From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Saturday, May 29, 1999 12:14 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: May 28, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Friday, May 28, 1999. 1. KR Video 2. Re: Which KR (Which PLANE?!?!) 3. Re: VW engines reply! 4. Control surface bolt access covers 5. Which KR (Which PLANE?!?!) 6. Re: Control surface bolt access covers 7. SuperFil 8. Re: KR Video 9. Engine Mounts 10. Re: Control surface bolt access covers 11. Re: Control surface bolt access covers 12. Continental cowl 13. Re: Engine Mounts 14. Hoop Pine 15. Re: Continental cowl 16. Re: Which KR (Which PLANE?!?!) 17. Welcome new KR-netters! (424 Members so far!) 18. Warped Ailerons (N541RY) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KR Video From: Jim Faughn Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 06:16:17 -0500 X-Message-Number: 1 Did anyone ever get a video from last years gathering? -- Jim Faughn N8931JF St. Louis, MO (314) 652-7659 or Cell (314) 346-4038 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Which KR (Which PLANE?!?!) From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 06:24:10 -0500 X-Message-Number: 2 I'm pretty convinced that the Sonex is well designed and must fly very well.......... but, as far as I'm concerned, it sure has a bad case of the uglies. And I believe John use to teach art before he built his first plane (I think it was a modified Jeanie's Teenie). Ed J. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Taglieri To: KR-net users group Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 11:33 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Which KR (Which PLANE?!?!) >>> I'm seriously considering building a KR but a bit in the dark which >to >>> choose. I believe the KR1 would too small since I'm over six feet and >>> two hundred pounds. The KR2S appeals to me from the little info I have >>> and I like the thought of taking a passenger or luggage on cross >country >>> flights.Also I would appreciate comments on the north plains rear >drive >>> system. Any input good and bad on engine size,retractable gear, tri >gear >>> or tail dragger would help a lot. I own a plane now but I would like >>> build my own Thank you > >I've been reluctant to bring up heresy on this list, but has anyone here >seen the stories in Sports Aviation and EAA Experimenter about the Sonex, >John Monett's new, all metal (pop-riveted) side-by-side two-seater that >you can build from scratch with their super-detailed plans or buy >quickbuild parts? I have to say, the idea of buying plans designed by a >guy who knew exactly what he was doing and lived to refine his designs is >extremely tempting, especially since with the cost of hangars around >here, I live I'd always have to keep a plane out in the rain and snow. >They're claiming $10,000 for the basic tailwheel, VW version and they >claim you can build the thing in a 6x16-foot space. I have to admit, I'm >starting to be glad that lady on Staten Island sold her project to >somebody else. www.vbe.com/~sonex if you want to see more. > >Mike Taglieri > >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: ejanssen@chipsnet.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: VW engines reply! From: "Paulo Sergio Molan" Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 08:43:39 -0300 X-Message-Number: 3 -----Mensagem original----- De: Mike Mims Para: KR-net users group Data: Sexta-feira, 28 de Maio de 1999 02:14 Assunto: [kr-net] VW engines >Does anyone know what kind of torque the 2180 is putting out and at what >RPM? I saw kitplanes april 1999 engines directory, 2180 from Great Plains aircraft : 76 hp at 3400 rpm, torque 124ft.-lb. at 3150 rpm. I have the same engine in my KR 2S with150 hours since july 1998, and feel the engine runs very smooth only after reaching 3000 rpm . best 3100 rpm. I didnt reach more rpm because the excellente propeller 54x47 form Props inc. is too much for my ponies. molan@starnet.com.br > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >Filling and Sanding again! >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >http://members.home.com/mikemims/ >Aliso Viejo CA >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: molan@starnet.com.br >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Control surface bolt access covers From: RFG842@aol.com Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 08:32:32 EDT X-Message-Number: 4 Has anyone come up with a fix to cover up the bolt access holes in the control surfaces? After stareing at the rudder access holes, I thought I would use a piece of thin alum, notched for the hinges and bent around the leading edge to the spar on both sides. With a couple of small truss head screws on both sides it would eliminate some air interuption and cover up the holes. Anyone with a better fix?? Tnks Bob ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Which KR (Which PLANE?!?!) From: "Oscar Zuniga" Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 05:44:31 PDT X-Message-Number: 5 Mike T wrote: >I've been reluctant to bring up heresy on this list, >but has anyone here seen the stories in Sports