From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Saturday, July 10, 1999 12:15 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: July 09, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Friday, July 09, 1999. 1. Re: POSA needle 2. Re: Personal Minimums Checklist. 3. cheap gear legs 4. Re: cheap gear legs 5. Re: cheap gear legs 6. D-Fly Canopy - Bottom Line 7. Re: cheap gear legs 8. Re: cheap gear legs 9. Re: D-Fly Canopy - Bottom Line 10. Re: cheap gear legs 11. Re: ballistic parachute 12. Re: D-Fly Canopy - Bottom Line 13. Re: POSA needle 14. Re: prop 15. Re: D-Fly Canopy - Bottom Line 16. Re: D-Fly Canopy - Bottom Line 17. Re: D-Fly Canopy - Colors 18. Re: D-Fly Canopy - Credit Cards 19. DF Canopy & Tint ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: POSA needle From: Krwr1@aol.com Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 07:56:50 EDT X-Message-Number: 1 In a message dated 7/8/99 3:15:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ejanssen@chipsnet.com writes: << Paul, At some point I believe there was a fix for the rotating needle syndrome on the Posa. I think it was suggested that the throttle body be tapped for a set screw to keep the needle in place. I believe Bill Reents (KR-1 guru) had this same thing happen to him. Hope he sees this message - he could probably elaborate more on the subject. Ed Janssen >> Hi Paul ,Hi ED ,Bill here That did happen to my posa , but all I did was repack the needle ,( one of the reasons I got the name WildBill ) After all , It worked for 19 yrs as it was when I bought it .Although ,There should be a set screw holding the needle in place . I almost lost the KR because of it . Would be real easy to drill , and put in a set screw . ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Personal Minimums Checklist. From: JEHayward@aol.com Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:43:06 EDT X-Message-Number: 2 In a message dated 7/6/99 8:55:02 PM Mountain Daylight Time, Jaccoo@AOL.COM writes: << I ordered the Personal Minimums Checklist CD from the FAA and received it in about one week. I guess they haven't given away 2000 yet. Jack cooper >> Yep, found mine in the mail when I got back in town yesterday. Jim Hayward ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: cheap gear legs From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 10:40:19 -0400 X-Message-Number: 3 Folks, I believe I have found a set of cheap,(free), gear legs. while cleaning my garage/workshop today, I found a set of torsion bars off of an old dodge dart that I once owned. These things are 11/16" in diameter and far longer then I need. As is, they weigh around 6 lbs. If I cut them to length and taper them, like the tailwind gear legs, they should come in at under 4 lbs. each. Does anyone how the tailwind axles are mounted on the tapered rod gear legs? If I can make this work, It will save me a bunch of money. WD --------------------------------------------------------- Wayne DeLisle Sr. Charlotte, North Carolina USA mailto:dodger@accessnode.net (new address) mailto:dodger@coincidental.net (old address) http://accessnode.net/~dodger --------------------------------------------------------- Project Viking "Daring to venture forward from the Dark Ages" online FAQ/manual at http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: cheap gear legs From: Donald Reid Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 12:35:28 -0400 X-Message-Number: 4 Wayne DeLisle Sr. wrote: > while cleaning my garage/workshop today, I found a set > of torsion bars off of an old dodge dart that I once owned. > > These things are 11/16" in diameter and far longer then I need. > As is, they weigh around 6 lbs. If I cut them to length and taper > them, like the tailwind gear legs, they should come in at under > 4 lbs. each. > > Does anyone how the tailwind axles are mounted on the > tapered rod gear legs? > > If I can make this work, It will save me a bunch of money. The Tailwind gear leg fits inside a piece of relatively heavy tubing that is in turn welded to the fuselage structure. The gear legs and the mounting tubing are drilled for one or two bolts that hold the pieces together. For a taildragger, a mounting pad on the firewall, angled backwards could work. For a nosewheel, mounting pads on the back of the main spar would also be on option. -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: cheap gear legs From: Tim Key Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 12:52:20 -0400 X-Message-Number: 5 I will be out of town for two weeks. How do I suspend KRNet, so that my email doesn't get backed up? And then, how do I get back on afterwards? Thanks ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: D-Fly Canopy - Bottom Line From: "Dean Collette" Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:56:30 -0500 X-Message-Number: 6 I just got off the phone with the owner of Slipstream Here's the deal; Slipstream does own the molds for the canopy. Aircraft Windshields will not sell without authorization from Slipstream, so the only source for these canopies is Slipstream. The canopy is molded, not blown, that's why they look as nice as they do. In fact, due to the shape of the canopy, it's impossible to get a good result with a blown-type of manufacturing. Molded costs a bit more since there is more time involved in making these pieces. Slipstream normally sells the clear canopy for $465, and the tints for $540. If we buy them as a group he will sell them to us for $445 for the clear, and $495 for the tints. He explained that his margin is small so this discount is the best that he can do. He also told me what he is making on each one, and believe me, it isn't much. This is a one-time offer for KR builders since we would be buying as a group. We can work shipping like this. Some of the canopies will be drop shipped from the factory in California, for those that live closer to CA then WI (shipped freight collect.) For those of you that live near WI, canopies can be shipped from the Slipstream headquarters. Also, since I live close, I will be willing to pick up canopies at the Slipstream plant and deliver them to the gathering in September, for those who want to save the most in shipping costs. (For the guys that have me deliver the canopy or have them shipped from WI, there will be a small fee added by Slipstream to cover the cost of shipping from the factory in CA to WI, but this is SIGNIFICANTLY reduced since he has so many parts shipped at one time (somewhere in the $10-$20 range.) Aircraft Windshields makes these canopies ONLY when Slipstream orders them. Delivery time is about 30 days from when the order is placed, and that will be on 7/22/99. So, if you want one, here's what I need. Send me an email with: Name, address and phone number What color (clear, light gray, dark gray, or green) Shipping preference How you plan to pay for it. (I just want to know if you plan to write a check, or pay with a credit card.) We have to have the order to Slipstream by 7/21/99. And the order needs to be a single document (I will handle all of that) but, what this means to you is that I will need to have your credit card number when we place the order (I will call you for that, don't send it in an email.) Also, if you're not serious, don't tell me you want one and then back out. We need to have firm orders. One last thing. If you would like me to pick up your canopy and bring it to the gathering, my fee is 1 beer. I'll be happy to answer any questions you have, but email me direct. Dean Collette Milwaukee, Wisconsin mailto:drdean@execpc.com Web Page at http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/home.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: cheap gear legs From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 16:14:14 -0400 X-Message-Number: 7 At 12:35 PM 7/9/99 -0400, you wrote: >The Tailwind gear leg fits inside a piece of relatively heavy tubing >that is in turn welded to the fuselage structure. The gear legs and the >mounting tubing are drilled for one or two bolts that hold the pieces >together. For a taildragger, a mounting pad on the firewall, angled >backwards could work. For a nosewheel, mounting pads on the back of the >main spar would also be on option. > Thanks Don, that's good info. I'd like to understand how the wheel, brake and axle are mounted to the bottom of the gear leg. I can see 2 possibilities. 1. Machine the axle on the end of the rod, then bend the rod to get the axle horizontal and weld on whatever tabs that are needed to mount the brake caliper and wheel pant. 2. Machine the end of the gear leg so it is vertical and weld on a plate with mounting holes to accept pre-built axles, such as are sold by GPASC. I'm open to ideas. WD --------------------------------------------------------- Wayne DeLisle Sr. Charlotte, North Carolina USA mailto:dodger@accessnode.net http://accessnode.net/~dodger --------------------------------------------------------- Project Viking "Daring to venture forward from the Dark Ages" online FAQ/manual at http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: cheap gear legs From: "Tom Cummings" Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 17:32:08 -0500 X-Message-Number: 8 On Langair's website at there is link to two drawings that shows some detail on how the Tailwind axle is made on the gear leg. Hope it helps. Tom Cummings ---------- > From: Donald Reid > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Re: cheap gear legs > Date: Friday, July 09, 1999 11:35 AM > > Wayne DeLisle Sr. wrote: > > > while cleaning my garage/workshop today, I found a set > > of torsion