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KR-net users group Digest for Wednesday, May 12, 1999.
1. Re: June Kitplanes
2. Jeanette is happy
3. Re: Fuel Problem....HELP!!!
4. Re: Fuel Problem....HELP!!!
5. Re: Props
6. Re: prop selection
7. Re: prop selection
8. Re: prop selection
9. Firewall forward
10. Re: Fuel Problem....HELP!!!
11. Re: Firewall forward
12. Re: Firewall forward
13. Re: prop selection
14. Re: prop selection
15. Re: prop selection
16. Re: Fuel Problem....HELP!!!
17. KR-net benefits
18. Re: prop selection
19. Re: Pressure relief holes in spars.
20. Re: Props
21. Re: Stall Speed
22. Re: Firewall forward
23. Re: Fuel Problem....HELP!!!
24. Re: Fuel Problem....HELP!!!
25. Re: prop material
26. Re: Pressure relief holes in spars.
27. Re: prop material
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Subject: Re: June Kitplanes
From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen)
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 06:45:45 -0500
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Yes, I did see the article. Everyone should probably read it and be =
prepared for that date - just in case. Personally, I have a hand-held =
Trimble that I bought from a friend back in '93 I think. Think it was =
about a year old then. Anybody out there have some particular info from =
manufacturers on their GPSes that they could share with the group?=20
Ed Janssen
Did you see article on GPS on page 82=20
kind of a Y2K thing for GPSs seems that Aug 22 at midnite GPSs=20
using Julian dates will begin a new gps 'EPOCH' and some of 'em=20
will crash.=20
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Yes, I did see the article. =
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case. =20
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in '93 I=20
think. Think it was about a year old then. Anybody out there =
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Ed Janssen
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Subject: Jeanette is happy
From: "Oscar Zuniga"
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 05:40:55 PDT
X-Message-Number: 2
Yo, netters
Wasn't sure if everybody saw this, so I'll forward (with snips):
>To: taildrags@hotmail.com
>Subject: KR Polo shirts
>Oscar
>
>I went to Rand Robinson to pick up my "S" plans. Jeannette
>was extremely proud of her KR Net shirt. I think you have
>defiantly built a bridge. She showed it to me as soon as I
>walked in. Thank you. She seemed to be more open to the
>netters than when I picked up the KR2 plans. So I say again
>you did good!
>
Now if we could just change the liability issue somehow, so she wouldn't be
so resistant to updating things. I'm sure that's what the motivation (or
lack of it) is- she doesn't want to lose it all due to somebody corkscrewing
in a KR that's been built to some new mods. It's a wonder that she went for
the O-200 upgrade, and the premolded parts now offered.
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, Oregon
website at http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/
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Subject: Re: Fuel Problem....HELP!!!
From: "Steve Glover"
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 6:54:45
X-Message-Number: 3
It does seem to be running a bit rich. I get black pufs when I accelerate
also. I am using an airfilter which is in front of the engine so I think I
am getting plenty of air.
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Subject: Re: Fuel Problem....HELP!!!
From: SClay10106@aol.com
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 11:03:44 EDT
X-Message-Number: 4
have u checked timing? or the vacume advance? it sounds like your getting to
much or not enough fuel untill the throttle is farther open which could be
timing
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Subject: Re: Props
From: N71476@aol.com
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 13:23:18 EDT
X-Message-Number: 5
just a reciept for my $3,000 Mc. also.
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Subject: Re: prop selection
From: "Richard Parker"
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 12:15:14 PDT
X-Message-Number: 6
So what kind of black magic do these guys use to selelct the proper prop
when you call with your details?
For example depending on your application you may be on the high end of a
performance range of one prop and the low end of the performance range of
another but if you were ever planning on making slight changes one prop may
be much more suited than the other.
I'm really suprised that there hasnt been more investigation in this area.
We debate the vitues of one glue over another countless times but nobody out
there has asked those kind of questions regarding props? :-)
Maybe the Airfoil Team can design a Super Duper Y2K compatible prop for us?
Rich Parker
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>Reply-To: "KR-net users group"
>To: "KR-net users group"
>Subject: [kr-net] Re: Props
>Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 13:23:18 EDT
>
>just a reciept for my $3,000 Mc. also.
