Donald Reid To: KR-net users group Date: Saturday, May 01, 1999 11:38 AM Subject: [kr-net] KR in Sport Aviation >I have been working off and on (mostly off) to scan the articles from >Sport Aviation that relate to the KR. I have loaded up the first six, >from '73 through '75. I will leave them on my web site for a few weeks, >and then replace them with more. I have to be concerned with ISP space >since I am not willing to pay extra. If anyone wants to download and >copy somewhere else, please feel free. > >The address is >http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_SA.htm >-- >Don Reid >Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com > KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm > Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: isleno@hargray.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: suspension from "krnet" From: David Moore Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 09:53:04 +0000 X-Message-Number: 13 My God Mike, In one game? You really should work on your people skills.;) Dave Moore >Ok lets see I may be able to help here, let me think back to last weeks >hockey game,........ > >Ok the penalties (suspensions) could be something like... > >2 week minor >4 week major >2 month game misconduct (2 month suspension but could be shortened upon >further review) >Game Misconduct Match Penalty (your out of here perminatly) > > >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >Ailerons almost done! >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >Aliso Viejo CA >Give Blood, Play Hockey! >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: dgmoore1@gte.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > David G. Moore mailto:dgmoore1@gte.net Henderson, Nevada ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR in Sport Aviation From: David Moore Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 10:55:58 +0000 X-Message-Number: 14 Don, Thank you so much, I remember some of these articles. It is really nice to see how far we have come (Dynel to Carbon Fibre). In one article Ken Rand changed the elevator and rudder hinges on the KR1 from Aluminum to 4130 due to wear in the pivot area. I guess that never made it to the plans update. Dave Moore At 11:38 AM 5/1/99 -0400, you wrote: >I have been working off and on (mostly off) to scan the articles from >Sport Aviation that relate to the KR. I have loaded up the first six, >from '73 through '75. I will leave them on my web site for a few weeks, >and then replace them with more. I have to be concerned with ISP space >since I am not willing to pay extra. If anyone wants to download and >copy somewhere else, please feel free. > >The address is >http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_SA.htm >-- >Don Reid >Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com > KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm > Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: dgmoore1@gte.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > David G. Moore mailto:dgmoore1@gte.net Henderson, Nevada ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Engine choice dilemma From: GREG S MARTIN Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 12:05:20 -0700 X-Message-Number: 15 All this talk about engines and prices has me happy I went with the Honda GoldWing GL1200. It has the PSRU already in the engine. So when the engines turning 6200 rpm. Your turning the prop through 2nd gear which results in about 3300 rpm. And the torque is over 240 ft/lb. The weight after you dress down the engine for aircraft use is about 228# depending on the radiator used. I bought my engine for $750 and the material & work for putting the prop hub extention and thrust bearing on will cost about $250. I figure that by the time I'm done. I should have about $2000 total in the engine. And the reliability of this engine by all accounts (I have talk to over 20 GoldWing owners) found this to be a very smooth and powerful engine. About 98 hp and real good torque. To me, that's a good price. Now, compare this to a Soob and PSRU combo and I believe I have a little better deal. And I thiink the torque is a little better but some one may have to inform me if this is an incorrect statement. I would say that finding a GL1200 GoldWing motor is real easy. I would think the prices are the same or lower depending on where you live. If anyone wants more information, contact me direct. Greg Martin Bakersfield, CA On Fri, 30 Apr 1999 23:40:16 -0700 jscott.pilot@juno.com writes: > > >On Fri, 30 Apr 1999 17:25:30 -0700 Mike Mims >writes: >>Richard Parker wrote: >>> >>> Start building your fuselage now and you'll probably change your >>mind 2 or three times before you even need to think about a >>motor.