bars off of an old dodge dart that I once owned. > > > > These things are 11/16" in diameter and far longer then I need. > > As is, they weigh around 6 lbs. If I cut them to length and taper > > them, like the tailwind gear legs, they should come in at under > > 4 lbs. each. > > > > Does anyone how the tailwind axles are mounted on the > > tapered rod gear legs? > > > > If I can make this work, It will save me a bunch of money. > > The Tailwind gear leg fits inside a piece of relatively heavy tubing > that is in turn welded to the fuselage structure. The gear legs and the > mounting tubing are drilled for one or two bolts that hold the pieces > together. For a taildragger, a mounting pad on the firewall, angled > backwards could work. For a nosewheel, mounting pads on the back of the > main spar would also be on option. > -- > Don Reid > Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com > KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm > Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: tomlc@communique.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: D-Fly Canopy - Bottom Line From: "Rick Hubka" Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:58:52 -0600 X-Message-Number: 9 > I just got off the phone with the owner of Slipstream Here's the deal; Hi Dean Thanks for contacting SlipStream and making arrangements Dean. I know you and I are as dissappointed as the rest of the KR builders at the discount amount. But saving $20 or $45 bucks is better than nothing if we are going to purchase the canopy anyways. I mean thats a case or two of building beer Right! AND...at least we tried for and did get a discount at some sort! I have sent you an unfinished list in a MS Word doc listing the scant information on the 17 prospective orders. I would imagine a few will drop out with the discount being roughly 5 or 10%. One question. What tint options are there? I wanted a grey tint and will have to pay shipping to Canada (oouuucchhh) As far as you calling with a visa number. Set a couple of hours aside when we can call you on our nickle. Then again time is money... Thanks again... Rick Hubka Email: rick@hubka.com Web Site: www.hubka.com Calgary, Alberta, Canada ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: cheap gear legs From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 19:42:48 -0400 X-Message-Number: 10 At 05:32 PM 7/9/99 -0500, you wrote: >On Langair's website at there is link to two >drawings that shows some detail on how the Tailwind axle is made on the >gear leg. Hope it helps. >Tom Cummings Thanks Tom, That's just what I wanted to see. WD --------------------------------------------------------- Wayne DeLisle Sr. Charlotte, North Carolina USA mailto:dodger@accessnode.net http://accessnode.net/~dodger --------------------------------------------------------- Project Viking "Daring to venture forward from the Dark Ages" online FAQ/manual at http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: ballistic parachute From: "Helio Gama" Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 21:16:21 -0300 X-Message-Number: 11 Tom Couldn't find this information at the BRS site. I didn't quite figure how it would look ... A few sketchs would be necessary .. Thanks -----Mensagem original----- De: Tom Andersen Para: KR-net users group Data: Quarta-feira, 7 de Julho de 1999 23:01 Assunto: [kr-net] Re: ballistic parachute >Helio, >I'm putting a BRS unit in my KR-2S. BRS makes a harness just for the KR-2 >which I bought. It wraps around the forward center spar and connects to the >tailwheel block for a three-point suspension system. The BRS 1050 is rated >for the weight of the KR with a maximum deployment speed of 150mph. It's >24lbs for the unit and another five for the kevlar straps. Call BRS for >more details, I'm sure they can lengthen the KR-2 one a foot or so if you >ask. From what I see there's a little slack to play with on the tail lead. >-Tom Andersen >Airconditioned 2-car garage last weekend, 78deg is a big difference from >87deg. >Installed center spar Monday. >Sheeting outer spars tonight. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Helio Gama >To: KR-net users group >Date: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 8:22 PM >Subject: [kr-net] ballistic parachute > > >>Hi everybody >>I'm new to this list and also as a builder. >>I need information on installing a ballistic chute in a KR-2S >>Any help will be appretiated >> >>Helio Gama >>Brasil >> >>--- >>You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: tomkr2s@t-three.com >>To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com >> >> > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: hapgama@zaz.com.br >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: D-Fly Canopy - Bottom Line From: JEHayward@aol.com Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 