From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Friday, May 07, 1999 12:30 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: May 06, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Thursday, May 06, 1999. 1. Re: laminating spars 2. Re: laminating spars, Troy update 3. Foam billet question 4. Re: laminating spars, Troy update 5. Re: Foam billet question 6. Re: tailpost corrections 7. Re: laminating spars, Troy update 8. Re: Prop blade center of mass? 9. Re: Prop blade center of mass? 10. Fw: A Special Message 11. composite design software 12. Re: Foam billet question 13. Re: Fw: A Special Message 14. Re: SA articles 15. Retract Gear 16. Re: Prop blade center of mass? 17. Re: Fw: A Special Message ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: laminating spars From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 06:57:14 EDT X-Message-Number: 1 In a message dated 5/6/99 1:04:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, denec@netactive.co.za writes: << Project update: have just finished ripping timber for laminating, will probably glue and clamp on the weekend.Can anyone tell me how long before the new wing airfoil flies, I need to decide on spar dimensions soon. >> Dene, I'm going to let someone else who has the coordinates respond to this post, but I can't help but think that Troy will have his airplane in the air soon. I'll take this opportunity to address the spar issue for all builders. If you use the plans and build your spars you will be able to use the standard RR RAF48 or the new 16%. If you build standard spars and decide later you want to use Deihl RAF48 skins, the main spar is only 4 15/16 at the tip, as opposed to the standard 5 1/2". I believe that the really older plans called for the end thickness of the outer main spar to be 5 1/4". In addition to the difference between the standard RAF48 and the Deihl RAF48 main spar, the aft spar, using Deihl skins is angles more forward than the standard 3 degrees. So if you attach your WAF they won't be right. The point I am trying to make here is decide which route you are going to go before you build. Dana Overall 1999 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: laminating spars, Troy update From: "Mark Langford" Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 06:07:31 -0500 X-Message-Number: 2 Dene Collett wrote: >Can anyone tell me how long before the new wing airfoil flies, > I need to decide on spar dimensions soon. Dene, I talked to Troy last night and he's probably within a month of flying. His airframe is done, and cowling modifications are complete. He's been messing with various carb-on-top configurations, trying to make something work up there that doesn't look like a coiled snake. He's arrived at dual 38mm Mikunis from a motorcycle. Now it's a straight shot down the intake port! While at first glance that might appear to be a tuning nightmare, it helps that his buddy owns a Honda shop, and these carbs are altitude compensating by design. He's also finished up wheel pants, and will fly before painting, just in case he feels like doing some tail mods. Now all he has to do is take his empty 2180 engine case out and put all the guts back in. He's one of those guys that doesn't mind taking it apart several times and assembling "trial fitups". Everything else is ready to go. If he has a few good days, he'll knock it out. It all depends on how much time he has. Surely there's something else you can do for a few weeks before spar construction. I've often thought I just HAD to have something now, and ordered it overnight, only to have it sit for a year on the shelf... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Foam billet question From: "Oscar Zuniga" Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 05:38:29 PDT X-Message-Number: 3 Sorry, guys- I lost the post where somebody gave a source for big raw billets of extruded polystyrene 'blue' foam. Like what you'd use for a floating boat dock, right? Any leads would be appreciated; the prices in the catalogs for a 4'x8"x14" chunk look like a lot for what you're getting, and my local builders' insulation supply houses only carry boards up to about 2" thick. