From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 12:15 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: June 08, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Tuesday, June 08, 1999. 1. Re: Progress report. 2. lost address 3. Landing gear 4. system check 5. Re: lost address 6. Re: Re: Re: retract gear on the KR-2S 7. spruce properties 8. lost address - now found 9. Re: lost address 10. Re: Landing gear 11. Re: lost address 12. KR Newsletter 13. Re: spruce properties 14. Re: new builder questions 15. wich belt 16. Re: Landing gear 17. Let the building begin 18. Re: Let the building begin 19. New KRnet member questions 20. Re: Let the building begin 21. lost address 22. Re: wich belt 23. Re: New KRnet member questions 24. Re: Let the building begin 25. Re: wich belt 26. Re: Let the building begin 27. Re: Let the building begin 28. Re: Re: Re: retract gear on the KR-2S 29. Re: Let the building begin 30. Re: wich belt 31. Re: New KRnet member questions ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Progress report. From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 07:10:24 EDT X-Message-Number: 1 In a message dated 6/7/99 8:25:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 emiglesias@cpenet.com.ar writes: << Perhaps I don't understand the change that you need make on the aft outhe= r spar, but it would=B4t be easy to conserve the spars and to make new WAF? I suppose that, if what changes is the relative position of the outher spar with regard to the central one, it gets ready with new WAF. If I make a mistake tell it to me, since I plan to change the incidence at 1=B0 and I already have placed the WAF. If you change the position of the holes that unites both WAF, I believe tha= t you can change the position of the whole spar. Or not? Regards Eduardo >> The only reason I built a new aft spar was I was changing the angle of the=20 forward swept to accommodate the new skins. If you were simply changing the=20 incidence on your aft center spar alone, there is no need in repositioning=20 the aft WAFs on either the center or outer spars, leave them as they are. A= s=20 you can see guys, it's really simple (KISS) to remove some of that gosh awfu= l=20 3 1/2 degrees of incidence. I could have made, or had made, new aft WAF and repositioned the attachment=20 holes to match the existing outer spar WAF but believe me, building a new=20 spar and redrilling it using a jig is a whole lot easier than making a set o= f=20 WAFs and drilling those suckers. =20 Dana Overall 1999 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ =20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: lost address From: "w.g. kirkland" Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:13:36 -0400 X-Message-Number: 2 I've misplaced or deleted the address of the kr builder who is building a retract trike with dual controls and maintains a web site with about 23 pictures of his project. I really like the dual stick setup and need more info than I can get from the picture. Would someone be good enough to provide me with his name and address. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Landing gear From: g hamilton Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 13:56:44 -0700 X-Message-Number: 3 Can someone help me out with the location of the landing gear with = respect to the front face to the forward spar on a tail dragger? = According to Ladislao Pazmany landing gear design, the main gear should = contact the ground at least 15 degrees ahead of the most forward cg with = a/c in level attitude. What are some of the dimensions from the spar to = c/l of axle? Is this the same with the retract vs DanD fixed gear? Thanks for any help. Gary Hamilton Georgetown, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: system check From: donald.norris@natinst.com Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 14:38:12 -0500 X-Message-Number: 4 Just a check of the system, no email all day. -Donald 38TF ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: lost address From: "RONALD R.EASON" Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 14:51:48 -0700 X-Message-Number: 5 At 11:13 AM 6/8/99 -0400, you wrote: >I've misplaced or deleted the address of the kr builder who is building a >retract trike with dual controls and maintains a web site with about 23 >pictures of his project. I really like the dual stick setup and need more >info than I can get from the picture. Would someone be good enough to >provide me with his name and address. > Ron Eason ( KRRon) 7333 N.Brooklyn Kansas City, MO.64118-2329 Phone 816-468-4425 e-mail jrlkc@mindspring.com and Business Web Site with Avation Products http//www.jrl-engineering.com KR Project Web Site http//www.freeyellow/members6/krron ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Re: Re: retract gear on the KR-2S From: KRkip@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 15:58:01 EDT X-Message-Number: 6 In a message dated 6/8/99 1:26:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, idrawtobuild@juno.com writes: << Well, I thought I'd lose 5 to 7 mph. I was wrong. 