From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 12:21 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: August 11, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Wednesday, August 11, 1999. 1. Re: Corvair engine links 2. diesel engine 3. Re: diesel engine 4. Alternator 5. Re: diesel engine 6. radio license 7. Re: radio license 8. Re: Engine Parts 9. Re: radio license 10. Re: radio license 11. Wood Grain and Bolted Joints (Very Long) 12. Re: radio license 13. Re: Web Site Moved 14. radio license 15. Re: Wood Grain and Bolted Joints (Very Long) 16. New Motivation 17. 200MPH web site 18. Re: Wood Grain and Bolted Joints (Very Long) 19. radio license 20. radio license 21. Re: diesel engine 22. Re: 200MPH web site 23. Re: Wood Grain and Bolted Joints (Very Long) 24. Re: radio license 25. Re: radio license 26. Re: Wood Grain and Bolted Joints (Very Long) 27. KR Gathering and Spar Question 28. Re: radio license ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Corvair engine links From: "Mark Langford" Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 06:42:32 -0500 X-Message-Number: 1 Larry Shull wrote: > Looks like you are going to have more power than you know what to do > with, if you can get it hooked up to a prop. Aren't you a bit worried about > creating a small black hole behind the thing when it goes by?? Nope, not really. I don't think the SkyPig will fit into such a small tear in the space/time continuum. I'm planning on using a 54" 3 blade wooden prop. Your wife chases motorcycles on a 3-wheeler? And I thought MY wife was cool...racing my stroked 16V Scirocco in her chipped A4. Some people just can't leave "well enough" alone... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: diesel engine From: "Tobin Dunham" Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 04:42:37 PDT X-Message-Number: 2 Hey guys, forget that Corvair stuff. The diesel engine that was advertised on kr-net is the real "wave of the future". Anyone who hasn't checked it out yet needs to. http://www.zoche.de It looks to me like the engine that would be best for a kr would be the 70hp, which weighs in at (I think) 121 lbs. Of course, you could step up to the 150hp model (at 185lbs) and still be lighter than a Corvair or a VW! Think about it, guys. Diesel runs on heat/compression, not a spark. So no more magnetos, meaning less weight. Just go through all the advantages of diesel on that site. They say it should be about the same price as a comparable gas-engine, so the price won't be too far out there. I know that will probably turn a lot of you off, but I think the price is well worth the advantages. When it comes time for me to look at engine options, this might be my first choice, if it's available. So now we need to convince all FBOs to carry diesel.... Toby Dunham Houston, TX homepage at http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/7013 _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: diesel engine From: "John Weikel" Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 07:08:52 -0500 X-Message-Number: 3 Not so, Toby, Those diesels run on Jet-A fuel which is carried at most FBOs. The kicker is going to be the price. I fear that it will go the way of so many promising AC engine designs by pricing themselves out of the market. They clearly state that they will not sell a non-certified version for home builders which means to me that I should start saving money now. What we need is someone like the guy in Florida that sells reconditioned non-certified AC engines as a cut price (about half the cost of a certified engine). John W KR-2S RW-6 Kerrville, Tx jandd@maverickbbs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tobin Dunham To: KR-net users group Date: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 6:42 AM Subject: [kr-net] diesel engine >Hey guys, forget that Corvair stuff. The diesel engine that was advertised >on kr-net is the real "wave of the future". Anyone who hasn't checked it >out yet needs to. http://www.zoche.de It looks to me like the engine that >would be best for a kr would be the 70hp, which weighs in at (I think) 121 >lbs. Of course, you could step up to the 150hp model (at 185lbs) and still >be lighter than a Corvair or a VW! > >Think about it, guys. Diesel runs on heat/compression, not a spark. So no >more magnetos, meaning less weight. Just go through all the advantages of >diesel on that site. They say it should be about the same price as a >comparable gas-engine, so the price won't be too far out there. I know that >will probably turn a lot of you off, but I think the price is well worth the >advantages. When it comes time for me to look at engine options, this might >be my first choice, if it's available. > >So now we need to convince all FBOs to carry diesel.... > >Toby Dunham >Houston, TX >homepage at http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/7013 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Alternator From: "Oscar Zuniga" Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 