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon website at http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/ _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: laminating spars, Troy update From: "Blandford, Carlton C" Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 14:53:04 +0200 X-Message-Number: 4 Afternoon chaps, I've been reading with interest your emails about this new airfoil and would like to ask the following: I've just completed my KR2 in December and have been restoring a KR1 that was built in 1974 (the first in South Africa) and grounded in 1978. This bird has a laminar type airfoil installed but unfortunately I have no contact with the original owner so have know idea on the performance he was getting with this type of airfoil. What are the expected cruise speeds with this new airfoil, are we looking at speeds greater than 200MPH? What will the difference be in cruise between the laminar versa the RAF48 with 65HP? I was going to replace with the original RAF48, maybe I should remain with the laminar?? Cheers Carlton > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Langford [SMTP:langford@hiwaay.net] > Sent: 06 May 1999 01:08 > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Re: laminating spars, Troy update > > Dene Collett wrote: > > >Can anyone tell me how long before the new wing airfoil flies, > > I need to decide on spar dimensions soon. > > Dene, > > I talked to Troy last night and he's probably within a month of flying. > His > airframe is done, and cowling modifications are complete. He's been > messing > with various carb-on-top configurations, trying to make something work up > there that doesn't look like a coiled snake. He's arrived at dual 38mm > Mikunis from a motorcycle. Now it's a straight shot down the intake port! > While at first glance that might appear to be a tuning nightmare, it helps > that his buddy owns a Honda shop, and these carbs are altitude > compensating > by design. He's also finished up wheel pants, and will fly before > painting, > just in case he feels like doing some tail mods. Now all he has to do is > take his empty 2180 engine case out and put all the guts back in. He's > one > of those guys that doesn't mind taking it apart several times and > assembling > "trial fitups". Everything else is ready to go. If he has a few good > days, > he'll knock it out. It all depends on how much time he has. > > Surely there's something else you can do for a few weeks before spar > construction. I've often thought I just HAD to have something now, and > ordered it overnight, only to have it sit for a year on the shelf... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: CBlandford@mail.sbic.co.za > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Foam billet question From: "Richard Parker" Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 07:13:43 PDT X-Message-Number: 5 ask your local boat store or marina. they will know where to get it locally. RP >From: "Oscar Zuniga" >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" >To: "KR-net users group" >Subject: [kr-net] Foam billet question >Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 05:38:29 PDT > >Sorry, guys- I lost the post where somebody gave a source for big raw >billets of extruded polystyrene 'blue' foam. Like what you'd use for a >floating boat dock, right? Any leads would be appreciated; the prices in >the catalogs for a 4'x8"x14" chunk look like a lot for what you're getting, >and my local builders' insulation supply houses only carry boards up to >about 2" thick. > >Oscar Zuniga >Medford, Oregon >website at http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/ > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: richontheroad@hotmail.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: tailpost corrections From: "w.g. kirkland" Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 20:59:00 -0400 X-Message-Number: 6 Boy that makes me feel better. I thought I was the only one with a bit of a tilt. W.G. KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ---------- > From: HAshraf@aol.com > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Re: tailpost corrections > Date: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 11:08 AM > > In a message dated 99-05-04 10:24:03 EDT, you write: > > << A quick fix for a non-vertical tailpost is to scab on some of those long > skinny tapered leftovers that were created during horizontal stabilizer > construction. Out of all those pieces (or those from the main or aft spar) > you should be able to find one that's tapered perfectly that will correct > your deviation. After it's glued on, mark a straight line on front and back > of the other side (the one that has too much material now) and and use a > belt sander to quickly remove material down to the line. How do I know? > It's just about impossible for the tail post to end up vertical after > pulling those two sides of the boat together, especially if you want the > plywood to overlap the post (which you do).. >> > > Its a pretty good idea once the fuselage is pretty complete. Otherwise we get > four chances to get things straight. We have to remember that we need to > twist