From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Thursday, July 29, 1999 12:17 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: July 28, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Wednesday, July 28, 1999. 1. RE: Flight Report 2. magnetos 3. Re: Hotwire Knife 4. taxi testing 5. Re: 2nd flight 6. Re: taxi testing 7. Re: magnetos 8. Re: Hotwire Knife 9. Re: Posa 10. RE: Flight Report 11. Re: Posa 12. soobs 13. Garbez Flight Report Revised 14. Re: Flight Report 15. Re: taxi testing 16. Re: Posa 17. Re: Posa (adressing issues) 18. Re: Flight Report 19. Re: Posa ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Flight Report From: "Eddie KIng" Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 08:36:33 +0100 X-Message-Number: 1 As long as you use a hard runway, and stay under 950lbs max you should get airborne with no problem. Start your roll with the tail down, bring it up gently but firmly as you get a positive reading from the asi & ease the plane off the ground. Dont be afraid to hold it down to build up speed before you climb out. Rate of climb at that rpm would be around 500fpm at 65kts, you,ll need to be ready with a lot of left foot after you get airborne. The main thing to think about in the pattern is to peg the speed to around 70-80kts downwind and keep it there all the way around to final, you can then bring it back to, say 65kts over the fence. Go for a flattish approach leave asmall amount of power on if you can until into the flare. As soon as you have the tailwheel on keep the stick back and concentrate on rolling out straight. You haven't stopped until you're stopped so keep it straight as you can. (Figures are from a 500'MSL field, 75degrees temp) Best of luck! Eddie King G-BUDF ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: magnetos From: * Flesner * Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 07:47:52 X-Message-Number: 2 Fellow netters, I'm in need of a mag for an 0-200 and a right wire harness. Can use 4001, 4201, or 4301 Slick mags. The Super Duce came to life last week!!!!!!! Bad mag, mis- adjusted starter, fuel leaks and all. Getting most of the problems ironed out.(Started with the fuel leaks !!) Had to pull the engine and accessory case to replace gears . waiting for gaskets now. Still hope to trailer it to the Gathering in Kentucky. Larry flesner flesner@midwest.com Tripacer 2917P ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Hotwire Knife From: Malcolm Hartman Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 05:45:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Message-Number: 3 Hello SkyHawk and KRNetters, Can someone tell me what type of foam and what cores ya'll are using the hotwire on? I used to do models and I am very familiar with the procedure to cut foam cores. I was under the impression, however, that the only foam used in the KR was urethane, which is impossible to hotwire. Has someone come up with a new procedure to use polystyrene in the wings and tail since I completed my 2s. Thanks, Malcolm --- SkyHawk11@aol.com wrote: > correct way is to use a variac check at Radio > Control Hobby shops as they > have all the supplies to build hot wire cutters. > Hobby Lobby has them > already made with proper controls with proper safety > measures in place. This > is an old art for model airplane fliers. We were > cutting foam wing cores 25 > years ago!!!! > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: > n926fw@yahoo.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: taxi testing From: "Oscar Zuniga" Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 06:05:11 PDT X-Message-Number: 4 Garbez wrote: >KR-2 N998MG has not flown yet. I think this is the longest >taxi testing in history, 6 months!! Hmmm... I think Bobby Muse will have to check his logbook to see if you have him beat. As I recall the story, Bobby wanted to make sure he was completely comfortable with the airplane before taking it in the air. Taxi testing took a long time for him too. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: 2nd flight From: "peter" Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 21:37:33 +0800 X-Message-Number: 5 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BED941.6730B6E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable test -----Original Message----- From: Wolf Packs, Inc. To: KR-net users group Date: Sunday, July 25, 1999 2:55 PM Subject: [kr-net] 2nd flight =20 =20 I flew the KR again on Thursday for over an hour and did a fun test. = Set it level, trim for 100 mph, and let go of the stick (& pedals). I = wanted to see how long before I had to grab on again. Well, after 4 = minutes I was getting a little farther from the field than I wanted so I = grabbed the stick and turned it around. =20 =20 This may be a normal thing (cut me some slack, I'm new to this = stuff) but I was surprised to find that I could "steer" it, just by = leaning forward/backward, or to the side, for as long as I wanted to. = Fuel burn will probably change this stability but it will be fun to see = how much. =20 The landing was much better this time since I just flew it until it = touched the ground. The first time I got the nose a little high as it = was settling in. =20 It sure is fun to fly. =20 Paul M. 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I flew the = KR again on=20 Thursday for over an hour and did a fun test.  Set it level, = trim for=20 100 mph, and let go of the stick  (& pedals).  I = wanted to see=20 how long before I had to grab on again.  Well, after 4 minutes = I was=20 getting a little farther from the field than I wanted so I grabbed = the stick=20 and turned it around. 

This may be a normal thing (cut = me some=20 slack, I'm new to this stuff) but I was surprised to find that I = could=20 "steer" it, just by leaning forward/backward, or to the = side, for=20 as long as I wanted to.  Fuel burn will probably change this = stability=20 but it will be fun to see how much.