>
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Subject: Re: prop selection
From: KR2616TJ@aol.com
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 16:54:47 EDT
X-Message-Number: 7
In a message dated 5/12/99 4:34:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
richontheroad@hotmail.com writes:
<< For example depending on your application you may be on the high end of a
performance range of one prop and the low end of the performance range of
another but if you were ever planning on making slight changes one prop may
be much more suited than the other. >>
Rich if you are planning on using a wood prop remember the little
"experiment" that was done on the KR at last years east coast gathering. For
those of you not there, the guy didn't think he was getting high enough RPM's
up using the prop he had. He and Troy took Troy's Sterba prop, of the same
length but more pitch, and put it on just to see what would happen. With
more pitch, but a different manufacturer, the engine generated more RPM's.
This really is one of those try it and see what happens areas. The charts
will get you in the ballpark.
Dana Overall
1999 KR Gathering host
Richmond, KY
mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/
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Subject: Re: prop selection
From: "Rod Kelso"
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 15:15:01 -0600
X-Message-Number: 8
Rich, Have you ever thought about asking the manufactures about your
problem with props? Im sure those guys could come up with alot of better
suggestions than any of us. After all those guys do that kind of work for
a living and not just a hobby like almost all of us.
LOL
Rod
Denver............:o))
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> From: Richard Parker
> To: KR-net users group
> Subject: [kr-net] Re: prop selection
> Date: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 1:15 PM
>
> So what kind of black magic do these guys use to selelct the proper prop
> when you call with your details?
>
> For example depending on your application you may be on the high end of a
> performance range of one prop and the low end of the performance range of
> another but if you were ever planning on making slight changes one prop
may
> be much more suited than the other.
>
> I'm really suprised that there hasnt been more investigation in this
area.
> We debate the vitues of one glue over another countless times but nobody
out
> there has asked those kind of questions regarding props? :-)
>
> Maybe the Airfoil Team can design a Super Duper Y2K compatible prop for
us?
>
> Rich Parker
>
> >From: N71476@aol.com
> >Reply-To: "KR-net users group"
> >To: "KR-net users group"
> >Subject: [kr-net] Re: Props
> >Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 13:23:18 EDT
> >
> >just a reciept for my $3,000 Mc. also.
> >
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Subject: Firewall forward
From: flyakr2
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 14:07:07 -0700
X-Message-Number: 9
I received confirmation of my new membership, but I couldn't find
anything in the website that told me about the service offered. Not
only am I a new builder, but I'm still learning about computers and how
the internet works. I found a bunch of photos at the website that I
think will help me, but do all those people have e-mail addresses and if
so how can I get their e-mail addresses and can I send mail to them
directly? What I'm most interested in at this point is builder support,
but I don't know how to get in touch with these people. Can you help?
I was hoping someone might be able to tell me where I might be able to
get more detailed information on firewall forward. It seems to me that
the material I have isn't very detailed regarding the engine
installation. I just recently started a partial project about 60%
complete. I'm just a babe learning to walk. Can somebody help me take
my first step. Thanks so much.
Dave
flyakr2@tco.net
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Subject: Re: Fuel Problem....HELP!!!
From: "Steve Glover"
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 16:10:10
X-Message-Number: 10
Timing is set dead on...I think. It is an electronic ignition (CompuFire)
which seems to work pretty well.
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Subject: Re: Firewall forward
From: jscott.pilot@juno.com
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 17:22:11 -0700
X-Message-Number: 11
Dave,
You just e-mailed about 500 of us.
Feel free to ask any question. Someone knowlegeable (and a few that
aren't ;o) ) will probably reply back to you on line as well as a few off
line. Almost every KR Web page owner is out here on the KRNet. Most
web pages also have a "mail to" button for you to mail to the airplane
builder directly.
Welcome aboard.
Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM
mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com
See N1213w construction and first flight at
http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm
On Wed, 12 May 1999 14:07:07 -0700 flyakr2 writes:
>I received confirmation of my new membership, but I couldn't find
>anything in the website that told me about the service offered. Not
>only am I a new builder, but I'm still learning about computers and how
>the internet works. I found a bunch of photos at the website that I
>think will help me, but do all those people have e-mail addresses and if
>so how can I get their e-mail addresses and can I send mail to them
>directly? What I'm most interested in at this point is builder support,
>but I don't know how to get in touch with these people. Can you help?
>I was hoping someone might be able to tell me where I might be able to
>get more detailed information on firewall forward. It seems to me that
>the material I have isn't very detailed regarding the engine
>installation. I just recently started a partial project about 60%
>complete. I'm just a babe learning to walk. Can somebody help me take
>my first step. Thanks so much.
