From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Saturday, July 24, 1999 12:15 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: July 23, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Friday, July 23, 1999. 1. Re: J antenna 2. Gathering-Last Day 3. Re: HAPI rebuild 4. AGE85 5. Alternative fuels- no archive 6. Longerons 7. Re: Longerons 8. New E-mail Address 9. Re: Longerons 10. Re: Longerons 11. Re: Weights....W&B... 12. Aviation reference links 13. Re: Longerons 14. Re: Longerons 15. Alternative Fuels 16. Skinning a Fuselage without Staples 17. RE: Longerons 18. Re: A Low-Cost Aviation Gasoline that gets the lead out 19. Re: Center Spars 20. Re: J antenna ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: J antenna From: "Mark Langford" Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 06:17:34 -0500 X-Message-Number: 1 > Please let me know what measurements you used for the lengths, i see on your > drawing 67.8 ?? is this mm , m , feet, inches,cm etc The units are in inches. Sorry, I guess I thought it was obvious. 1/2 mm tubing would be kinda small, and 1/2 foot tubing would be kinda big. And I figured the " (inch) symbol shown in 4 different places was a dead giveaway. I'll try to do better next time. Please accept my apologies for such shoddy work. I'll fix it tonight... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Gathering-Last Day From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 07:23:09 EDT X-Message-Number: 2 This is it guys, if you are going to be staying at the lodge you have to call before 4:00PM EST today. I will be calling at 4:01PM to release any unreserved rooms to the public. 1-800-325-1708. Dana Overall 1999 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: HAPI rebuild From: "John Weikel" Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 06:37:43 -0500 X-Message-Number: 3 Try Steve Bennet at Great Plains Aviation Supply. If he can't do it, he can probably point you in the right direction. Nice guy too......... John W KR-2S RW-6 Minnie Winnie resurrection project Kerrville, Tx -----Original Message----- From: David McKelvey To: KR-net users group Date: Thursday, July 22, 1999 4:46 PM Subject: [kr-net] HAPI rebuild >Does anyone know where I can get a HAPI eng o/h'd >or am I gonna have to roll up my sleeves and get after >it? > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: AGE85 From: Aubrey Dunham Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 08:23:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Message-Number: 4 KR-netters: Last night I thought of something: Isn't the specific gravity of ethanol much closer to water than gasoline is? If so, this means that this new fuel will weigh more per gallon (somewhere around 7 to 8 lb/gal?). For those people with, say, 30 gallons capacity will add 30 to 60 lb. with full tanks. Does anyone have that info? -Aubrey Dunham San Antonio, TX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Alternative fuels- no archive From: "Oscar Zuniga" Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 06:36:36 PDT X-Message-Number: 5 Somebody wrote: >Pork Lard? Are you kidding me? Do any of us really want that >in our airplanes? Can you imagine someone taxiing by, and the >exhaust >smells like bacon? Man, I'm surprised nobody took this bait. Mike Mims, in the Sky Pig, is a natural for this fuel! ;o) On the matter of weight & balance spreadsheet, I think it's been mentioned here several times before that the KR wouldn't mind some more weight up front. The light VW setups have to be mounted on spool standoffs to get the weight out there. If you do most of your fuel in the wings, you do help the problem of CG shift as fuel burns off, but you hurt yourself in the W&B unless you're running a Subaru or something else heavy up there. I guess Mark Langford can run jugs of water up in his "stash dash" to keep the CG forward, eh? The guy with a turbine-powered KR had a lengthy engine mount to put the weight far enough forward... sort of like the turbine Luscombe in last month's Sport Aviation. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon website at http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/ _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Longerons From: "Edwin Blocher" Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:23:44 -0500 X-Message-Number: 6 Tom wrote: If I had it to do over again I would buy lengths that could be shipped UPS and splice the longerons. Has any one done this? A splice could be made at station K (and reinforced with a ply gusset) using 7' spruce. What about the strength? Ed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Longerons From: "John Weikel" Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:26:40 -0500 X-Message-Number: 7 Ed, I did just that on my RW-6 and would do it again. My tests show that the scarfed joints are at least as strong as the unspliced members. John W KR-2S RW-6 Kerrville, Tx -----Original Message----- From: Edwin Blocher To: KR-net users group Date: Friday, July 23, 1999 10:23 AM Subject: [kr-net] Longerons >Tom wrote: If I had it to do over again I would buy lengths that could be >shipped UPS and splice the longerons. >Has any one done this? A splice could be made at station K (and reinforced >with a ply gusset) using 7' spruce. What about the strength? >Ed > > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jandd@maverickbbs.