From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Monday, July 26, 1999 12:12 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: July 25, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Sunday, July 25, 1999. 1. Re: How to unsubscribe 2. Re: VW question 3. Re: KR-2 plans for sale 4. Re: KR-2 plans for sale 5. Bonding & Its not freaking Friday!!!! 6. KRNetiquette, again... 7. Project for sale in Detroit 8. Hotwire Knife 9. Re: KR-2 plans for sale 10. Advertisement Fridays and Chastisements 11. Re: Hotwire Knife 12. Re: Hotwire Knife 13. Re: 2nd flight 14. Re: KR-2 plans for sale 15. Re: VW question 16. Re: VW question 17. Re: KR-2 plans for sale 18. FS: KR2 Forward deck 19. Re: Hotwire Knife 20. FW: Cooling problem ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: How to unsubscribe From: "R.W. Moore" Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 23:35:01 -0400 X-Message-Number: 1 I do want to keep getting the newsletter. I just wanted to get the message to you only way I knew, so you could repost it. R. W. Moore . ----- Original Message ----- From: R.W. Moore To: KR-net users group Sent: Saturday, July 24, 1999 2:42 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: How to unsubscribe > I know this is not a KR event, however, airplane drivers like ALL fly-ins. > The new owners of Ace Aircraft, Inc will have the first annual factory > fly-in on October 23&24 1999. as a owner od a KR airplane and the Marketing > Director for Ace Aircraft, Inc. I want to invite ALL airplanes to this event > I may have my Plane flying by then. We will treat you so nice you will think > you never left home! > If you can repost this message, please do . > R. W. Moore > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ross Youngblood > To: KR-net users group > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 12:30 PM > Subject: [kr-net] How to unsubscribe > > > > Look at the bottom of this email for a message like the following: > > > --- > > > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com > > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > > > (The integer 17523 in leave-kr-net-17523 is unique to me, and will not > > work for you. Don't worry Lyris won't let you unsubscribe the admin > > by mistake.) > > > > -- Regards > > Ross > > > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rwmoore@alltel.net > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > > > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rwmoore@alltel.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: VW question From: Mike Mims Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 07:37:28 -0700 X-Message-Number: 2 Parley Byington wrote: > > Mike > > I don't know about the 2180 but I can measure my 1835 and let you know the > approximate cg if it will help. Let me know. >>> That would be a good start. Thanks! Sounds like your bird is moving right along at a very nice speed. Gotta love them turbos! :o) -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR-2 plans for sale From: "trudy johnson" Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 21:30:13 -0400 X-Message-Number: 3 hay im intrested in the plans , give me a call,,,,,,bikestop1@earthlink.net........greg -----Original Message----- From: Willard561@aol.com To: KR-net users group Date: Saturday, July 24, 1999 5:07 PM Subject: [kr-net] KR-2 plans for sale >I saw this in one of the Rec.aviation forums. >Subject: Robinson KR-2 Plans >From: Quotemonster HREF="mailto:quotemonster@xmlworks.com">quotemonster@xmlworks.com > >Date: Sat, 24 July 1999 11:25 AM EDT >Message-id: <3799DAD3.E68B5CD4@xmlworks.com> > >Complete set of plans for Robinson KR-2. This is set #5677, Book 56 and >was issued in 1981. Completely unused and in perfect condition other >than slight yellowing of some of the paper. $50 inc. priority mail >within the US. (Foriegn airmail & insurance if required will be >additional.) > >Cheers, > >Jim >-- >QuoteMonster -- HREF="http://xmlworks.com/quotemonster/">http://xmlworks.com/quotemonster/ > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: bikestop1@earthlink.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR-2 plans for sale From: Mike Mims Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 08:21:42 -0700 X-Message-Number: 4 trudy johnson wrote: > > hay im intrested in the plans , give me a > call,,,,,,bikestop1@earthlink.net........greg OK people, listen up. Here is what the post regarding the plans said: <<<>>> Translation, the person who is selling the plans is NOT on this list. Therefore posting messages say you want them is not productive. I suggest you email the person who uses the address quotemonster@xmlworks.com if you want them. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Bonding & Its not freaking Friday!!!! From: Ron Freiberger Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 11:27:37 -0500 X-Message-Number: 5 How true; netmoms ought to find out who posted this and chastise them. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KRNetiquette, again... From: "Mark Langford" Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 12:05:42 -0500 X-Message-Number: 6 It looks like it's time again for a subtle reminder for what this list is all about. I offer the following rants and raves, especially for the new guys... If you don't have anything substantial to say, please don't post anything. This is a KR list, and as such really needs to stay focused on KRs, or at least airplanes. At the time of this writing there are over 450 people on the list. If we all decided to say something every day, we'd have a real problem. Ask yourself, "Do 450 people really need to see this, or are 450 people going to be annoyed at me?" Personally, my time is pretty precious to me, and I hate to waste it reading trivial email. And is it something that you could find somewhere else? Search engines are wonderful things, and you never know, you might uncover something newsworthy for the rest of