From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Sunday, July 25, 1999 12:10 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: July 24, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Saturday, July 24, 1999. 1. Aviation...stuff 2. Re: J antenna 3. Re: Alternative Fuels 4. Re: Center Spars 5. 1998 Gathering Video 6. Re: Weights....W&B... 7. Re: Longerons 8. Re: Center Spars 9. Re: Center Spars 10. New KRnet wing, was: Center Spars 11. Re: New KRnet wing, was: Center Spars 12. Epoxy Resin Forum at Oshkosh 13. Re: How to unsubscribe 14. Re: Longerons 15. KR-2 plans for sale 16. Re: 1998 Gathering Video 17. Re: How to unsubscribe 18. Re: KR-2 plans for sale 19. Re: KR-2 plans for sale 20. New Engine Developement 21. New Developements and Information on Bonding 22. Re: New Developements and Information on Bonding 23. Re: New Developements and Information on Bonding 24. VW question 25. Re: VW question 26. 2nd flight ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Aviation...stuff From: Tim Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 03:45:24 -0600 X-Message-Number: 1 Dudes, ToolTim-e here; Meet and greet tonight for the Intl Airshow. Talked with Julie (Skinny 'Butt' Nice) and Chris Payette/Hatfield (Canadian Astronauts) I brought up Neil Armstrongs, Story about his remark while stepping up (not down) onto the LEM...."Good Luck, Mr Gorksy"....NASA denies Neil's remark...but just this last June The ole Apollo Chief Mission Cntl Engineer told me different..."sorry still Classified". Alan Horne....(play with the Bull get the Horn'e? ;-) The B1 Bomber is here, so our 'O' group is on...the B-52 Strato- cancelled..operational requirement...(?)...Not another War?... Shizen, I think it's time to move...Totally...Like lifestyle Change, Dudes!. AND Two, yes 2, Civilian F-104 Starfighters, painted very Funky...Not Static but Demo's Flying in the Show...WOW, been dam near 20yrs since those engines used to wake me up in Comox, worth the price of Addmission... ToolTim-e ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: J antenna From: "Mark Langford" Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 08:11:03 -0500 X-Message-Number: 2 > Please let me know what measurements you used for the lengths, i see on your > drawing 67.8 ?? is this mm , m , feet, inches,cm etc The new "international" version of the J antenna is now out there at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/antenna.jpg . I really wasn't as ticked off as my reply to Rob may have seemed the other day. It's just that I don't have a smiley face on my keyboard. I'm not sure what the Australians and South Africans use as their standard copper tubing for home plumbing, but I'm sure it'll do just fine as long as the lengths are correct. I'd rather live in a metric world, myself... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Alternative Fuels From: GREG S MARTIN Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 06:30:50 -0700 X-Message-Number: 3 Monet In terms of minimum size, you'll need the space to park a car plus a few feet to move around in. I have built an 18' by 10' with a 8' by 10' area off the side for a small table saw, drill press, ban saw etc. Yes I have to move things around some times. But generally I have the room to go straight in and work on the plane. I made a table that folds up into the wall. I made it 14' long by 3' wide. In all, I'm happy with the entire setup. To simplify the description, it's in the shape of an "L". The reason that I didn't get an 18' square was that the wife said she gets a laundry room out of this addition. Who am I to disagree. I built it and the whole thing, conc., wood, roof, electrical ran about $2,870.00. I have a comp. shingle roof and anyone can do those. I hope this helps. Happy building and/or flying Greg Martin Monet wrote > >Anyway, I will start building as soon as >I get my work 'shack' together. >Anybody want to tell me 'good' floor >dimensions to aim for? Can't build it >too big or elaborate, it'll eat up my airplane >money. As it is I have stopped flying >to make sure that I'd have the funds to build. > >Tim (tool man) and Bud, I may be pestering >you guys soon with questions on "proper" >KR bandit construction. > >CAVU y'all !!, > >Monet > >___________________________________________________________________ >Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, >and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: >http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. --- You are currently subscribed >to kr-net as: idrawtobuild@juno.com To unsubscribe send a blank email >to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Center Spars From: "Rick Hubka" Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 08:10:45 -0600 X-Message-Number: 4 Jim I widened my fusalage KR-2S 4" at the top and 5" at the bottom (less twist). I also added 1" to the width at the top firewall and 3" to the bottom firewall because the wider centre fusalage causes too much of an inward angle at the nose and would reduce the available size of the engine space if I followed the natural lines of the longerons. Should be nice and roomy... I intend to add 5 inches to my centre spars. 