18 mph. I'm very sure that the clam shell design I have will realy help the performance. > I have a standard KR2 that i have been flying for 11years and i have the original retract gear that has been modified with full clamshellgear doors and they really do make a lot of difference. Kip ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: spruce properties From: Tobin Dunham Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 13:11:26 PDT X-Message-Number: 7 I seem to have misplaced (or lost) my library of reference materials. Does anyone know the design tensile strength of aircraft grade sitka spruce? How about weight? Thanks, Toby Dunham Houston, TX _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: lost address - now found From: Richard Parker Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 13:15:33 PDT X-Message-Number: 8 http://www.freeyellow.com/members6/krron/ >From: "w.g. kirkland" >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" >To: "KR-net users group" >Subject: [kr-net] lost address >Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:13:36 -0400 > >I've misplaced or deleted the address of the kr builder who is building a >retract trike with dual controls and maintains a web site with about 23 >pictures of his project. I really like the dual stick setup and need more >info than I can get from the picture. Would someone be good enough to >provide me with his name and address. > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: richontheroad@hotmail.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: lost address From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 18:01:32 -0400 X-Message-Number: 9 At 11:13 AM 6/8/99 -0400, you wrote: >I've misplaced or deleted the address of the kr builder who is building a >retract trike with dual controls and maintains a web site with about 23 >pictures of his project. I really like the dual stick setup and need more >info than I can get from the picture. Would someone be good enough to >provide me with his name and address. I believe you want KRron. "RONALD R.EASON" His web page is at: www.freeyellow.com/members6/krron/ He has an interesting project there. WD --------------------------------------------------------- Wayne DeLisle Sr. Charlotte, North Carolina USA mailto:dodger@accessnode.net (new address) mailto:dodger@coincidental.net (old address) http://accessnode.net/~dodger --------------------------------------------------------- Project Viking "Daring to venture forward from the Dark Ages" online FAQ/manual at http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Landing gear From: Mike Mims Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 15:13:32 -0700 X-Message-Number: 10 g hamilton wrote: > > Can someone help me out with the location of the landing gear with respect to the front face to the forward spar on a tail dragger? >>> What you should do if you plan to build your own gear is use the Pazmany landing gear design criteria. The gear on the stock Rand or Dan Diehl gear is not as far forward as it should be if built to plans. Thats to say if you set the CG on the plane to fly right it will alomst be too nose heavy when sitting on the ground. Good Luck! BYW, I think the Rand and or Diehl gear put the CL of the axel somewhere between 4 and 5 inches in front of the main spar front face. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: lost address From: "Austin and Connie Clark" Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:18:04 -0500 X-Message-Number: 11 > I've misplaced or deleted the address of the kr builder who is building a > retract trike with dual controls and maintains a web site with about 23 > pictures of his project. I really like the dual stick setup and need more > info than I can get from the picture. Would someone be good enough to > provide me with his name and address. > His web address is http://www.freeyellow.com/members6/krron/ Austin Clark ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KR Newsletter From: FLYKR2S@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 18:44:08 EDT X-Message-Number: 12 Has anyone received their copy of the May newsletter? I haven't and was just wondering. Thanks, Mark Jones (N886MJ) Waukesha, WI flykr2s@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: spruce properties From: Donald Reid Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 20:04:35 -0400 X-Message-Number: 13 Tobin Dunham wrote: > > I seem to have misplaced (or lost) my library of reference materials. Does > anyone know the design tensile strength of aircraft grade sitka spruce? How > about weight? From ANC-18 sitka spruce (picea sitchensis) average weight at 15 percent moisture 28 lb/ft^3 static