The landing was much = better this=20 time since I just flew it until it touched the ground.  The = first time=20 I got the nose a little high as it was settling in.

It sure = is fun to=20 fly.

Paul M.
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I have heard to many horror stories. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: magnetos From: tom Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:28:34 -0400 X-Message-Number: 7 * Flesner * wrote: > > Fellow netters, > > I'm in need of a mag for an 0-200 and a right wire harness. > Can use 4001, 4201, or 4301 Slick mags. > > Larry I have a mag for you, but my p-mails to you keep getting bounced. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Hotwire Knife From: Mark Jones Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:38:22 -0500 X-Message-Number: 8 Malcolm Hartman wrote: > Has someone come up with a new > procedure to use polystyrene in the wings and tail > since I completed my 2s. Urethane foam was used in the KR plans due to the ease of sanding. Basically it is totally up to the builder if they prefer to use another type of foam. The foam provides little structural strength. It is for the purpose of supporting the shape of the glass. Most of the structural support occurs where the glass meets the wood spars, this is why a good bond is necessary there. Can you tell us how to build a hot-wire control box? Mark Jones (N886MJ) Waukesha, WI flykr2s@execpc.com http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Posa From: GARYKR2@cs.com Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:43:56 EDT X-Message-Number: 9 Throw the POSA as far as you can. Then throw it again. Get a Zenith from Great Plains and once set up, I think you'll find the engine runs ok. Another KR2 here ended up in a field, upside down due to a POSA. After replacing with a Zenith we have been flying it without the engine missing a beat. And yes, I know you POSA fans will say i'm full of used engine oil. Gary Hinkle, Middletown, Pa. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Flight Report From: "Blandford, Carlton C" Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 16:38:19 +0200 X-Message-Number: 10 Mike, Don't worry, I'm on my seventh month of ground testing. I have a 770 pound monster and mine flies. If the CG is set correctly you shouldn't have a problem either. My comments on prop RPM are at sea level you should be OK on 2800RPM but at altitude you could have a problem with density altitude especially with two people on board. We have a KR2 at our field (5000ft) that only flies early in the morning or late at night (with two guys aboard) and he has a 3000 static RPM (he has a 2L VW turbo fitted). The problem with the first flight is you need to climb fast to gain altitude and for this you should have a good static RPM on the ground (this would be 2900RPM mininum for a VW engine-direct drive). I would try a prop with a finer pitch or try squeeze some more HP out of that VW engine, rather steer on the safe side especially on that first flight. As a matter of interest, my static RPM is 2380 or 3500 on the engine running through a 1.47 reduction. good luck Carlton Blandford -----Original Message----- From: garbez [mailto:msgtlg@netins.net] Sent: 28 July 1999 06:08 To: KR-net users group Subject: [kr-net] Flight Report KR-2 N998MG has not flown yet. I think this is the longest taxie testing in history, 6 months!! I still can't get over first flight jitters, as I am only a 70 hour pilot flying Cherokee 140's and have no stick time. Also it has been to hot and humid here to be sitting in the cockpit for much time on the ground. As I have read in the KR-NET that most first flights are flown by test pilots I wish I had one but I don't. Also I have been reading about props and RPM's. I have an 1835 VW with a Revflow carb, 044 heads with duel ignition, and a 52-46 prop. I have tried everything to get the RPM's above 2800 but no luck. It seems that 2800 is all she has. What should the engine top out at with this configuration? One other question, I would like you guys to try to answer that scares me the most about first flight is that with the engine setup and the airplane weighing 700 lbs. empty, is thing going to fly or not???? We will see y'all in Kentucky, 4th year and driving again. Thanks, Mike Garbez N998MG msgtlg@netins.net --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: CBlandford@mail.sbic.co.za To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Posa From: cartera Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 16:34:12 -0600 X-Message-Number: 11 GARYKR2@cs.com wrote: > > Throw the POSA as far as you can. Then throw it again. Get a Zenith from > Great Plains and once set up, I think you'll find the engine runs ok. Another > KR2 here ended up in a field, upside down due to a POSA. After replacing with > a Zenith we have been flying it without the engine missing a beat. And yes, I > know you POSA fans will say i'm full of used engine oil. > Gary Hinkle, > Middletown, Pa. > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: cartera@cuug.ab.ca > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com I don't think so, Gary. Mine went to where it should have been in the first place in the garbage. Anything that gives one that much trouble to get tuned, this is the place for it. -- Adrian VE6AFY Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: soobs From: Warron Gray Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 20:38:27 -0400 X-Message-Number: 12 In case anyone is interested we have found out that the stock cma in the ea-81 is just as good as any regrind with a redrive . Just some info for you guys Warron ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Garbez Flight Report Revised From: "garbez" Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:47:27 -0500 X-Message-Number: 13 My KR-2 is not a tail dragger, it is a tri gear with a steerable nose wheel. I can drive it around at 80 mph all day long. I also have had the nose wheel off the ground several different times. It comes off the ground with elevator at approximately 55 to 60 mph, and twice it felt like I was airborn, but