From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Thursday, May 20, 1999 12:14 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: May 19, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Wednesday, May 19, 1999. 1. Re: Building a Hanger 2. KR100 3. Re: Building a Hanger 4. Re: horizontal stab (old horses never die, they just smell like sh**) 5. Quick fasteners 6. Re: KR100 7. Re: [kr-net]Don't get discouraged!!!!!!!!! ... 8. Rudder trim tab. 9. Re: Rudder trim tab. 10. Re: Building a Hanger 11. V-Tail KR's 12. kr1 plans and instructions 13. Re: horizontal stab 14. Web Site Photos 15. The latest batch of Sport Aviation Articles. 16. Re: V-Tail KR's 17. Re: My New Web Site 18. Re: The latest batch of Sport Aviation Articles. 19. Re: My New Web Site 20. Re: Lamb 21. Re: Quick fasteners ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Building a Hanger From: "The Stones" Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 07:24:02 -0400 X-Message-Number: 1 -----Original Message----- From: Andy >Hey . . . I just saw a brand new "straw bale" 2 story house that Habitat >For Humanity is building in Yuba City, CA. Cool! Cheap! And yes, >the bale walls were load bearing. might be an inexpensive alternative. Here's a couple of url's for strawbale construction. It's quite interesting and has a long history of use in the US. Tim S. http://www.crest.org/efficiency/straw_insulation/ http://mha-net.org/html/sblinks.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KR100 From: "Blandford, Carlton C" Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 13:26:30 +0200 X-Message-Number: 2 Hi all, What info is available on the KR100?? Any Gent's wanting a drawing of my planetary reduction can email me offline and I'll send this directly to you. The drawing is not the best quality but will give you a general idea of what it looks like. I'm currently busy hand drawing a complete dissection of the box with all components involved and will post this on my WebPages when that's complete. Cheers Carlton Blandford Standard Bank - Integrated Network Services Tel No: 027 11 636-8372 Fax No: 027 11 636-3074 *CBlandford@Mail.SBIC.co.za ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Building a Hanger From: "Keith Young" Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 06:35:36 -0500 X-Message-Number: 3 I just finished building a 28 X 32 foot hanger. I used curved scissor truss for the roof that I built from a jig that was temporarily buld on the hanger floor. I have AUTOcad drawings of the structure that I made to aid me in the construction. The doors are full width sliding (autually on castors) and in four sections. If you are interested in the drawings I have I would be glad to EMAIL them to you this coming weekend. They can be easily modified to what ever size you desire. If I can get hold of the company digtial camera I am willing to take photos of my hanger and EMAIL them to you as well. >>> 05/18 8:15 PM >>> I am in need of some information/ plans on a post and beam aircraft hanger. 45 X 45 Any ideas ? Nick --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: keith.young@trin.net To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: horizontal stab (old horses never die, they just smell like sh**) From: Krwr1@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 08:33:40 EDT X-Message-Number: 4 In a message dated 5/18/99 11:31:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mikemims@home.com writes: > > The resource on the KRNet is actually quite awesome considering the > scope of experience. Think about it, we have engineers, structural, > chemical, and aerospace types. We have real test pilots, we have mid to > high time pilots with experience in a multitude of aircraft. We have > machinist, mechanics, computer engineers, and yes we have doctors! :o) > Best of all we have real KR pilots. I guess what I am trying to say > here is although most of us don't know it ALL (I am working on it) we do > have something to share and for the most part when we speak we are NOT > talking out of our ass. Not that its the word of God either mind you. > Bill here I've read this KRnet now for a couple years , and at times I cant belive what I see . Like , like what engine to use , the short or long block VW . If I had this KRnet to read before I started to build , I would never had started . The sensitivity and stability, and now elevator droop. That's a new one on me . Bill ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Quick fasteners From: "Oscar Zuniga" Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 06:11:58 PDT X-Message-Number: 5 Hello, netters In looking at the various quick fasteners in the catalogs last night, there seems to be a large price difference between the Southco style and the other two (Dzus and Camloc). Anybody have any negatives with the Southco style, which the catalogs say are the type used on Cessnas? I know we're not talking a huge amount of money anyway, but just wondering why the big discrepancy. And what about the "special tools" needed for these puppies? A guy could spend a bunch of money on the tools; way more than the total cost of the fasteners. Again another reason for going with the Southco, which needs almost no special tools if I'm looking at it right. Thanks. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon website at http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/ _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR100 From: "Mark Langford" Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 08:41:11 -0500 X-Message-Number: 6 >What info is available on the KR100?? The KR100 was built by Kevin Kelly, who was doing some work for RR at the time. He did several interesting things with it, among them hinging the flaps and ailerons directly from the aft spar, and giving them more "normal" proportions. I was told that he provided plans for the design to RR, but that it was never marketed for some unknown reason (even HE didn't understand why). He built it with the intention of racing it, and didn't do too bad, from what I remember. I think it had an 0-200 or similar engine. It's still a one-of-a-kind airplane. I think he now works for Boeing in Seattle, but I could be wrong. There were several blurbs in a few of the newsletters, but that's about all the info ever published on it, to the best of my knowledge.. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [kr-net]Don't get discouraged!!!!!!!!! ... From: RFG842@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:57:38 EDT X-Message-Number: 7 In a message dated 5/19/99 8:39:40 AM Central Daylight Time, Krwr1@AOL.com writes: You've covered both the hugh advantage of the net and the hugh disadvantage too. Someone much smarter than I said that home building should be fun, cautious but fun. If you worry about every little thing, it's no longer fun. Be careful, follow the book and the plans, and your airplane will be as good or as bad as Rand-Robinson intended it to be. And the KR's have been around a long time. What you read about the problems and the attempted fixes are great, everything can be improved. But take most things with a grain of salt and if they don't make sense and have not been tried over a period of time, leave the testing to the engineers. For newcomers like you and I, it can be pretty confusing to read all of the net's information (and misinformation) so pick and choose carefully what you believe. Heck, I'm still trying to figure out women! Have fun Bob ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Rudder trim tab. From: RFG842@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 11:04:02 EDT X-Message-Number: 8 Am adding a rudder trim tab. Anyone have a suggestion as to size. Had planned about 3 X 6". Elevator is 4 x 10" according to plans. Also, am useing the Lamb 1100 by 4 tires with cleveland brakes and could use a source for pants. Did not see anything is Aircraft Spruce that I liked. Tnks ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Rudder trim tab. From: EveninBrz@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 12:08:49 EDT X-Message-Number: 9 In a message dated 5/19/1999 8:43:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time, RFG842@aol.com writes: << Also, am useing the Lamb 1100 by 4 tires with cleveland brakes and could use a source for pants. Did not see anything is Aircraft Spruce that I liked. >> Is Mike Lamb still selling his tires? I didn't know he was still around. Do you know how to get in touch with him? I lost track of him years ago. Larry Shull EveninBrz@aol.com LarryShu@pacbell.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Building a Hanger From: "Jim Sellars" Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 14:55:36 -0300 X-Message-Number: 10 Send Me Some Info Keith; Regards Jim -----Original Message----- From: Keith Young To: KR-net users group Date: May 19, 1999 8:37 AM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Building a Hanger >I just finished building a 28 X 32 foot hanger. I used curved scissor >truss for the roof that I built from a jig that was temporarily buld >on the hanger floor. I have AUTOcad drawings of the structure that I >made to aid me in the construction. The doors are full width sliding >(autually on castors) and in four sections. If you are interested in >the drawings I have I would be glad to EMAIL them to you this coming >weekend. They can be easily modified to what ever size you desire. >If I can get hold of the company digtial camera I am willing to take >photos of my hanger and EMAIL them to you as well. > >>>> 05/18 8:15 PM >>> >I am in need of some information/ plans on a post and beam aircraft >hanger. >45 X 45 >Any ideas ? >Nick > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: keith.young@trin.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jsellars@mon.auracom.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: V-Tail KR's From: "Christopher Stewart" <23cs@msn.com> Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 11:48:31 X-Message-Number: 11 ive always liked the v-tailed aircraft, altough it has its drawsbacks, but otherwise there nice and clean, so what does everyone think about a v-tail kr?, think it will work?, im doing extensive research now on this subject and just want to get some input from the builders, modifers, and pilots, thanks Christopher Stewart N823CS KR-1XL Whitesville WV ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: kr1 plans and instructions From: "Bob Whisenant" Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 12:56:42 X-Message-Number: 12 I am trying to find a used set of kr1 plans and instructions for refrance to repair plane bpc@lcc.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: horizontal stab From: Bobby Muse Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 16:08:28 -0500 X-Message-Number: 13 At 06:59 PM 05/18/1999 -0700, you wrote: > >On Tue, 18 May 1999 17:30:24 -0400 Warron Gray >writes: >>> For all those non flying persons out there the cure works and the >aircraft >>> remains stable, the sensitivity will be there as long as the kr is is >close >>> coupled. Warron >> > >No doubt that a spring preload would help decrease the sensativity of the >plane and keep the elevator from wandering so much (like the aerobatic >map folding). That's why the GlasAirs are build with a centering spring >on the elevator. I have given some serious consideration to adding >centering springs to my KR for the same reason. It goes along ways >towards addressing the sensativity problem which is mostly a lack of feel >from the elevator. The springs add some feel to it. I haven't done it >because after so many hours, I don't even give the sensativity a second >thought the vast majority of the time. > >However, It isn't a cure all and doesn't completely address the pitch >stability problem which is due to an undersized horizontal stab. That is >why the GlasAirs extended the fuselage, then went to a 10' wide >horizontal stab. Although the GlasAir 1 stability is much better than my >KR, it is no where near stabile as a Super 2S model. An