From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 12:18 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: July 07, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Wednesday, July 07, 1999. 1. Canopies 2. Re: Canopies 3. Re: Finishing Advise.. 4. Re: Canopies 5. First flight 6. DF Canopy KR group purchase? 7. RE: DF Canopy KR group purchase? 8. Re: DF Canopy KR group purchase? 9. Re: DF Canopy KR group purchase? 10. RE: DF Canopy KR group purchase? 11. Dragonfly Canopy 12. Re: First flight 13. Re: Dragonfly Canopy 14. ballistic parachute 15. Re: Dragonfly Canopy 16. Re: Dragonfly Canopy 17. Re: DF Canopy KR group purchase? 18. Re: ballistic parachute 19. New Airfoil ? 20. Re: Dragonfly Canopy 21. Re: ballistic parachute 22. Sanding and Filling - long 23. Re: New Airfoil ? 24. Re: Dragonfly Canopy & Group Purchase 25. DF Canopy 8 and counting 26. Re: Dragonfly Canopy 27. Re: DF Canopy 8 and counting 28. Re: First flight 29. Re: Sanding and Filling - long 30. Re: Dragonfly Canopy 31. Re: Dragonfly Canopy 32. DF Canopy Update 33. RE: DF Canopy KR group purchase? 34. Re: DF Canopy 8 and counting 35. Props 36. Re: DF Canopy KR group purchase? 37. Re: Finishing Advise 38. Re: Dragonfly Canopy 39. Arlington.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Canopies From: Richard Parker Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 06:06:17 PDT X-Message-Number: 1 Anyone know what the current status is on the Dragonfly canopies? I'd like to place an order and dont know who owns the company now or how to get in touch with them. Thanks in advance Rich Parker _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Canopies From: "Dean Collette" Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 09:13:25 -0500 X-Message-Number: 2 Rich, Slipstream Aviation now owns Dragonfly. I talked with them about a week ago when they explained that they are in the process of moving their entire facility to Wisconsin, and should be situated in about 2 weeks. They have many new things in development (including a web site) and they sound eager to work with KR builders. Right now, Slipstream will take your order and drop ship a canopy from the factory in California, or in about a month, they will be stocking and shipping canopies from their new location. (Are you going to Oshkosh? You could pick one up and save yourself some shipping.) The Phone numbers are Slipstream Aviation 1-800-464-3664 1-319-386-6966 This one changes in a week or so. Dean Collette Milwaukee, Wisconsin mailto:drdean@execpc.com Web Page at http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/home.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Parker To: KR-net users group Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 8:06 AM Subject: [kr-net] Canopies > Anyone know what the current status is on the Dragonfly canopies? > > I'd like to place an order and dont know who owns the company now or how to > get in touch with them. > > Thanks in advance > > Rich Parker > > > ____________________________________________________________ ___ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: drdean@execpc.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Finishing Advise.. From: "Dale Baldwin" Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:06:34 -0400 X-Message-Number: 3 ---------- Re: Super fil, Have it out in the garage which has been in the upper nineties this past week and when I opened Part B this morning noticed the strong smell of amonia. You might want to keep yours in a cooler area. Will let you know how it sets up. As for setting a time limit on preping the top of the wings, you're gonna see alot of them. Repainting adds alot of wt.( I have a friend with a 400lb. Quickie). So try to get it right the first time. (IMHO) Dale Baldwin, KR-2 sanding, filling and priming founder of Poor Cores, Inc. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Canopies From: Richard Parker Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 08:35:06 PDT X-Message-Number: 4 Thanks for the info. Unfortunately I'm moving during Oshkosh so again I cant make it. The good news is I'm tripling my building space and picking up my engine (and canopy). So after the move I'm expecting to make leaps and bounds. Rich Parker (looking forward to KR-Kosh) >From: "Dean Collette" >Rich, > >Slipstream Aviation now owns Dragonfly. I talked with them >about a week ago when they explained that they are in the >process of moving their entire facility to Wisconsin, and >should be situated in about 2 weeks. They have many new >things in development (including a web site) and they sound >eager to work with KR builders. > >Right now, Slipstream will take your order and drop ship a >canopy from the factory in California, or in about a month, >they will be stocking and shipping canopies from their new >location. (Are you going to Oshkosh? You could pick one up >and save yourself some shipping.) > >The Phone numbers are >Slipstream Aviation >1-800-464-3664 >1-319-386-6966 This one changes in a week or so. > >Dean Collette Milwaukee, Wisconsin >mailto:drdean@execpc.com >Web Page at http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/home.htm > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Richard Parker >To: KR-net users group >Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 8:06 AM >Subject: [kr-net] Canopies > > > > Anyone know what the current status is on the Dragonfly >canopies? > > > > I'd like to place an order and dont know who owns the >company now or how to > > get in touch with them. > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > Rich Parker > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________ >___ > > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit >http://www.msn.com > > > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: >drdean@execpc.com > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to >leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: richontheroad@hotmail.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: First flight From: "Wolf Packs, Inc." Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 09:08:28 -0700 X-Message-Number: 5 --=====================_1957323==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ego.mind.net id JAA23465 Yes, it finally happened. The KR2 I've been "refurbishing" for 3 years m= ade it's first flight today. Everything went smoothly and the test pilot (Ha= l) had a good time on his first KR ride. =20 You can see what a lousy photographer I am in the First flight section of= =20 http://wolfpacks.com/KR I was putting film in the camera as he taxied out= and I expected to see at least one high speed taxi (wouldn't you?) so I wasn't = ready when he turned onto the runway, hit the throttle, and went right off. La= me excuse. Plan ahead, be ready. Hal is 6' 3" (plus a head-set), 190lbs., it's a stock KR2 canopy with a p= lywood & foam seat on rails (2 to 3" above the belly ply), but he said he could = deal with tilting his head for a few minutes to fly it. This KR wasn't built = for a tall guy. The performance figures will have to wait until I fiddle a bit to get it running smooth on top end. Takeoff went smoothly but it started a mild sputtering a little after takeoff. After the flight the gascolator showe= d a few tiny bits of sanding dust from the fuel tank. I've flushed the tank = 4 times (once last week) and taxi tested plenty, plus trailering it three t= imes, I thought I had it all out by now. Even with it missing a few beats and only getting up to 2300 rpm Hal figu= red since it was still climbing okay, he'd keep flying. I got a bit nervous = when he flew up and away out of sight. After 20 minutes in the air he brought = it down for a perfect landing. Here's his report. Temps. Oil didn't get up to 200 degrees, CHT's up to 350, EGT up to 1,200= . Oil pressure 50-60 lbs. Controls get mushy around 65, stall around 60 (pitot/static may be off a little?). With the sputtering engine, his knee= s against the panel, and his head tilted, I can understand Hal not going in= to "power on" stalls. He suggested I add a small trim tab to the bottom of = the right aileron (just like the one on his RV4, only smaller) because the le= ft wing feels "just a tad heavy". I told Hal the elevator might be a bit sensitive and he says it's not. L= ike you guys already flying KRs say, with the CG in the front of the range it= 's not an issue. I saw no PIO's. The KR weighs in at 565 lbs. now. I added a few pounds this spring with = the beefy Great Plains starter (the 2nd light weight little Bosch unit died t= his spring), more fiberglass, resin, primer, etc. Final paint and wheel pant= s are the only pounds yet to be added. It may lose a pound or so when I mount = the new engine cowlings this winter. It may still be ugly when I head for th= e gathering in Sept. =20 I'll post real performance figures when I have them. What a day. Paul M. Ashland, OR =20 =20 Linda von Hanneken-Martin Wolf Packs=AE - Gear for Working Dogs Phone/FAX: 541-482-7669 web: www.wolfpacks.com ~ email: traildog@wolfpacks.com=20 --=====================_1957323==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ego.mind.net id JAA23465 Yes, it finally happened.  The KR2 = I've been "refurbishing" for 3 years made it's first flight today.  Everything went smoothly and the test pilot (Hal) had a good time on his first KR ride. 

