From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 1999 12:20 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: July 21, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Wednesday, July 21, 1999. 1. Re: Cockpit Fires 2. Re: FW: Cooling Problems 3. Re: FW: Cooling Problems 4. Black Glue...Benny Skyn 5. Re: thanks to many-fuel tanks and gear legs 6. Coming apart 7. Re: ELT'S 8. RE: weights 9. RE: weights 10. RE: weights 11. Spruce and glue 12. Visit Ross' KR2 13. Re: Spruce and glue 14. Re: Spruce and glue 15. Re: Spruce and glue 16. Re: Coming apart 17. Re: Spruce and glue 18. Re: Spruce and glue 19. Re: Spruce and glue 20. Re: Spruce and glue 21. Re: Spruce and glue 22. A Low-Cost Aviation Gasoline that gets the lead out 23. Re: A Low-Cost Aviation Gasoline that gets the lead out ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Cockpit Fires From: "Richard Parker" Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 02:44:59 PDT X-Message-Number: 1 if your plane is on fire due to a ruptured fuel spill I dont think the paint is going to help much. RP >From: Ross Youngblood >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" >To: "KR-net users group" >Subject: [kr-net] Re: Cockpit Fires >Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:33:13 -0700 > >Aircraft Spruce sells this type of firewall paint in the >catalog. Don't recall the price. > >Christopher Stewart wrote: > > > > Ive noticed the concern about cockpit fires, so ive come across >something > > that might be of use to us all, working in the mines here in WV we have >to > > go by laws and saftey that well, keep are asses alive, one that caught >my > > eye in the shop one day was a fire retardent paint made by a company >calle > > d Fire Control, the thing about this paint is that once its heated it >puffs > > up forming a foam layer to protect what ever its on, after testing it it > > worked pretty good, it puffed up about .25" after about 45 sec of direct > > flame contact with a lighter(poor mans testing lab, it goes on just like > > latex paint, its water soluble and can be put on in multible coats, > > give me a day or 2 and ill get the technical data on this particular >paint > > > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: richontheroad@hotmail.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: FW: Cooling Problems From: "John Weikel" Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 06:42:21 -0500 X-Message-Number: 2 Thanks for this information. This is a very good site for anyone using a liquid cooled engine... John W -----Original Message----- From: Willard561@aol.com To: KR-net users group Date: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 10:36 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: FW: Cooling Problems >Carlton: >I would suggest you look at the article on liquid cooling & radiator layout >at the following site http://home.inforamp.net/~raac/ . I found it very >informative > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jandd@maverickbbs.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: FW: Cooling Problems From: tom Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:37:29 -0400 X-Message-Number: 3 EveninBrz@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/20/99 12:09:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > CBlandford@mail.sbic.co.za writes: > > << I just cannot get my engine to cool properly at full throttle for longer > that 2 minutes on the ground. She will keep a constant temp at any setting > below 2500 RPM. Once the throttle is advanced beyond this point the engine > overheats in about 2 minutes. (flying makes no difference) >> > > Carlton, > I'm just guessing here but are you absolutely certain that the ignition > timing isn't too advanced? If I had an engine that was doing that the first > thing that I would check would be the timing. Make certain that your ignition > isn't too advanced at high RPM. > Larry > Carlton, What type of ignition are you using? Tom Crawford toys@atlantic.net Gainesville, FL N262TC ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Black Glue...Benny Skyn From: Ron Freiberger Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 19:24:57 -0500 X-Message-Number: 4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BED361.F5B94200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is probably the old Resorcinal ( Not Weldwood) which was the "required" glue for AC. I've used it, and it's a real pain... big time. Stains everything is sight and ruins clothing totally. The color ought to be very deep purple. I understand it is no longer recommened, but it's very good glue. I glued the wing back on on my Jodel D11, and toured all about. It was later wrecked with no apparent weakness in the repaired section. Ron Freiberger -----Original Message----- From: bounce-kr-net-19348@telelists.com [mailto:bounce-kr-net-19348@telelists.com]On Behalf Of Benny Skyn Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 7:34 PM To: KR-net users group Subject: [kr-net] glues I bought a fuselage from a friend...a kr 1. The sides (skins and vertical members) were glued with a black glue that has apparently held up over the years. However, the belly and cross members were glued with t-88 or some other glue that dries amber colored. It has crystallized over a span of 12 - 15 years of setting. The firewall is in good shape but the belly is being examined closely. The spar support blocks have been replaced using polyurethane wood glue. My question is concerning the black glue that the project was started with. The guy who used this glue was a true craftsman. His workmanship is to be admired, so much so that I trust his decision to use the black glue. The problem is I have no idea what the stuff was he was using. Has anyone ever seen this used? If so, what is it? Benny Skyn ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BED361.F5B94200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This=20 is probably the old Resorcinal ( Not Weldwood) which was the "required" = glue for=20 AC.  I've used it, and it's a real pain... big time.  Stains=20 everything is sight and ruins clothing totally.  =
The=20 color ought to be very deep purple.  I understand it is no  = longer=20 recommened, but it's very good glue.  I glued the wing back on on = my Jodel=20 D11, and toured all about.  It was later wrecked with no apparent = weakness=20 in the repaired section.
