From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 12:18 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: August 31, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Tuesday, August 31, 1999. 1. Tires 2. Re: Exaust stacks, Type 4 3. Re: mnting of revmaster engine mnt. 4. Weights and trim tab 5. Re: Exaust stacks, Type 4 6. Re: N415RJ Update - tail feather weights 7. Re:Fuel 8. Re: Suggestion for KRNet attacment policy 9. Re: ReTire Sizes 10. Re: Exaust stacks, Type 4 11. Re:Fuel 12. Re: Mo progress. 13. Re: Exaust stacks, Type 4 14. Calgary - Nov 13th KR day 15. Rides for the Gathering 16. Re: Exaust stacks, Type 4 17. Re: Rides for the Gathering 18. mnting of rev master motor mnt. 19. Re: Exaust stacks, Type 4 20. Re: mnting of rev master motor mnt. 21. Re: mnting of rev master motor mnt. 22. Re: Rides for the Gathering 23. Re: Rides for the Gathering 24. posting a message 25. Re: Rides for the Gathering 26. Plaster of Paris mold 27. Re: Plaster of Paris mold 28. Re: Rides for the Gathering 29. Re: Plaster of Paris mold 30. Re: Plaster of Paris mold 31. Re: Rides for the Gathering 32. Re: Rides for the Gathering 33. RE: Calgary - Nov 13th KR day 34. Re: Exaust stacks, Type 4 35. RE: Plaster of Paris mold 36. Re: Rides for the Gathering 37. Re: Plaster of Paris mold 38. Avionics 39. Re: Plaster of Paris mold 40. Re: Plaster of Paris mold/KR-2S model trimming 41. Re: Rides for the Gathering 42. Re: ceramic coated (Re: Exaust stacks, Type 4) 43. Re: Plaster of Paris mold 44. Re: Exaust stacks, Type 4 45. Re: Avionics 46. revmaster engine 47. MARK GARBEZ AT MSGTLG@NETINS.NET 48. New Pictures ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Tires From: Jim Faughn Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 06:52:15 -0500 X-Message-Number: 1 --------------932AAC535BC8CA202E486BAD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now for a new request. I would like to know what tire size that you have and what air pressure are you using? In the mains, nose or tail wheels? I would like to hear from all flying KRs? Thanks, Bobby Muse N122B - Wimberley, TX mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com ------------------- I use the racing go-cart tires from Steve for my mains. I believe they are 4.10 x 5 and fill them to 45 psi. The tail wheel is also from Steve and is softer than any other I have see which cuts down on noise while taxiing, it's solid. As an update, I will finish up the sanding tonight on my wheel pants and expect to paint eigher tonight or tomorrow evening. Have I ever told anyone that I HATE SANDING! And yes Bobby, I will never know if the wheels are turning again. Jim Faughn N8931JF St. Louis, MO mailto:jfaughn@mvp.net (314) 652-7659 or Cell (314) 346-4038 --------------932AAC535BC8CA202E486BAD Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now for a new request.  I would like to know what tire size that you have
and what air pressure are you using?  In the mains, nose or tail wheels?
I would like to hear from all flying KRs?

Thanks,

Bobby Muse
N122B - Wimberley, TX
mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com
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I use the racing go-cart tires from Steve for my mains. I believe they are 4.10 x 5 and fill them to 45 psi. The tail wheel is also from Steve and is softer than any other I have see which cuts down on noise while taxiing, it's solid.

As an update, I will finish up the sanding tonight on my wheel pants and expect to paint eigher tonight or tomorrow evening. Have I ever told anyone that I HATE SANDING! And yes Bobby, I will never know if the wheels are turning again.