bending proportional limit 5,300 psi modulus of rupture 9,400 psi modulus of elasticity 1,380 ksi compression parallel to grain proportional limit 3,530 psi max crush strength 4,700 psi compression perpendicular to grain 740 psi shear strength parallel to grain 990 psi tensile strength parallel to grain 9,400 psi tensile strength perpendicular to grain 170 psi -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: new builder questions From: EveninBrz@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 20:02:30 EDT X-Message-Number: 14 In a message dated 6/7/1999 8:32:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time, rossy@teleport.com writes: << There are some newsletter back issues that show methods for cutting the original canopy to make it a gull wing/windshield combination (I think). >> I know that there were articles describing how to build a gull wing canopy, I've read them. The problem is where and how do you get back issues of the newsletter? Larry Shull ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: wich belt From: "Eduardo Iglesias" Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:24:06 -0300 X-Message-Number: 15 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01BEB1F5.3D72F340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Since in Argentina it is almost impossible that the subsidiary of Gates = informs me which belt has to use for a reduction gear of 80 hp, 270 mm = among axes, 1,8 : 1 rate and with a security factor of 1,5, it is = possible that some in the net has the information? Or at least, what = width has a belt for that power? Here, Gates informed me that it should use a jagged belt with = trapezoidal teeth 14 mm deep, when what I see in all the pictures is = belts with round teeth of about 8 mm.=20 Eduardo ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01BEB1F5.3D72F340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Since in Argentina it is almost = impossible that=20 the subsidiary of Gates informs me which belt has to use for a reduction = gear of=20 80 hp, 270 mm among axes, 1,8 : 1 rate and with a  security factor = of 1,5,=20 it is possible that some in the net has the information?  Or at = least, what=20 width has a belt for that power?
Here, Gates informed me that it = should use a=20 jagged belt with trapezoidal teeth 14 mm deep, when what I see in all = the=20 pictures is belts with round teeth of about 8 mm.
Eduardo
------=_NextPart_000_007B_01BEB1F5.3D72F340-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Landing gear From: "Tom Andersen" Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 20:55:31 -0400 X-Message-Number: 16 Hi Mike, My Diehle gear places the axles 7" forward of the main spar front face. I measured it with a square held on the front face with the 90deg leg held at the axle center point. I was planning on moving that another 1.5" further forward by shimming the lower edge of the gear bracket out about 1/2" but I haven't heard a single complaint about the Diehle axle location, only the stock retract axle location. Dave Blucher's KR-2S with an EA-81 NSI conversion (gear redrive) still has 60lbs on the tail wheel empty and 8 gal fuel, and that figure probably triples with two people in it so I'm going to just bolt on the Diehle gear the way it is. -Tom DDTS EA-81 (once again) http://www.t-three.com/200MPH/engines.htm -----Original Message----- From: Mike Mims To: KR-net users group Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 8:25 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Landing gear >g hamilton wrote: >> >> Can someone help me out with the location of the landing gear with respect to the front face to the forward spar on a tail dragger? >>> > > >What you should do if you plan to build your own gear is use the Pazmany >landing gear design criteria. The gear on the stock Rand or Dan Diehl >gear is not as far forward as it should be if built to plans. Thats to >say if you set the CG on the plane to fly right it will alomst be too >nose heavy when sitting on the ground. Good Luck! > >BYW, I think the Rand and or Diehl gear put the CL of the axel somewhere >between 4 and 5 inches in front of the main spar front face. > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >Filling and Sanding again! >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >http://members.home.com/mikemims/ >Aliso Viejo CA >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: tomkr2s@t-three.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Let the building begin From: SClay10106@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 20:56:51 EDT X-Message-Number: 17 I purchased my kr-1 about 2 months ago i will be getting the plans this weekend and i am really looking 4ward to building and flying. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Let the building begin From: "Tom Andersen" Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:52:03 -0400 X-Message-Number: 18 Congratulations. What stage is it in? -Tom -----Original Message----- From: SClay10106@aol.com To: KR-net users group Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 9:00 PM Subject: [kr-net] Let the building begin >I purchased my kr-1 about 2 months ago i will be getting the plans this >weekend and i am really looking 4ward to building and flying. > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: tomkr2s@t-three.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: New KRnet member questions From: "Gregory K. Harris" Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:16:16 X-Message-Number: 19 Greetings to all. I have been on KRnet for about 2 weeks now and I am very pleased with the professionalism and camaraderie displayed. That is why I decided to post. I am a long way off from builing a KR2S, but it is definetly the plane I am going to build. I think my questions can be answered here. My main issue is about obtaining materials. I have heard a lot discussion on getting specific materials kits (i.e., wood, foam, etc.) from different sources. What I am wondering is, how the majority of people are obtaining their supplies. For example, are most people just getting the plans from Rand Robinson and then getting sub-kits from different suppliers and then ordering specific parts (canopy, landing gear)? It seems that most people are staying away from RR Group packages. It also seems that some people are sort of half plans building/half kit building their KRs. What should I expect when I start this project? What seems to be the best way to obtain the specific materials kits? Any recommendations that you might have would be greatly appreciated. I would also like to say that my plan-of-action is to get the plans to the KR2S and study them for several months before I start construction. During those months I also plan to attend a few workshops. Has anyone attended these and are they worth it for the KR process? Thanks for any help and sorry if I've brought up a bunch of dead issues. Sincerely, Greg Harris ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Let the building begin From: SClay10106@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:21:52 EDT X-Message-Number: 20 when i purchaseds it it was 70 percent complete. I need to finish the wings, engine, front cowling, and turtle deck. it already looks like a plane still much work to be done ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: lost address From: "w.g. kirkland" Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 00:02:25 -0400 X-Message-Number: 21 Thanks guys. Ron Eason and a few others sent me his address. kirkland@vianet.on.ca ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: wich belt From: John Bryhan Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 22:10:11 -0600 X-Message-Number: 22 --------------82A89B9541475B2D2138083C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eduardo Iglesias wrote: > Since in Argentina it is almost impossible that the subsidiary of > Gates informs me which belt has to use for a reduction gear of 80 hp, > 270 mm among axes, 1,8 : 1 rate and with a security factor of 1,5, it > is possible that some in the net has the information? Or at least, > what width has a belt for that power? > Here, Gates informed me that it should use a jagged belt with > trapezoidal teeth 14 mm deep, when what I see in all the pictures is > belts with round teeth of about 8 mm.Eduardo Eduardo - I've got a 100+ EA81 Subaru and my belt is 285mm wide. I can't read the manufacturer but they are in Stafford Ontario (Canada) There is also "Sure Grip HTD 800 8M 85" on there. It came with my Reductions Inc. belt drive I can't find his web page but here's the address and phone Number - His name is Dave Johnson Reductions, Inc. Box 16, Group 15, RR1 Dugald, Manitoba R0E 0K0 Canada (204) 853-7998 jeb@thuntek.net http://thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm --------------82A89B9541475B2D2138083C Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eduardo Iglesias wrote:
 Since in Argentina it is almost impossible that the subsidiary of Gates informs me which belt has to use for a reduction gear of 80 hp, 270 mm among axes, 1,8 : 1 rate and with a  security factor of 1,5, it is possible that some in the net has the information?  Or at least, what width has a belt for that power?
Here, Gates informed me that it should use a jagged belt with trapezoidal teeth 14 mm deep, when what I see in all the pictures is belts with round teeth of about 8 mm.Eduardo
Eduardo -
  I've got a 100+ EA81 Subaru and my belt is 285mm wide.  I can't read the manufacturer but they are in Stafford Ontario (Canada)
There is also "Sure Grip HTD 800 8M 85" on there.  It came with my Reductions Inc.  belt drive

I can't find his web page but here's the address and phone Number  - His name is Dave Johnson
Reductions, Inc.