 
Ron=20 Freiberger
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From:=20 bounce-kr-net-19348@telelists.com=20 [mailto:bounce-kr-net-19348@telelists.com]On Behalf Of Benny=20 Skyn
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 7:34 PM
To: = KR-net users=20 group
Subject: [kr-net] glues

I bought a fuselage from a = friend...a kr 1.=20 The sides (skins and vertical members) were glued with a black glue = that has=20 apparently held up over the years. However, the belly and cross = members were=20 glued with t-88 or some other glue that dries amber colored. It has=20 crystallized over a span of 12 - 15 years of setting. The firewall is = in good=20 shape but the belly is being examined closely. The spar support blocks = have=20 been replaced using polyurethane wood glue.
My question is concerning the = black glue that=20 the project was started with. The guy who used this glue was a true = craftsman.=20 His workmanship is to be admired, so much so that I trust his decision = to use=20 the black glue. The problem is I have no idea what the stuff was he = was using.=20 Has anyone ever seen this used? If so, what is it?
 
Benny=20 Skyn
------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BED361.F5B94200-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: thanks to many-fuel tanks and gear legs From: Bobby Muse Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:14:21 -0500 X-Message-Number: 5 At 10:50 PM 07/20/1999 -0700, you wrote: > > >On Tue, 20 Jul 1999 19:01:34 -0700 g hamilton writes: >>Thank you all for information on fuel tank construction. Some said >>they used the Safe-T-Poxy but would use VinylEster if they would do it >>today but didn't say why other than the Safe-T-Poxy is no longer >>available. > >Guess that was a quote from me. I'd use Vinyl Ester because 1) >Safe-T-Poxy isn't available any more. 2) Vinyl Ester has better >resistance to breaking down when used with Auto fuels which may have >small amounts of alcohol or other oxidizers added to it. > >Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM > I second that. But if Safe-T-poxy was available, I'll use Safe-T-Poxy. Bobby Muse mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Coming apart From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:17:48 EDT X-Message-Number: 6 In a message dated 7/20/99 8:38:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, EveninBrz@aol.com writes: << Are you talking about the one that came apart at the Dry Lakes around 1981 or so? If you are that wasn't a KR, it was a copy. It was an all glass fuselage and flutter was what got him. Larry >> I don't remember where it was at but heard the guy literally built the thing in something like a month. It was supposedly extremely heavy. The pilot and his girlfriend were doing a high speed low pass when the airplane came apart. Dana Overall 1999 KR Gathering host Richmond, Ky mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.goecities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: ELT'S From: "w.g. kirkland" Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:42:58 -0400 X-Message-Number: 7 Mike & Terri; We had a recent crash here. The ELT didn't work. It was broken up in the crash. They aren't crash proof. Where they are really usefull is when the crash is controlled enough that there are survivors. In 4 yrs on S&R never did find one that workedby itself. If you think the ones we have now are expensive wait till u see the price of the next generation. 3k+. Incidently this guy took off in below IFR limits with no IFR rating, in fact his licence wasn't valid. he was flying an Mu2. wE FOUND HIM LESS THAN A MILE FROM THE A/P. W.G. KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ---------- > From: garbez > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] ELT'S > Date: Monday, July 19, 1999 11:42 PM > > I would like your thoughts on a subject that has me very upset. With the > crash of JFK Jr.'s airplane and many others, it has come to mind that the > ELT's required by the FAA don't work. More times than not searchers look > for crash sites for days or more. If the ELT worked it should take only > hours to find any signal. What's wrong with the technology that it takes so > long to find the signal if it is located at all? I understand how important > ELT's are and a great idea, but it seems they don't work as well as they > could and as they are now are just added weight. What's the answer to this > piece of equipment that is quite expensive and doesn't seem to do the job as > well as it should. We all depend on them in an emergency and would like > them to help rescures find us as soon as possible, hours not days or weeks, > or maybe not at all. Is anyone else concerned? I think we as a group could > do something to bring the awareness of the inadequate ELT into the public > eye. It seems to me with the technology of today a