20:32:51 EDT X-Message-Number: 12 In a message dated 7/9/99 5:23:47 PM Mountain Daylight Time, rick@hubka.com writes: << As far as you calling with a visa number. Set a couple of hours aside when we can call you on our nickle. >> I really can't imagine who would be "tapped" into Dean's e-mail in hopes of getting someone's credit card #. I'll be sending mine to him via private e-mail. Jim Hayward Rapid City, SD ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: POSA needle From: Bobby Muse Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 19:45:00 -0500 X-Message-Number: 13 At 11:46 AM 07/08/1999 -0700, you wrote: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ego.mind.net id LAA15498 > >After the mild sputtering on the first flight I took the POSA carb apart just >to check it out and found the flat sided needle had rotated about 20 degrees. >It never really felt "snug" in the threads but had not moved a bit in 4 hrs. of >ground running and taxi testing. > >I've had it full throttle on the runway for maybe 7 or 8 seconds (20 times) but >the extra ram air flow from actually flying was what it took to rotate the >needle. If you use a POSA, make sure yours doesn't rotate on its own. > >Paul M. >Ashland, OR > > Paul, There was a mod to the posa 15-years ago, adding a set screw to prevent the needle from turning. I don't have a copy of that mod/change but if you don't receive a copy let me know.. I know my Dad has a copy. Bobby Muse mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: prop From: Bobby Muse Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 19:52:31 -0500 X-Message-Number: 14 At 05:21 PM 07/08/1999 -0400, you wrote: >> >> > Anyone have a 54" Dia. X 52" or 54" pitch prop for sale or loan? >> > >> > Tom Crawford >> > toys@atlantic.net >> > Gainesville, FL Tom... What is your bolt pattern? I would like to buy a prop 54" x 52" with a Lycoming bolt pattern for a VW. Bobby Muse mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: D-Fly Canopy - Bottom Line From: "Dean Collette" Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 20:23:45 -0500 X-Message-Number: 15 Rick and other Canopy-heads; Yes, I was hoping for a substantial discount considering how many buyers we have. The owner of Slipstream explained that it was always Viking's policy to keep the prices as low as possible on items such as this to maintain "goodwill." Slipstream has decided to uphold that tradition. Although the discount is not very much, it substantially drops his profit margin. After hearing what the man had to say, I would have to agree that this is the probably the best that he can do. The Tinting choices are: Clear Light Gray (smoke) Dark Gray (smoke) Green <-nobody ever orders this one. I did ask about individual buyers calling Slipstream with their credit card information, but it was clear that they wanted one order sheet with all of the information to keep things as error-proof as possible. I will post my home phone number and a couple of different times when I will be around if you would like to call me with your credit card information. If you want to send it via email - that's up to you. Dean Collette Milwaukee, Wisconsin mailto:drdean@execpc.com Web Page at http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/home.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Hubka To: KR-net users group Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 5:58 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: D-Fly Canopy - Bottom Line > > I just got off the phone with the owner of Slipstream Here's the deal; > > > Hi Dean > > Thanks for contacting SlipStream and making arrangements Dean. I know you > and I are as dissappointed as the rest of the KR builders at the discount > amount. But saving $20 or $45 bucks is better than nothing if we are going > to purchase the canopy anyways. I mean thats a case or two of building beer > Right! AND...at least we tried for and did get a discount at some sort! > > I have sent you an unfinished list in a MS Word doc listing the scant > information on the 17 prospective orders. I would imagine a few will drop > out with the discount being roughly 5 or 10%. > > One question. What tint options are there? > > I wanted a grey tint and will have to pay shipping to Canada (oouuucchhh) > > As far as you calling with a visa number. Set a couple of hours aside when > we can call you on our nickle. Then again time is money... > > Thanks again... > > Rick Hubka > Email: rick@hubka.com > Web Site: www.hubka.com > Calgary, Alberta, Canada > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: drdean@execpc.