>
>Dave
>flyakr2@tco.net
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Subject: Re: Firewall forward
From: KR2616TJ@aol.com
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 19:25:57 EDT
X-Message-Number: 12
In a message dated 5/12/99 6:25:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, flyakr2@tco.net
writes:
<< I found a bunch of photos at the website that I
think will help me, but do all those people have e-mail addresses and if
so how can I get their e-mail addresses and can I send mail to them
directly? >>
Look at the return e-mail address on all of the KR websites, that is who you
can direct your off KRNet questions to.
As far as builder support "we be it". Ask a question, I guarantee you will
get your fair share of answers. As far as firewall forward, check out Great
Plains at http://www.greatplainsas.com
VWub forever:-)
Welcome
Dana Overall
1999 KR Gathering host
Richmond, KY
mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/
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Subject: Re: prop selection
From: EveninBrz@aol.com
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 20:00:39 EDT
X-Message-Number: 13
In a message dated 5/12/1999 3:22:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, rbk@orci.com
writes:
<< After all those guys do that kind of work for
a living and not just a hobby like almost all of us.
>>
The new wing is done just as a hobby, the new tail was done just as a
hobby, the Dragonfly canopy installation came about just as a hobby. There
are some really talented people on here that can enjoy doing that sort of a
thing for a hobby.
Larry Shull
EveninBrz@aol.com
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Subject: Re: prop selection
From: EveninBrz@aol.com
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 19:55:49 EDT
X-Message-Number: 14
In a message dated 5/12/1999 1:35:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
richontheroad@hotmail.com writes:
<< I'm really suprised that there hasnt been more investigation in this area.
We debate the vitues of one glue over another countless times but nobody out
there has asked those kind of questions regarding props? :-)
Maybe the Airfoil Team can design a Super Duper Y2K compatible prop for us?
>>
Now there is a really needed project!!! Don't think that one prop would
be universally useful, but some sort of table or a reliable chart that would
put you ion the ballpark would be usefull. Better still, a good cheap
constant speed ? Or a good cheap in flight adjustable could definately find
a market.
Larry Shull
EveninBrz@aol.com
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Subject: Re: prop selection
From: Mike Mims
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 18:07:44 -0700
X-Message-Number: 15
Richard Parker wrote:
>
> So what kind of black magic do these guys use to selelct the proper prop when you call with your details?>>>
Rich, after I did a little reading on prop making I decided that there
just isn't that much science to doing it. The three or four top prop
makers in the US (for eXperimentals) have been cranking them out with
good consistency for many years. Ed Sterba has a work sheet that you
fill out and fax back to him. Things such as RPM, HP, projected max
speed are about all you need to know to make the right prop for your
plane. There are many KR builders who carved their own props and even
on their first try they got iy right.
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Aliso Viejo CA
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Subject: Re: Fuel Problem....HELP!!!
From: SkyHawk11@aol.com
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:15:35 EDT
X-Message-Number: 16
Hi float level causes carb to run rich at all speeds except idle and low
float level causes fuel starvation or to run lean ,correct fuel level allows
the correct amount of fuel to be drawn over the metering system at all speeds
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Subject: KR-net benefits
From: "Richard Parker"
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 18:26:29 PDT
X-Message-Number: 17
I wonder why Janette hasnt asked if she can include a "Free KR-net
Membership" with every set of plans. Good marketing ploy "500 experts on
line 24 hours a day" almost as good as Gateway Computers! Maybe one of you
Left Coast guys can mention it. (Tell her it was my idea) That would be
worth more than the plans! :-)
Rich Parker
richontheroad@hotmail.com
http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm
Jaffrey, NH
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Subject: Re: prop selection
From: "Richard Parker"
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 18:39:15 PDT
X-Message-Number: 18
>From: Mike Mims
>.....There are many KR builders who carved their own props and even
>on their first try they got iy right.
Oh, I'm not that ambitious. :-)
Rich
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Subject: Re: Pressure relief holes in spars.
From: Bobby Muse
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 20:37:59 -0500
X-Message-Number: 19
At 08:47 AM 05/11/1999 EDT, you wrote:
>
>
> Hi
> Bill here
>
> I flew my KR at 15000 ft , and did not drill the spars.,, But you need to
>drill a hole in wing panels , They deform while sitting on the ground from
>the heat of the sun . I drilled holes in the tail sections also .