You can see what a lousy photographer I am in the First flight section of   http://wolfpacks.c= om/KR I was putting film in the camera as he taxied out and I expected to see a= t least one high speed taxi (wouldn't you?) so I wasn't ready when he tur= ned onto the runway, hit the throttle, and went right off.  Lame exc= use.  Plan ahead, be ready.

Hal is 6' 3" (plus a head-set), 190lbs., it's a stock KR2 canopy wit= h a plywood & foam seat on rails (2 to 3" above the belly ply), = but he said he could deal with tilting his head for a few minutes to fly = it.  This KR wasn't built for a tall guy.

The performance figures will have to wait until I fiddle a bit to get it = running smooth on top end.  Takeoff went smoothly but it started a m= ild sputtering a little after takeoff.  After the flight the gascola= tor showed a few tiny bits of sanding dust from the fuel tank.  I've= flushed the tank 4 times (once last week) and taxi tested plenty, plus t= railering it three times, I thought I had it all out by now.

Even with it missing a few beats and only getting up to 2300 rpm Hal figu= red since it was still climbing okay, he'd keep flying.  I got a bit= nervous when he flew up and away out of sight. After 20 minutes in the a= ir he brought it down for a perfect landing.  Here's his report.

Temps. Oil didn't get up to 200 degrees, CHT's up to 350, EGT up to 1,200= .  Oil pressure 50-60 lbs.  Controls get mushy around 65, stall= around 60 (pitot/static may be off a little?). With the sputtering engin= e, his knees against the panel, and his head tilted, I can understand Hal= not going into "power on" stalls.  He suggested I add a s= mall trim tab to the bottom of the right aileron (just like the one on hi= s RV4, only smaller) because the left wing feels "just a tad heavy&q= uot;.

I told Hal the elevator might be a bit sensitive and he says it's not.&nb= sp; Like you guys already flying KRs say, with the CG in the front of the= range it's not an issue.  I saw no PIO's.

The KR weighs in at 565 lbs. now.  I added a few pounds this spring = with the beefy Great Plains starter (the 2nd light weight little Bosch un= it died this spring), more fiberglass, resin, primer, etc.  Final pa= int and wheel pants are the only pounds yet to be added.  It may los= e a pound or so when I mount the new engine cowlings this winter.  I= t may still be ugly when I head for the gathering in Sept. 

I'll post real performance figures when I have them.  What a day.
Paul M.
Ashland, OR   
   

