From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 12:30 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: May 03, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Monday, May 03, 1999. 1. VW engine 2. Re: Need more HP? 3. Re: Progress report 4. Re: VW engine 5. FREE 6. Re: Wing problems 7. Re: VW engine 8. Re: VW engine 9. Hinge problem 10. Re: Bike Engine in KR (formerly Engine choice dilemma) 11. FAQ list 12. Corvair: direct hit 13. Loose a Wing 14. Re: Corvair: direct hit 15. Re: Loose a Wing 16. Re: FAQ list 17. Re: Hinge problem 18. Re: Bike Engine in KR (formerly Engine choice dilemma) 19. Re: Corvair: direct hit 20. Re: VW engine 21. Re: VW engine 22. RE: Corvair: direct hit 23. Re: Engine choice dilemma 24. Re: Progress report 25. Re: Engine choice dilemma 26. Re: Corvair: direct hit 27. Re: Engine choice dilemma 28. Re: Love that fiberglass 29. Re: Bike Engine in KR (formerly Engine choice dilemma) 30. Multiple post from "Wynand Koch" 31. Re: Love that fiberglass 32. Re: Wing problems 33. Re: Multiple post from "Wynand Koch" 34. Re: Corvair: direct hit ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: VW engine From: SClay10106@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 03:55:50 EDT X-Message-Number: 1 Does anyone have a kr that is flying by vw power? is this a stock vw engine or does it have mags or dual plugs and ignition. can i pull the one out of my neighbors car and be flying tomorrow or is it more complicated than that ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Need more HP? From: "Richard Parker" Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 02:49:54 PDT X-Message-Number: 2 So are you thinking of getting rid of the Lycasaurus and putting in a supercharged big block? You might want to add a few more peices of spruce for stiffeners RP >From: Mike Mims >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" >To: "KR-net users group" >Subject: [kr-net] Need more HP? >Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 18:58:35 -0700 > >Go check this out! > >http://www.team-38.com/ > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >Ailerons almost done! >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >Aliso Viejo CA >Give Blood, Play Hockey! >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: richontheroad@hotmail.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Progress report From: "Mark Langford" Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 06:10:30 -0500 X-Message-Number: 3 Haris wrote: > Later I found out that the hinges I bought from RR have >about 10 thousandth of an inch misalignment between holes. That is enough to >bind the hinges in my setup. Haris, my RR hinges were the same way. The holes weren't perpendicular to the part of the channel that bolts to the spar, and even the spacing from hole to base from hinge to hinge was different. The cool black anodizing made them look like a million bucks, but they were worthless. I decided I could do better on my pathetic drill press, and I did... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: VW engine From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 07:48:13 EDT X-Message-Number: 4 In a message dated 5/3/99 3:57:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, SClay10106@aol.com writes: << Does anyone have a kr that is flying by vw power? is this a stock vw engine or does it have mags or dual plugs and ignition. can i pull the one out of my neighbors car and be flying tomorrow or is it more complicated than that >> I'll bite on this one. My theory on VW's (yes, I'm a VWub man) is that is was originally designed for road use and if you simply take one out of your neighbors car (without asking?) and put it in your airplane it will seek it's roots and will unexpectedly return you to the road. A VW aero conversion is not a difficult process, see my engine rebuild page. You can fly compu-fire, distributor, mag, single plugs, dual plugs. The 1835 lends itself to simpler construction but with the heavier planes is a little short on kick. It is a reliable engine when converted properly. The horror stories you hear about this engine are from people who "borrowed" the VW from their neighbor and went flying (temporarily). I don't any hesitation at all in flying behind a VW. Dana Overall 1999 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:KR2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: FREE From: donald.norris@natinst.com Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 07:49:05 -0500 X-Message-Number: 5 anyone interrested in a Wicks catalog coupon for $5 off a $50 purchase? first to send me the name and address wins. coupon expires 01/01/00. -Donald 38TF ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Wing problems From: RFG842@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 08:57:50 EDT X-Message-Number: 6 This was just an off comment made by an GADO inspector about tank leakage and structural failure. He passed this on when I called about intermediate inspections for licenseing. My original thought was that he was privy to accident reports that I had no knowledge of. I decided to ask the experts (KR Net) and