>
> WildBill ( not so wild anymore )
I agree with WildBill, But You need to drill holes in each and every closed
chamber of the aircraft to allow ambient atmosheric pressure to neutralize
in each chamber.
Bobby Muse
mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com
Wimberly, TX
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Subject: Re: Props
From: Bobby Muse
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 20:55:36 -0500
X-Message-Number: 20
At 06:42 PM 05/11/1999 -0700, you wrote:
>Richard Parker wrote:
>>
>> When you buy a new prop do you get any type of Data sheet with them that
has performance curves? thrust vs rpm, etc,
>>
>
>Wake up Rich your having a DREAM!! :o) My Sterba prop came with a
>receipt, that's ALL.
>
>Micheal Mims
>
Actually, you need to give the manufactor the Data Information and they
should be able to build the prop to YOUR specs.
Bobby Muse
mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com
Wimberly, TX
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Subject: Re: Stall Speed
From: Bobby Muse
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:05:02 -0500
X-Message-Number: 21
Hi Jim!!
Bobby Muse
mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com
Wimberly, TX
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Subject: Re: Firewall forward
From: FLYKR2S@aol.com
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 22:52:32 EDT
X-Message-Number: 22
Hi Dave,
Welcome! One of the best sources I have read is Tony Bingelis book "Firewall
Forward". This book is available for about $20. You can find it at EAA or
just about anywhere aviation help books are sold.
Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Waukesha, WI
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Subject: Re: Fuel Problem....HELP!!!
From: "Steve Glover"
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 20:11:23
X-Message-Number: 23
I adjusted the float level today and sealed one of the jets...I think. In
the tube that is suppossed to be the main jet there are 5 holes above the
threads and 4 holes below. Then there is a long tube that goes down inside
the main jet tube from the venturi. The diagram I have says it is an idle
tube. It describes the main jet as "main jet and discharge tube".
I started it up and it seemed to idle better. But it is still cutting out
at around half throttle. I only got the black smoke when I tried to
accelerate. It wasn't real bad though.
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Subject: Re: Fuel Problem....HELP!!!
From: Mike Mims
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 20:51:14 -0700
X-Message-Number: 24
Steve Glover wrote:
>
> I adjusted the float level today and sealed one of the jets...I think. In the tube that is suppossed to be the main jet there are 5 holes >>>
Did you say this is one of GPASC updraft carbs? I think you did and if
that's the case I think the main jet is adjustable. You really should
email Steve direct or give him a call. Sounds to me like you just need a
simple adjustment. You should also give it a try without the air filter
installed just to eliminate the possibility of a intake restriction.
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Micheal Mims
Ailerons almost done!
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/
Aliso Viejo CA
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Subject: Re: prop material
From: MARVIN MCCOY
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 08:58:02 -0700
X-Message-Number: 25
I have a question about what type of wood to make the prop out of.
I just read Eric Clutton's book "Propeller making for the amateur" and
he used Douglas Fir. Has anyone out there ever seen a prop made with
douglas fir?? It seems that it would make a very light weight prop.
Much lighter then some of the hard maple props that I have seen. But I
wonder if Fir would be strong enough for a prop on a VW turning at 3500
RPM with about 80 HP?? I am thinking of using Fir to make my prop when
I get to that stage.
Any thoughts on using Doug Fir for a prop????
Thanks
Marvin McCoy
Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field
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Subject: Re: Pressure relief holes in spars.
From: Totryroma@aol.com
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 00:06:52 EDT
X-Message-Number: 26
It is my understanding that the holes should be drilled for moisture control
also -- two reasons in one!
Ron -- S Sioux City, Ne
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Subject: Re: prop material
From: Mike Mims
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:27:40 -0700
X-Message-Number: 27
MARVIN MCCOY wrote:
>
But I wonder if Fir would be strong enough for a prop on a VW turning
at 3500 RPM with about 80 HP?? I am thinking of using Fir to make my
prop when I get to that stage.
> Any thoughts on using Doug Fir for a prop????
>
Well I think that's what my Sterba prop is made out of. Also you can go
to this page and check out this wood prop and I am sure he will tell you
what wood he used.
http://members.aol.com/Lee810/propfab.html
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Micheal Mims
Ailerons almost done!
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/
Aliso Viejo CA
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