1) maintain the same wing area 2) maintain the same size wing stub fuel tanks 3) if a 5" wider bottom provides me slightly better lift... Bonus!! I will also be using the "new" AS5048 wing which will give me a bit larger wing stub fuel tanks due to the rear spars being slightly higher. I will also be raising the height of my DF canopy to ensure I don't bang my head with headsets on. I'm 6' 1". Hmmm... Those are the only mods I will be doing. Other than these the rest of my KR-2S will be mostlt stock. Take care... I'm off on 2 weeks vacation in 45 min. Got to go the wife and kids are yelling at me!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: KR-net users group Sent: Thursday, July 22, 1999 10:19 PM Subject: [kr-net] Center Spars > I recently picked up a fueslage that was widened by 6 in. It came with some > spar material that was just standard length. I assume that I should increase > rhe length of the center spar by that 6 in. Is that what everyone elese that > widens the fueslage doing? Also there is a 4 in crack in the plywood, it > appears just the top layer is loose along that. Whats the best way to fix > that? > > Dose anyone on the net in the Minneapolis area have one flying? > > Jim McGillicuddy > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rick@hubka.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 1998 Gathering Video From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 09:52:46 -0500 X-Message-Number: 5 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BED5BA.485F6FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Any word from Video Bob about availablility of the 1998 Gathering video? Ed J ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BED5BA.485F6FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Any word from Video Bob about = availablility of=20 the 1998 Gathering video?
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BED5BA.485F6FC0-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Weights....W&B... From: Mike Mims Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 08:25:02 -0700 X-Message-Number: 6 "R.W. Moore" wrote: > > If you have a W&B progran that would work on KR1 and other airplanes I would > like to have one, if I can afford it. > R. W. Moore > N115RM The spreadsheet on the A51 page will work with just about any KR. You just need to make adjustments to the arms. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Longerons From: Mike Mims Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 08:26:31 -0700 X-Message-Number: 7 KMcke19117@aol.com wrote: > > I believe that FAA requires a minimum 6" joint. > > --- Technically the FAA doesn't "require" anything as to the building of homebuilt airframes. You can build it out of toothpicks if you want. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Center Spars From: Steven Eberhart Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 11:00:21 -0500 (CDT) X-Message-Number: 8 On Sat, 24 Jul 1999, Rick Hubka wrote: > Jim > > I widened my fusalage KR-2S 4" at the top and 5" at the bottom (less twist). > I also added 1" to the width at the top firewall and 3" to the bottom > firewall because the wider centre fusalage causes too much of an inward > angle at the nose and would reduce the available size of the engine space if > I followed the natural lines of the longerons. > > Should be nice and roomy... > > I intend to add 5 inches to my centre spars. > 1) maintain the same wing area > 2) maintain the same size wing stub fuel tanks > 3) if a 5" wider bottom provides me slightly better lift... Bonus!! > > I will also be using the "new" AS5048 wing which will give me a bit larger > wing stub fuel tanks due to the rear spars being slightly higher. > I will also be raising the height of my DF canopy to ensure I don't bang my > head with headsets on. I'm 6' 1". > Rick, I would consider not extending the wing span, especially with the new airfoils. It is generally considered proper practice to include the mythical wing section within the fuselage when calculating wing area. By increasing the fuselage you really aren't changing the wing area that is used in most of the calculations. THere was a recent post on the area 51 list about Troy Petteway's re-winged KR-2 that it had more lift at cruise than was