us! Carefully consider whether or not you need to reply to a post. Saying "me too", "thanks a lot", or "I don't know" doesn't contribute to the thread, it just makes the list more bothersome. If you don't know what you're talking about, listen rather than talk. There are VERY FEW people who know everything about everything. Try to stick to things you KNOW about and let others answer the rest. Try to write "keeper" posts if you're an expert on something. Cover the whole issue, answer all possible questions, address both sides of an issue, and make it a post that others will want to save or print out. Those are the gems that we all search for on KRNet. Keep personal stuff offline. Finding that some other KRNetter is from your neck of the woods isn't a good enough reason to bother us all with your efforts to strike up an acquaintance. Although some lists arrange addresses so that "reply" goes back to the original sender rather than to the list, this is not the case with KRNet. When you "reply," your mail goes to KRNet and its 450 members, not directly to the sender. You'll have to make an extra effort to find the original sender's email address. How you do this varies depending on your software, but it will usually be obtainable under "Properties" or something similar. Once you find the email address of the person you want to communicate with, you're all set. Talk to your heart's content. Put your email address in your signature so that others can more easily email you "offnet." If we all had our addresses at the bottom of our posts, it would be far easier to "email direct." If the email address at the bottom of a post is blue, just click on it. If it's not, cut it and paste it into the "To" box. A signature line which contains your real name is also a plus. When replying to a post, delete everything but a few key sentences from the previous post. It's really annoying to have to search through three or four pages of stuff to find where someone wrote "me too" way down at the bottom. Conversely, at least put SOMETHING in the post to remind us what you're replying to. A post like "yeah, that's how I did mine, and it works great" doesn't mean a thing if the reader doesn't know what you're talking about. Don't send enclosed files directly to the list. Either post your file to a web site or get someone else to post it for you. This way anyone who wants the file has easy access to it, but those who don't want or need it won't find an unwelcome attachment appearing uninvited on their computer. Given the proliferation of viruses lately, I never open any file that I get from KRNet or anybody else. Only when it comes from a family member or tight friend do I chance trashing my PC to open what usually turns out to be somebody's idea of a joke. If you have something you want to share, specify that you want replies to go offline. It's nice to say, "Hey, I've got the Holy Grail on thingamajigs, anybody want it?" But when 15 people reply online that they want it, it gets kinda painful wading through all of those posts for nothing.A gentle reminder to "reply offline" and furnishing your email address will be a big help. Minimize advertising to this list. It's okay to let folks know there's a new service or a new business, but point them to web site. We don't need a bunch of advertising here. Personal testimonials as to a product's usefulness are welcome anytime, as long as it's not YOUR product In any case, we've decided to restrict advertising to Fridays . It would be wise, however, not to abuse the privilege. It's okay to interject some personality into emails, just make a contribution while you're at it. I like to let other KRNetters know who I am and what my interests are, but I try to tack that sort of stuff to the bottom of a post in which I've made some sort of contribution to the cause. Asking questions is fine, but please check the archives at http://www.krnet.org before you post. Virtually everything that's been asked in the last few months has been brought up and "beat to death" several times before, and it's all in the archives. You can read a chapter of the archives every night, and you too can become a KR guru in a week! I'm serious. You don't really want to look TOO much like a newbie, do you? Try not to take things personally. We're all here to help each other. There are usually several ways to take comments. Always try to pick the "nicest" interpretation, rather than trying to read animosity into a post. It's a lot easier to just ignore a snide comment and let it slide. Try to avoid "having the last word." On the other hand, don't post little one-liner "jabs" to get somebody's goat. They waste everybody's time and lead to bloody net wars in which valuable people unsubscribe and cease to help you with your KR problems. The guy you just ran off might have saved your life someday. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Project for sale in Detroit From: Paul Eberhardt Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 15:30:20 -0500 X-Message-Number: 7 Not an easy decision, but I need the space so guess she's for sale. Here's a brief description, email me privately for more details: ( peberhardt@hotmail.com ) -2S boat with spars (inner and outer with WAF attached) *** Rand Robinson Wing Skins *** (new in box) - (will sell separately) rudder pedals, center stick, and all brackets, pulleys, cables, and hinges for the controls Diehl taildragger gear (w/ 6" tailwheel) cleveland wheels and brakes Turbo EA-81 soob engine with many mics parts (not converted for a/c yet) Foam for tail Glass for entire plane Also will include the tables I built for the project. I'm a mechanical engineer and my craftsmanship on the project is quite good. I've got over $9k invested. I'd like to get 5,500 for the whole thing, or I can separate the wing skins for 3,500, and sell the rest for 3,000. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Hotwire Knife From: Mark Jones Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 16:00:25 -0500 X-Message-Number: 8 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------D30BA8804BA15CDCF2369624 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok guys, here's one to get you laughing. Tried to build a hotwire knife control box today. Almost burned the house down and nearly electrocuted myself!!!! Would someone please explain the proper way to build a hot-wire knife control box? Also, what type wire are you supposed to use? I searched the archives and could not find this explained. Don't even ask what I did. I sure thought it would work. Wrong. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Waukesha, WI. flykr2s@execpc.com http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage --------------D30BA8804BA15CDCF2369624 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="flykr2s.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Mark Jones Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="flykr2s.vcf" begin:vcard n:Jones;Mark tel;home:414-542-9561 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage adr:;;;Waukesha, WI;;; version:2.1 email;internet:flykr2s@execpc.com fn:Mark Jones end:vcard --------------D30BA8804BA15CDCF2369624-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR-2 plans for sale From: Willard561@aol.com Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 17:23:13 EDT X-Message-Number: 9 In a message dated 7/25/99 9:21:10 AM Mountain Daylight Time, bikestop1@earthlink.net writes: << hay im intrested in the plans , give me a call,,,,,,bikestop1@earthlink.net........greg >> Email the guy listed on the message I doubt he is on the list Bill HIgdon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Advertisement Fridays and Chastisements From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 15:27:38 -0700 X-Message-Number: 10 >How true; netmoms ought to find out who posted this and chastise them. > >--- Usually not necessary cause you guys always beat me to it. :o) On the rare occasion I do, it isn't a public event so you wouldn't know. Jeff "Net Mom" Scott Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213w construction and first flight at http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Hotwire Knife From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 17:49:30 -0400 X-Message-Number: 11 At 04:00 PM 7/25/99 -0500, you wrote: >Ok guys, here's one to get you laughing. Tried to build a hotwire knife >control box today. Almost burned the house down and nearly electrocuted >myself!!!! > >Would someone please explain the proper way to build a hot-wire knife >control box? Also, what type wire are you supposed to use? I searched >the archives and could not find this explained. Don't even ask what I >did. I sure thought it would work. Wrong. > >Mark Jones (N886MJ) A piece of SS safety wire, (.035" ??), and a 12 volt 10 amp battery charger will work just fine. You can use a 110 volt light dimmer in a box with a wall plug to give a finer control of the charger. WD --------------------------------------------------------- Wayne DeLisle Sr. Charlotte, North Carolina USA mailto:dodger@accessnode.net http://accessnode.net/~dodger --------------------------------------------------------- Project Viking "Daring to venture forward from the Dark Ages" online FAQ/manual at http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Hotwire Knife From: Richard Selix Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 15:06:23 -0700 X-Message-Number: 12 Mark: You can get the complete skinny on hot wires in the July 1994, page 97 of Sport Aviation.If you don't have that issue, you can send for it from EAA.(it will cost you 5 dollars post paid) Richard Mark Jones wrote: > Ok guys, here's one to get you laughing. Tried to build a hotwire knife > control box today. Almost burned the house down and nearly electrocuted > myself!!!! > > Would someone please explain the proper way to build a hot-wire knife > control box? Also, what type wire are you supposed to use? I searched > the archives and could not find this explained. Don't even ask what I > did. I sure thought it would work. Wrong. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Waukesha, WI. > flykr2s@execpc.com > http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Mark Jones > > Mark Jones > > Waukesha, WI Home: 414-542-9561 > Additional Information: > Last Name Jones > First Name Mark > Version 2.1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: 2nd flight From: "J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd." Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 19:29:11 -0700 X-Message-Number: 13 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01BED6D3.F9350E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Paul,=20 I am sure happy that you plane is doing so well. I hope it = continues. =20 KRRon> Date: Saturday, July 24, 1999 11:58 PM Subject: [kr-net] 2nd flight =20 =20 I flew the KR again on Thursday for over an hour and did a fun test. = Set it level, trim for 100 mph, and let go of the stick (& pedals). I = wanted to see how long before I had to grab on again. Well, after 4 = minutes I was getting a little farther from the field than I wanted so I = grabbed the stick and turned it around. =20 =20 This may be a normal thing (cut me some slack, I'm new to this = stuff) but I was surprised to find that I could "steer" it, just by = leaning forward/backward, or to the side, for as long as I wanted to. = Fuel burn will probably change this stability but it will be fun to see = how much. =20 The landing was much better this time since I just flew it until it = touched the ground. The first time I got the nose a little high as it = was settling in. =20 It sure is fun to fly. =20 Paul M. Ashland, OR=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01BED6D3.F9350E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Paul,
I am sure happy that you plane is = doing so=20 well.  I hope it continues.