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: New E-mail Address From: FLYKR2S@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:35:30 EDT X-Message-Number: 8 Please note I have a new E-mail address: flykr2s@execpc.com My old address will still be active till the end of the month. Please make this correction in your records. Thanks, Mark Jones (N886MJ) Waukesha, WI flykr2s@execpc.com http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Longerons From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:49:11 -0400 X-Message-Number: 9 At 11:26 AM 7/23/99 -0500, you wrote: >Ed, >I did just that on my RW-6 and would do it again. My tests show that the >scarfed joints are at least as strong as the unspliced members. >John W >KR-2S >RW-6 Alright, alright, I have to ask, What's an RW6?? WD --------------------------------------------------------- Wayne DeLisle Sr. Charlotte, North Carolina USA mailto:dodger@accessnode.net http://accessnode.net/~dodger --------------------------------------------------------- Project Viking "Daring to venture forward from the Dark Ages" online FAQ/manual at http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Longerons From: "John Weikel" Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:07:13 -0500 X-Message-Number: 10 Wayne, A RW-6 is a Rag Wing Parasol. 1/2 VW one seater high wing wood & fabric. John W -----Original Message----- From: Wayne DeLisle Sr. To: KR-net users group Date: Friday, July 23, 1999 11:49 AM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Longerons >At 11:26 AM 7/23/99 -0500, you wrote: >>Ed, >>I did just that on my RW-6 and would do it again. My tests show that the >>scarfed joints are at least as strong as the unspliced members. >>John W >>KR-2S >>RW-6 > >Alright, alright, I have to ask, What's an RW6?? > >WD >--------------------------------------------------------- >Wayne DeLisle Sr. >Charlotte, North Carolina USA >mailto:dodger@accessnode.net >http://accessnode.net/~dodger >--------------------------------------------------------- >Project Viking "Daring to venture forward from the Dark Ages" >online FAQ/manual at http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jandd@maverickbbs.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Weights....W&B... From: "R.W. Moore" Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:54:50 -0400 X-Message-Number: 11 If you have a W&B progran that would work on KR1 and other airplanes I would like to have one, if I can afford it. R. W. Moore N115RM ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim To: KR-net users group Sent: Thursday, July 22, 1999 8:10 PM Subject: [kr-net] Weights....W&B... > OK...I'm stupid!.....Like I was telling you all, I went to Area 51 > Weights page to use the W&B sheet and the data (bottom of page). So I > expanded the worksheet (more room in/between the rows for my pencil) and > printed some out, to do calculations...longhand, right? WRONG...! > > The program does this itself, you enter the weights (and arms if a > change is needed) then the rest is automatic...just like that!...it told > me to lose weight :-o and that my steel block 351 Cleveland might be > just a tad too heavy ;-) > > I should take a basic computor course, but it's more Fun teaching > yourself...Mark/Dean 'smart cookies'...If any of you guy's are like me > and want this up/running, send me an email and I'll walk you thru the > Zipfile download/excel..BS > > ToolTim-e > Cold Lake, AB > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rwmoore@alltel.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Aviation reference links From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:43:26 -0500 X-Message-Number: 12 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BED508.F55CB1E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here's an interesting collection of aviation related links. http://www.axess.com/users/wings/avilinks.htm#mechanic Ed Janssen ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BED508.F55CB1E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BED508.F55CB1E0-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Longerons From: KMcke19117@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 15:11:42 EDT X-Message-Number: 13 I believe that FAA requires a minimum 6" joint. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Longerons From: KMcke19117@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 15:13:47 EDT X-Message-Number: 14 RW6 is one of Roger Manns designs. He has several wood and fabric designs and sells the plans dirt cheap. I am also building a RW PT2S. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Alternative Fuels From: Monet Laigo Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:28:09 -0700 X-Message-Number: 15 Know what guys?, We have been running soy and coco diesel on our farms in Asia for a while now. Engine exhaust is supposed to be environmentally friendly too. It doesn't seem to harm the tractors any (yet). 2 old Intl. Harvesters, an old Massey Ferguson, a big old Ford 5000, and a Japanese Yanmar have been running for a little over 3 1/2 years. Also, our potato peels? They get distilled into rot gut vodka, another possible source of future fuel. Keeps the natives happy. I also distill moonshine from coconut juice. Good stuff ! Shiners' run their engines on the alcohol that they produce, bribe the local constabulary with it too. Anyway, I will start building as soon as I get my work 'shack' together. Anybody want to tell me 'good' floor dimensions to aim for? Can't build it too big or elaborate, it'll eat up my airplane money. As it is I have stopped flying to make sure that I'd have the funds to build. Tim (tool man) and Bud, I may be pestering you guys soon with questions on "proper" KR bandit construction. CAVU y'all !!, Monet ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Skinning a Fuselage without Staples From: "T.Flemming" Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:59:51 -0500 X-Message-Number: 16 Just a little update, I have put the plywood on the first 8' of the fuselage without the use of staples including the bottom of the fuse (execpt about 10 staples give or take a few). Now I realize that not many will be willing to build a third fuselage side to do this trick with. So this may not benefit many people, but the bottom is done differently than the sides. So you may want to check this route out. ( just depends on how much you hate to pull staples.) I know i didn't like pulling out those few I put in. I have respect for anyone that has pulled out a whole sides worth of staples. You can see more at my website. I have added about 50 pictures and about 8 pages or so to the site. I kept the pics small in size and divided the Fuselage page up into 6 sections to help download time. One more thing since it is Friday. I have KR-2S header tank for sell for $150.00 plus shipping. Trent & Kellie Flemming tflemming@texramp.net www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hall/9098 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Longerons From: Ron Freiberger Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 15:04:18 -0500 X-Message-Number: 17 They are not longerons, thet are corner glue blocks... Ron Freiberger -----Original Message----- From: bounce-kr-net-19348@telelists.com [mailto:bounce-kr-net-19348@telelists.com]On Behalf Of Edwin Blocher Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 10:24 AM To: KR-net users group Subject: [kr-net] Longerons Tom wrote: If I had it to do over again I would buy lengths that could be shipped UPS and splice the longerons. Has any one done this? A splice could be made at station K (and reinforced with a ply gusset) using 7' spruce. What about the strength? Ed --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: ronald.freiberger@cwix.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: A Low-Cost Aviation Gasoline that gets the lead out From: "Ronald R. Eason" Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 21:08:47 -0700 X-Message-Number: 18 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01BED54F.8E63F240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thursday, July 22, 1999 11:03 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: A Low-Cost Aviation Gasoline that gets the lead out >Pork Lard? Are you kidding me? Do any of us really >>want that in our airplanes? Can you imagine someone taxiing by, and the >>exhaust smells like bacon? This all sounds fine for automobiles, but >>until I see it in use for several years with no problems, I prefer to >>use the "tried and true" stuff. > >We can bury our heads in the sand if we want, but the "tried and true" >stuff is tetraethyl lead, and it'll be gone before long. This new fuel >is supposed to work fine in most of the GA fleet, including engines that >clog up their valves on 100LL. Also, ethanol-based fuel would be vastly >safer if the tank cracked open in an accident. > >Finally, I've recently been reading "Paper