better more sufficient > piece of equipment could and should be designed. > > Mike and Teri Garbez N998MG > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: kirkland@vianet.on.ca > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: weights From: "Eduardo Iglesias" Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:10:38 -0300 X-Message-Number: 8 Henning Yes, I have my wing tanks in the outher wings because the retract gear, and yes, the 8 Kg of the four pieces are rudder, fin, elevator and HS. Regards Eduardo ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: weights From: "Henning Mortensen" Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:59:19 PDT X-Message-Number: 9 Thanks, and happy building >From: "Eduardo Iglesias" >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" >To: "KR-net users group" >Subject: [kr-net] RE: weights >Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:10:38 -0300 > >Henning >Yes, I have my wing tanks in the outher wings because the retract gear, and >yes, the 8 Kg of the four pieces are rudder, fin, elevator and HS. >Regards >Eduardo > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: henning_kr2@hotmail.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: weights From: "Henning Mortensen" Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 14:00:21 PDT X-Message-Number: 10 My apologies, should have gone directly to Eduardo. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Spruce and glue From: "Edwin Blocher" Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:50:11 -0500 X-Message-Number: 11 I am ready now to order my 5/8 sq. spruce. Does anyone have any tips or hints. Last time I talked to them Wicks had a 3 to 4 week delivery time and AS&S was 8 to 12 weeks. Wicks is somewhat more expensive. Also I plan to use Aerolite on the spruce and T88 to glue the ply on. Any problems with this? Ed Blocher Moody AL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Visit Ross' KR2 From: "Larry O'Rourke" Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:1:4 X-Message-Number: 12 Could you leave me a phone number that I might call to schedule a visit to see your KR2? Thanks. Larry O'Rourke ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Spruce and glue From: "Mark Langford" Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 19:14:41 -0500 X-Message-Number: 13 > expensive. Also I plan to use Aerolite on the spruce and T88 to glue the ply > on. Any problems with this? Why not use T-88 for both? Don't know much about Aerolite, but I can't imagine that it's any better than T-88, especially for curing at low temperatures and filling fairly large vertical gaps. I forget where Moody AL is, but you're welcome to come see me sometime... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Spruce and glue From: Tim Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:32:55 -0600 X-Message-Number: 14 Ed, You can try 'Western Aircraft Supplies'. Calgary, Alberta Ph# (403) 276-3087, Fax# (403) 250-1955. Jean (owner) told me that he sent out 75 pietenpol Spruce kits last year...His Spruce comes from British Columbia where the last of the big ones live. He usually has a good inventory. I got his number out of the Kitplanes Jan 99 plans built listings, as he has his own design flying for many yrs now and has been selling spruce for over 30yrs. Tim Cold lake, Alberta Edwin Blocher wrote: > I am ready now to order my 5/8 sq. spruce. Does anyone have any tips or hints. Last time I talked to them Wicks had a 3 to 4 week delivery time and AS&S was 8 to 12 weeks. Wicks is somewhat more expensive. Also I plan to use Aerolite on the spruce and T88 to glue the ply on. Any problems with this? > > Ed Blocher > Moody AL > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: timemach@telusplanet.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Spruce and glue From: Tim Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:40:56 -0600 X-Message-Number: 15 I second Mark's comments about using T-88, all the way. Aerolite uses water mixed with the powder...like a chocolate cake recipe does "yeech!"...and the way it is applied to the harder is not my idea of good mixing Tim Cold Lake, Alberta Mark Langford wrote: > > Why not use T-88 for both? Don't know much about Aerolite, but I can't imagine that it's any better than T-88, especially for curing at low temperatures and filling fairly large vertical gaps. > > I forget where Moody AL is, but you're welcome to come see me sometime... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: timemach@telusplanet.