the fuselage a skosh to correct any discrepencies. First when the tail > post is installed, Second when the stabilizer brace is attached (where I am > right now) then when the turtledeck is attached (It has to be pretty stiff > like from RR or dual walled using Marks method) and last when the torsional V > braces are attached. I remember some one posted a another way which was to > pull the top tip of the rudder opposite to the lilt before glassing it. I > get another chance as I haven't skinned the rear bottom of my fuselage. That > piece goes after the aft deck and elevator has been installed. > > The air probably does not care about a couple of degree tilt in the fin as > long it is parallel to the flow. I suppose the torque of all the big engines > that are bieng put up front will twist the fuselage so fin will never be > verticle. > > Haris > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: kirkland@vianet.on.ca > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: laminating spars, Troy update From: "Mark Langford" Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 09:17:13 -0500 X-Message-Number: 7 > What are the expected cruise speeds with this new airfoil, are we looking >at speeds greater than 200MPH? >What will the difference be in cruise between the laminar versa the RAF48 >with 65HP? It's hard to say how fast it will go without knowing how much power the engine has. Is there something wrong with the wings it has now? If I had to replace them, I'd certainly do it with the new airfoil. There will be a substantial improvement. See http://amber.aae.uiuc.edu/~ashok/kr2/airfoils/ for more information on how much improvement in cruise speed, range, etc you can expect. The GA airfoils mentioned on this site were the precursors to the AS504x series, which are even more improved. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford -----Original Message----- From: Blandford, Carlton C To: KR-net users group Date: Thursday, May 06, 1999 8:29 AM Subject: [kr-net] Re: laminating spars, Troy update >Afternoon chaps, >I've been reading with interest your emails about this new airfoil and would >like to ask the following: >I've just completed my KR2 in December and have been restoring a KR1 that >was built in 1974 (the first in South Africa) and grounded in 1978. This >bird has a laminar type airfoil installed but unfortunately I have no >contact with the original owner so have know idea on the performance he was >getting with this type of airfoil. > What are the expected cruise speeds with this new airfoil, are we looking >at speeds greater than 200MPH? >What will the difference be in cruise between the laminar versa the RAF48 >with 65HP? > >I was going to replace with the original RAF48, maybe I should remain with >the laminar?? > >Cheers >Carlton > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mark Langford [SMTP:langford@hiwaay.net] >> Sent: 06 May 1999 01:08 >> To: KR-net users group >> Subject: [kr-net] Re: laminating spars, Troy update >> >> Dene Collett wrote: >> >> >Can anyone tell me how long before the new wing airfoil flies, >> > I need to decide on spar dimensions soon. >> >> Dene, >> >> I talked to Troy last night and he's probably within a month of flying. >> His >> airframe is done, and cowling modifications are complete. He's been >> messing >> with various carb-on-top configurations, trying to make something work up >> there that doesn't look like a coiled snake. He's arrived at dual 38mm >> Mikunis from a motorcycle. Now it's a straight shot down the intake port! >> While at first glance that might appear to be a tuning nightmare, it helps >> that his buddy owns a Honda shop, and these carbs are altitude >> compensating >> by design. He's also finished up wheel pants, and will fly before >> painting, >> just in case he feels like doing some tail mods. Now all he has to do is >> take his empty 2180 engine case out and put all the guts back in. He's >> one >> of those guys that doesn't mind taking it apart several times and >> assembling >> "trial fitups". Everything else is ready to go. If he has a few good >> days, >> he'll knock it out. It all depends on how much time he has. >> >> Surely there's something else you can do for a few weeks before spar >> construction. I've often thought I just HAD to have something now, and >> ordered it overnight, only to have it sit for a year on the shelf... >> >> Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama >> mailto:langford@hiwaay.net >> see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford >> >> >> >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: CBlandford@mail.sbic.co.za >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: langford@hiwaay.