05:15:43 PDT X-Message-Number: 4 Hello, netters TLongcrier wrote: >I had an l835 cc HAPI engine complete >The case had the starter mounted on the top and it had a >slot in the side for an alternator belt to run through to >a pulley on the end of the crankshaft. The pulley was >sandwiched in between the fly wheel and the magneto connections. >The alternater was externally mounted to the case with brackets >and was belt driven from the pulley on the crankshaft. If anyone is interested in a similar, "poor man's" alternator setup but without an accessory case (Diehl or HAPI), Marvin Barnard has such a setup on the prototype M-19. He runs the Bosch distributor on his 1835 VW with a motorcycle battery and an alternator and regulator module off a John De*re lawn tractor. The setup was detailed in the Experimenter a few months back, including materials list, but basically consists of a washing machine pulley driving the alternator with a vee belt. In his case, the engine is quasi-solidly mounted to the firewall with close standoffs and the alternator is mounted to the firewall as well, with an adjustable attachment for tensioning. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/index.html _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: diesel engine From: "Mark Langford" Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 07:17:59 -0500 X-Message-Number: 5 Toby wrote: > So now we need to convince all FBOs to carry diesel.... I'll bet JP5 or JP8 would do. The aircraft loader that I'm helping design will burn any of the three without modification, and I'll bet the Zoche would too. The only thing about it is that it's been ALMOST ready for production for years, and the price. But I'm with you. That's probably the REAL wave of the future. Couldn't beat the safety aspects either. But I'll wager that it will cost considerably more than the total cost of my whole airplane though (about $18,000)... From the Zoche site (you probably already read this): The aero-diesel basically can be operated with Diesel fuel and a variety of Jet fuels. The use of Diesel fuel might be restricted as it is not a certified aviation fuel. Fuel clogging in the fuel lines is prevented by the pre-warmed fuel return: 90 % of the fuel flow is returned to the tanks after being pre-warmed in the engine. Jet fuel should be readily available on every airport and more reasonably priced than Avgas. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: radio license From: "Oscar Zuniga" Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 05:29:39 PDT X-Message-Number: 6 Hello again, netters I noticed an item on Rick Junkin's flight test pages (checklist) that lists station license as a checkoff item. Didn't the FCC remove the requirement for a station license for aircraft VHF comm installations? I do have a "Restricted Radiotelephone Operator Permit" (FCC Form 753) from back in 1981, but I don't think either this or the station license are required. Yes/no? Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/index.html _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: radio license From: "John Weikel" Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 07:44:10 -0500 X-Message-Number: 7 Oscar, The FCC has removed the requirement for a license. John W -----Original Message----- From: Oscar Zuniga To: KR-net users group Date: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 7:29 AM Subject: [kr-net] radio license >Hello again, netters > >I noticed an item on Rick Junkin's flight test pages (checklist) that lists >station license as a checkoff item. Didn't the FCC remove the requirement >for a station license for aircraft VHF comm installations? I do have a >"Restricted Radiotelephone Operator Permit" (FCC Form 753) from back in >1981, but I don't think either this or the station license are required. >Yes/no? > >Oscar Zuniga >Medford, Oregon >mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com >website at http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/index.html > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jandd@maverickbbs.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Engine Parts From: Bud Martin Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 07:05:53 -0600 X-Message-Number: 8 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------42BA5A8EE72C46E4EE5A40B2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gil Duty retired and moved to Florida some years ago, may have expired. Check through Four11 (or other 'phone search engine). He did excellent VW work, laid back guy, beautiful (second) wife--as I remember. Had blueberry bushes in the back yard ... mmmm. Look up the current owner of N73BM, who bought my Teenie from Gil. Maybe what you're looking for is available from him. --------------42BA5A8EE72C46E4EE5A40B2 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="budm303.