apparently he's wrong. Mabey he doesn't like home builts or just like anything else -- there are experts and there are experts. Sorry to have worried anyone. Bob ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: VW engine From: RFG842@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 09:21:01 EDT X-Message-Number: 7 I route I took after looking at the options, was to go with a Type 4 Volks, but mine isn't comming very cheap. I bought a running bus engine and took it to a shop with an excellent reputation for building dune buggy engines (been in business for 20 years) and his engines are almost bulletproof. Paid 250.00 for the engine, 2500.00 for the rebuild (everything new except for the block balanced, and dye checked for imperfections), about 2,000.00 to Steve at Great Plains for machining, Diehl acdessory plate, mag, alternator,plugs, harness, Force one hub, exhaust flanges, etc. I still have to buy a carb, intake manifold and exaust stacks so I'll bet I'll have some 6,000 in the engine before I'm ffinished. Power does not come cheap. If I had a little more talent, I'm sure that VW power can be had for a lot less, but power does not come cheap. Stay out of the junkyard, go with the people who have a track record for good product and your backside will last a lot longer. Good luck Bob ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: VW engine From: N71476@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 10:05:18 EDT X-Message-Number: 8 Look in the VW Mags. You can find several places in CA that build VW's for airboats all over the world. They are test run and come with a video of the run in. So you can get it ready to bolt on if you want for in the mid 4,ooo may be the way you want to go if you want a VW. Look at Mark Langford's KR2S Type 4 Engine you can find it at http:/home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kvw.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Hinge problem From: HAshraf@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 11:05:27 EDT X-Message-Number: 9 In a message dated 99-05-03 07:12:14 EDT, you write: << The holes weren't perpendicular to the part of the channel that bolts to the spar, >> That may be the real problem, because the higes moved relatively freely when they were not attached to the spar. Haris ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Bike Engine in KR (formerly Engine choice dilemma) From: Michael Taglieri Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 11:13:53 EDT X-Message-Number: 10 >>All this talk about engines and prices has me happy I went with the Honda >>GoldWing GL1200. It has the PSRU already in the engine. So when the >>engines turning 6200 rpm. Your turning the prop through 2nd gear which >>results in about 3300 rpm. And the torque is over 240 ft/lb. The weight >>after you dress down the engine for aircraft use is about 228# depending >>on the radiator used. I bought my engine for $750 and the material & >>work for putting the prop hub extention and thrust bearing on will cost >>about $250. I figure that by the time I'm done. I should have about >>$2000 total in the engine. And the reliability of this engine by all >>accounts (I have talk to over 20 GoldWing owners) found this to be a very >>smooth and powerful engine. >not to be negative, but how many kr flight hours are on a honda engine - >total and in a KR? This article mentions over and over - price. What about >reliability in aircraft instalations? Is price the only bottom line for an >aircraft engine installation? I didn't originally want to comment on this thread because I'm not building anything at this point, but I do ride a motorcycle that gets the power of one of Steve's VW engines out of an engine hardly bigger than a shoebox. How does it do this? Easy -- bike and car engines are designed to operate at 100% power only for quick bursts and they cruise at very low power levels. If you marked a scale on the throttle of my bike so you could see how much throttle I was using, you'd see something like 25% power at 70 mph+ highway cruise speeds. What does this mean? If you ran my bike on a dyno at full power for 5 minutes, then 70% power for hours on end, it would blow up, and so would any other bike that I know of, but that's what airplane engines do. This is why Steve Bennett and other VW engine modifiers do just the opposite of what hotrod places do in cars -- they beef up the enginr, then LOWER the compression ratio rather than raising it, in order to get reliability. In short, the reliability of a GoldWing engine on a bike has absolutely no correlation with its reliability in an airplane. I see motorcycle engines being used mostly in WWI replicas, which is appropriate: they were designed in an era when engines were not reliable, so they have slow landing speeds and great big wheels, because you'd be doing an emergency landing sooner or later. If you're going to put a motorcycle engine in a KR, you should practice emergency landings on a regular basis, because you're going to make one, and it better be good. Mike Taglieri ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: FAQ list From: Donald