optimum. The research continues on the optimum incidence and wash out angles but Troy appears to have more lift than he needs at high speed. His stall was still at 48 mph so the low end is just about perfect. The recent concerns that were expressed on the various lists about the "cusps" present on Ashok's airfoils have been put to bed with Troy's first test flight. According to Mark Langford, who debriefed Troy after his first flight, the ailerons felt fine. Possibly a little more control force but they had a good feel. Steve Eberhart ------------------------------------- http://www.newtech.com/nlf - for info on the new, flight tested, KRnet airfoils. Good job KRnet, you can be proud of your contribution to Sport Aviation. One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly food for thought and is in no way intended to imply that it is anything more than ideas requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Center Spars From: "Mark Langford" Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 11:02:32 -0500 X-Message-Number: 9 Steve Eberhart wrote: > THere was a recent post on the area 51 list about Troy Petteway's > re-winged KR-2 that it had more lift at cruise than was optimum. The > research continues on the optimum incidence and wash out angles but Troy > appears to have more lift than he needs at high speed. Also consider that Troy's plane only weighs 500 pounds. Many KR2Ss will weigh 650-700 pounds empty and carry more fuel. And the AS504x was specifically designed for a gross weight of 1000 pounds (I believe it was), so that's not to say that the AS504x won't still be perfect for the average KR2S. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: New KRnet wing, was: Center Spars From: Steven Eberhart Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 11:34:14 -0500 (CDT) X-Message-Number: 10 On Sat, 24 Jul 1999, Mark Langford wrote: > Steve Eberhart wrote: > > > THere was a recent post on the area 51 list about Troy Petteway's > > re-winged KR-2 that it had more lift at cruise than was optimum. The > > research continues on the optimum incidence and wash out angles but Troy > > appears to have more lift than he needs at high speed. > > Also consider that Troy's plane only weighs 500 pounds. Many KR2Ss will > weigh 650-700 pounds empty and carry more fuel. And the AS504x was > specifically designed for a gross weight of 1000 pounds (I believe it was), > so that's not to say that the AS504x won't still be perfect for the average > KR2S. > Mark is right. The original specs were for a stall of 50mph, fast cruise of 200 mph, KR-2S size wing and 1000 lb gross weight. The wing is probably going to prove out to be right on for the typical KR-2S. Mark Lougheed is closely following Troy's performance numbers as he is the one that did the CFD computer analysis of the airfoils and calculated the optimum incidence and washout angles for the ideal configuration. As more data is available, Mark and Ashok will provide their input as to what should be the optimum construction angles. Steve Eberhart ------------------------------------- http://www.newtech.com/nlf - for info on the new, flight tested, KRnet airfoils. Good job KRnet, you can be proud of your contribution to Sport Aviation. One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly food for thought and is in no way intended to imply that it is anything more than ideas requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: New KRnet wing, was: Center Spars From: "R.W. Moore" Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 13:45:34 -0400 X-Message-Number: 11 What are some weigfts of a KR1 with a full pannel and a 1835cc engine/with turbo?My plane has 4 tanks in the wings and hold about 6 gallons each. I have been working on this project since 1982. Does anyone have awards for the longest project. I will try to make the flyin next year. R. W. Moore N115RM ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Eberhart To: KR-net users group Sent: Saturday, July 24, 1999 12:34 PM Subject: [kr-net] New KRnet wing, was: Center Spars > On Sat, 24 Jul 1999, Mark Langford wrote: > > > Steve Eberhart wrote: > > > > > THere was a recent post on the area 51 list about Troy Petteway's > > > re-winged KR-2 that it had more lift at cruise than was optimum. The > > > research continues on the optimum incidence and wash out angles but Troy > > > appears to have more lift than he needs at high speed. > > > > Also consider that Troy's plane only weighs 500 pounds. Many KR2Ss will > > weigh 650-700 pounds empty and carry more fuel. And the AS504x was > > specifically designed for a gross weight of 1000 pounds (I believe it was), > > so that's not to say that the AS504x won't still be perfect for the average > > KR2S. > > > > Mark is right. The original specs were for a stall of 50mph, fast cruise > of 200 mph, KR-2S size wing and 1000 lb gross weight. The wing is > probably going to prove out to be right on for the typical KR-2S. > > Mark Lougheed is closely following Troy's performance numbers as he is the > one that did the CFD computer analysis of the airfoils and calculated the > optimum incidence and washout angles for the ideal configuration. As more > data is available, Mark and Ashok will provide their input as to what > should be the optimum construction angles. > > Steve Eberhart > ------------------------------------- > http://www.newtech.com/nlf - for info on the new, flight tested, KRnet > airfoils. Good job KRnet, you can be proud > of your contribution to Sport Aviation. > > One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are > easier to get. > --plagiarized from an unknown author > > All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly > food for thought and is in no way intended to imply that it is anything > more than ideas requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rwmoore@alltel.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Epoxy Resin Forum at Oshkosh From: Tim Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:35:13 -0600 X-Message-Number: 12 Below, for you OSHKOSH Travellers an informative Forum Tim...Cold Lake (overcast & raining! Flt-line quiet so far :-[ Hunter, Gary GA PECCHEM wrote: Heads up to those who may be interested. As Nat Puffer announced earlier, I will be a guest speaker during the Cozy forum in Tent 6 at 1:00 PM on Friday the 30th. ALSO - that same day @ 4:00 PM - I'll be presenting a forum in the Varilux Pavilion (don't know what Tent # that is) titled: "Everything you wanted to know about epoxy resins, but didn't know to ask" My goal is reduce some of the confusion about what resin is what and why they do certain goofy things. > > Hope you can make it - bring your questions. > > KINDEST REGARDS, > Gary Hunter > Technical Service Representative > EPOXY RESINS TECHNICAL INQUIRY > SHELL CHEMICALS, USA > > Toll Free in North America - 800-832-3766 (800-TEC-EPON) > International - 281-544-6600 > Facsimile - 281-544-6604 > E-Mail - gahunter@shellus.com > > \ > ->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>-|- > / > -For details on sponsors of this list, copyrights, and how to remove > -yourself from this list, please visit: > > http://www.canard.com/ca-ending.html > > (c) 1997,1998, 1999 Canard Aviators. support@canard.com > / > -|-<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > \ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: How to unsubscribe From: "R.W. Moore" Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 14:42:11 -0400 X-Message-Number: 13 I know this is not a KR event, however, airplane drivers like ALL fly-ins. The new owners of Ace Aircraft, Inc will have the first annual factory fly-in on October 23&24 1999. as a owner od a KR airplane and the Marketing Director for Ace Aircraft, Inc. I want to invite ALL airplanes to this event I may have my Plane flying by then. We will treat you so nice you will think you never left home! If you can repost this message, please do . R. W. Moore ----- Original Message ----- From: Ross Youngblood To: KR-net users group Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 12:30 PM Subject: [kr-net] How to unsubscribe > Look at the bottom of this email for a message like the following: > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > (The integer 17523 in leave-kr-net-17523 is unique to me, and will not > work for you. Don't worry Lyris won't let you unsubscribe the admin > by mistake.) > > -- Regards > Ross > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rwmoore@alltel.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Longerons From: "Edwin Blocher" Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 13:38:45 -0500 X-Message-Number: 14 EAA's book "Aircraft Building Techneques - Wood" recomends a 16 to 1 scarf which would be roughly 9". -----Original Message----- From: Mike Mims To: KR-net users group Date: Saturday, July 24, 1999 10:31 AM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Longerons >KMcke19117@aol.com wrote: >> >> I believe that FAA requires a minimum 6" joint. >> >> --- > >Technically the FAA doesn't "require" anything as to the building of >homebuilt airframes. You can build it out of toothpicks if you want. > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >Filling and Sanding again! >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >http://members.home.com/mikemims/ >Aliso Viejo CA >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: ed_blocher@email.msn.