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Prop blade center of mass? From: "w.g. kirkland" Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 09:45:26 -0400 X-Message-Number: 8 Mark: Carefull here! There is a big difference between the centre of mass and the moment of inertia. The latter is the sum of each bit of mass times its radius squared. Which are you looking for? Like on car wheels its the difference between "static balance" and "dynamic" balance. In any event it really depends on the prop shape and is different for each prop. If you need more info try me off net. Bill W.G. KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ---------- > From: Mark Langford > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Prop blade center of mass? > Date: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 6:18 PM > > Anybody know where the center of mass of your basic prop blade is? What I > mean is if you cut the prop in half at the hub with one full blade in each > half, and balanced the resulting blade/half hub on a knife edge, how far out > from the center of the hub would your knife edge be (percentage wise)? I > realize that if you tried hard enough, you could move it around quite a bit, > but surely there's a rule of thumb. Seems like it's 1/3 of the way out > maybe? A stress buddy at work is going to run a Nastran model of my drive > shaft system to determine primary and secondary modes of torsional > vibration, and I need to whip up a solid model of a prop, or at least guess > where the center of mass is along the prop disk. My guess is that the > typical wooden prop weighs 7 pounds. > > Thanks, > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > -----Original Message----- > From: Warron Gray > To: KR-net users group > Date: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 4:17 PM > Subject: [kr-net] Re: REQ: KRNet Head & SOOBHeads advice > > > >Hey are you nuts ? where do you think the power is developed in the soob > >? we use 1.69 and 1.62 nothing higher than 1.85 or you don't get to the > >power range Warron > > > >Martin Mulvey wrote: > > > >> Hi Rick and all, I would stay with a 2.2 : 1 PSRU for the drive > >> unit. The 1.87 is not enough to develop the HP. BRGDS, Marty > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Rick Hubka > >> To: KR-net users group > >> Sent: 04 May, 1999 17:51 > >> Subject: [kr-net] REQ: KRNet Head & SOOBHeads advice > >> Hi KRNet Heads & SOOBHeads I have the opportunity to > >> purchased a EA-81 for my KR-2S from a fellow up here in > >> Canada. Below is some of the info. Cost = $2K U.S.It still > >> needs an intake and exhast system and I am concerned about > >> 1.87 PSRU. I don't know what prop speed it would give me or > >> if it would be appropriate for a KR.-----------------From > >> Seller...The engine is rebuilt and includes new pistons, > >> camshaft, and lifters. The crank was magnafluxed and > >> polished. Cylinder heads had valve grinds which included new > >> seats and guides. The machine work was done at Thompsons > >> Automotive Machine. I have included a URL for the > >> manufacturer of the PSRU for you to check out. The one I > >> have is new and was ordered from them. The gear reduction on > >> this one is 1.87 to 1 and has the lower support bearing. I > >> have not run the engine as I have not made up an intake > >> system for it. I was originally going to put it on a Beaver > >> ultralight but $#@$#&! it was to heavy so it is now in > >> storage in my basement. I also have a small 40 amp Nippon > >> Denso alternator for it and the stock intake manifold if > >> wanted. Also the books and video put out by Reductions > >> Ltd.http://www.mts.net/~davejohn/index.html-------------------- Can > >> any of you suggest:1) Is 1.87 PSRU OK for a KR-2S (No I > >> don't know what type of prop I would use)2) Does this sound > >> like a fair deal?3) what questions can I ask the seller to > >> make a better decision?4) what??? Thanks.. in > >> advance... Rick Hubka > >> rick@hubka.com > >> Calgary, Alberta Canada > >> > > > > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: kirkland@vianet.on.ca > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Prop blade center of mass? From: "Mark Langford" Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 10:23:54 -0500 X-Message-Number: 9 >Mark: Carefull here! There is a big difference between the centre of mass >and the moment of inertia. Yep, that's why I wanted to know where the center of mass is, so I can simply model the thing as 3.5 pounds 18 inches out from the center, and calculate the moment of inertia from this simplified model. Don't worry about it though. I've gotten a little carried away and solid modeled the prop hub and blades, so I've pretty much nailed it down. My CAD program did the dirty work of calculating the moments in about 5 seconds, once the model was done... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Fw: A Special Message From: "Jim Sellars" Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 16:48:04 -0300 X-Message-Number: 10 Aviation is a thing of beauty as it reflects some of the best we can do w= ith this life. So does a pause to reflect on how lucky we are. Regards; Jim -----Original Message----- From: Sellars, Danny (HCS-CHAT) To: 'jsellars@mon.auracom.com' Cc: Sellars, Danny (HCS-CHAT) Date: May 6, 1999 1:43 PM Subject: FW: A Special Message > -----Original Message----- > From: Martin, Krista (HCS-MIRA) > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 1999 11:33 AM > To: Foley-Parker, Elizabeth (HCS-CHAT); 'romartin@clearnet.com'; > 'charlaadams@hotmail.com'; 'ronpeers@sympatico.com'; Guerette, Sylvie > (SOLGEN) > Subject: FW: A Special Message > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gibbs, Roberte (HCS-CHAT) > > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 1999 9:18 AM > > To: Welcher, Deborah (HCS-CHAT); Robichaud, Norbert (HCS-CHAT); Gerva= is, > > Nicole (HCS-CHAT); Glynn, Joann (HCS-CHAT); Martin, Krista (HCS-MIRA) > > Subject: FW: A Special Message > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: D'Allessio, Armande (HCS-MIRA) > > Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 8:06 AM > > To: Brideau, Annette (HCS-NEWC); Keoughan, Paula (HCS-MIRA); McIntyre= , > > Roberta (HCS-CHAT); Gibbs, Roberte (HCS-CHAT); Robichaud, Eveline > > (HCS-NEGU) > > Subject: TR: A Special Message > > > > > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > De: Gregan-Burns, Carla (HCS-SJ) > > Date: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 6:57 AM > > =C0: Fowler, Sharon (HCS-SJ); Barry, Nancy (HCS-MIRA); Toole, Suzanne > > (HCS-SJ); Gauthier, Eileen (HCS-SJ); Manderville, Margie (HCS-MIRA); > > D'Allessio, Armande (HCS-MIRA) > > Objet: FW: A Special Message > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Peggy Blackwell [SMTP:peggyb@nbnet.nb.ca] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 6:14 AM > > To: WILLA; Lori Henderson- Stickles; Kathy Buckingham; Doris Stairs; > > Carla; Barbara Broome; Andrea > > Subject: Fw: A Special Message > > > > A Special Message > > > > > > Throughout our lives we are blessed with spiritual experiences, > > some of which are very sacred and confidential, and others, > > although sacred, are meant to be shared. > > > > Last summer my family had a spiritual experience that had a > > Lasting and profound impact on us, one we feel must be shared. Its a > > message of love. It's a message of regaining perspective, and > > restoring proper balance and renewing priorities. In humility, I pra= y > > that > > I might, in relating this story, give you a gift my little son, Brian= , > > gave > > our family one summer day last year. > > > > On July 22nd I was enroute to Washington DC for a business trip. > > It was all so very ordinary, until we landed in Denver for a plane > > change. As I collected my belongings from the overhead bin, an > > announcement > > was made for Mr. Lloyd Glenn to see the United Customer Service > > Representative immediately. I thought nothing of it until I reached = the > > door to leave the plane and I heard a gentleman asking every male if > they > > were Mr. Glenn. At this point I knew something was wrong and my hear= t > > sunk. > > When I got off the plane a solemn-faced young man came toward me and > > said, > > "Mr. Glenn, there is an emergency at your home. I do not know what = the > > emergency is, or who is involved, but I will take you to the phone so > you > > can call the hospital." > > > > > > My heart was now pounding, but the will to be calm took over. Wooden= ly, > I > > followed this stranger to the distant telephone where I > > called the number the gave me for the Mission Hospital. My call was = put > > through to the trauma center where I learned that my three-year-old s= on > > had > > been trapped underneath the automatic garage door for several minutes= , > and > > that when my wife had found him, he was dead. CPR had been performed= by > a > > neighbor, who is a doctor, and the paramedics had continued the > treatment > > as Brian was transported to the hospital. By the time of my call, Bri= an > > was > > revived and they believed he would live, but they did not know how mu= ch > > damage had been done to his brain, nor to his heart. They explained > > that > > the door had completely closed on his little sternum right over his > > heart. > > He