>>>>> >> >>This is the best advice I have seen so far. Build your airplane and >when >>it comes time that you really need the engine then start worrying >about >>it. >> >>I noticed that you mentioned a used O-200 is in the "stupid price >>range". Depending on the engine you select you should plan on >spending >>about $4k to $5k minimum. I know this sounds like a lot but no >matter >>what engine you decided on its gonna cost you somewhere in this >>neighborhood, if not more. If your under the impression that it will >be >>less you are in for a surprise. A friend of mine just spent $2k on a >VW >>upgrade so if you think you can build a entire motor for less, it >just >>aint gona happen. >- >>zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >>Micheal Mims > >I wasn't going to mention anything since you had apparently already >decided against a Continental, but the point above is absolutely >right. I was vacillating between VW, Soob or A-65 Continental turned >up to 75hp, when about 6 months before I needed it a friend opted to >install a larger eingine while rebuilding his plane. I picked up a >1500 hour C-85 out of a plane that I had been routinely flying for >$2500, including all accessories ready to bolt on and fly. I doubt >that you can build an airworthy engine of any type for that. > >A typical used O-200 is gonna cost you 6 - 7K. If you watch and wait >while you build your airframe, the right engine will come along. > >Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM >mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com >See N1213w construction and first flight at >http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm > >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get >completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] --- You are currently >subscribed to kr-net as: idrawtobuild@juno.com To unsubscribe send a >blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR in Sport Aviation From: GREG S MARTIN Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 12:33:14 -0700 X-Message-Number: 16 Yes, always get permission and for this, it should be very easy. I hold a few copy writes my self and for this type of use I would say yes. Greg Martin Bakersfield, CA On Sat, 01 May 1999 12:34:12 -0400 Kimball Anderson writes: >Does anyone know anything about the legalities of posting articles >from a >commercial publication like these to something like our FAQ for the >sake of >reference? I can't see where it would be a problem, as the FAQ isn't >a >commercial enterprise, but you never know. Any copyright >infringement >problems that anyone is aware of? > >Kimball Anderson >isleno@hargray.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: Donald Reid >To: KR-net users group >Date: Saturday, May 01, 1999 11:38 AM >Subject: [kr-net] KR in Sport Aviation > > >>I have been working off and on (mostly off) to scan the articles >from >>Sport Aviation that relate to the KR. I have loaded up the first >six, >>from '73 through '75. I will leave them on my web site for a few >weeks, >>and then replace them with more. I have to be concerned with ISP >space >>since I am not willing to pay extra. If anyone wants to download >and >>copy somewhere else, please feel free. >> >>The address is >>http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_SA.htm >>-- >>Don Reid >>Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com >> KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm >> Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html >> >>--- >>You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: isleno@hargray.com >>To unsubscribe send a blank email to >leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com >> > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: idrawtobuild@juno.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: FAQ Updates From: Kimball Anderson Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 17:12:02 -0400 X-Message-Number: 17 Posted simultaneously to the KRNet and the Project Viking mailing lists . . . NEW THIS WEEK on the KRNet FAQ/Online Manual: "Is Building an Airplane Hazardous To Your Health?" -- an article by Dr. Dean Collette. This article explores health concerns related to working with various composite materials during the construction of an aircraft. A must-read for ANYONE considering working with composite materials. Even if you know the hazards, it's good to know why the hazards exist. (For anyone who may have found and read the article before now, it has been moved from the "Work Area" section to the "Materials" section.) Check it out! "How I Built the Cowling for my KR2S" -- Part 1 of an article contributed by Austin Clark detailing how he is currently hand-fabricating a cowling for his KR2S. If you've never seen how a fiberglass aircraft cowling is made, this is the place to look. Located under "Forward Deck, Rear Deck, Canopy, Cowl." Thanks, Austin, and we look forward to future installments. Updated: "Ron Eason's Integrated Cowl and Cabin Heat Manifold" -- it was announced earlier that Ron's shop drawings were available on the FAQ/Manual. Since that time, the .jpegs have been trimmed to reduce their size somewhat, and, more importantly, to allow the drawings to be printed on a single page. Located under "Powerplants and Fuel Systems." SOON TO COME: *Rear Spar Construction (this is gonna be cool!) *Making Aluminum Parts; or, Machining for the Non-Machinist with No Machining Tools (can't wait!) *KRNetiquette -- a collection of rules and all-around good ideas for all KRNet members, both new and old. Visit the KRNet FAQ at http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking/ Remember, if you're a builder past or present, or are currently flying a KR, you've got something to share. Everyone is welcome to contribute to the FAQ. See y'all later, Kimball Anderson isleno@hargray.