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Bud Martin Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="budm303.vcf" begin:vcard n:Martin;Bud tel;home:3034200940 tel;work:8006490875 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.command.org org:Command Company adr:;;7172 Swadley Ct;Arvada;CO;80004-1253;USA version:2.1 email;internet:budm303@earthlink.net note;quoted-printable:USN/USAF (Ret.) BA/MS/Ph.D.=0D=0AAFA, AOPA, AWA, EAA, CAW, ESP ...=0D=0Aa fine cauldron of alphabet soup!=0D=0AWriter/Editor/Publisher ...=0D=0ACommAS&MEL&S-I, AGI (KV4FR) fn:Bud Martin end:vcard --------------42BA5A8EE72C46E4EE5A40B2-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: radio license From: Tom_Livingston@Pass-Seymour.com Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:23:07 -0400 X-Message-Number: 9 This is my first day on this user's group so please bear with me a little. I am preparing to flight test my KR2 which I built. It was given an airworthyness cert. last fall, but I had a problem with my medical. I am now attempting to get current flying before the first flight.I am also gathering all the test performance and checklists that I can find pertaining to flight testing the KR2. NOW THE QUESTION "I noticed an item on Rick Junkin's flight test pages (checklist) that lists >station license as a checkoff item." Where can I find Rick Junkin's flight test pages (checklist) ??? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: radio license From: Donald Reid Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 11:42:06 -0400 X-Message-Number: 10 Tom_Livingston@Pass-Seymour.com wrote: > Where can I find Rick Junkin's flight test pages (checklist) ??? > Good luck with the flight testing, and go to http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Wood Grain and Bolted Joints (Very Long) From: Donald Reid Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:13:12 -0400 X-Message-Number: 11 There has been some incorrect information floating around the net the for a while concerning wood grain and bolted joints. If anyone is interested, here is the real story. References used are ANC-18, Design of Wood Aircraft Structures, and ANC-19, Wood Aircraft Inspection and Fabrication. There are tables of mechanical properties available which are derived from standard engineering tests. This tabulated data represents the best estimate of the strength of the wood specie under various loading configurations. There are two grain orientations, the load applied parallel to the grain, and the load applied perpendicular to the grain. The wood grain should not be confused with the growth rings. The grain direction is defined by the direction of the wood fibers, the longitudinal axis of the tree. The growth rings are a radial and tangential component of the wood structure. Quoting from ANC-18, "Tests indicate that the stress at proportional limit when the growth rings are placed horizontal does not differ greatly when the growth rings are placed vertical. For design purposes, therefore, the values of strength in compression perpendicular to grain as given in tables 2-6 and 2-7 may be used regardless of the ring placement." It further states, "Tests indicate that the plane of failure being tangential or radial makes little difference in strength in tension perpendicular to grain. Results from both types of tests have been combined to give the values shown..." The loading pattern mentioned above is one in which the wood grains are being pulled apart. In a wing attachment fitting, the load application will tend to crush the wood fibers, since the load path is in line with the grains. Again quoting, "The strength of wood in bearing parallel to the grain against solid steel aircraft bolts disposed along the member in single or double lines with the load divided equally between the two ends of the bolt ... is expressed in terms of the maximum crushing strength (of the wood)." The crushing strength of the wood is not dependent upon the orientation of growth rings. The loading pattern described in the quote is a wing attachment fitting, just like in a KR. Checks, Splits, and Shakes: (Paraphasing from ANC-19) "A check is a longitudinal crack in wood, generally in the radial direction and are usually due to uneven shrinkage in seasoning. A split is a longitudinal crack in the wood. It is caused by rough handling or other artificially induced stress. Typically, it extends through the thickness of a piece from side to side reguradless of whether the piece is edge-grained or flat-grained. A shake is a longitudinal crack in wood between two annual rings, they originate in green wood. It is obvious that relatively large checks, splits, and shakes may seriously weaken wooden members in resitance to longitudinal shear, and finished parts containing them should be rejected." So, we need to protect mainly against checking, which is caused by seasonal changes in the wood due to changes in humidity. There are several ways to prevent checking. Covering the endgrain of a piece of wood with paint or epoxy or varnish to minimize humidity changes is one way, but that mearly slows down the process of the