had been severely crushed. > > > > After speaking with the medical staff, my wife sounded worried but > > not hysterical, and I took comfort in her calmness. The return flig= ht > > > > seemed to last forever, but finally I arrived at the hospital six hou= rs > > after the garage door had come down. When I walked into the intensiv= e > > care > > unit, nothing could have prepared me to see my little son laying so > still > > on a great big bed with tubes and monitors everywhere. > > > > He was on a respirator. I glanced at my wife who stood and tried to > > give me a reassuring smile. It all seemed like a terrible dream. I w= as > > filled-in with the details and given a guarded prognosis. Brian was > > going to live, and the preliminary tests indicated that his heart was > ok, > > two miracles in and of themselves. But only time would tell if his br= ain > > received any damage. Throughout the seemingly endless hours, my wife > was > > calm. She felt that Brian would eventually be all right. I hung > > on to her words and faith like a lifeline. All that night and the ne= xt > > day > > Brian remained unconscious. It seemed like forever since I had left > > for my business trip the day before. > > > > > > Finally at two oclock that afternoon, our son regained consciousness > > and sat up uttering the most beautiful words I have ever heard spoken. > > He said, "Daddy hold me" and he reached for me with his little arms. > > > > By the next day he was pronounced as having no neurological or physic= al > > deficits, and the story of his miraculous survival spread throughou= t > the > > hospital. You cannot imagine our gratitude and joy. > > > > > > As we took Brian home we felt a unique reverence for the life and lo= ve > > of our Heavenly Father that comes to those who brush death so closel= y. > > > > In the days that followed there was a special spirit about our home. > > Our two older children were much closer to their little brother. My w= ife > > and > > I were much closer to each other, and all of us were very close as a > whole > > family. Life took on a less stressful pace. > > > > > > Perspective seemed to be more focused, and balance much easier to gai= n > and > > maintain. > > > > > > We felt deeply blessed. Our gratitude was truly profound. > > > > The story is not over (smile)! Almost a month later to the day of the > > incident, Brian awoke from his afternoon nap and said, "Sit down > > mommy. I have something to tell you." At this time in his life, Brian > > usually spoke in small phrases, so to say a large sentence surprised > > my wife. She sat down with him on his bed and he began his sacred a= nd > > remarkable story. > > > > "Do you remember when I got stuck under the garage door? Well it was = so > > heavy and it hurt really bad. I called to you, but you couldn't hear > me. > > I > > started to cry, but then it hurt too bad. And then the > > birdies came." > > > > "The birdies?" my wife asked puzzled. "Yes," he replied. "The birdie= s > > made > > a whooshing sound and flew into the garage. They took care of me." > "They > > did?" "Yes" he said. > > > > "One of the birdies came and got you. She came to tell you I got > > stuck under the door." A sweet reverent feeling filled the room. The > > spirit was so strong and yet lighter than air. My wife realized tha= t a > > three-year-old had no concept of death and spirits, so he was > > referring to the beings who came to him from beyond as "birdies" beca= use > > they were up in the air like birds that fly. "What did the birdies lo= ok > > like?" she asked. Brian answered,"They were so beautiful. They were > > dressed in white, all white. Some of them had green and white. But > some > > of them had on just white." > > > > "Did they say anything?" "Yes" he answered. "They told me the baby > would > > be > > alright." > > > > > > "The baby?" my wife asked confused.Brian answered. "The baby laying o= n > the > > garage floor." He went on, "You came out and opened the garage door a= nd > > ran > > to the baby. You told the baby to stay and not leave." My wife nearly > > collapsed upon hearing this, for she had indeed gone and knelt beside > > Brian's body and seeing his crushed chest and recognizable features, > > knowing > > he was already dead, she looked up around her and whispered,"Don't > leave > > us > > Brian, please stay if you can." > > > > As she listened to Brian telling her the words she had spoken, she > > realized > > that The spirit had left his body and was looking down from above on > this > > little lifeless form. > > > > "Then what happened?" she asked. > > > > > > "We went on a trip." He said, "far, far away." He grew agitated > > trying to say