I put her back down, I want to thank Tom Crawford for the offer but I can't get off work to go to Gainsville FL. I already took my vacation for the fly-in in KY. Also like to thank Gary Hinkle for his offer but I can't afford the expenses in getting you to IA just now. Thanks, Mike Garbez N998MG msgtlg@netins.net Griswold IA ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Flight Report From: Bobby Muse Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 21:40:50 -0500 X-Message-Number: 14 At 11:07 PM 07/27/1999 -0500, you wrote: I have been reading about >props and RPM's. I have an 1835 VW with a Revflow carb, 044 heads with duel >ignition, and a 52-46 prop. I have tried everything to get the RPM's above >2800 but no luck. It seems that 2800 is all she has. What should the >engine top out at with this configuration? One other question, I would like >you guys to try to answer that scares me the most about first flight is that >with the engine setup and the airplane weighing 700 lbs. empty, is thing >going to fly or not? >Thanks, > >Mike Garbez N998MG Mike, You might try a different RPM gauge. I believe that you are getting more rpm than 2800 with engine/prop/carb setup that you have. I don't know where you are but I would be you test pilot if I could.... It will fly! Bobby Muse mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: taxi testing From: Bobby Muse Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 21:40:51 -0500 X-Message-Number: 15 At 06:05 AM 07/28/1999 PDT, you wrote: >Garbez wrote: > >>KR-2 N998MG has not flown yet. I think this is the longest >>taxi testing in history, 6 months!! > >Hmmm... I think Bobby Muse will have to check his logbook to see if you have >him beat. As I recall the story, Bobby wanted to make sure he was >completely comfortable with the airplane before taking it in the air. Taxi >testing took a long time for him too. > >Oscar Zuniga Nope, He has me beat. I was able to get airborne in three months plus three days. Bobby Muse mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Posa From: Bobby Muse Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 21:58:12 -0500 X-Message-Number: 16 At 02:43 PM 07/28/1999 EDT, you wrote: >Throw the POSA as far as you can. Then throw it again. Get a Zenith from >Great Plains and once set up, I think you'll find the engine runs ok. Another >KR2 here ended up in a field, upside down due to a POSA. After replacing with >a Zenith we have been flying it without the engine missing a beat. And yes, I >know you POSA fans will say i'm full of used engine oil. > Gary Hinkle, >Middletown, Pa. > If you are ready to throw the Posa away, please send me a personal email. Bobby & Beverly Muse mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberley, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Posa (adressing issues) From: "Parley Byington" Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 20:17:11 -0700 X-Message-Number: 17 Mike I haven't forgot you, just haven't had a chance to measure the balance point for you yet. Hopefully I can get it in the next day or two. Regards Parley Mailto:parley@anv.net -----Original Message----- From: Mike Mims To: KR-net users group Date: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 9:21 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Posa (adressing issues) >JEHayward@aol.com wrote: >> >> >> Didn't work for me Bobby but then that might just be AOL's program. >> >> Jim Hayward >> Rapid City, SD >> >> > >That's because you AOL users don't count! :o) I have also heard that >many of the AOL users can not get to most of the Geocities web sites. >Is this true? I would like to move my site somewhere else but its hard >to beat 15 meg for free. > >On another note, did anyone determine where a 2180 VW balances? Also >for you engineer types, besides the extra weight what, if any are the >disadvantages to making the main center spar solid? I noticed that the >center main spar on the WAR Corsair is solid and the outer wings are >much like the KR. Just curious as to stress risers and things. I guess >it really doesn't qualify as a stress riser since the spar would have >continuous strength. Anyway email me off net as this isn't really a >"per plans" question. Also would any of you care to design a WAF that >would be good to say 1500 pounds gross with a plus and minus working >load of say 4gs? > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >Filling and Sanding again! >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >http://members.home.com/mikemims/ >Aliso Viejo CA >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: parley@anv.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Flight Report From: Michael Taglieri Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 03:13:04 -0400 X-Message-Number: 18 The gross weight of a KR-2 is 900 lbs, so unless you and fuel are more than 200 lbs., you won't be overgross. Therefor, it should fly as designed, although it looks like you build a one-seater, I hope on purpose. Mike Taglieri >One other question, I would like you guys to try to answer that scares >me the most about first flight is that with the engine setup and the airplane >weighing 700 lbs. empty, is thing going to fly or not???? We will see y'all >in Kentucky, 4th year and driving again. ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Posa From: Michael Taglieri Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 02:06:18 -0400 X-Message-Number: 19 If you, or anyone else, decide to take this advise and would like to sell the POSA instead of throwing it, please contact me by private e-mail. Mike Taglieri miket_nyc@juno.com >Throw the POSA as far as you can. Then throw it again. Get a Zenith from >Great Plains and once set up, I think you'll find the engine runs ok. Another >KR2 here ended up in a field, upside down due to a POSA. After replacing with >a Zenith we have been flying it without the engine missing a beat. And yes, I >know you POSA fans will say i'm full of used engine oil. > > Gary >Hinkle, >Middletown, Pa. > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: miket_nyc@juno.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com