improvement to >the stability and sensativity would go along ways in avoiding first >flight accidents and incidents for the KR line. > >Before you poo poo others flying experience with "high performance >airplanes", we had all better start comparing log books. :o) > >Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM > As usual Jeff's right again. Also the Lancair is a pitch sensitive airplane as well and they used a centering spring/trim system similiar to the Glasairs. Like Jeff I thought long and hard about copying the Lancair system but why? The airplane(KR) flys great just the way it is as long as it's within the correct CG limits.. Bobby Muse mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Web Site Photos From: "RONALD R. EASON" Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 17:00:16 -0500 X-Message-Number: 14 I added comments under to photos on my web site at http://www.freeyellow.com/members6/krron/ KRRon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: The latest batch of Sport Aviation Articles. From: Donald Reid Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 18:01:24 -0400 X-Message-Number: 15 I have uploaded the latest batch of Sport Aviation articles. We are now up to May 1987, which is (in my opinion) the prettiest KR. Of course, mine will be even better, but I am not in the air yet. Enjoy. http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_SA.htm -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: V-Tail KR's From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 18:03:53 -0400 X-Message-Number: 16 At 11:48 AM 5/19/99, you wrote: >ive always liked the v-tailed aircraft, altough it has its drawsbacks, but >otherwise there nice and clean, so what does everyone think about a v-tail >kr?, think it will work?, im doing extensive research now on this subject >and just want to get some input from the builders, modifers, and pilots, > You should probably talk to Jim Davis of DA-2 fame. All his designs arre V-tail. He just reciently built a single place that flies with a V-twin Briggs and Straton Lawn mower engine. WD --------------------------------------------------------- Wayne DeLisle Sr. Charlotte, North Carolina USA mailto:dodger@accessnode.net (new address) mailto:dodger@coincidental.net (old address) http://accessnode.net/~dodger --------------------------------------------------------- Project Viking "Daring to venture forward from the Dark Ages" online FAQ/manual at http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: My New Web Site From: "Austin and Connie Clark" Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 17:23:41 -0500 X-Message-Number: 17 Impressive! I am thinking of building a dual stick and the picture of yours is worth a thousand words! Austin Clark KR2S Pascagoula, MS www.datasync.com/~itac/ ----- Original Message ----- From: RONALD R. EASON To: KR-net users group Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 10:53 PM Subject: [kr-net] My New Web Site > If anyone wishes to see some photo,s of my project check out the address > below. It's a start. > KRRon > > http://www.freeyellow.com/members6/krron/ > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: itac@datasync.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: The latest batch of Sport Aviation Articles. From: EveninBrz@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 21:19:11 EDT X-Message-Number: 18 In a message dated 5/19/1999 3:39:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, donreid@erols.com writes: << I have uploaded the latest batch of Sport Aviation articles. We are now up to May 1987, which is (in my opinion) the prettiest KR. Of course, mine will be even better, but I am not in the air yet. >> I feel that I owe you and have no way of paying. I've printed every one of them for refrence and safe keeping. Once again, Thank You from the bottom of my heart. Larry Shull EveninBrz@aol.com LarryShu@pacbell.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: My New Web Site From: Kimball Anderson Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 20:56:12 -0400 X-Message-Number: 19 Good pictures! -----Original Message----- From: RONALD R EASON To: KR-net users group Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 11:54 PM Subject: [kr-net] My New Web Site >If anyone wishes to see some photo,s of my project check out the address >below. It's a start. >KRRon > >http://www.freeyellow.com/members6/krron/ > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: isleno@hargray.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Lamb From: RFG842@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 22:12:00 EDT X-Message-Number: 20 Bought my tires from Wicks. Don't know the source but mabey they can tell you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Quick fasteners From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 22:19:43 -0700 X-Message-Number: 21 On Wed, 19 May 1999 06:11:58 PDT "Oscar Zuniga" writes: >Hello, netters > >In looking at the various quick fasteners in the catalogs last night, there >seems to be a large price difference between the Southco style and the other >two (Dzus and Camloc). Anybody have any negatives with the Southco style, >which the catalogs say are the type used on Cessnas? I know we're not >talking a huge amount of money anyway, but just wondering why the big >discrepancy. And what about the "special tools" needed for these puppies? >A guy could spend a bunch of money on the tools; way more than the total >cost of the fasteners. Again another reason for going with the Southco, >which needs almost no special tools if I'm looking at it right. > >Thanks. > >Oscar Zuniga >Medford, Oregon >website at http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/ > I don't know about the Southco fasteners, but the tools they sell for the Camloc fasteners are unneeded. I used camlocs and am happy with them. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213w construction and first flight at http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com