Reid Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 12:15:39 -0400 X-Message-Number: 11 I have something for http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking/ but I forgot who it goes too. Please contact off network and I will pass it along. BTW, you may want to add a contact/webmaster to the FAQ page. -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Corvair: direct hit From: "Oscar Zuniga" Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 09:49:26 PDT X-Message-Number: 12 Hey Netters- My first call to wrecking yards hit a '63 Corvair that the guy said was driven in about 4 yrs. ago to the impound lot. He said I could have either the whole car or the engine for $300. Guess where I'll be going after work? ;o) Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon website at http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/ _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Loose a Wing From: David Moore Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 09:50:36 +0000 X-Message-Number: 13 The only KR I heard of loosing a wing was a guy named Wes Evans at Santa Paula, Calif. about 1986 (?). He hit a down line for a high tension power pole while making a low pass down the canyon next to the airport. Sheared the wing and killed him and a passenger. Dave Moore >> FAA around here is telling everybody that KRs are loosing wings because the >>tanks leak and weaken the wing spars. >> >>Thanks for the help. Bob >> >> > >I have never heard of a KR loosing a wing. Doesn't mean it hasn't happened. > > > > Bobby Muse > mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com > Wimberly, TX > > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: dgmoore1@gte.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > David G. Moore mailto:dgmoore1@gte.net Henderson, Nevada ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Corvair: direct hit From: Mark McKinley Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 12:34:05 -0500 X-Message-Number: 14 Oscar, You will probably be better of with a later-model 'vair engine. One after the engine change in 1965. I believe that is the recommendation of the 'vair converters I've talked to. I have found 'vair engines to be abundant in my area (IN) if you have trouble locating a good specimen. Mark Oscar Zuniga wrote: > Hey Netters- > > My first call to wrecking yards hit a '63 Corvair that the guy said was > driven in about 4 yrs. ago to the impound lot. He said I could have either > the whole car or the engine for $300. Guess where I'll be going after work? > ;o) > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, Oregon > website at http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/ > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: mlm@ontario.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Loose a Wing From: "Wynand Koch" Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 19:53:31 +0200 X-Message-Number: 15 Please mail to petro@smartnet.co.za in the future -----Original Message----- From: David Moore To: KR-net users group Date: Monday, May 03, 1999 6:57 PM Subject: [kr-net] Loose a Wing >The only KR I heard of loosing a wing was a guy named Wes Evans at Santa >Paula, Calif. about 1986 (?). He hit a down line for a high tension power >pole while making a low pass down the canyon next to the airport. Sheared >the wing and killed him and a passenger. > >Dave Moore > > >>> FAA around here is telling everybody that KRs are loosing wings because >the >>>tanks leak and weaken the wing spars. >>> >>>Thanks for the help. Bob >>> >>> >> >>I have never heard of a KR loosing a wing. Doesn't mean it hasn't happened. >> >> >> >> Bobby Muse >> mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com >> Wimberly, TX >> >> >> >> >>--- >>You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: dgmoore1@gte.net >>To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com >> >> >David G. Moore >mailto:dgmoore1@gte.net >Henderson, Nevada > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: wynand@smartnet.co.za >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: FAQ list From: "Wynand Koch" Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 19:53:56 +0200 X-Message-Number: 16 Please mail to petro@smartnet.co.za in the future -----Original Message----- From: Donald Reid To: KR-net users group Date: Monday, May 03, 1999 6:19 PM Subject: [kr-net] FAQ list >I have something for http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking/ >but I forgot who it goes too. Please contact off network and I will pass >it along. BTW, you may want to add a contact/webmaster to the FAQ page. >-- >Don Reid >Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com > KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm > Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: wynand@smartnet.co.za >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Hinge problem From: "Wynand Koch" Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 19:54:28 +0200 X-Message-Number: 17 please mail to petro@smartnet.co.za in the future -----Original Message----- From: HAshraf@aol.com To: KR-net users group Date: Monday, May 03, 1999 5:21 PM Subject: [kr-net] Hinge