Linda von Hanneken-Martin
Wolf Packs=AE - Gear for Working Dogs
Phone/FAX: 541-482-7669
web: www.wolfpac= ks.com ~ email: traildog@wolfpacks.com
--=====================_1957323==_.ALT-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: DF Canopy KR group purchase? From: "Rick Hubka" Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 12:19:58 X-Message-Number: 6 I'm also going to be getting a Dragon Fly canopy soon. If there are enough KR builders ready or almost ready to buy a DF Canopy, maybe we can organize a group purchase and try to save some money $$$. They are quite pricy but if we can get (say 10) builders maybe we could get 20% off or something. How about a show of hands for those interested. If anyone lives near their new location maybe we can ask them to volunteer to be our voice. "Just stretched the fuse 4" on the table and am installing my cross bracing". Rick Hubka Calgary, Alberta, Canada rick@hubka.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: DF Canopy KR group purchase? From: "Robert Sauer" Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 14:37:48 -0500 X-Message-Number: 7 Count me in Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: bounce-kr-net-49736@telelists.com > [mailto:bounce-kr-net-49736@telelists.com]On Behalf Of Rick Hubka > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 7:20 AM > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] DF Canopy KR group purchase? > > > I'm also going to be getting a Dragon Fly canopy soon. If there > are enough > KR builders ready or almost ready to buy a DF Canopy, maybe we > can organize > a group purchase and try to save some money $$$. They are quite > pricy but > if we can get (say 10) builders maybe we could get 20% off or something. > > How about a show of hands for those interested. If anyone lives > near their > new location maybe we can ask them to volunteer to be our voice. > > "Just stretched the fuse 4" on the table and am installing my cross > bracing". > > Rick Hubka > Calgary, Alberta, Canada > rick@hubka.com > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: resauer@totalaccess.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: DF Canopy KR group purchase? From: FLYKR2S@aol.com Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 17:26:51 EDT X-Message-Number: 8 In a message dated 7/7/99 2:22:57 PM Central Daylight Time, rick@hubka.com writes: << If there are enough KR builders ready or almost ready to buy a DF Canopy, maybe we can organize a group purchase and try to save some money $$$. They are quite pricy but if we can get (say 10) builders maybe we could get 20% off or something. >> I'm ready to buy a canopy!! There is also another gentleman in my area ready to buy. Also, Slipstream will be moving to Wisconsin soon and will be stocking the D'fly canopy here. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Waukesha, WI flykr2s@aol.com http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: DF Canopy KR group purchase? From: "Saunders" Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 17:26:21 -0400 X-Message-Number: 9 -----Original Message----- From: Rick Hubka To: KR-net users group Date: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 3:24 PM Subject: [kr-net] DF Canopy KR group purchase? >.I am at a point where I can go ahead a pick up the canopy. It's worth a shot, count me in. Mike Cumberland, MD >How about a show of hands for those interested. If anyone lives near their >new location maybe we can ask them to volunteer to be our voice. > >"". > >Rick Hubka >Calgary, Alberta, Canada >rick@hubka.com > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: saunders@hereintown.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: DF Canopy KR group purchase? From: g hamilton Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 16:42:53 -0700 X-Message-Number: 10 ------ =_NextPart_000_01BEC897.E2B6CBC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I might be interested, but I have not been following all the details of = the DF canopy. What is involved in sizing this canopy to a KR2 and you = say it is pricey. An order for 10 should generate a very significant = discount. So, just how much are we talking about? Gary Hamilton Georgetown, TX -----Original Message----- From: Robert Sauer [SMTP:resauer@totalaccess.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 12:38 PM To: KR-net users group Subject: [kr-net] RE: DF Canopy KR group purchase? Count me in Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: bounce-kr-net-49736@telelists.com > [mailto:bounce-kr-net-49736@telelists.com]On Behalf Of Rick Hubka > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 7:20 AM > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] DF Canopy KR group purchase? >=20 >=20 > I'm also going to be getting a Dragon Fly canopy soon. If there=20 > are enough=20 > KR builders ready or almost ready to buy a DF Canopy, maybe we=20 > can organize=20 > a group purchase and try to save some money $$$. They are quite=20 > pricy but=20 > if we can get (say 10) builders maybe we could get 20% off or = something. >=20 > How about a show of hands for those interested. 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AADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAA2hQAAAQAAAAEAAAAAAAAAHgAlgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAN4UA AAEAAAABAAAAAAAAAB4AJoAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAADiFAAABAAAAAQAAAAAAAAAeAD0A AQAAAAUAAABSRTogAAAAAAMADTT9NwAA6po= ------ =_NextPart_000_01BEC897.E2B6CBC0-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Dragonfly Canopy From: RFG842@aol.com Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 17:45:37 EDT X-Message-Number: 11 Would watch out who you buy the canopy from. I ordered the canopy last year from the Dragonfly dealer and was promised it in 60 days from the manufacturer in California. Four months later and after excuses like the humidly is too high, the material is bad so I have to find another source, everyone's got the flu, it will be shipped for sure on Thursday, but Thursday never came, etc., etc., etc., etc. Finally did got it but if I have a choice, will never order from them again. Believe the canopy maker in Ohio offers a 50% discount within 6 months if you break the first one and the price is better. Buyer beware Bob ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: First flight From: cartera Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 16:35:10 -0600 X-Message-Number: 12 "Wolf Packs, Inc." wrote: >=20 > Yes, it finally happened. The KR2 I've been "refurbishing" for 3 years= made it's first flight today. Everything went smoothly and the test pil= ot (Hal) had a good time on his first KR ride. >=20 > You can see what a lousy photographer I am in the First flight section = of http://wolfpacks.com/KR I was putting film in the camera as he taxie= d out and I expected to see at least one high speed taxi (wouldn't you?) = so I wasn't ready when he turned onto the runway, hit the throttle, and w= ent right off. Lame excuse. Plan ahead, be ready. >=20 > Hal is 6' 3" (plus a head-set), 190lbs., it's a stock KR2 canopy with a= plywood & foam seat on rails (2 to 3" above the belly ply), but he said = he could deal with tilting his head for a few minutes to fly it. This KR= wasn't built for a tall guy. >=20 > The performance figures will have to wait until I fiddle a bit to get i= t running smooth on top end. Takeoff went smoothly but it started a mild= sputtering a little after takeoff. After the flight the gascolator show= ed a few tiny bits of sanding dust from the fuel tank. I've flushed the = tank 4 times (once last week) and taxi tested plenty, plus trailering it = three times, I thought I had it all out by now. >=20 > Even with it missing a few beats and only getting up to 2300 rpm Hal fi= gured since it was still climbing okay, he'd keep flying. I got a bit ne= rvous when he flew up and away out of sight. After 20 minutes in the air = he brought it down for a perfect landing. Here's his report. >=20 > Temps. Oil didn't get up to 200 degrees, CHT's up to 350, EGT up to 1,2= 00. Oil pressure 50-60 lbs. Controls get mushy around 65, stall around = 60 (pitot/static may be off a little?). With the sputtering engine, his k= nees against the panel, and his head tilted, I can understand Hal not goi= ng into "power on" stalls. He suggested I add a small trim tab to the bo= ttom of the right aileron (just like the one on his RV4, only smaller) be= cause the left