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Homemade strobes and such From: "Joann Hill" Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 15:41:21 -0700 X-Message-Number: 18 Such was the case with my last homebuilt. I did not even HAVE lights and the inspector didn't restrict me from night vfr. Joann Hill N98KF, New Mexico http://www.swcp.com/~jhill >When my plane was inspected, I asked him if I was "certified" for night >flying. I spent over $600.00 on new Whelens. He barely looked at the >lights, and said, "If you think you are legal, go ahead and fly at >night. If you were not legal and something happens, then it is an >issue." >Tom Crawford >toys@atlantic.net NOTE NEW ADDRESS >Gainesville, FL >N262TC ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR in Sport Aviation From: EveninBrz@aol.com Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 18:06:25 EDT X-Message-Number: 19 In a message dated 5/1/1999 9:04:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time, mikemims@home.com writes: << Once my plane is finished and I have a collection of web material I plan to burn it all to CD and offer it to KRnet members for a small fee. Should be a good resource for future builders >> I would very much be intrested in getting that CD when you get it made, please keep me in mind. Larry Shull EveninBrz@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Engine choice dilemma From: EveninBrz@aol.com Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 18:16:45 EDT X-Message-Number: 20 In a message dated 5/1/1999 12:37:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, idrawtobuild@juno.com writes: << About 98 hp and real good torque. >> I think that you are a little high on the HP figure. I have had a couple of the 1200 GoldWings, have a 1500- 6 cy now. Honda doesn't publish HP figures for them, that i know of, but some of the magazines have put them on a chassis dyno and the figures tha I remember for them was more like 80 to 85 hp. They are a very reliable engine, I put 50,000 miles on one of them and 80,000 miles on another one with no problems at all. Larry Shull EveninBrz@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Engine choice dilemma From: SClay10106@aol.com Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 20:15:08 EDT X-Message-Number: 21 Did u say you have this engine in a kr1? If so and it is complete id like to know what kind of speeds your getting. or anyone else with a kr1 complete with a vw 2180 what kind of speeds are you getting? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Engine choice dilemma From: Mike Mims Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 18:15:22 -0700 X-Message-Number: 22 SClay10106@aol.com wrote: > > Did u say you have this engine in a kr1? If so and it is complete id like to > know what kind of speeds your getting. or anyone else with a kr1 complete > with a vw 2180 what kind of speeds are you getting? There is a KR1 buzzing around the US with a 2400cc type four in it. Its very fast! I am sure it will do 200mph. Maybe someone on the list remembers what it will do. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Ailerons almost done! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo CA Give Blood, Play Hockey! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Just what the doctor ordered. From: HAshraf@aol.com Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 21:33:28 EDT X-Message-Number: 23 In a message dated 99-05-01 01:30:42 EDT, you write: << Last week in preparation to mount the firewall I hooked up my brakes, filled them with fluid and adjusted the linkage. The brakes work great with about 1/2 travel before they get firm. Tomorrow I plant clean up the area forward of the main spar (inside the fuselage) and hook up all the fuel lines from the aux tanks. Then time permitting I will mount the firewall. Weather permitting I will apply the last layer of glass to the ailerons. Aint this fun? :o) >> Thanks Mike. This is just what the list needs. A double dose of progress reports. Hopefully I would spend a day tomorrow at the hangar and will have something to report. Haris Building Spars, Elevator and finishing the boat ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: project update From: John Bryhan Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 19:55:12 -0600 X-Message-Number: 24 Maybe it's time to post an update to my project too. I pretty much finished up the cowling (even have camlocks installed) just some filling and sanding left on it. So, last weekend I re-mounted all my instruments in the panel - then set the panel on a stool and wired it all up. This was a temporary hookup. I wanted to get an idea of how it'll connect up. I already had the battery installed and #4 wire run from plus to a battery relay to starter and the neg to engine block. I hooked up the master switch to the battery relay and a satisfying 'clunk' is heard when I flip the switch. I hooked up the key/starter switch and when it's turned the starter spins the engine. I hooked up the tach and the oil pressure/oil temp/water temp/fuel pressure and they all worked except the water temp, I have a bad sensor on it - replacement is on the way. It's pretty cool to start