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Coming apart From: EveninBrz@aol.com Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 21:16:22 EDT X-Message-Number: 16 In a message dated 7/21/99 10:22:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, KR2616TJ@aol.com writes: << t the one that came apart at the Dry Lakes around 1981 or so? If you are that wasn't a KR, it was a copy. It was an all glass fuselage and flutter was what got him. Larry >> I don't remember where it was at but heard the guy literally built the thing in something like a month. It was supposedly extremely heavy. The pilot and his girlfriend were doing a high speed low pass when the airplane came apart. Dana Overall 1999 KR Gathering host Richmond, Ky mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com >> Yep, that was Brad Hummel and his girlfriend Patti. You are right about it being built in a month. But it was not a KR. The Fuselage was made from a mold that was taken from a KR at Chino. It was interior braced with foam and glass. Don't know how many layers that they used on the fuselage. I was there that day but left before it happened. If I remember right Dan Deihl was there also. Very tragic day. But it wasn't a Kr at all it was a knock off of one. Larry Shull EveninBrz@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Spruce and glue From: "Tom Andersen" Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:35:04 -0400 X-Message-Number: 17 I was going to buy my spruce again I wouldn't bother getting it shipped by truck. I would simply order the longest length they could get UPS to ship, then splice the wood together with a 10:1 ratio splice to make up the longerons, putting the splices well behind the wing spar, somewhere in the middle of the turtledeck area. The wood doesn't have to bend much out there. Same thing for the plywood, a few more scarf joints won't hurt, they're just as strong as the original ply. The shipping is a waste of money. ---------------------- I'm going out on a limb here and just speak my mind, flames or no. I also wouldn't bother with all those darn gussets, the whole fuse is sheeted with plywood! Many airplanes use only small plywood gussets on the outside to hold the fuse together, and granted they don't have the speed-induced stress of the KR fuse, but the whole thing is sheeted with plywood! It's hard to believe a few more plywood gussets on the inside wouldn't be as strong. Maybe a few gussets up near the firewall area and around the forward spar, but in the rear sides?? ---------------------- Also, if they cut your spars too large, like they did mine, get an electric plane to pare them down. Heck, get the Black and Decker electric plane just to taper the spars. It's $60 but nothing is as simple and precise to use. Just draw your lines and plane down to them. A 4" belt sander/6"disc sander is practically a requirement, as cutting to a line is a useless proposition unless you have a radial arm $aw. -Tom Andersen Orlando, FL Mounting elevator hinges (3 on a cut-down elevator, 8" off each side), sheeting left spar, left gear leg glassing, center spar mounted, gear leg castings mounted, I've been busy now that it's 77 deg in my garage with the new A/C unit. -----Original Message----- From: Edwin Blocher To: KR-net users group Date: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 6:54 PM Subject: [kr-net] Spruce and glue >I am ready now to order my 5/8 sq. spruce. >Does anyone have any tips or hints. Last time I talked to them Wicks had a 3 >to 4 week delivery time and AS&S was 8 to 12 weeks. Wicks is somewhat more >expensive. Also I plan to use Aerolite on the spruce and T88 to glue the ply >on. Any problems with this? > >Ed Blocher >Moody AL > > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: tomkr2s@t-three.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Spruce and glue From: "Dean Collette" Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:05:32 -0500 X-Message-Number: 18 Tom wrote; > I'm going out on a limb here and just speak my mind, flames or no. > I also wouldn't bother with all those darn gussets, the whole fuse is > sheeted with plywood . . . Tom, No flames. I'm not even going to touch the structural considerations, although, I'd like to. The only thing I am going to say is - try and get that past the inspector. The plans call out gussets, and a good many of the inspectors are guys from the "real" wooden airplane era. . . . Dean Collette Milwaukee, Wisconsin mailto:drdean@execpc.com Web Page at http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/home.