wing feels "just a tad heavy". >=20 > I told Hal the elevator might be a bit sensitive and he says it's not. = Like you guys already flying KRs say, with the CG in the front of the ra= nge it's not an issue. I saw no PIO's. >=20 > The KR weighs in at 565 lbs. now. I added a few pounds this spring wit= h the beefy Great Plains starter (the 2nd light weight little Bosch unit = died this spring), more fiberglass, resin, primer, etc. Final paint and = wheel pants are the only pounds yet to be added. It may lose a pound or = so when I mount the new engine cowlings this winter. It may still be ugl= y when I head for the gathering in Sept. >=20 > I'll post real performance figures when I have them. What a day. >=20 > Paul M. > Ashland, OR >=20 > Linda von Hanneken-Martin > Wolf Packs=AE - Gear for Working Dogs > Phone/FAX: 541-482-7669 > web: www.wolfpacks.com ~ email: traildog@wolfpacks.com Congratulations Paul and now the fun starts. Take Care and Happy Flying! --=20 Adrian VE6AFY Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Dragonfly Canopy From: "Dean Collette" Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 18:39:20 -0500 X-Message-Number: 13 I thought the only guys that produced any quantity of D-fly canopies was the company in California. Who is this company in Ohio? Do you have an URL or a phone number? If there's anybody else out there with a decent price - I'd sure be interested. In fact, I was under the impression that in order to buy one of these at a reasonable rate you had to go through the D-fly sources (Slipstream) otherwise the CA company jacked up the price. Dean Collette Milwaukee, Wisconsin mailto:drdean@execpc.com Web Page at http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/home.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: To: KR-net users group Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 4:45 PM Subject: [kr-net] Dragonfly Canopy > Would watch out who you buy the canopy from. I ordered the canopy last year > from the Dragonfly dealer and was promised it in 60 days from the > manufacturer in California. > > Four months later and after excuses like the humidly is too high, the > material is bad so I have to find another source, everyone's got the flu, it > will be shipped for sure on Thursday, but Thursday never came, etc., etc., > etc., etc. Finally did got it but if I have a choice, will never order from > them again. > > Believe the canopy maker in Ohio offers a 50% discount within 6 months if you > break the first one and the price is better. > > Buyer beware > > Bob > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: drdean@execpc.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: ballistic parachute From: "Helio Gama" Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 17:20:1 X-Message-Number: 14 Hi everybody I'm new to this list and also as a builder. I need information on installing a ballistic chute in a KR-2S Any help will be appretiated Helio Gama Brasil ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Dragonfly Canopy From: "Mark Langford" Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 19:43:38 -0500 X-Message-Number: 15 The Dragonfly canopy is very flexible (without a frame) and will fit just about anything that you can make that resembles a KR. It is designed for a 48 inch wide plane (I think) and will also skinny up to fit a stock KR2. So anywhere between 40 and 55 inches wide will probably work. It is 3/16" thick rather and the 1/8" RR KR2S canopy, which will save you some weight. The Dragonfly is longer than the RR canopy, I believe, which is good for visibilty behind you. The quality is excellent, from what I've seen, and they're normally made in California but you can't order it from there (and they WON"T give you any dimensions, either) so just bite the bullet and get it from Slipstream. When I got mine from Viking (former D'fly manufacturer) shipping was only $60, compared to $120 or so from RR, but then I guess they're a little closer too. See how I installed my Dragonfly at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kcf.html . Use carbon fiber for the frame... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ----- Original Message ----- From: Dean Collette To: KR-net users group Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 6:39 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Dragonfly Canopy > I thought the only guys that produced any quantity of D-fly > canopies was the company in California. Who is this company > in Ohio? Do you have an URL or a phone number? If there's > anybody else out there with a decent price - I'd sure be > interested. > > In fact, I was under the impression that in order to buy one > of these at a reasonable rate you had to go through the > D-fly sources (Slipstream) otherwise the CA company jacked > up the price. > > Dean Collette Milwaukee, Wisconsin > mailto:drdean@execpc.com > Web Page at http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/home.htm > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: KR-net users group > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 4:45 PM > Subject: [kr-net] Dragonfly Canopy > > > > Would watch out who you buy the canopy from. I ordered > the canopy last year > > from the Dragonfly dealer and was promised it in 60 days > from the > > manufacturer in California. > > > > Four months later and after excuses like the humidly is > too high, the > > material is bad so I have to find another source, > everyone's got the flu, it > > will be shipped for sure on Thursday, but Thursday never > came, etc., etc., > > etc., etc. Finally did got it but if I have a choice, > will never order from > > them again. > > > > Believe the canopy maker in Ohio offers a 50% discount > within 6 months if you > > break the first one and the price is better. > > > > Buyer beware > > > > Bob > > > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: > drdean@execpc.com > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: langford@hiwaay.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Dragonfly Canopy From: "Mark Langford" Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 19:54:15 -0500 X-Message-Number: 16 > anywhere between 40 and 55 inches wide will probably work. It is 3/16" > thick rather and the 1/8" RR KR2S canopy, Duhh, that would be 1/8" for the Dfly, 3/16" for the KR2S. I never was very good with math. Have I burned up my share of the bandwidth today? Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: DF Canopy KR group purchase? From: Tim Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 19:29:51 -0600 X-Message-Number: 17 Rick....good point; I'd be interested...one of the last few post's said "slipstream would have it drop shipped from Calif"...Like cut out the middle man, 'they only increase the price of a product'...We are not building dragonflies and a large order should be placed with the California manufacturer... Tim Cold Lake, Alberta forward Speed 'is' Lift/Life ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: ballistic parachute From: "Tom Andersen" Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 21:54:58 -0400 X-Message-Number: 18 Helio, I'm putting a BRS unit in my KR-2S. BRS makes a harness just for the KR-2 which I bought. It wraps around the forward center spar and connects to the tailwheel block for a three-point suspension system. The BRS 1050 is rated for the weight of the KR with a maximum deployment speed of 150mph. It's 24lbs for the unit and another five for the kevlar straps. Call BRS for more details, I'm sure they can lengthen the KR-2 one a foot or so if you ask. From what I see there's a little slack to play with on the tail lead. -Tom Andersen Airconditioned 2-car garage last weekend, 78deg is a big difference from 87deg. Installed center spar Monday. Sheeting outer spars tonight. -----Original Message----- From: Helio Gama To: KR-net users group Date: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 8:22 PM Subject: [kr-net] ballistic parachute >Hi everybody >I'm new to this list and also as a builder. >I need information on installing a ballistic chute in a KR-2S >Any help will be appretiated > >Helio Gama >Brasil > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: tomkr2s@t-three.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: New Airfoil ? From: JamesMcG@aol.com Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 22:48:22 EDT X-Message-Number: 19 Is there any news on the new airfoil? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Dragonfly Canopy From: RFG842@aol.com Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 22:56:00 EDT X-Message-Number: 20 Dr Dean Company in Ohio advertises in the classfieds in Kit Planes. Don't have a phone no. handy right now. have never delt with them but a few of the EAA'ers locally have and have heard no complaints. Personally, making a canopy is rather easy, just need a big enough oven and the form. Take a $60.00 sheet of plexi, heat it up and mold it over a form with cotton gloves. Clamp the edges down until it cools. Have watched them make hundreds at Cessna. Our problem is is that it isn't worth the trouble to make one or two. Bob ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: ballistic parachute From: SClay10106@aol.com Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 22:55:57 EDT X-Message-Number: 21 What is the cost on something like that. Sounds like a great idea ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Sanding and Filling - long From: "Dean Collette" Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 22:27:33 -0500 X-Message-Number: 22 Fillerheads, Last night I took a quick look at my builders log and realized that I have invested something like 60 hours into filling and sanding my fuselage (a little different then a standard KR fuse.) After all these hours, the thing still wasn't even close to being done. I needed help in a big way, or I was going to have to fire up the chainsaw. So today after work (I left a little early) I went to a local bodyshop and explained to the guys what I was trying to do and that I have no prior experience in this kind of thing. I also happened to mention that I had an ice cold 12-pack in the back of my truck. It didn't take long before I had more ideas then I knew what to do with. Now this may be blatantly obvious to some of you, but having no exposure to this at all, I thought it was a great idea. When you think you have the piece roughly done, spray a thin coat of "Guide Coat" on and then try to sand it off. Guide Coat is nothing more then a black sandable primer (comes in a can, so there's no need to dig out the air compressor.) What happens is that you immediately sand off all the high spots and the low spots stay black so that you can see them. When all of the black is gone, the piece is smooth. Sometimes you can't sand enough that all the black is gone - you need more filler. So, I gave this a try on the back of the fuselage. Unbelievable. I did more in 2 hours tonight then I would have done in 10 hours before. After I sanded all the black away, I tried it again and found that, indeed, the piece was smooth. The guys explained that as you add filler and sand it off and add more filler, the subtle differences in color will fool you into thinking what is a high spot or a low spot. I have used 2 different kinds of filler (tan and blue) and then you have the fiberglass color peaking through. I had no idea what was a high spot or a low spot other then by running my hand across it. They also gave me some tips on which sanding tools work the best for this type of an application. They recommended a ran dom orbit sander for the big relatively flat areas, a 17" or 18"x 3" flat, two handed sanding block, and a smaller, rubber sanding block. For most of you, this is probably old news, but if it saves anybody as much work as it is saving me, then it's bandwidth well spent. Dean Collette Milwaukee, Wisconsin mailto:drdean@execpc.com Web Page at http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/home.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: New Airfoil ? From: "Mark Langford" Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 22:11:35 -0500 X-Message-Number: 23 > Is there any news on the new airfoil? If you mean the AS50xx series, Troy's about to fly any day now. He'd have flown last weekend except he stripped 2 sparkplug holes (with a torque wrench at 10 ft-lbs) and is retapping them now. I don't expect any problems, and it will be interesting to see the speed difference. He'll also be testing a rather cool Mikuni dual setup too, as well as exhaust and cowling exit ideas. You guys who were contributors to the airfoil fund and expect a set of airfoil plots remind me who you are (offline). And let me know how urgent the need is, as I will prioritize shipments. Also let me know what you want, whether AS5045, 46, or 48 (tapering to 45 at the tip)... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Dragonfly Canopy & Group Purchase From: "Dean Collette" Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 22:56:42 -0500 X-Message-Number: 24 Bob, I just checked the back of the last Kitplanes - Airplane Plastics - Does that sound familiar? I'll give them a call tomorrow. If they do the D-fly thing. I'll ask about quantity discounts. From last rough count it looks like there's about 7 or 8 of us. I had thought about forming my own canopy, but I am here to tell you, this is something I would screw up. I can't say I would be thrilled to build the mold, then the oven, and then horse up six or seven sheets of plexi, all to need to buy a canopy anyway. I had heard of a guy in Canada who was making canopies. Rumor had it that they were pretty good quality. I had sent several emails, but didn't get anywhere. Perhaps (speculating now) Canopies are similar to other types of plastics whereby the manufacturer does not own the molds. This would make sense why the CA company won't sell D-fly canopies unless you go through the mold owner (in this case Slipstream). Dean Collette Milwaukee, Wisconsin mailto:drdean@execpc.com Web Page at http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/home.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: To: KR-net users group Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 9:56 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Dragonfly Canopy > Dr Dean > > Company in Ohio advertises in the classfieds in Kit Planes. Don't have a > phone no. handy right now. have never delt with them but a few of the > EAA'ers locally have and have heard no complaints. > > Personally, making a canopy is rather easy, just need a big enough oven and > the form. Take a $60.00 sheet of plexi, heat it up and mold it over a form > with cotton gloves. Clamp the edges down until it cools. Have watched them > make hundreds at Cessna. Our problem is is that it isn't worth the trouble > to make one or two. > > Bob > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: drdean@execpc.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: DF Canopy 8 and counting From: "Rick Hubka" Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 21:51:18 -0600 X-Message-Number: 25 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0099_01BEC8C2.D7B7A520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable KR Dragon Fly Canopy Bulk purchase Well it looks like we are going to have a group purchase. In less than = 8 hours we have 8 interested KR builders interested in purchasing a DF = canopy. At this rate (if everyone is serious and can come up with the = cash) we will probably exceed purchasing 10. I would hope we can swing a = great deal with this kind of purchasing leverage. Might I suggest we leave this open for a week or two to give builders = time to discover this opportunity and to come up with the cash. With = Slipstream Aviation moving to Wisconsin, can we have a volunteer to = make a deal? Will everyone semi-committed to a purchase a DF canopy send email me = your( name, address, phone, email, etc...) and I will start a list and = to keep them and KRNET posted every few days. Lets get Slipstream Aviation to do mostl the work. (ha) . How about all = KR builders who deliver $ to Slipstream Aviation by Aug 31 get our group = pricing??? Slipstream Aviation gets the cash direct and ship direct! Ok. Who's a real "wheeler dealer" in Wisconsin who can get us a few = prices based on qty? Tell them most KR builders make their own or buy = them from some yahoo up in Canada. Send your info direct to rick@hubka.com if you are interested. Personnally I do not want to buy one home made or from some place that = says they can make a one and save me 1 or 2 hundred bucks. If I ever = need a replacement, I want one that still fits my KR without 40 hours of = modifications!! Rick Hubka Email: rick@hubka.com Web Site: www.hubka.com Calgary, Alberta, Canada ------=_NextPart_000_0099_01BEC8C2.D7B7A520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
KR Dragon Fly Canopy Bulk purchase
 