Money," the story of how our >dependence on imported oil ruined the economy of the US in the 70's. >Cottonseed, pork lard, etc., we can grow right here. > >Mike Taglieri > Mike, I've used alcohol in auto engines before. Once in a full race modified v8 and while I was in Iowa driving my Honda. No problems, better performance, cleaner engine. No freezing gas lines and etc. Look at a bottle on "heat" fuel antifreeze additive and tell me what it says. It's going to be OK. By the way after I re-jetted the carbs on my v8 to burn 100% alcohol it produced more power than when I ran high grade gasoline. The intake manifold would form ice on it because of the thermodynamics of the fuel. we are here in the midwest where humidity is high). KRRon ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01BED54F.8E63F240 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; name="Ronald R. Eason Sr..vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Ronald R. Eason Sr..vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Eason Sr.;Ronald;R. FN:Ronald R. Eason Sr. ORG:J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd.;Engineering TITLE:C.E.O., President TEL;WORK;VOICE:816-468-4091 TEL;HOME;VOICE:816-468-4425 TEL;PAGER;VOICE:816-989-9692 TEL;WORK;FAX:816-468-5465 TEL;HOME;FAX:816-468-5465 ADR;WORK:;jrlkc@mindspring.com;7333 North = Brooklyn;Gladstone,;MO.;64118-2329;U.S.A. 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I assume that I should increase > rhe length of the center spar by that 6 in. Is that what everyone elese that > widens the fueslage doing? Also there is a 4 in crack in the plywood, it > appears just the top layer is loose along that. Whats the best way to fix > that? > > Dose anyone on the net in the Minneapolis area have one flying? > > Jim McGillicuddy > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: J antenna From: Ross Youngblood Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 19:28:35 -0700 X-Message-Number: 20 Rob, Mark Langford is the one with the "J-pole" antenna. I think you can get the article from the RST avionics website. If I'm not mistaken there was a Kitplanes article on this some time ago, and Jim Weir maintains the reprints on his website. I think the link is http://www.rst-engr.com but I might be wrong. Ross Rob Matthews wrote: > > Hi Ross > Please let me know what measurements you used for the lengths, i see on your > drawing 67.8 ?? is this mm , m , feet, inches,cm etc > Regards > Rob Matthews Have A Wonderful Day > South Africa ( Sunny Skies ) > KR 2 - ZS - VCM > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Langford > To: KR-net users group > Date: Friday, 23 July, 1999 04:20 > Subject: [kr-net] J antenna > > >AntennaHeads, > > > >It's a little quiet tonight, so let me throw this out. > > > >A couple of guys have asked for the drawing that I promised of my > "plumber's > >dream" J pipe 127 MHz base station antenna. I copied the Jim Weir version > >from the July 88 Kitplanes. It works great, with reception of aircraft and > >towers from Atlanta to Memphis, and all around. Easily a 100 mile radius, > >and then some. The drawing pretty much says it all, and is at > >http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/antenna.jpg . The only thing missing from > >the drawing is a little 1" length of copper pipe used to join the tee and > >the elbow (although it's shown). The tee can be 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 if you > >don't need the strength of a 3/4" mast. There's also a stainless steel nut > >soldered under the cap of the short part (the reflector) that the stainless > >steel screw goes into. You're supposed to tune the thing with a SWR meter, > >but I haven't bothered to do that yet, and won't transmit on it until I do. > >All joints are soldered together using flux, pipe solder, and a propane > >torch. It's a half hour job to make this thing, and it works great! > > > >Apparently the antenna stops at the bottom of the J, and even if you use > >copper tubing to make a mast, it doesn't have to be insulated, from what I > >gather. The connections are the braided one to the tall element, and the > >center wire to the short one. The wires go into ring terminals which are > >screwed and soldered to the pipe for good measure. Length of the coax from > >antenna to radio is immaterial. > > > >Tomorrow night I close out my wing, and build a "flip-o-matic" so I can > >glass the passenger wing either this weekend or next weekend... > > > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > >mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > >see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > > > > > >--- > >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: mathewrz@iafrica.com > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com