Box 16, Group 15, RR1
Dugald, Manitoba
R0E 0K0 Canada

(204) 853-7998

jeb@thuntek.net      http://thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm
  --------------82A89B9541475B2D2138083C-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: New KRnet member questions From: John Bryhan Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 22:21:03 -0600 X-Message-Number: 23 "Gregory K. Harris" wrote: > Greetings to all. I have been on KRnet for about 2 weeks now and I am > very pleased with the professionalism and camaraderie displayed. That is > why I decided to post. > > I am a long way off from builing a KR2S, but it is definetly the plane I > am going to build. I think my questions can be answered here. My main > issue is about obtaining materials. I have heard a lot discussion on > getting specific materials kits (i.e., wood, foam, etc.) from different > sources. What I am wondering is, how the majority of people are obtaining > their supplies. For example, are most people just getting the plans from > Rand Robinson and then getting sub-kits from different suppliers and then > ordering specific parts (canopy, landing gear)? It seems that most people > are staying away from RR Group packages. It also seems that some people > are sort of half plans building/half kit building their KRs. What should > I expect when I start this project? What seems to be the best way to > obtain > the specific materials kits? > > Any recommendations that you might have would be greatly appreciated. I > would also like to say that my plan-of-action is to get the plans to the > KR2S and study them for several months before I start construction. > During > those months I also plan to attend a few workshops. Has anyone attended > these and are they worth it for the KR process? > > Thanks for any help and sorry if I've brought up a bunch of dead issues. > > Sincerely, > > Greg Harris > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jeb@thuntek.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com Greg - That's the usual way it works. Study them plans for a month or so, then but the spruce kit - In the last couple of weeks we've seen pros and cons of AS&S vrs Wicks and those specialty wood companies... I personally got my wood from Wicks about 5 1/2 years ago. (!!!) Jeanette Rand suggested I contact them to get the wood. I think mainly 'cause she didn't (doesn't) do Visa or MasterCard . Some people build to plans and stick to them very closely - others change things a bit some people buy the Kits others have less money and decide to build all their fiberglass parts. The canopy issue is another matter of taste and $$$ - I've seen the gull wing with a windshield, a sliding canopy, side hinged and front hinged. Many are using the Dragon Fly canopy, it's a bit cheaper and will fit KR2 even after widening the fuselage out to around 42" It is 1/16" thinner than the Rand Robinson one. Glad to have you with us - ask as many questions as you want. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Let the building begin From: Mike Mims Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 21:31:06 -0700 X-Message-Number: 24 SClay10106@aol.com wrote: > > when i purchaseds it it was 70 percent complete. I need to finish the wings, > engine, front cowling, and turtle deck. it already looks like a plane still > much work to be done>>>>> You seriously need to retract that last statement to read that it was 49% complete when you bought it and from here on out never ever mention it was more than that to anyone else. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: wich belt From: "Rick Hubka" Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:43:17 -0600 X-Message-Number: 25 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01BEB200.4D194B40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Reductions, Inc. Web Site is http://www.mts.net/~davejohn/index.html ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Bryhan=20 To: KR-net users group=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 10:10 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: wich belt Eduardo Iglesias wrote:=20 Since in Argentina it is almost impossible that the subsidiary of = Gates informs me which belt has to use for a reduction gear of 80 hp, = 270 mm among axes, 1,8 : 1 rate and with a security factor of 1,5, it = is possible that some in the net has the information? Or at least, what = width has a belt for that power?=20 Here, Gates informed me that it should use a jagged belt with = trapezoidal teeth 14 mm deep, when what I see in all the pictures is = belts with round teeth of about 8 mm.Eduardo Eduardo -=20 I've got a 100+ EA81 Subaru and my belt is 285mm wide. I can't read = the manufacturer but they are in Stafford Ontario (Canada)=20 There is also "Sure Grip HTD 800 8M 85" on there. It came with my = Reductions Inc. belt drive=20 I can't find his web page but here's the address and phone Number - = His name is Dave Johnson=20 Reductions, Inc.=20 Box 16, Group 15, RR1=20 Dugald, Manitoba=20 R0E 0K0 Canada=20 (204) 853-7998=20 jeb@thuntek.net http://thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm=20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01BEB200.4D194B40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 
 
Reductions, Inc.    Web Site = is
 
http://www.mts.net/~dave= john/index.html
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 John = Bryhan
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 = 10:10=20 PM
Subject: [kr-net] Re: wich = belt

Eduardo Iglesias wrote:=20
 Since in=20 Argentina it is almost impossible that the subsidiary of Gates = informs me=20 which belt has to use for a reduction gear of 80 hp, 270 mm among = axes, 1,8=20 : 1 rate and with a  security factor of 1,5, it is possible = that some=20 in the net has the information?  Or at least, what width has a = belt for=20 that power?