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Spruce and glue From: Ross Youngblood Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 21:47:19 -0700 X-Message-Number: 19 Ed, I would skip the Aerolite and use T88. The epoxy will generate much better bonds than the old technology glues. Wicks or ACS are both good. However for Spruce, the general feeling around here is that Wicks has slightly better quality in the cutting of the material. Their is a guy out here in Oregon who builds expensive bi-plane wings for folks and he buys all his wood from Wicks. My KR wood kit was from Wicks, but occasionally I will buy from ACS. -- Regards Ross Edwin Blocher wrote: > > I am ready now to order my 5/8 sq. spruce. > Does anyone have any tips or hints. Last time I talked to them Wicks had a 3 > to 4 week delivery time and AS&S was 8 to 12 weeks. Wicks is somewhat more > expensive. Also I plan to use Aerolite on the spruce and T88 to glue the ply > on. Any problems with this? > > Ed Blocher > Moody AL > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Spruce and glue From: GREG S MARTIN Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 21:46:28 -0700 X-Message-Number: 20 Yes, I have a very good source for spruce. It's called 'Wood Wing' in Shafter, California. The fellows name is Paul Plumb. I saw the wood and It was top quality, about 30 grain (growth rings) per inch. His phone number is, 661-391-9464. He's open abut 8"30 am to 5:00 pm Monday thru Friday. But no, I didn't get any prices from him as his and I were both to busy to stop and talk. But I did see the wood and man is it excellent material. I believe he could get it out quickly also. You'll just have to call to get it strait from the horses mouth. Happy building and/or flying Greg Martin Bakersfield, CA On Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:50:11 -0500 "Edwin Blocher" writes: >I am ready now to order my 5/8 sq. spruce. >Does anyone have any tips or hints. Last time I talked to them Wicks >had a 3 >to 4 week delivery time and AS&S was 8 to 12 weeks. Wicks is somewhat >more >expensive. Also I plan to use Aerolite on the spruce and T88 to glue >the ply >on. Any problems with this? > >Ed Blocher >Moody AL > > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: idrawtobuild@juno.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Spruce and glue From: David Mullins Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 01:22:58 -0400 X-Message-Number: 21 Ed, It has been 4 weeks since I ordered my spruce from Jean Peters at Western Aircraft Supplies. Jean called me last thursday and said he was in the hospital for a few days and would get back to work on my order the next day. I tried calling Wenesday morning, no answer. Will try again today. His prices are competitive and he ships by air (cheaper than by truck from Canada). Jean cuts the full spar caps so you will not have to laminate them and he will taper your outer main spars in one direction too. Dave Mullins Nashua, NH Mailto:dmullins@ici.net KR2S or BUST! Edwin Blocher wrote: > > I am ready now to order my 5/8 sq. spruce. > Does anyone have any tips or hints. Last time I talked to them Wicks had a 3 > to 4 week delivery time and AS&S was 8 to 12 weeks. Wicks is somewhat more > expensive. Also I plan to use Aerolite on the spruce and T88 to glue the ply > on. Any problems with this? > > Ed Blocher > Moody AL > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: dmullins@ici.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: A Low-Cost Aviation Gasoline that gets the lead out From: David Mullins Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 01:30:30 -0400 X-Message-Number: 22 Netters, Here is a article about a new avgas called AGE85 that one of my tech counselors sent me, so I am passing it on to you guys. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/07/990720083151.htm Dave M Nashua, NH ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: A Low-Cost Aviation Gasoline that gets the lead out From: "Dean Collette" Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 01:39:47 -0500 X-Message-Number: 23 Dave, The price sounds good, but there is more to the story. Thinking back to my chemistry days I seem to recall that ethanol yields 80-90% as much energy per unit volume as traditional fuels. So, you end up with less range, and when the engine is at full throttle - less power (when you really want it.) Also, ethanol has a lower boiling point (about 80C or 175F) at sea level, but we don't fly at sea level, and the boiling point decreases significantly as you climb. I suppose that for most of use using carbuerated engines this isn't all that big of a concern, but if your engine is injected, and the fuel gets a little warm before it gets to the injector - vapor lock. Thanks, but I'll keep my ethanol where it belongs - in my beer. Dean Collette Milwaukee, Wisconsin mailto:drdean@execpc.com Web Page at http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/home.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: David Mullins To: KR-net users group Sent: Thursday, July 22, 1999 12:30 AM Subject: [kr-net] A Low-Cost Aviation Gasoline that gets the lead out > Netters, > > Here is a article about a new avgas called AGE85 that one of my tech > counselors sent me, so I am passing it on to you guys. > > > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/07/990720083151.htm > > > Dave M > Nashua, NH > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: drdean@execpc.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com