problem >In a message dated 99-05-03 07:12:14 EDT, you write: > ><< The holes weren't perpendicular to the part of the channel that bolts to >the spar, >> > >That may be the real problem, because the higes moved relatively freely when >they were not attached to the spar. > >Haris > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: wynand@smartnet.co.za >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Bike Engine in KR (formerly Engine choice dilemma) From: "Wynand Koch" Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 19:54:56 +0200 X-Message-Number: 18 please mail to petro@smartnet.co.za in the future -----Original Message----- From: Michael Taglieri To: KR-net users group Cc: kr-net@telelists.com Date: Monday, May 03, 1999 5:28 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Bike Engine in KR (formerly Engine choice dilemma) >>>All this talk about engines and prices has me happy I went with the >Honda >>>GoldWing GL1200. It has the PSRU already in the engine. So when the >>>engines turning 6200 rpm. Your turning the prop through 2nd gear which >>>results in about 3300 rpm. And the torque is over 240 ft/lb. The >weight >>>after you dress down the engine for aircraft use is about 228# >depending >>>on the radiator used. I bought my engine for $750 and the material & >>>work for putting the prop hub extention and thrust bearing on will cost >>>about $250. I figure that by the time I'm done. I should have about >>>$2000 total in the engine. And the reliability of this engine by all >>>accounts (I have talk to over 20 GoldWing owners) found this to be a >very >>>smooth and powerful engine. > >>not to be negative, but how many kr flight hours are on a honda engine - >>total and in a KR? This article mentions over and over - price. What >about >>reliability in aircraft instalations? Is price the only bottom line for >an >>aircraft engine installation? > >I didn't originally want to comment on this thread because I'm not >building anything at this point, but I do ride a motorcycle that gets the >power of one of Steve's VW engines out of an engine hardly bigger than a >shoebox. How does it do this? Easy -- bike and car engines are designed >to operate at 100% power only for quick bursts and they cruise at very >low power levels. If you marked a scale on the throttle of my bike so >you could see how much throttle I was using, you'd see something like 25% >power at 70 mph+ highway cruise speeds. > >What does this mean? If you ran my bike on a dyno at full power for 5 >minutes, then 70% power for hours on end, it would blow up, and so would >any other bike that I know of, but that's what airplane engines do. This >is why Steve Bennett and other VW engine modifiers do just the opposite >of what hotrod places do in cars -- they beef up the enginr, then LOWER >the compression ratio rather than raising it, in order to get >reliability. > >In short, the reliability of a GoldWing engine on a bike has absolutely >no correlation with its reliability in an airplane. I see motorcycle >engines being used mostly in WWI replicas, which is appropriate: they >were designed in an era when engines were not reliable, so they have slow >landing speeds and great big wheels, because you'd be doing an emergency >landing sooner or later. If you're going to put a motorcycle engine in a >KR, you should practice emergency landings on a regular basis, because >you're going to make one, and it better be good. > >Mike Taglieri > >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: wynand@smartnet.co.za >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Corvair: direct hit From: "Wynand Koch" Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 19:55:15 +0200 X-Message-Number: 19 please mail to petro@smartnet.co.za in the future -----Original Message----- From: Oscar Zuniga To: KR-net users group Date: Monday, May 03, 1999 6:56 PM Subject: [kr-net] Corvair: direct hit >Hey Netters- > >My first call to wrecking yards hit a '63 Corvair that the guy said was >driven in about 4 yrs. ago to the impound lot. He said I could have either >the whole car or the engine for $300. Guess where I'll be going after work? >;o) > >Oscar Zuniga >Medford, Oregon >website at http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/ > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: wynand@smartnet.co.za >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: VW engine From: "R.W. Moore" Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 14:50:30 -0400 X-Message-Number: 20 VW engines are flying in more airplanes than any other automotive type engine maybe 3-4000 airplanes. R. W. Moore -----Original Message----- From: SClay10106@aol.com To: KR-net users group Date: Monday, May 03, 1999 3:57 AM Subject: [kr-net] VW engine >Does anyone have a kr that is flying by vw power? is this a stock vw engine >or does it have mags or dual plugs and ignition. can i pull the one out of my >neighbors car and be flying tomorrow or is it more complicated than that > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rwmoore@alltel.