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: D-Fly Canopy - Bottom Line From: Mike Mims Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 20:49:56 -0700 X-Message-Number: 16 Dean Collette wrote: > Although the discount is not very much, it substantially > drops his profit margin. After hearing what the man had to say, I > would have to agree that this is the probably the best that he can do. > Last I heard Viking was paying about $420 for a canopy so I think the guy is doing the best he can. Not to mention you guys are getting it for $200 less than a KR2S canopy. Now that is a savings! Always and I mean always think of how much your saving not how much your spending! :o) -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: D-Fly Canopy - Colors From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 23:17:28 -0700 X-Message-Number: 17 On Fri, 9 Jul 1999 20:23:45 -0500 "Dean Collette" writes: > >The Tinting choices are: >Clear >Light Gray (smoke) >Dark Gray (smoke) >Green <-nobody ever orders this one. ^^^^^^ Uh, Mine is green. Don Betchem's (now Skip Cardon's) is green. JEB's is Green. It is a very light green tint. The Light Gray and Green are both light enough to meet the FAA specs for night flight, but both also have significant UV protection as well. Having said that, it's darned hot under that "green" canopy during the summer. :o) I can also tell you from experience that the night visibility through the "green" canopy is very good. There are some close-up pictures of my "green" canopy on the web page listed in my signature line if you want to compare for yourselves. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213w construction and first flight at http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: D-Fly Canopy - Credit Cards From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 23:16:42 -0700 X-Message-Number: 18 On Fri, 9 Jul 1999 20:32:51 EDT JEHayward@aol.com writes: > I really can't imagine who would be "tapped" into Dean's e-mail in hopes of > getting someone's credit card #. I'll be sending mine to him via private e-mail. > > Jim Hayward > Rapid City, SD > As a network and systems admin during my day job, I would say that you might be shocked at how many people can and do have sniffer programs that monitor networks just for number sequences like credit cards. My recommendation would be to send it to him via US Mail. $.02 worth of my professional expertise. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213w construction and first flight at http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: DF Canopy & Tint From: "Rick Hubka" Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 00:15:42 -0600 X-Message-Number: 19 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01BECA69.58DB5AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Guys I just peaked at Jeff Scott page and this a great pic of a DF Canopy pic = in Green tint! http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/524_6.jpg I did want grey but I want green now... Of course you should look at the rest of his pics : http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm Thanks jeff... My wife hates green! As far as the price break we are getting in our DF group purchase. It's = not much but it OK. You will havre to trust Dean C., Mike M. and = myself. SlipStream's profit margin is so small that I may build a = Dragon Fly next. They make less on one canopy that I make per hour as a = computer programmer. Now that should have you guessing!! After 2 weeks of clamping and jigging I finally T-88'ed (1) cross brace = between my 2 fuse sides tonight. I just would not epoxy till the blumb = bob & I were satisfied. Hopefully I can get back to making some = progress now. =20 Rick Hubka Email: rick@hubka.com Web Site: www.hubka.com Calgary, Alberta, Canada ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01BECA69.58DB5AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Guys
 
I just peaked at Jeff Scott page and this a great = pic of a DF=20 Canopy pic in Green tint!
http://www.thuntek.net/~je= b/524_6.jpg
 
I did want grey but I want green now...
 
Of course you should look at the rest of his = pics=20 :
http://www.thuntek.net/~j= eb/krjeff.htm
Thanks jeff...  My wife hates = green!
 
As far as the price break we are getting in our DF = group=20 purchase.  It's not much but it OK.  You will havre to trust = Dean C.,=20 Mike M. and myself.  SlipStream's profit margin is so small that I = may=20 build a Dragon Fly next.  They make less on one canopy that I make = per hour=20 as a computer programmer.  Now that should have you = guessing!!
 
After 2 weeks of clamping and jigging I finally = T-88'ed (1)=20 cross brace between my 2 fuse sides tonight.  I just would not = epoxy till=20 the blumb bob & I were satisfied.  Hopefully I can get back to = making=20 some progress now.
 
 
Rick Hubka
Email: rick@hubka.com
Web Site: www.hubka.com
Calgary, Alberta,=20 Canada
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