Jim Faughn  N8931JF
St. Louis, MO
mailto:jfaughn@mvp.net
(314) 652-7659 or Cell (314) 346-4038
  --------------932AAC535BC8CA202E486BAD-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Exaust stacks, Type 4 From: tom Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:09:39 -0400 X-Message-Number: 2 RFG842@aol.com wrote: > > Beginning to lay out the stacks for my Type 4. Don't know whether to run > into 1 stack exiting on the passenger side or 2 stacks, one on each side. > Pilot's side stack would run close to the gasalotor. One stack would give me > room for the heat muff on the cross over. > > Can anyone with a Type 4 installation give me some hints? > > Tnks, Bob > > Find the original muffler- cut it open and look inside. Once you remove all the crap surrounding them, there lies a perfect 2 into 1 exhaust pipe. In fact, there's one for each side! I used them- works well. I cut off the end and welded on a curved piece of 4130 to exit the plane on each side. -- Tom Crawford Gainesville, FL N262TC Mailto:toys@atlantic.net http://www.tomshardwoodtoys.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: mnting of revmaster engine mnt. From: Bobby Muse Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 08:00:16 -0500 X-Message-Number: 3 At 12:43 AM 08/30/1999 EDT, you wrote: >I recently changed my KR2 ( which had a revmaster engine on an original Rand >motor mount) from a tail dragger to a Diehl nose dragger plus added the 2" >spacers >By adding the 2" spacers the starter hit the bottom cross brace and forced the >removal of the cross brace and adding a new curved one, it was an unexpected >surprise to have to do all that work for the 2" spacers ( to move the engine >forward) > >Larry Howell > > When I built my KR with revmaster engine and Deihl trigear, I used 1" spacers and had no problem clearing the cross brace. I first flew with the revmaster starter and converted to the Subaru starter. Both starters cleared the cross brace. My Weight&Balance numbers could not be better. FYI, Bobby Muse N122B - Wimberley, TX mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Weights and trim tab From: "John Martindale" Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 6:4:48 X-Message-Number: 4 Hi Folks Elevator is 7.5 lbs with MAC 4A, trim tab with piano hinge, divinycell foam, all hinges/horn, ready to paint. Stabiliser is 8 lbs. My extra weight is in resin used to join divinycell foam sheets and in micro to fill the grooves in it. The latter allow it to be formed around curves with less sanding. Hope I don't go too tail heavy!!! The MAC4A gives 3/4 inch linkage travel which relates to 1 7/8" travel at trim trailing edge ie., about 30 degrees up and 30 down. This using a 4 inch wide tab and a horn of 3/4 inch as per plans. Works well and very powerful motor and gearing. I mounted the servo off a bracket epoxied to the elevator spar. The whole assembly is flush. See Ya John ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Exaust stacks, Type 4 From: Bobby Muse Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 08:05:21 -0500 X-Message-Number: 5 At 12:50 AM 08/30/1999 EDT, you wrote: >The KR2 that I have been repairing went down on takeoff because of vaporlock. >Joe at RevMaster told me that it was important on KR2's to insulate the >gascolator >and that Ken Rand had vaporlock on the original and had discovered that he >needed >to insulate it, so this one will definitely be insulated. > >Larry Howell > I had problems with heat/vaporlock during taxi tests. I built a box around the gascolator and put a NASA vent on the side on the cowling to force cool air into the gascolator box. The problem went away. FYI, Bobby Muse N122B - Wimberley, TX mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: N415RJ Update - tail feather weights From: EagleGator@aol.com Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:45:43 EDT X-Message-Number: 6 Haris wrote: > << > Horiz Stab - 5.5 pounds > Elevator - 4.5 pounds >> > > These are pretty good weights. Way better than mine. I do have two questions. > > Aer they stock and whether they are painted or not. > Sorry for the omission of details the first time. The stab and elevator are both per KR-2S plans. The filling and sanding is pretty much done, but they are not painted. the elevator weight DOES NOT INCLUDE the MAC 4A trim servo. All other hardware is installed. Hope this helps. Cheers, Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com, http://members.aol.com/eaglegator St. Charles MO N415RJ still about 37% done ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re:Fuel From: Tom Raby GRE/ER PwrSysOp Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:58:45 -0500 X-Message-Number: 7 Here in the upper midwest almost all automotive gasoline has alchohol in it. The agricultural lobbies push hard to require it. There are many 'experts' assuring people that alchohol in gasoline is good for the planet and society in general. Be advised, if your passing through that alchohol free auto gas might be hard to come by. -----Original Message----- From: jscott.pilot@juno.com [mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com] Sent: Saturday, August 28, 1999 11:10 PM To: KR-net users group Subject: [kr-net] Re:Fuel On Sat, 28 Aug 1999 18:50:10 -0500 Bobby Muse writes: > I would like to know from you guys... Which auto gas is best to use with my > Safe-T-epoxy built fuel tank? I had used Amoco Premium auto gas in Georgia > and Tennessee and my KR ran better than when I used Avgas. I heard that > Avgas has four times the lead in it that the VW(Revmaster 2100D) was > designed to use. When I use only Avgas I get lead build up on the valve > seats which results in burnt or leaking valves. > Bobby, The goal is to avoid gas with alcohol in it as that is the most likely component to damage your tanks. It's easy to test. Put a small amount of water into a bottle and mark the water level. Fill the bottle the rest of the way with fuel from your favorite gas station. Shake some then see what the water level is when it precipitates back out in a couple of minutes. If the water level has gone down, that's because some of it is suspended in the alcohol in the gas. If the water level doesn't change, there's no alcohol in the gas. Be sure to check periodically until you have confidence that the gas station consistantly does not have alcohol additives. Also make sure you check in the winter as alcohol is routinely blended in much more often during winter months. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213w construction and first flight at http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: traby@grenergy.