 
KRRon>
Date: Saturday, = July 24,=20 1999 11:58 PM
Subject: [kr-net] 2nd=20 flight

I flew the = KR again on=20 Thursday for over an hour and did a fun test.  Set it level, = trim for=20 100 mph, and let go of the stick  (& pedals).  I = wanted to see=20 how long before I had to grab on again.  Well, after 4 minutes = I was=20 getting a little farther from the field than I wanted so I grabbed = the stick=20 and turned it around. 

This may be a normal thing (cut = me some=20 slack, I'm new to this stuff) but I was surprised to find that I = could=20 "steer" it, just by leaning forward/backward, or to the = side, for=20 as long as I wanted to.  Fuel burn will probably change this = stability=20 but it will be fun to see how much.

The landing was much = better this=20 time since I just flew it until it touched the ground.  The = first time=20 I got the nose a little high as it was settling in.

It sure = is fun to=20 fly.

Paul M.
Ashland, OR = ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01BED6D3.F9350E80-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR-2 plans for sale From: "Neal Hinman" Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:38:24 -0500 X-Message-Number: 14 I am interested in the plans offered for sale. Who do I contact about buying them, Neal ----- Original Message ----- From: To: KR-net users group Sent: Saturday, July 24, 1999 4:03 PM Subject: [kr-net] KR-2 plans for sale > I saw this in one of the Rec.aviation forums. > Subject: Robinson KR-2 Plans > From: Quotemonster HREF="mailto:quotemonster@xmlworks.com">quotemonster@xmlworks.com > > Date: Sat, 24 July 1999 11:25 AM EDT > Message-id: <3799DAD3.E68B5CD4@xmlworks.com> > > Complete set of plans for Robinson KR-2. This is set #5677, Book 56 and > was issued in 1981. Completely unused and in perfect condition other > than slight yellowing of some of the paper. $50 inc. priority mail > within the US. (Foriegn airmail & insurance if required will be > additional.) > > Cheers, > > Jim > -- > QuoteMonster -- HREF="http://xmlworks.com/quotemonster/">http://xmlworks.com/quotemonster/ > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jmyenter@netins.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: VW question From: GARYKR2@cs.com Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 21:45:17 EDT X-Message-Number: 15 This is a toss up question. What pitch prop are most of you folks using. I have been flying behind a 52X52 Warnke and 2180cc, and only can turn 3100rpm flat out. I will be trying a 52X46 next week to see if that helps. Gary Hinkle, Middletown, Pa. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: VW question From: Krwr1@aol.com Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 21:57:20 EDT X-Message-Number: 16 In a message dated 7/25/99 6:46:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, GARYKR2@cs.com writes: << This is a toss up question. What pitch prop are most of you folks using. I have been flying behind a 52X52 Warnke and 2180cc, and only can turn 3100rpm flat out. I will be trying a 52X46 next week to see if that helps. Gary Hinkle, Middletown, Pa. >> I used a 52 45 on a 1800cc vw , and toped out at 3200 , 160 mph . Bill ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR-2 plans for sale From: Willard561@aol.com Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:03:10 EDT X-Message-Number: 17 Neal the guys Email address is on the message, he isn't a member of the KR group Bill ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: FS: KR2 Forward deck From: "Dean Collette" Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:05:58 -0500 X-Message-Number: 18 Netters, While digging through a few things I realized that I have a pre-molded KR-2 forward deck / instrument panel. I forgot to mention this in the previous list of things for sale (all of those parts are gone, by the way.) Now, I know that RR sells this thing for $156 plus shipping. I can't, in good conscious, ask for anything like that. This one is new, but two cracks have been repaired. The cracks are where the deck meets the "instrument panel." There are no holes drilled yet. I can snap a couple of pictures if you wish. Let's say the first $50 plus shipping takes it. (It should be able to go UPS.) Dean Collette Milwaukee, Wisconsin mailto:drdean@execpc.com Web Page at http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/home.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Hotwire Knife From: Mike Mims Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 19:58:16 -0700 X-Message-Number: 19 > > Mark Jones wrote: > > > Ok guys, here's one to get you laughing. Tried to build a hotwire knife > > control box today. Almost burned the house down and nearly electrocuted > > myself!!!! > > Mark the control box we use is the one from AS&S. I don't know how much it cost these days but this one has built several sets of wings and still works fine. It looks scary but it work fine! :o) -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: FW: Cooling problem From: "Blandford, Carlton C" Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 08:57:04 +0200 X-Message-Number: 20 -----Original Message----- From: Carlton Blandford [mailto:Genesis2@iafrica.com] Sent: 23 July 1999 08:28 To: cblandford@mail.sbic.co.za Subject: Cooling problem Just a note of thanks to all the guys that offered assistance and advise. I've printed all the suggestions and I'm confident I'll resolve the problem soon. Thks again Regards Carlton Blandford --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com