the things he didnt seem to have the words for. My > > wife tried to calm and comfort him, and let him know it would be okay. > He > > struggled with wanting to tell something that obviously was very > > important to him, but finding the words was difficult. "We flew so fa= st > up > > in the air. They're so pretty Mommy." he added. "And there is lots a= nd > > lots > > of birdies." > > > > My wife was stunned. Into her mind the sweet comforting spirit > > enveloped her more soundly, but with an urgency she had never before > > known. > > Brian went on to tell her that the "birdies" had told him that he had= to > > come back and tell everyone about the "birdies". He said they brough= t > him > > back to the house and that a big fire truck, and an ambulance were > there. > > A > > man was bringing the baby out on a white bed and he tried to tell the > man > > that the baby would be okay, but the man couldn't hear him. > > > > > > He said the birdies told him he had to go with the ambulance, but > > they would be near him. He said, they were so pretty and so peaceful= , > and > > he didn't want to come back. > > > > Then the bright light came. He said that the light was so bright and > > so warm,and he loved the bright light so much. Someone was in the > > bright light and put their arms around him, and told him, "I love you > but > > you have to go back. You have to play baseball, and tell everyone ab= out > > the > > birdies." Then the person in the bright light kissed him and waved > > bye-bye. > > Then woosh, the big sound came and they went into the clouds. > > > > > > The story went on for an hour. He taught us that "birdies" were alwa= ys > > with us, but we dont see them because we look with our eyes and we > > don't hear them because we listen with our ears. But they are always > > there, you can only see them in here (he put his hand over his heart) > They > > whisper the things to help us to do what is right because they love u= s > so > > much. > > > > > > Brian continued, stating, "I have a plan, Mommy. You have a plan. > > Daddy has a plan. Everyone has a plan. We must all live our plan and > keep > > our promises. The birdies help us to do that cause they love > > us so much." In the weeks that followed, he often came to us and > > told all, or part of it again and again. Always the story remained = the > > same. > > > > > > The details were never changed or out of order. A few times he added > > further bitsofinformation and clarified the message he had already > > delivered. It never ceased to amaze us how he could tell such detail > > and speak beyond his ability when he talked about his birdies. > Everywhere > > he > > went, he told strangers about the "birdies". Surprisingly, no one ev= er > > looked at him strangely when he did this. Rather, they always got a > > softened > > look on their face and smiled. > > > > Needless to say, we have not been the same ever since that day, and = I > > pray > > we never will be. > > > > > > > > An Angel To Watch over You > > > > > > Some people come into our lives and quickly go... > > Some people become friends and stay a while... > > leaving beautiful footprints on our hearts... > > and we are never quite the same because we have > > made a good friend!! > > Yesterday is history. > > Tomorrow a mystery. > > Today is a gift. > > That's why its called the present! > > live and savor every moment.....this is not a dress rehearsal! > > > > > > (\ /) > > ( \ _ / ) > > ( \( )/ ) > > ( /<>\ ) TAKE THIS LITTLE ANGEL > > ( / \/ \ ) AND KEEP HER CLOSE TOYOU > > / \ SHE IS YOUR GUARDIAN ANGEL > > ( ) SENT TO WATCH OVER YOU > > ~~~ > > > > > > THIS IS A SPECIAL GUARDIAN ANGEL... > > YOU MUST PASS THIS ON TO 5 PEOPLE WITHIN THE HOUR > > OF RECEIVING HER... AFTER YOU DO MAKE A WISH... > > IF YOU HAVE PASSED HER ON, YOUR WISH WILL BE > > GRANTED AND SHE'LL WATCH OVER YOU FOREVER... > > IF NOT HER TEARS WILL FLOW AND NO WISHES WILL BE > > GRANTED... > > > > > > Now don't delete this message, because it comes from a very > > special angel. > > > > -------------------- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: composite design software From: "Richard Parker" Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 13:39:04 PDT X-Message-Number: 11 Found this in this months Nasa Tech briefs with some interesting articles on composite vessels (ie gas tanks) pages 72 + 73 I figured Steven E. Mark L. and Dean C. may be interested if no one else. Fibersim- "Before you launch a composite design make sure its going to fly - Design your next composite part with complete confidence that it will fly in production. www.cdt.com Rich Parker _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Foam