Here, Gates=20 informed me that it should use a jagged belt with trapezoidal teeth = 14 mm=20 deep, when what I see in all the pictures is belts with round teeth = of about=20 8 mm.Eduardo
Eduardo -
  I've = got a 100+=20 EA81 Subaru and my belt is 285mm wide.  I can't read the=20 manufacturer but they are in Stafford Ontario (Canada)
There is = also "Sure=20 Grip HTD 800 8M 85" on there.  It came with my Reductions = Inc.  belt=20 drive=20

I can't find his web page but here's the address and phone=20 Number  - His name is Dave Johnson
Reductions, Inc.
Box = 16, Group=20 15, RR1
Dugald, Manitoba
R0E 0K0 Canada=20

(204) 853-7998=20

jeb@thuntek.net      http://thuntek.net/~jeb/krpag= e.htm=20
 

------=_NextPart_000_0023_01BEB200.4D194B40-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Let the building begin From: Michael Taglieri Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 00:44:47 -0400 X-Message-Number: 26 >> when i purchaseds it it was 70 percent complete. I need to finish the wings, >> engine, front cowling, and turtle deck. it already looks like a plane still >> much work to be done>>>>> > >You seriously need to retract that last statement to read that it was >49% complete when you bought it and from here on out never ever mention >it was more than that to anyone else. The FAA only requires that 51% of it be amateur-built. I don't think they care about the number of amateurs. Mike Taglieri ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Let the building begin From: Ron Lee Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 23:02:08 -0600 X-Message-Number: 27 At 12:44 AM 6/9/99 -0400, you wrote: >>> when i purchaseds it it was 70 percent complete. I need to finish the >wings, >>> engine, front cowling, and turtle deck. it already looks like a plane >still >>> much work to be done>>>>> >> >>You seriously need to retract that last statement to read that it was >>49% complete when you bought it and from here on out never ever mention >>it was more than that to anyone else. I agree. Sounds like you may have about 60% or so left to do. You are looking at the superficial structure and not considering the work needed to finish it and examine the work that has been done. Ron Lee ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Re: Re: retract gear on the KR-2S From: GREG S MARTIN Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 18:30:42 -0700 X-Message-Number: 28 Kip The only thing that I have done is increase the length of the gear by 4". As I have stated in the past is this is a retro fit and YOU can use a longer prop if you like. I think the combination of the two will be even more impressive. As soon as I have completed the plans. I'll send them out to those who ask for them direct. You need someone with AutoCAD to get the drawings. Happy building and/or flying. Greg Martin Bakersfield, CA On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 15:58:01 EDT KRkip@aol.com writes: >In a message dated 6/8/99 1:26:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >idrawtobuild@juno.com writes: > ><< Well, I thought I'd lose 5 to 7 mph. I was wrong. 18 mph. I'm >very > sure that the clam shell design I have will realy help the >performance. > > I have a standard KR2 that i have been flying for 11years and i >have >the original retract gear that has been modified with full >clamshellgear >doors and they really do make a lot of difference. Kip > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: idrawtobuild@juno.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Let the building begin From: SClay10106@aol.com Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 01:18:44 EDT X-Message-Number: 29 thanks 4 the input ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: wich belt From: Tlongcrier@aol.com Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 01:47:14 EDT X-Message-Number: 30 Eduardo If you are using the Gates belt, which is smaller than the other type, but stronger, you should use them with the Gates pulleys. The are steel, but smaller, so you come out with about the same weight as with the larger pulleys (aluminum?). See if