Well it looks like we are going to have a group=20 purchase.  In less than 8 hours we have 8 interested KR builders = interested=20 in purchasing a DF canopy.  At this rate (if everyone is serious = and can=20 come up with the cash) we will probably exceed purchasing 10. I would = hope we=20 can swing a great deal with this kind of purchasing = leverage.
 
Might I suggest we leave this open for a week or two = to give=20 builders time to discover this opportunity and to come up with the = cash. =20 With Slipstream Aviation  moving to = Wisconsin, can we=20 have a volunteer to make a deal?
 
Will everyone semi-committed to a purchase a DF = canopy send=20 email me your( name, address, phone, email, etc...) and I will start a = list=20 and to keep them and KRNET posted every few days.
 
Lets get Slipstream Aviation to do mostl the work. = (ha)=20 .  How about all KR builders who deliver $ to Slipstream Aviation = by Aug 31=20 get our group pricing???
 
Slipstream Aviation gets the cash direct and ship=20 direct!
 
Ok.  Who's a real "wheeler dealer" in Wisconsin = who can=20 get us a few prices based on qty?  Tell them most KR builders make = their=20 own or buy them from some yahoo up in Canada.
 
Send your info direct to rick@hubka.com if you are=20 interested.
 
Personnally I do not want to buy one home made or = from some=20 place that says they can make a one and save me 1 or 2 hundred = bucks.  If I=20 ever need a replacement, I want one that still fits my KR without = 40 hours=20 of modifications!!
 