Aviation >and EAA Experimenter about the Sonex More heresy; since it's open line Friday... the Sonex builders' mail list and archives are available at http://www.onelist.com/viewarchive.cgi?listname=sonexbuilders and one of the builders' websites is at http://members.tripod.com/vondane/ Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon website at http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/ _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Control surface bolt access covers From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 09:04:05 EDT X-Message-Number: 6 In a message dated 5/28/99 8:33:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RFG842@aol.com writes: << After stareing at the rudder access holes, I thought I would use a piece of thin alum, notched for the hinges and bent around the leading edge to the spar on both sides. With a couple of small truss head screws on both sides it would eliminate some air interuption and cover up the holes. Anyone with a better fix?? >> Go find your local continuous gutter man and pick up a couple pieces of the white flat gutter stock. He will give you his trash. Simple cut to size, cut two slots to your hinge thickness and bend around the area you want to cover. It forms the perfect contour. You can attach it several different ways, such as nut plates on the inside. Works great, give it a try. Dana Overall 1999 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanveral/Hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: SuperFil From: "Oscar Zuniga" Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 06:46:15 PDT X-Message-Number: 7 Eduardo wrote: >I´m interesed in Super Fill. Where do you buy it and how much >did you pay? It's available through Aircraft Spruce and Wicks, plus direct from the manufacturer. I got mine from Aircraft Spruce, paid $121.45 plus shipping for the 3-gallon kit. Price seems to be about the same everywhere. There is also a quart kit available, but that seems to be the amount needed for a repair or modification, not a whole airplane project. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon website at http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/ _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR Video From: "Bob Vermeulen" Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 14:44:20 -0400 X-Message-Number: 8 ---------- > From: Jim Faughn > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] KR Video > Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 7:16 AM > > Did anyone ever get a video from last years gathering? > > -- > Jim Faughn N8931JF > St. Louis, MO > (314) 652-7659 or Cell (314) 346-4038 > Hey Jim and KRNet friends, The KR video is just about done. The first half is already on the master tape and I hope to complete it during the first week in June. For those who don't know, I've had a major problem with my editing system that has prevented me from editing large projects. (more than 20 minutes in length) Short projects, which my business mainly consists of, has not been affected. I haven't forgotten about you all. It's just too bad that I couldn't gotten it out sooner. It'll still be a great motivational tool for you guys who are stuck and haven't done any work for the past 30 days. More details will be coming, hopefully next weekend. I hate sanding:) Video Bob ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Engine Mounts From: EveninBrz@aol.com Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 15:22:03 EDT X-Message-Number: 9 Is there anyone out there that can send me the dimensions for the O-200 engine mount? I'm not talking about the little rubber peices but the "ears" that the rubber pieces go on. I need to know the vertical and horizontal spacing that an engine mount would have to be built to. Larry Shull EveninBrz@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Control surface bolt access covers From: Warron Gray Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 16:17:51 -0400 X-Message-Number: 10 We 3 here in florida are using the same idea for the access covers works well all the time in use but use very thin alum. Warron RFG842@aol.com wrote: > Has anyone come up with a fix to cover up the bolt access holes in the > control surfaces? > > After stareing at the rudder access holes, I thought I would use a piece of > thin alum, notched for the hinges and bent around the leading edge to the > spar on both sides. With a couple of small truss head screws on both sides > it would eliminate some air interuption and cover up the holes. > > Anyone with a better fix?? > > Tnks Bob > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: WARRONG@BELLSOUTH.NET > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Control surface bolt access covers From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 15:02:10 -0700 X-Message-Number: 11 On Fri, 28 May 1999 08:32:32 EDT RFG842@aol.com writes: >Has anyone come up with a fix to cover up the bolt access holes in the > >control surfaces? > >After stareing at the rudder access holes, I thought I would use a piece of >thin alum, notched for the hinges and bent around the leading edge to the >spar on both sides. With a couple of small truss head screws on both sides >it would eliminate some air interuption and cover up the holes. > >Anyone with a better fix?? > >Tnks Bob > I eliminated the bolts. To do that I use a 3/16 steel rod inserted from the top of the rudder going through all of the hinges and ending against a small plate in the bottom of the rudder. Then I screw on a simple very small aluminum cap to cover the access on the top of the rudder. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213w construction and first flight at http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Continental cowl From: "Terry Adair" Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 16:42:14 X-Message-Number: 12 Does anybody know if rand robinson sells a premolded cowl for a continental? Thanks Jeff for all other advice Terry Adair-- Melbourne Australia ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Engine Mounts From: Donald Reid Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 20:47:41 -0400 X-Message-Number: 13 EveninBrz@aol.com wrote: > > Is there anyone out there that can send me the dimensions for the O-200 > engine mount? I'm not talking about the little rubber peices but the "ears" > that the rubber pieces go on. If you mean the bosses that are the mounting points at the back of the engine, my reference says that the upper are 7.0 inches apart horizontally and the lower are 10.5 inches apart horizontally. They are 11.56 inches apart vertically. These dimensions are center-to-center. -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Hoop Pine From: "Terry Adair" Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 18:13:45 X-Message-Number: 14 Information on aviation grade hoop pine available in Australia. Moisture content----10-13% Density --------- 550 kgs M3 Compression Parallel to grain---57MPa Modules of Rupture----100MPa Modules of Elasticity--13770 MPs Density is is about 18% greater than Spruce or about the same as Douglas Fir.At the same time,it is about 20% stronger than Spruce.It is also some 14% stronger than aircraft grade aluminium(or aluminum),with respect to strength to weight ratio. For anyone interested, the price may work out competitive as the Aust$$ is around US .65 cents Terry Adair-- Melbourne, Australia. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Continental cowl From: Mike Mims Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 18:36:38 -0700 X-Message-Number: 15 Terry Adair wrote: > > Does anybody know if rand robinson sells a premolded > cowl for a continental? I believe the KR2S cowl will fit the O-200. The KR2S cowl is by far the best looking cowl ever made for the KR series. It looks a lot like the Revmaster cowl that's on Troy Peteways KR. I think Roy Marshs had the same cowling. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Which KR (Which PLANE?!?!) From: "Andy" Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 18:40:54 -0700 X-Message-Number: 16 Following message string below: I Have been fascinated with the KR since high school. Finally got to help a friend with his project and found a violent reaction to the sanding dust on my skin...felt like the flu in my lungs (yep, wore a paint respirator) and knew I didn't want to gamble on composites. So . . . . bought the plans for the Sonex. Pros: 100 PAGES of well developed plans! ALL email, phonecalls, and faxes returned--immediately! (Jeremy Monnett usually answers the phone). A couple of good web sites developing. Expensive plans ($600) includes 2 day builders workshop. Honest plansbuilt plane. Cons: Ugly! but it is growing on me :) No history of 1000's flying, although John Monnett has a great reputation for not exaggerating. 200lb firewall foward engine limits engine choices. Slooooowwww compared to the faster KR's out there. Only 3 flying now, and NO Media flight reports out. My Aircraft mentor has Several Midget Mustangs and Kr 1's and 2's tto his credit, and he helped me pick out the Sonex after I worked on the Kr at one of his hangers. I'll let you know as the building progresses, and I am learning more from this list and the Vw list and hope you guys do'nt mind me lurking! Thanks, Andy From: Ed Janssen Subject: [kr-net] Re: Which KR (Which PLANE?!?!) >I'm pretty convinced that the Sonex is well designed and must fly very >well.......... but, as far as I'm concerned, it sure has a bad case of the >uglies. And I believe John use to teach art before he built his first plane >Ed J. >From: Michael Taglieri >Subject: [kr-net] Re: Which KR (Which PLANE?!?!) > > >>>> I'm seriously considering building a KR but a bit in the dark which >>to >>>> choose. I believe the KR1 would too small since I'm over six feet and >>>> two hundred pounds. >>I've been reluctant to bring up heresy on this list, but has anyone here >>seen the stories in Sports Aviation and EAA Experimenter about the Sonex, >>John Monett's new, all metal (pop-riveted) side-by-side two-seater that >>you can build from scratch with their super-detailed plans or buy >>quickbuild parts? I have to say, the idea of buying plans designed by a >>guy who knew exactly what he was doing and lived to refine his designs is >>extremely temptingwww.vbe.com/~sonex if you want to see more. >> >>Mike Taglieri > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Welcome new KR-netters! (424 Members so far!) From: Ross Youngblood Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 21:24:33 -0700 X-Message-Number: 17 I finally got some spare time and subscribed several KR-netters who had used the Web form on my page to join. I have finally updated this link and it now should point to the Lyris subscription page. This means that I no longer have any manual email subscription duties to get people on the list! (Yea for me!) ** Unsubscribing ** I get occasional requests to unsubscribe folks. Here is a hint. At the bottom of **EVERY** krnet email (yes even this one), are instructions on how YOU can unsubscribe yourself. If this doesn't work, email one of the folks below. I have to thank our List admins out there who have been approving new members for me while I have been out and about. If you have any problems here are the email addresses to use: krnet@krnet.org (Official email address, checked infrequently) rossy@teleport.com (My personal email address, checked nearly daily) mailto:brianbland@netzero.net -- Brian J bland mailto:doug_peyton@hotmail.com -- Doug Peyton mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com -- Jeff Scott mailto:taildrags@hotmail.com -- Oscar Zuniga I have to say I'm indebted to Brian, Doug, Jeff and Oscar for their help in the last few months. I have been out of town so much in this time that without them, we would have had NO list services at all! This is a member supported list, and without everyone's support I couldn't keep it going. For those that have mailed checks, you may have noted that it takes several weeks for a check to clear... that is because I'm so busy, they often end up piled up, so actually random checks are harder for me to deal with then if we tried to just do a whinefest late in June. I will try to email Teleport (our TERRIFIC ISP), and get them to let us know early what our billing will be for the next year. We have gotten some terrific savings by purchasing annually and moving over to Lyris early, so I fear a minor increase in ISP fees. Also the $50/yr fee for the "krnet.org" domain name comes due this year. So I will be filling folks in in the coming weeks about the financial situation as I discover it. (I think we are paid till September, but I might be off by a month). - Regards Ross (Your Humble, and frequently absent list admin) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Warped Ailerons (N541RY) From: Ross Youngblood Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 21:39:06 -0700 X-Message-Number: 18 Hello everyone! I have been getting the index for so long, I have really been on the "outside" of the KR-net list. I just changed back to individual emails and hope to start posting like crazy soon. You may have noticed the 10 per day email limit on posts to KR-net. If you see me hitting 10 emails/day you will know I'm back for real. I had my KR out at another hangar which was supposed to help me work on the project over the winter... big mistake. Yesterday after the monthly EAA meeting where folks hadn't seen me for months, a friend and I pushed a large 337 out of the way to get my project out of the heated group hangar, and back to my nice cozy hangar. This was an effort to support the local FBO which didn't quite work out for me. You should have seen the two of us trying to man-handle the Cessna 337. If you are unfamiliar with these they are large push-pull twin engine aircraft with an engine in front and an engine in the rear. After we pushed the left nav light into the hanger door, and recieved the nice "crunch" sound, we new we were making progress. I will let everyone know what the bill was later. After pushing tugging and pulling the 337, moving the KR was like pushing a baby carrage. Over the spring months, the only work I did was to put the words "Experimental" on the plane, and work on the engine baffeling. Work keeps getting in the way, but I will eventually win! My big problem now is my ailerons... they are WARPED! I believe this is due to improper storage unattached from the wing spars/hinges over the last 3-4 years or so. I am debating trying to recover without building new ailerons, but I think that will eventually be the cure. I think I can probably build another set in the time I will spend working to finish these, so I probably will order the spars in two weeks when I get some $$$. If anyone has a KR-2 cowling (Great Planes VW), let me know, I will be messing with dry micro this weekend, but may eventually give up on my Lumpy Special Cowling project. If anyone is thinking about starting a KR-project, I'd say go for it. You don't get anywhere fast if your standing still. I'm in the middle of the 11th year on this sucker, and if I have to crawl along another 10 years I'm going to see this bird fly. Actually, I should be taxi testing soon. I did the plumbing for the Wings and Fuel senders last month, so now it's cowling and baffeling so I can scare folks on the ramp. -- Regards Ross --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com