billet question From: "Dean Collette" Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 16:30:43 -0500 X-Message-Number: 12 Oscar, If you go to the local boat store or marina, they will charge about twice what the thing is worth. Call a couple of local insulation companies - the bigger the company, the better. They usually carry the billets on hand for commercial construction, and if they don't have it, they can order the stuff. When I was in the market for foam (lots of foam) I looked at both the urates (urethane-type) and the Styrofoam, and the insulation companies were definitely the cheapest price around. You might not want to tell them that it is for an airplane - some companies get a little worried about this. Dean Collette Milwaukee, Wisconsin mailto:drdean@execpc.com Web Page at http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/home.htm -----Original Message----- From: Richard Parker To: KR-net users group Date: Thursday, May 06, 1999 9:33 AM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Foam billet question >ask your local boat store or marina. they will know where to get it locally. > >RP > >>From: "Oscar Zuniga" >>Reply-To: "KR-net users group" >>To: "KR-net users group" >>Subject: [kr-net] Foam billet question >>Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 05:38:29 PDT >> >>Sorry, guys- I lost the post where somebody gave a source for big raw >>billets of extruded polystyrene 'blue' foam. Like what you'd use for a >>floating boat dock, right? Any leads would be appreciated; the prices in >>the catalogs for a 4'x8"x14" chunk look like a lot for what you're getting, >>and my local builders' insulation supply houses only carry boards up to >>about 2" thick. >> >>Oscar Zuniga >>Medford, Oregon >>website at http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/ >> >> >>_______________________________________________________________ >>Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com >> >>--- >>You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: richontheroad@hotmail.com >>To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com >> > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: drdean@execpc.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Fw: A Special Message From: "RONALD R. EASON" Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 19:26:33 -0500 X-Message-Number: 13 >Aviation is a thing of beauty as it reflects some of the best we can do with >this life. So does a pause to reflect on how lucky we are. Regards; Jim God Bless those who have ears to hear what was said. KRRon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: SA articles From: "Richard Parker" Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 17:55:58 PDT X-Message-Number: 14 Due to popular demand I've put the zipped pdf files on my web page. they can be downloaded from there. Rich Parker richontheroad@hotmail.com http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm Jaffrey, NH It's easy to make a small fortune in aviation. You start with a large fortune. >From: "Henning Mortensen" >To: richontheroad@hotmail.com >Subject: SA articles >Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 14:28:19 PDT > >Would you be so kind as to send the zipped pdf files my way. >Thanks > >Henning Mortensen >KR2 Regina Sk. Canada > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Retract Gear From: FLYKR2S@aol.com Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 21:40:08 EDT X-Message-Number: 15 I have a full set of KR retracts. Spring bar, gear legs, all the brackets etc. Best offer takes it all. E-mail me at flykr2s@aol.com if interested. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Waukesha, WI flykr2s@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Prop blade center of mass? From: "Andy" Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 21:10:40 -0700 X-Message-Number: 16 >Mark: Carefull here! There is a big difference between the centre of mass >and the moment of inertia. >The latter is the sum of each bit of mass times its radius squared. Which >are you looking for? >W.G. KIRKLAND >kirkland@vianet.on.ca >> I'd really like to follow this discussion if you guys are going to still keep up a dialogue. So, can you still post the results of the computer model (mark) or the resolution of the problem (bill)? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Fw: A Special Message From: Mike Mims Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 21:43:02 -0700 X-Message-Number: 17 Jim Sellars wrote: > > > > THIS IS A SPECIAL GUARDIAN ANGEL... > > > YOU MUST PASS THIS ON TO 5 PEOPLE WITHIN THE HOUR > > > OF RECEIVING HER... 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