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KR-2 plans for sale From: Willard561@aol.com Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 17:03:46 EDT X-Message-Number: 15 I saw this in one of the Rec.aviation forums. Subject: Robinson KR-2 Plans From: Quotemonster quotemonster@xmlworks.com Date: Sat, 24 July 1999 11:25 AM EDT Message-id: <3799DAD3.E68B5CD4@xmlworks.com> Complete set of plans for Robinson KR-2. This is set #5677, Book 56 and was issued in 1981. Completely unused and in perfect condition other than slight yellowing of some of the paper. $50 inc. priority mail within the US. (Foriegn airmail & insurance if required will be additional.) Cheers, Jim -- QuoteMonster -- http://xmlworks.com/quotemonster/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: 1998 Gathering Video From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 15:18:31 -0700 X-Message-Number: 16 On Sat, 24 Jul 1999 09:52:46 -0500 ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) writes: >Any word from Video Bob about availablility of the 1998 Gathering >video? > >Ed J I talked to him recentely regarding some of the content of the '98 Gathering video, so I know he's working on it. He has been down with equipment problems since last fall. Since that equipment was used only for full length videos like the KR Gathering and really wasn't his daily bread and butter, and since he was having a very difficult time getting it repaired, I know he is months behind where he would like to be with the video. However, I'll bet Video Bob will have them ready to distribute at the '99 Gathering. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213w construction and first flight at http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: How to unsubscribe From: Bobby Muse Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 16:29:23 -0500 X-Message-Number: 17 At 02:42 PM 07/24/1999 -0400, you wrote: >I know this is not a KR event, however, airplane drivers like ALL fly-ins. >The new owners of Ace Aircraft, Inc will have the first annual factory >fly-in on October 23&24 1999. as a owner od a KR airplane and the Marketing >Director for Ace Aircraft, Inc. I want to invite ALL airplanes to this event >I may have my Plane flying by then. We will treat you so nice you will think >you never left home! >If you can repost this message, please do . >R. W. Moore > > Where is Ace Aircraft,Inc.? Bobby Muse mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR-2 plans for sale From: theron a proper Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 15:09:46 -0700 X-Message-Number: 18 To Seller of the Plans: I would buy them if you still have them for sale. Reply to me at prope@juno.com thanks ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR-2 plans for sale From: Tim Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 18:25:21 -0600 X-Message-Number: 19 I remember Jeanette telling me the plans were redone/updated in 1982 so these plans would be the older ones...right? Tim Cold Lake, the weather couldn't be worse! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: New Engine Developement From: "J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd." Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 20:36:18 -0700 X-Message-Number: 20 Automotive Can developers produce a lightweight engine with few moving parts and the power of a V6? Race car legends back development of a revolutionary engine. http://www.manufacturing.net/dc/141/news072399q.htm KRRon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: New Developements and Information on Bonding From: "J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd." Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 20:49:23 -0700 X-Message-Number: 21 Fasteners and Joining Nyseal pre-applied, self-sealing elements create a gasket-like seal at pressures up to 100 psi. We're stuck on 'em. See why: http://www.pddnet.com/pddprod/products/0399016.HTM Fastening, Joining and Assembly For a sticky solution to your fastening, joining and assembly needs, go the tapes, glues and adhesive spotlight from Industrial Product Bulletin. http://www.manufacturing.net/dc/141/ipb072399.htm KRRon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: New Developements and Information on Bonding From: "Mark Langford" Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 20:52:02 -0500 X-Message-Number: 22 > Nyseal pre-applied, self-sealing elements > create a gasket-like seal at pressures up > to 100 psi. We're stuck on 'em. See why: I believe this is the kind of off-base advertising that KRNetters would find obtrusive. Probably accidental, but obtrusive nonetheless... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: New Developements and Information on Bonding From: Mike Mims Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 20:17:04 -0700 X-Message-Number: 23 Its not freaking Friday!!!! "J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd." wrote: > > Fasteners and Joining > > Nyseal pre-applied, self-sealing elements > create a gasket-like seal at pressures up > to 100 psi. We're stuck on 'em. See why: > > http://www.pddnet.com/pddprod/products/0399016.HTM > > Fastening, Joining and Assembly > > For a sticky solution to your fastening, > joining and assembly needs, go the tapes, > glues and adhesive spotlight from Industrial > Product Bulletin. > > http://www.manufacturing.net/dc/141/ipb072399.htm -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: VW question From: Mike Mims Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 20:26:48 -0700 X-Message-Number: 24 Has anyone out there figured out the center of mass on a 2180 VW conversion such as the one from Great Planes? I would like to know the CG of the engine measured either from the prop hub aft or from the accessory case forward. Man this list is really getting out of hand. Can you guys try to keep the non-KR post to a minimum? I have read way to many post in the last few days that have absolutely nothing to do with what this list was setup for. I guess I am getting tired of asking myself what the hell is this? -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: VW question From: "Parley Byington" Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 21:44:42 -0700 X-Message-Number: 25 Mike I don't know about the 2180 but I can measure my 1835 and let you know the approximate cg if it will help. Let me know. By the way, I got my bird back in the air after the engine overhaul. At full throttle at 5200' density altitude and gross wt of 1050 lbs IAS = 182mph 3750 rpm and 36 in. Hg. map. Regards Parley (N54PB) -----Original Message----- From: Mike Mims To: KR-net users group Date: Saturday, July 24, 1999 8:31 PM Subject: [kr-net] VW question >Has anyone out there figured out the center of mass on a 2180 VW >conversion such as the one from Great Planes? I would like to know the >CG of the engine measured either from the prop hub aft or from the >accessory case forward. > >Man this list is really getting out of hand. Can you guys try to keep >the non-KR post to a minimum? I have read way to many post in the last >few days that have absolutely nothing to do with what this list was >setup for. I guess I am getting tired of asking myself what the hell is >this? > > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >Filling and Sanding again! >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >http://members.home.com/mikemims/ >Aliso Viejo CA >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: parley@anv.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 2nd flight From: "Wolf Packs, Inc." Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 23:56:00 -0700 X-Message-Number: 26 --=====================_16787316==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I flew the KR again on Thursday for over an hour and did a fun test. Set it level, trim for 100 mph, and let go of the stick (& pedals). I wanted to see how long before I had to grab on again. Well, after 4 minutes I was getting a little farther from the field than I wanted so I grabbed the stick and turned it around. This may be a normal thing (cut me some slack, I'm new to this stuff) but I was surprised to find that I could "steer" it, just by leaning forward/backward, or to the side, for as long as I wanted to. Fuel burn will probably change this stability but it will be fun to see how much. The landing was much better this time since I just flew it until it touched the ground. The first time I got the nose a little high as it was settling in. It sure is fun to fly. Paul M. Ashland, OR --=====================_16787316==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" I flew the KR again on Thursday for over an hour and did a fun test.  Set it level, trim for 100 mph, and let go of the stick  (& pedals).  I wanted to see how long before I had to grab on again.  Well, after 4 minutes I was getting a little farther from the field than I wanted so I grabbed the stick and turned it around. 

This may be a normal thing (cut me some slack, I'm new to this stuff) but I was surprised to find that I could "steer" it, just by leaning forward/backward, or to the side, for as long as I wanted to.  Fuel burn will probably change this stability but it will be fun to see how much.

The landing was much better this time since I just flew it until it touched the ground.  The first time I got the nose a little high as it was settling in.

It sure is fun to fly.

Paul M.
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