up the engine with a key and see the instruments do stuff without jumper cables!. Today things didn't go so good. I wanted to see why the alternator wasn't charging and ran into some weird stuff. After getting it started and finding the wiring problem on the alternator hookup, I couldn't turn it off! it was idling along and killing the master didn't kill the engine. In desperation I actually dis-connected the hot wire on the master relay and - it STILL wouldn't stop! I finally killed it with air starvation. Problem is I had the ECU for fuel injection wired directly to battery and it was supplying the 12v for everything thru that connection?!! Ah well, time to pull out the wiring diagrams. I don't really think the ECU needs power all the time like in a car. I'll probably just wire the power to the computer to the master switch. more later. John Bryhan - Los Alamos NM jeb@thuntek.net http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Canopy From: Bruce Gomm Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 21:55:51 -0500 X-Message-Number: 25 I am thinking about a different canopy/ rear deck setup and wanted to get some opinions on my idea. I would like to have a full bubble canopy with a low flat rear deck. I have a standard KR2 canopy that I would like to cut for use as a front windshield attached to a removable front deck. I am then thinking about purchasing a Dragonfly canopy and turning it around and using it for a rear sliding bubble. Anybody see any problems with this idea? I have seen a couple of pictures with KR's with flat rear decks, more like an RV, but I am concerned about aerodynamic effects of this change. What is the idea and/or benefits of the high sloping rear deck of the KR? Thanks for any ideas. Bruce Gomm brucegomm@sprintmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: bolt torque From: mike cochran Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 23:06:52 -0400 X-Message-Number: 26 Can some tell me how much torque the bolts between the engine case and diehl case. Also can I drill the bottom two threaded engine case for helicoils. Thanks Mike Cochran ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Canopy From: Mike Mims Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 20:00:35 -0700 X-Message-Number: 27 Bruce Gomm wrote: > > I am then thinking about purchasing a Dragonfly canopy and > turning it around and using it for a rear sliding bubble. > Anybody see any problems with this idea?>>>>>> I came extremely close to doing the same thing until I did a little research. The aerodynamic drag is considerably more with a bubble type canopy like the T-18. In Kent Phasers book he gained over 15 mph by switching to a "fast-back" style t-deck much like the stock KR2. Also notice the Harmon Rockets remove the bubble and go with the "fast-back" t-deck. There is a C-85 powered KR with the T-18 style canopy and he feels his airplane is slower because of it. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Ailerons almost done! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo CA Give Blood, Play Hockey! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: interesting response from first KR1 builder From: Mike Mims Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 20:43:31 -0700 X-Message-Number: 28 Fred Keller said "The plans originally called for a 5� angle of incidence but my plane was built using 3�. After flight tests. I believe that a 1 1/2� angle would have been better. Those little wings have a great amount of lift. If the incidence is too much, one will find himself flying with a nose down attitude" zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Ailerons almost done! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo CA Give Blood, Play Hockey! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Canopy From: David Moore Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 22:32:12 +0000 X-Message-Number: 29 I remember seeing a KR2 over at Corona, Calif. airport with a full bubble canopy, flat turtle deck. He said he took two standard KR2 canopies made a windshield and put the other one on backwards. Maybe Jeanette can remember his name. Dave Moore At 08:00 PM 5/1/99 -0700, you wrote: >Bruce Gomm wrote: >> >> I am then thinking about purchasing a Dragonfly canopy and >> turning it around and using it for a rear sliding bubble. >> Anybody see any problems with this idea?>>>>>> > > >I came extremely close to doing the same thing until I did a little >research. The aerodynamic drag is considerably more with a bubble type >canopy like the T-18. In Kent Phasers book he gained over 15 mph by >switching to a "fast-back" style t-deck much like the stock KR2. Also >notice the Harmon Rockets remove the bubble and go with the "fast-back" >t-deck. There is a C-85 powered KR with the T-18 style canopy and he >feels his airplane is slower because of it. > > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >Ailerons almost done! >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >Aliso Viejo CA >Give Blood, Play Hockey! >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: dgmoore1@gte.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > David G. Moore mailto:dgmoore1@gte.net Henderson, Nevada --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com