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: VW engine From: "Mark Langford" Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 13:57:58 -0500 X-Message-Number: 21 >Look in the VW Mags. You can find several places in CA that build VW's for >airboats all over the world. They are test run and come with a video of the >run in. So you can get it ready to bolt on if you want for in the mid 4,ooo >may be the way you want to go if you want a VW. Look at Mark Langford's KR2S >Type 4 Engine you can find it at >http:/home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kvw.html One caution though is that these engines don't have the beefy Force One bearing on the pulley end of the crank, so you'll either have to tear it down and install it yourself, or run the Great Plains rear drive setup (which is something like $1800 for the Type 4, I think) with the coupling off of the flywheel end. But maybe the airboats get away without it somehow, but then they just get towed to shore when the crank breaks. I'll either make my own rear drive shaft or buy Bennett's, depending on whether I have more time than money when I get to that point... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford -----Original Message----- From: N71476@aol.com To: KR-net users group Date: Monday, May 03, 1999 1:34 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: VW engine >Look in the VW Mags. You can find several places in CA that build VW's for >airboats all over the world. They are test run and come with a video of the >run in. So you can get it ready to bolt on if you want for in the mid 4,ooo >may be the way you want to go if you want a VW. Look at Mark Langford's KR2S >Type 4 Engine you can find it at >http:/home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kvw.html > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: langford@hiwaay.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Corvair: direct hit From: "Robert Sauer" Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 14:03:53 -0500 X-Message-Number: 22 64-69 164 cid Corvair is the one to convert. I wouldn't use a 63, > -----Original Message----- > From: bounce-kr-net-49736@telelists.com > [mailto:bounce-kr-net-49736@telelists.com]On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga > Sent: Monday, May 03, 1999 11:49 AM > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Corvair: direct hit > > > Hey Netters- > > My first call to wrecking yards hit a '63 Corvair that the guy said was > driven in about 4 yrs. ago to the impound lot. He said I could > have either > the whole car or the engine for $300. Guess where I'll be going > after work? > ;o) > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, Oregon > website at http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/ > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: resauer@totalaccess.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Engine choice dilemma From: GREG S MARTIN Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 08:40:02 -0700 X-Message-Number: 23 No. It's a 4 cyl. flat opposed and is simular to the Soob. Honda has stated in a non published engine related mechanics stat sheet the horse power at 5980 rpm to be 101hp. This I got from a mechanic. The 1500 was rated 123 hp. But that was second hand information. You may be wright. The attachments are already on the motor for the prop hub assembly. All I have to do is split the case and take out the clutch & gears that I'm not using. I'll use a VW Rabbit Throttlebody injection as this is a fuel injected model engine. But I still think I have a good deal for my location. I'm sure there's plenty of good deals out there depending on where you live. But I do want to say that I've thought the Soob is a good choice. I just like the Honda. And the cost for either motor seem to be about equal at this point. Happy flying in the future. Greg Martin Bakersfield, CA On Sun, 02 May 1999 03:57:41 PDT "Richard Parker" writes: >>From: GREG S MARTIN > >>Now, compare this to a Soob and PSRU combo and I believe I have a >little >>better deal > >95 HP out of 1200 cc's seems a little high. > >Do you have a picture of that engine? Im having a hard time picturing >it >having not seen one in a lng time. I'm envisioning a big Harley type >head >sticking out of the top of your cowl. > >BTW for you guys looking for an inexpensive soob conversion, I paid >$300 for >my soob, the direct drive conversion cost $850, which included >machining and >mounting: the crank shaft and bell housing, a new bell housing seal, >direct >drive flange, crush plate, starter adapter, starter, flywheel, prop >adapter >w/hardware (Warp Drive), remote oil filter adapter kit, and tapping >all >applicable holes from metric to sae to accept A/C grade bolts. Bolts >were >also drilled to accept safety wire. Plus $28 for a block heater >available at >your local soob dealer. > >I'm doing the intake manifold, carburetor, exhaust, alternator, It >doesnt >have the turbo on it yet which will require me to put in new pistons. >I'll >probably try it out first without the turbo just to get me in the air >faster >then install the turbo when I feel I have the need for speed. > >I have the shops number if you are interested. > >Rich Parker >richontheroad@hotmail.com >http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm >Jaffrey, NH > >It's easy to make a small fortune in aviation. You start with a large > >fortune. > > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: idrawtobuild@juno.