change. Water will still pass through the chemical barrier of the coating, it will just do it slower. Yes, even the best epoxy will still allow moisture to migrate through the wood. The other method to prevent checking is to cross-band the wood. The plywood shear web on the spars is an example of cross-banding. The plywood is very resistant to checking due to the many thin layers of wood. The plywood in turn will stabilize the solid substrate under it (the spar caps). That just leaves the ends of the spar caps exposed. If they are laminated from two or more pieces of wood, the likelyhood of checking is further reduced. If the end of the spar caps are cross-banded in some way, this will virtually eliminate the chance of checking. I chose to cross-band my spars with the plywood of the wing ribs. Other methods are available. Now for the conclusions: A wooden spar may be fabricated with the growth rings oriented either horizontally or vertically and there is NO difference in the overall strength of the spar. It is my opinion that any lamination in the spar cap should be either oriented perpendicular to the bolts, or arranged so that the bolts do not fall on a glue line. End grain of any sort should be protected from checks and splits by cross-banding or a barrier coat (epoxy or varnish) A 3/16" bolt, passing through a 2 - 3/8" thick piece of spruce, which is reinforced with plywood on the outer surfaces (just like a KR main spar) will be able to carry a load of approximately 1,150 pounds. Since there are eight bolts through the spar cap in each wing attachment fitting, each fitting will carry approximately 9000 pounds in either tension or compression and that is all. -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: radio license From: Kimball Anderson Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:42:01 -0400 X-Message-Number: 12 -----Original Message----- From: Donald Reid To: KR-net users group Date: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 11:57 AM Subject: [kr-net] Re: radio license >Tom_Livingston@Pass-Seymour.com wrote: > >> Where can I find Rick Junkin's flight test pages (checklist) ??? >> > >Good luck with the flight testing, and go to > >http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking > The checklists are located in the Appendices section. Be sure to read the entire Test Plan, though. There's a lot of valuable information in there. Good luck! Kimball Anderson isleno@hargray.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Web Site Moved From: EveninBrz@aol.com Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:19:39 EDT X-Message-Number: 13 In a message dated 8/10/1999 11:40:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mikemims@home.com writes: << FYI I moved my site to: http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ >> Thanks Mike, I added it to my favorites or should I say changed from the old to the new. Anyway thanks. Larry Shull ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: radio license From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:35:22 -0500 X-Message-Number: 14 For boats, it's required for foreign travel, like Florida to Bahamas. Probably the same for flight? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Wood Grain and Bolted Joints (Very Long) From: "Tobin Dunham" Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 11:03:32 PDT X-Message-Number: 15 Donald Reid wrote: >There has been some incorrect information floating around the net the > >for a while concerning wood grain and bolted joints. If anyone is > >interested, here is the real story. Yikes! That was a lot of reading! Are you shooting for one of those kr-net awards??? Good info, though. Toby Dunham Houston, TX homepage at http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/7013 _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: New Motivation From: smithr Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:12:29 -0400 X-Message-Number: 16 After getting practically nothing accomplished over the last 6 months, I am now re-energized and going strong on my KR. I think my problem was fivefold: 1) I had become overwhelmed with all that I had yet to do (so many details) 2) I didn't have a good plan to find the time to get that work done and 3) I was wasting time screwing around on the computer (FS98 is great fun!!) 4) I was thinking that maybe I should just buy a spam can and be done with it 5) Money is getting to be a problem (more expensive stuff is needed) So I thought it all over and realized that a finished KR would be much more fun to fly than a spam can. I then made up a time management work plan with a "get it done fast" attitude that divided the job into 27 sections. This will allow me to finish a section and feel that I have accomplished something. I also decided to not waste any time on the PC (this was my biggest waste of time). I now intend to do something every day. And as for the money, I'll just have to dig a little deeper into my pockets. So now I'm feeling good