the Gates subsidary has. or if they can get, one of their Engineering Manuals for you. With that you can, very easily, ascertain whatever set up you want. i.e., which belt, which pulleys, which ration - anything you need to know regarding a reduction operation. They also have whatever bearings you may need for whatever shafts you may decide upon. I forget what the larger, round tooth belt you mention is called, but I don't think Gates bellts will work (fit) with the pulleys designed for the round tooth belt. Your belts and pulleys will have to mate, whether they are Gates or the "other". The Gates Engineering Manual (for their belts, pulleys, etc.) is an education in itself. It is easy to figure out and contains invaluable infomation for anyone, I think, pondering reduction units of any type. Good luck. Thurman Longcrier Florence, AL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: New KRnet member questions From: cartera Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 00:55:07 -0600 X-Message-Number: 31 John Bryhan wrote: > > "Gregory K. Harris" wrote: > > > Greetings to all. I have been on KRnet for about 2 weeks now and I am > > very pleased with the professionalism and camaraderie displayed. That is > > why I decided to post. > > > > I am a long way off from builing a KR2S, but it is definetly the plane I > > am going to build. I think my questions can be answered here. My main > > issue is about obtaining materials. I have heard a lot discussion on > > getting specific materials kits (i.e., wood, foam, etc.) from different > > sources. What I am wondering is, how the majority of people are obtaining > > their supplies. For example, are most people just getting the plans from > > Rand Robinson and then getting sub-kits from different suppliers and then > > ordering specific parts (canopy, landing gear)? It seems that most people > > are staying away from RR Group packages. It also seems that some people > > are sort of half plans building/half kit building their KRs. What should > > I expect when I start this project? What seems to be the best way to > > obtain > > the specific materials kits? > > > > Any recommendations that you might have would be greatly appreciated. I > > would also like to say that my plan-of-action is to get the plans to the > > KR2S and study them for several months before I start construction. > > During > > those months I also plan to attend a few workshops. Has anyone attended > > these and are they worth it for the KR process? > > > > Thanks for any help and sorry if I've brought up a bunch of dead issues. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Greg Harris > > > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jeb@thuntek.net > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > Greg - > That's the usual way it works. Study them plans for a month or so, then > but the > spruce kit - In the last couple of weeks we've seen pros and cons of AS&S vrs > Wicks > and those specialty wood companies... I personally got my wood from Wicks > about > 5 1/2 years ago. (!!!) Jeanette Rand suggested I contact them to get the > wood. I think > mainly 'cause she didn't (doesn't) do Visa or MasterCard . > Some people build to plans and stick to them very closely - others change > things a bit > some people buy the Kits others have less money and decide to build all their > fiberglass > parts. The canopy issue is another matter of taste and $$$ - I've seen the > gull wing with > a windshield, a sliding canopy, side hinged and front hinged. Many are using > the Dragon Fly > canopy, it's a bit cheaper and will fit KR2 even after widening the fuselage > out to around 42" > It is 1/16" thinner than the Rand Robinson one. > > Glad to have you with us - ask as many questions as you want. Hi Gang, How come you guys always forget: Is it because it is not US made??? Western Aircraft Supply 623 Markerville Rd. N.E., Calgary, Alberta, Canada Phone:403 276-3087 Cut to specifications and A1 spruce at a more reasonable price because of the current monetary exchange rate. -- Adrian VE6AFY Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com