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Progress report From: JEHayward@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 17:49:30 EDT X-Message-Number: 24 In a message dated 5/2/99 11:30:32 PM Mountain Daylight Time, HAshraf@aol.com writes: << I used MEK to thin T-88 and use it for sealing the insides of the spars. It applies really well on the plywood but I did not have good luck on the spruce. Also, it is still tacky after two days. >> I believe this is the T-88 web site: http://www.systemthree.com Maybe a question to them before doing it would help with things like that. They have readily answered questions for me before and been very helpful. Jim Hayward Rapid City, SD ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Engine choice dilemma From: EveninBrz@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 19:55:56 EDT X-Message-Number: 25 In a message dated 5/2/1999 6:55:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, gpasc@earthlink.net writes: << how many covairs are flying and how many in KR's >> I've ran into 2 of them with Corvair engines in them. One at Chino about 10 or so years ago and one at Ribideau. At about the same time. Larry Shull EveninBrz@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Corvair: direct hit From: EveninBrz@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 20:21:54 EDT X-Message-Number: 26 In a message dated 5/3/1999 10:52:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, mlm@ontario.com writes: << You will probably be better of with a later-model 'vair engine. One after the engine change in 1965. I believe that is the recommendation of the 'vair converters I've talked to. >> Wait and find a 140 hp engine, they have the big valves in them. Much cheaper to get them all ready in it than install them later. The 140 head also has a much better intake system on it. If you can't find a 140 hp moter at least wait untill you can find one that is a 1965 or later engine. 1965 through 1969 is the one to find, has all of the good stuff allready in it. Larry Shull EveninBrz@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Engine choice dilemma From: EveninBrz@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 20:36:08 EDT X-Message-Number: 27 In a message dated 5/3/1999 2:34:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, idrawtobuild@juno.com writes: << The 1500 was rated 123 hp. >> The 1500 is not rated at 123 hp, the new Viking version engine is rated at 110 hp. That is with a diffrent cam and 6 carbs, one for each cylinder. Honda will tell you that the regular Gold Wing (full dresser version) makes less hp than the Viking version does. Power from the engine is delivered from the middle of the crankshaft via a chain to the clutch and gear set. It is going to involve a lot of custom machine work to get it from there to a propeller. Go down to the Honda shop and buy yourself a shop manual and look at it. You will see what is inside the engine. It may save you a lot of time and money. Larry Shull EveninBrz@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Love that fiberglass From: Mike Mims Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 19:06:16 -0700 X-Message-Number: 28 Bobby Muse wrote: > > At 10:04 PM 05/02/1999 EDT, you wrote: > > > >6) Glass it up with minimun two layers 5.85 BID glass. > >7) Run 2" glass tape around all corners, edges, and overlaps. > > > >Mark Jones (N886MJ) > 2- After the tank has setup, sand the outside of the tank and apply > at least one(prefer two) layer(s) of BID. This will insure that you will have a leak proof tank and added the needed strenght to carry 18 gallons.>>>>> I think I have to agree with this 100%. Two layers of 6 oz cloth hardly seem to be enough for 18 gal of fuel. That's a little over 100 pounds and in a 4 g maneuver that would be close to 450 pounds. Maybe someone could figure out just how much cloth is needed in a tank constructed in this manor? -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Ailerons almost done! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo CA Give Blood, Play Hockey! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Bike Engine in KR (formerly Engine choice dilemma) From: Mike Mims Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 19:18:56 -0700 X-Message-Number: 29 Michael Taglieri wrote: > > bike and car engines are designed to operate at 100% power only for quick bursts and they cruise at very low power levels. If you marked a scale on the throttle of my bike so you could see how much throttle I was using, you'd see something like 25% power at 70 mph+ highway cruise speeds. >>>>> I think I have to agree with Mike on this one. I worked as a motorcycle mechanic before I knew what I wanted to be when I grew up. Our shop specialized in a lot of high performance applications. We all had Dragbikes and other toys. Even if you were to use the Kawasaki KZ 650 record breaking reliability as an example your still asking for trouble if you plan to run the engine continuously at 5000 rpm or so. RPM is the maker of HP but is also the killer of the internal combustion engine. Think about it, Lycomings and Continentals are big displacement slow turing engines for one reason and one reason only, RELIABILITY! Sorry if it sounds like I said your baby is ugly, I don't mean to. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Ailerons almost done! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo CA Give Blood, Play Hockey! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Multiple post from "Wynand Koch" From: Mike Mims Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 19:21:39 -0700 X-Message-Number: 30 Wynand Koch wrote: > > Please mail to petro@smartnet.co.za in the future I hate to sound like a butt,.... but could one of you net moms PLEASE remove "Wynand Koch" from the list?? Five post with nothing added is a bit much! -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Ailerons almost done! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo CA Give Blood, Play Hockey! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Love that fiberglass From: FLYKR2S@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 22:57:41 EDT X-Message-Number: 31 I am glad to see the response on the construction of my tank. I removed the mold tonight and agree the two layers of 5.85 BID alone are not enough for the weight of the 18 gallons estimted. I will be installing a minimum of two baffels 1/2 thick covered with two layers each side. These will be from bottom to top and glassed in place front to back and spaced evenly to make three like compartments. Also the tank will sit on the top and bottom shelves on the aft firewall. The side walls will have exterior bracing where I intend to install piano hinge front to back at the upper longeron in order to make the tank removable. What do you think? Live to build and build to fly. Mark Jones (N886MJ) flykr2s@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Wing problems From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 21:07:48 -0700 X-Message-Number: 32 On Mon, 3 May 1999 08:57:50 EDT RFG842@aol.com writes: >This was just an off comment made by an GADO inspector about tank leakage and >structural failure. He passed this on when I called about intermediate >inspections for licenseing. > >My original thought was that he was privy to accident reports that I had no >knowledge of. I decided to ask the experts (KR Net) and apparently he's >wrong. Mabey he doesn't like home builts or just like anything else -- there >are experts and there are experts. > >Sorry to have worried anyone. > >Bob The NTSB accident reports are public information I think you'll find the KR accidents pulled out of the database and compiled on a couple of KRNet member web pages. Rick Junkin's web page comes to mind. "http://members.aol.com/eaglegator/index.html" Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213w construction and first flight at http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Multiple post from "Wynand Koch" From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 21:44:37 -0700 X-Message-Number: 33 According to the list manager, wynand@smartnet.co.za is already gone. I also got kr2dream@aol approved and back on this evening. Jeff "Net mom" Scott On Mon, 03 May 1999 19:21:39 -0700 Mike Mims writes: >Wynand Koch wrote: >> >> Please mail to petro@smartnet.co.za in the future > > >I hate to sound like a butt,.... but could one of you net moms PLEASE >remove "Wynand Koch" from the list?? Five >post with nothing added is a bit much! > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >Ailerons almost done! >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >Aliso Viejo CA >Give Blood, Play Hockey! >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jscott.pilot@juno.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213w construction and first flight at http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Corvair: direct hit From: John Esch Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 21:37:59 -0700 X-Message-Number: 34 Oscar Let me know if you find another one. John F. Esch Salem, OR Wynand Koch wrote: > > please mail to petro@smartnet.co.za in the future > > -----Original Message----- > From: Oscar Zuniga > To: KR-net users group > Date: Monday, May 03, 1999 6:56 PM > Subject: [kr-net] Corvair: direct hit > > >Hey Netters- > > > >My first call to wrecking yards hit a '63 Corvair that the guy said was > >driven in about 4 yrs. ago to the impound lot. He said I could have either > >the whole car or the engine for $300. Guess where I'll be going after > work? > >;o) > > > >Oscar Zuniga > >Medford, Oregon > >website at http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/ > > > > > >_______________________________________________________________ > >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > > >--- > >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: wynand@smartnet.co.za > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jfesch@home.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com