about the project. Just foamed the hstab and elevator, soon to sand it to shape. Bob Smith, getting a little bit accomplished each day ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 200MPH web site From: "Tom Andersen" Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:38:05 -0400 X-Message-Number: 17 For all the newcomers to KRNet: My KR-2S web site is at: http://www.t-three.com/200MPH/ . I've got some pictures of my KR-2S project (I promise I'll post more, I've made some progress since those pics), plus pictures of my 1/4 scale KR-2S, the only one in the world. You'll get a laugh when you see my radio control lawnmower which is 3 years old now and still mowing great twice a month. There's also in-flight pictures from my flight in Tom Crawford's smooth KR-2, and there's some pics of Dave Blucher's KR-2S here in Orlando FL. I have a KR-2S foam kit for sale for a measly $200, less than half the original cost. BTW anyone in Orlando is invited to come by and talk KR. -Tom ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Wood Grain and Bolted Joints (Very Long) From: Donald Reid Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 18:47:47 -0400 X-Message-Number: 18 Tobin Dunham wrote: > > Donald Reid wrote: > > >There has been some incorrect information floating around the net the > >for a while concerning wood grain and bolted joints. If anyone is > >interested, here is the real story. > > Yikes! That was a lot of reading! Are you shooting for one of those kr-net > awards??? Good info, though. No, just trying to keep things right. -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: radio license From: "Paul O'Reilly" Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:33:22 -0400 X-Message-Number: 19 the radio station license and your personal operators license are "required" for international travel. Paul Beechman@compuserve.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: radio license From: Bill Zorc <73101.157@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:05:16 -0400 X-Message-Number: 20 As I recall, the radio license is not now required for PILOTS unless you fly internationally. However, unless the rules have changed again, (and I might be out of date here) a radio station license is required for any aircraft that has a transmitter. The FCC in Gettysburg, PA will provide forms. Many years ago, when my wife and I had our flight school, it was possible to get a fleet license is you had more than five aircraft. Bill Zorc Vero Beach, FL 73101.157@compuserve.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: diesel engine From: Mike Mims Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 18:15:05 -0700 X-Message-Number: 21 Tobin Dunham wrote: > > Hey guys, forget that Corvair stuff. The diesel engine that was advertised on kr-net is the real "wave of the future".>>>> Yeah Right! I got a 20 year old copy of Sport Aviation with a picture of Michael Zoche standing next to his "almost ready for flight testing" diesel engine. Don't hold your breath! For a list of engines that you can buy TODAY and possible use in your KR go to the new engine-hp-weight page at: http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/weights.htm -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: 200MPH web site From: Tim Key Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:30:39 -0400 X-Message-Number: 22 Tom, I live here in Orlando and have a KR2 in the boat stage, would love to visit and talk. Give me your number. Tim Key ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Wood Grain and Bolted Joints (Very Long) From: Mike Mims Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 18:41:34 -0700 X-Message-Number: 23 Donald Reid wrote: > > Now for the conclusions: > A wooden spar may be fabricated with the growth rings oriented either > horizontally or vertically and there is NO difference in the overall > strength of the spar. Way to go Don! Keep these Yahoos in order will ya? :o) I wonder who will be the next person to leave those lightning holes out of the WAFs? ;o) If some of you guys out there are doing the math trying to figure out how RR came up with 8 g's or so for the max load limit, Don't forget that the weight of the wings shouldn't really be included in your load figures. That's probably 100 pounds for most of us, more for some of us! :o) The weight of the pilots kinda figures in to the equation weirdly too because they are not really sitting in the fuselage but rather ON THE SPARs themselves. The weak area (if there is one) is where the load is transferred to the main spar where it exits the fuselage. Well the pilot weight is not part of this load, only the fuselage and things that are connected to it. Don, straighten me out here if I am wrong. Something else that I kinda wonder about is when builders don't permanently mount the seat back in place. This looks to me like a shear web to keep the fuselage square. Is it not? This is a strong airframe guys, the WAFs and the way they attach have an incredible amount of safety margin built in to them. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: radio license From: SkyHawk11@aol.com Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:00:44 EDT X-Message-Number: 24 Radio lic not required This issue has been dead about 4 years now skyhawk11@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: radio license From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:40:12 -0700 X-Message-Number: 25 On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:05:16 -0400 Bill Zorc <73101.157@compuserve.com> writes: >As I recall, the radio license is not now required for PILOTS unless you >fly internationally. However, unless the rules have changed again, (and I >might be out of date here) a radio station license is required for any >aircraft that has a transmitter. The FCC in Gettysburg, PA will provide >forms. Many years ago, when my wife and I had our flight school, it was >possible to get a fleet license is you had more than five aircraft. > >Bill Zorc >Vero Beach, FL >73101.157@compuserve.com Bill, et al, The FCC went through some wild gyrations a couple of years ago where they decided they wanted to charge something like $125 per transmitter license. After a firestorm of hate mail, they decided it wasn't worth the paperwork effort for less money. There was also the problem of how to address portable transmitters, i.e. handheld radios. The end result was that the radio station license requirement for aircraft was dropped. At this time, it is not necessary except for international travel. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213w construction and first flight at http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Wood Grain and Bolted Joints (Very Long) From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:04:49 -0700 X-Message-Number: 26 On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 18:41:34 -0700 Mike Mims writes: >Something else that I kinda wonder about is when builders don't >permanently mount the seat back in place. This looks to me like a shear >web to keep the fuselage square. Is it not? > >This is a strong airframe guys, the WAFs and the way they attach have an >incredible amount of safety margin built in to them. > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims My seat back is mounted to a hinge with a baggage compartment behind it. I have a solid bulkhead at the back of the baggage compartment which should keep things nicely squared. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213w construction and first flight at http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KR Gathering and Spar Question From: "T.Flemming" Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:27:19 -0500 X-Message-Number: 27 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BEE448.ACD87E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Do the spars need to be inspected before closing them up with plywood by = anyone? I am planning my KR Gathering itinerary and I'm curious what time on = Friday most people will be arriving. Last but not least, Word to the Wise. Wear Goggles when Grinding !!! I finally did it. I had to go to the ER Sat. Night after grinding my = rudder pedals with a Dremmel. I was wearing safety glasses, but a piece = of shrapenel got me in the left eye. It bothered me all day Friday and = after work Sat. I went to the ER and the good Doctor removed a small = piece of 4130 steel with a tiny drill that ironically looked alot like a = Dremmel with an engraving bit chucked in it. =20 Trent & Kellie Flemming tflemming@texramp.net www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hall/9098 ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BEE448.ACD87E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Do the spars need to be inspected before closing them up with = plywood by=20 anyone?
 
I am planning my KR Gathering itinerary and I'm curious what = time on=20 Friday most people will be arriving.
 
Last but not least,  Word to the Wise. Wear Goggles = when=20 Grinding !!!
I finally did it.  I had to go to the ER Sat. Night after = grinding my=20 rudder pedals with a Dremmel.  I was wearing safety glasses, but a = piece of=20 shrapenel got me in the left eye.  It bothered me all day Friday = and after=20 work Sat. I went to the ER and the good Doctor removed a small piece of = 4130=20 steel with a tiny drill that ironically looked alot like a Dremmel with = an=20 engraving bit chucked in it. 
 
Trent & Kellie Flemming
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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BEE448.ACD87E00-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: radio license From: Jaccoo@aol.com Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 00:23:45 EDT X-Message-Number: 28 I believe the radio license is for the navcom if the aircraft is so equipped. The transmitter must be licensed, not the operator. Jack Cooper jaccoo@aol.com kr2cooper@aol.com --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com