Rick Hubka
Email: rick@hubka.com
Web Site: www.hubka.com
Calgary, Alberta,=20 Canada
------=_NextPart_000_0099_01BEC8C2.D7B7A520-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Dragonfly Canopy From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 22:14:38 -0700 X-Message-Number: 26 I hate to discourage anyone from the current plan, but I went through all this about 2 1/2 years ago. The outfit in Ohio (Airplane Plastics) wasn't interested in building a new mold and told me to deal with the outfit in California. I also talked to other (Thermo Tech) canopy and plexiglass manufacturers. All of them refered me to the California outfit (Aircraft Windshields) and had no interest in competing. When I called the California outfit, they weren't at all interested in dealing directly with me, but prefered that I buy through the Dragonfly dealer (Viking Aircraft at that time). Several phone calls got me several different prices from the same folks in California, but the bottom line was that there was a contract in place between them and the Dragonfly folks that said that they would only produce that canopy for the Dragonfly folks to sell and nobody else, including the manufacturer. They were clearly very uncomfortable with the idea of selling directly to me and would not give me a decent price that was even close to the price i could get through Viking Aircraft. So, the cheapest way to get one was to buy it through the Dragonfly folks. Yes the California company is run by a couple of flakes, but their procduct is first rate. They don't just make individual canopies when you order. They make a periodic run of them. If you catch them when they have them in stock, you'll get one shipped in fairly short order. If not, you'll get to dance with them for a while until they get around to making a run of Dragonfly canopies. One other word on them is to expect the shipping to be about twice what they tell you to expect and shipping via truck in not cheap. As I said, I hate to discourage you, but this is what I found when I was shopping for my canopy. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213w construction and first flight at http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: DF Canopy 8 and counting From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 22:29:37 -0700 X-Message-Number: 27 On Wed, 7 Jul 1999 21:51:18 -0600 "Rick Hubka" writes: > >Slipstream Aviation gets the cash direct and ship direct! > Sorry Rick, it doesnt' work quite that way. Slipstream owns the rights and possibly the molds, but the canopy is manufactured for them by Aircraft Windshields in California and is drop shipped via truck to you from there. You'll need to meet the truck with $$ in hand to pay for the shipping. 2 1/2 years ago that was $175 shipping from Los Angeles to Los Alamos, NM. Farther east is more $$. Of course for the cost of shipping 10 canopies, it might be worthwhile for someone to make a trip with their flatbed pickup truck. The shipping container size was roughly 4 x 6 x 2 feet. I would strongly encourage you to try to work a group purchase price with Slipstream as they are the ones in control of the pricing. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213w construction and first flight at http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: First flight From: John Esch Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 21:28:32 -0700 X-Message-Number: 28 Congrats Paul wish I was in the same "boat" as you John F. Esch Salem, OR cartera wrote: > > "Wolf Packs, Inc." wrote: > > > > Yes, it finally happened. The KR2 I've been "refurbishing" for 3 years made it's first flight today. Everything went smoothly and the test pilot (Hal) had a good time on his first KR ride. > > > > You can see what a lousy photographer I am in the First flight section of http://wolfpacks.com/KR I was putting film in the camera as he taxied out and I expected to see at least one high speed taxi (wouldn't you?) so I wasn't ready when he turned onto the runway, hit the throttle, and went right off. Lame excuse. Plan ahead, be ready. > > > > Hal is 6' 3" (plus a head-set), 190lbs., it's a stock KR2 canopy with a plywood & foam seat on rails (2 to 3" above the belly ply), but he said he could deal with tilting his head for a few minutes to fly it. This KR wasn't built for a tall guy. > > > > The performance figures will have to wait until I fiddle a bit to get it running smooth on top end. Takeoff went smoothly but it started a mild sputtering a little after takeoff. After the flight the gascolator showed a few tiny bits of sanding dust from the fuel tank. I've flushed the tank 4 times (once last week) and taxi tested plenty, plus trailering it three times, I thought I had it all out by now. > > > > Even with it missing a few beats and only getting up to 2300 rpm Hal figured since it was still climbing okay, he'd keep flying. I got a bit nervous when he flew up and away out of sight. After 20 minutes in the air he brought it down for a perfect landing. Here's his report. > > > > Temps. Oil didn't get up to 200 degrees, CHT's up to 350, EGT up to 1,200. Oil pressure 50-60 lbs. Controls get mushy around 65, stall around 60 (pitot/static may be off a little?). With the sputtering engine, his knees against the panel, and his head tilted, I can understand Hal not going into "power on" stalls. He suggested I add a small trim tab to the bottom of the right aileron (just like the one on his RV4, only smaller) because the left wing feels "just a tad heavy". > > > > I told Hal the elevator might be a bit sensitive and he says it's not. Like you guys already flying KRs say, with the CG in the front of the range it's not an issue. I saw no PIO's. > > > > The KR weighs in at 565 lbs. now. I added a few pounds this spring with the beefy Great Plains starter (the 2nd light weight little Bosch unit died this spring), more fiberglass, resin, primer, etc. Final paint and wheel pants are the only pounds yet to be added. It may lose a pound or so when I mount the new engine cowlings this winter. It may still be ugly when I head for the gathering in Sept. > > > > I'll post real performance figures when I have them. What a day. > > > > Paul M. > > Ashland, OR > > > > Linda von Hanneken-Martin > > Wolf PacksŪ - Gear for Working Dogs > > Phone/FAX: 541-482-7669 > > web: www.wolfpacks.com ~ email: traildog@wolfpacks.com > > Congratulations Paul and now the fun starts. > Take Care and Happy Flying! > -- > Adrian VE6AFY > Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca > http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jfesch@home.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Sanding and Filling - long From: WA7YXF@aol.com Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 00:18:41 EDT X-Message-Number: 29 thanks for the info Dean. Just finished the upper side of both wings today and will be turning things over and glassing the bottom side next.. then I will be needing all the advice I can get when it comes to filling and sanding. tnx LYNN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Dragonfly Canopy From: "Dean Collette" Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 00:19:44 -0500 X-Message-Number: 30 When I talked with Slipstream the other day, they were planning on having a relatively large number of canopies shipped to their new location in Wisconsin. I guess the plan is to ship Dragonfly "kits" out complete. They also explained that some of the problems with the drop shipment (delays, etc) could be avoided this way. I will call Slipstream in a couple of weeks - I have talked with the new owner several times. Personally, I wouldn't bet that they will offer a quantity discount - they don't need to, and they probably know it. Dean Collette Milwaukee, Wisconsin mailto:drdean@execpc.com Web Page at http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/home.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Dragonfly Canopy From: "R.W. Moore" Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 00:58:34 -0400 X-Message-Number: 31 I bought my kr1 canopy from the people in ohio a long time ago. They once would give you a new one if you broke it. R. W. Moore ----- Original Message ----- From: Dean Collette To: KR-net users group Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 7:39 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Dragonfly Canopy > I thought the only guys that produced any quantity of D-fly > canopies was the company in California. Who is this company > in Ohio? Do you have an URL or a phone number? If there's > anybody else out there with a decent price - I'd sure be > interested. > > In fact, I was under the impression that in order to buy one > of these at a reasonable rate you had to go through the > D-fly sources (Slipstream) otherwise the CA company jacked > up the price. > > Dean Collette Milwaukee, Wisconsin > mailto:drdean@execpc.com > Web Page at http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/home.htm > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: KR-net users group > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 4:45 PM > Subject: [kr-net] Dragonfly Canopy > > > > Would watch out who you buy the canopy from. I ordered > the canopy last year > > from the Dragonfly dealer and was promised it in 60 days > from the > > manufacturer in California. > > > > Four months later and after excuses like the humidly is > too high, the > > material is bad so I have to find another source, > everyone's got the flu, it > > will be shipped for sure on Thursday, but Thursday never > came, etc., etc., > > etc., etc. Finally did got it but if I have a choice, > will never order from > > them again. > > > > Believe the canopy maker in Ohio offers a 50% discount > within 6 months if you > > break the first one and the price is better. > > > > Buyer beware > > > > Bob > > > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: > drdean@execpc.com > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rwmoore@alltel.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: DF Canopy Update From: "Rick Hubka" Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 23:27:43 -0600 X-Message-Number: 32 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01BEC8D0.5027F020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi KR DF Canopy owner wanabee's We have a KR DF Slipstream negotiator. (Dean Collette Milwaukee, = Wisconsin) Thanks Dean... and get blood out of a rock please! Dean's message: >> Well, I guess I'm the most likely candidate to talk with Slipstream,=20 >> since I have talked with the owner 8 or 9 times now.(Only twice=20 >> about Canopies) I wouldn't go so far as to say that I know him=20 >> very well, but we have talked, and he knows me.=20 >> Besides I have something he wants.................. - long story,=20 >>I won't bore you with it. >> >> If you keep track of all the info and let me know -=20 >> I'll give them a call - or run up there and meet with them.=20 >>=20 >> By the way - put me down for 1 Smoke tint. I also had a request for what the going retail price is: So I did another search on DF in the messages came up with a retail of = $555.00 (US) plus shipping. =20 Big... shipping!! Can someone confirm this price? Isn't KRNet Great!!! Rick Hubka Email: rick@hubka.com Web Site: www.hubka.com Calgary, Alberta, Canada ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01BEC8D0.5027F020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi KR DF Canopy owner wanabee's
 
We have a KR DF Slipstream negotiator. (Dean=20 Collette    Milwaukee, Wisconsin)
 
Thanks=20 Dean...           and = get=20 blood out of a rock please!
 
Dean's message:
>> Well, I guess I'm the most likely candidate = to talk=20 with Slipstream,
>> since I have talked with the owner 8 or 9 = times=20 now.(Only twice
>> about Canopies) I wouldn't go so far as to = say that I=20 know him
>> very well, but we have talked, and he = knows me.=20
>> Besides I have something he = wants.................. -=20 long story,
>>I won't bore you with it.
>>
>> If you keep track of all the info and let = me know -=20
>> I'll give them a call - or run up there and = meet with=20 them.
>>
>> By the way - put me down for 1 Smoke=20 tint.
 
I also had a request for what the going retail price is:
So I did another search on DF in the messages came up with a retail = of=20 $555.00 (US) plus shipping. 
Big... shipping!!  Can someone confirm this price?
 
Isn't KRNet Great!!!
Rick Hubka
Email: rick@hubka.com
Web Site: www.hubka.com
Calgary, Alberta,=20 Canada
------=_NextPart_000_0085_01BEC8D0.5027F020-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: DF Canopy KR group purchase? From: Mike Mims Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 22:36:50 -0700 X-Message-Number: 33 g hamilton wrote: > >What is involved in sizing this canopy to a KR2 and you say it is pricey. An order for 10 should generate a very significant discount. So, just how much are we talking about?>>> Just depends on what you call pricey I guess. I think its in the $500 range. At any rate its about $150 less than the KR2S canopy from RR. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: DF Canopy 8 and counting From: Mike Mims Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 22:50:06 -0700 X-Message-Number: 34 jscott.pilot@juno.com wrote: > 2 1/2 years ago that was $175 shipping from Los Angeles to Los > Alamos, NM. Boy $550 plus $175 shipping! Can you guys see the motivation behind me making my own! :o) I imagine I have about $250 into mine but its not as nice as a Dragonfly canopy (as far as looks). -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Props From: Mike Mims Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 22:56:55 -0700 X-Message-Number: 35 Those of you who think you may want to try building your own prop there is a good little booklet available from Eric Clutton. I think I paid $10 for it and the info is more than worth it. Here is the address and number: Eric Clutton 913 Cedar Lane Tullahoma, TN 37388 931-455-2256 -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: DF Canopy KR group purchase? From: HAshraf@aol.com Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 02:05:11 EDT X-Message-Number: 36 Hi there, Count me in. I will need a canopy soon. Haris ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Finishing Advise From: Ross Youngblood Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 23:13:18 -0700 X-Message-Number: 37 Mike, I found a similar situation for my hand lay up work. My project looks great from 50 feet away. Seems like most folks won't get that close while I'm flying it anyway. -- Ross Mike Mims wrote: > > While I was sanding the top of my left wing yesterday I found more > places that need the slightest amount of filler and then more sanding. > This seems like a process that could go on forever! I was complaining > to Haris about the never ending process of filling and sanding (you guys > think gussets are bad, just wait!) and he said I should allow myself a > set amount of time and at the end of that limit call it good, otherwise > I could be at it for the next year. I think this is good advise for me > because I never set out to build a show stopper, just a plain ole > plane. I also remember Bobby Muse ( I think is was Bobby) saying that > once he gave up on building the perfect plain he made much better > progress. So I am allowing myself 20 hours to get the tops of the wings > ready for primer and another 15 hours to get the rest of the plane ready > for primer. I will build a log to tape up at the hanger and X out each > hour spent working. This should help keep the motivation up. > > -- > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > Micheal Mims > Filling and Sanding again! > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > http://members.home.com/mikemims/ > Aliso Viejo CA > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Dragonfly Canopy From: HAshraf@aol.com Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 02:24:04 EDT X-Message-Number: 38 In a message dated 99-07-08 00:23:13 EDT, you write: << . Yes the California company is run by a couple of flakes, but their procduct is first rate. They don't just make individual canopies when you order. >> I can drive down to their 'facility' and see what they got. Let me know if that is needed. Mike Mims told me he had no problems with them. Haris ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Arlington.... From: Tim Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 00:43:06 -0600 X-Message-Number: 39 Heading out in 3 hrs for the EAA fly-in (16.5 hr drive)...I'll check ya-all out sat/morn 10:am...at the ole firepit...If you'd like there is a few of us going to 'Porkies' Sat/nite. Tim Cold Lake...only one replacement for 'Speed'....more Speed! --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com