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Suggestion for KRNet attacment policy From: Ross Youngblood Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:18:57 -0700 X-Message-Number: 8 I will look into setting Lyris up to reject attachments. -- Ross > Rick Hubka wrote: > > In regards to the virus sent to KRNet as of late. > > I was suspicious of an unqualified attachment from an unknown KRNet > member and did not open it. I feel bad now that I did not send this > caution back to the group but thought to my self "Rick you're just a > paranoid programmer. Everyone will think you're nuts". > > I'm ok. I hope that most of you who got infected can recover our data > and system. > > Can we as a group adopt a policy: > 1) Never send an attachment. > 2) Rules are meant to be broken.....If you feel it is absolutely > necessary to send an attachment. Then send it first to one (1) well > known KRNet member who is prepared to accept attachments, scan them > and forward them to the group with a message header and message body > stating the attachment is safe (scanned & virus free) and of value to > the group. > 3) See rule number 1... > 4) See rule number 1... > > I don't think this policy is a big deal because attachments only > appear about once a month. > > If we adopt a policy I would our net Mom or KRNet send it out as > reminder to new members on a weekly basis. How about on advertising > Friday which is our other undocumented policy. > > Take care and happy building... from the paranoid programmer. > > Rick Hubka > Email: rick@hubka.com > Web Site: www.hubka.com > Calgary, Alberta, Canada ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: ReTire Sizes From: DClarke351@aol.com Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 13:10:41 EDT X-Message-Number: 9 I too use the 500-5 on the mains. (Off of a 1958 150 that had a problem landing in the dessert). Don Clarke ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Exaust stacks, Type 4 From: Ross Youngblood Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:39:58 -0700 X-Message-Number: 10 I had my exhaust stack ceramic coated to keep my engine cooler. I'll post later once I know if it works. (I havent run up the engine since the stack came back from the thermal coat folks.) It's a plasma coating that has a lifetime warranty. It's supposed to keep the pipes at about '80 degrees or so, and each degree of heat you keep in the exhaust gas is supposed to give you a bit more power. (It's minimal 1-3% more power). - Ross Laheze@aol.com wrote: > > The KR2 that I have been repairing went down on takeoff because of vaporlock. > Joe at RevMaster told me that it was important on KR2's to insulate the > gascolator > and that Ken Rand had vaporlock on the original and had discovered that he > needed > to insulate it, so this one will definitely be insulated. > > Larry Howell > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re:Fuel From: KRBLUCH@aol.com Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:11:38 EDT X-Message-Number: 11 Bobby, KR-2S tail dragger. I'm using Lamb, 11X4.oo-5 6 ply. Pressure is kept at 25 psi for less bounce. Lower pressures might be used on grass. Dave Blucher N197DB ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Mo progress. From: KRBLUCH@aol.com Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:19:06 EDT X-Message-Number: 12 I have the KR fuel tank. It's pretty sturdy when complete. The internal baffles Really stiffen it. Build light! Dave Blucher KR-2S N197DB ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Exaust stacks, Type 4 From: Horn2004@aol.com Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:45:06 EDT X-Message-Number: 13 In a message dated 8/30/99 1:01:22 PM, rossy@teleport.com writes: <> Higher temp exhaust gases help accelerate the velocity of the exhaust gases through the pipe which, in theory, boosts performance and helps scavenge the spent gasses from the heads. Most racers wrap or coat their headers to benefit from the increased gas velocity and the efficiency it yields. Every little bit helps. Steve Horn horn2004@aol.com Dallas, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Calgary - Nov 13th KR day From: "Rick Hubka" Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:35:04 -0600 X-Message-Number: 14 Hi KRNetters A few of us KR builders up in Western Canada (who can't make it to this years gathering. I'm going next year!) are planning a 1 day KR builders day in Calgary on November 13. Some of us have never met another KR builder. Hell... I've never seen a live (touchy feely) KR past the boat stage. Henning Mortensen (Regina, Saskatchewan henning_work@hotmail.com ) and myself (Rick Hubka Calgary, Alberta rick@hubka.com ) have talked about getting together since our first emails back in March of this year. So we are inviting any KR builder who: - lives in Western Canada - also any builder who might be in the Calgary vicinity traveling at that time. - also any KR builder anywhere who'd travel the distance to meet us for a 10 hour KR day. Place: 65 Butler Crescent NW Calgary, Alberta, Canada H: (403) 284-5126 Time: Saturday November 13th, 1999 10am to 8pm Most of the time will be in my garage ( 32' X 24' heated with a bar fridge) with my KR boat and a dozen chairs! Henning and I have come up with a tentative agenda which is majorly flexible. Agenda 10:00 am - Arrive and do the hi/hello thing - Hot Wire a couple of 1 Ft sample wings ( I just got the $27.00 Hot Wire Kit from A.S.) 1 hour - Apply some filler to a dent in one. Drink beer & chat while filler dries 12:00 BBQ burgers & dogs and more beer. 13:00 - Sand the filler & foam ( may need a blow dryer to dry it) - Apply a layer of fiberglass to one mini wing - 1 hour - Apply a layer of Carbon or Kevlar fiber to the other- 1 hour 15:00 - Open discussion about the new airfoil and check out the WAF's & new airfoil templates from... Opps...Can't say it's not Friday. - Drink more beer and check out the new Dragon Fly Canopy. - Drink more beer and send a group message to KR-Net telling the boys what we're up to. - Drink more beer & talk motors, wings, composites, instruments, control hardware, wood, etc....... 18:00 - Walk ( because we've had too much beer) to one of a few nice restaurants within 10 min's walk. - Have a nice dinner... more KR talk... more beer... 20:00 - Take a taxi/cab to a hotel if you've had too much beer or I can accommodate 2 guests in my house. We're hoping to attract about 8 to 12 builders for our KR day. requirements - BYOB and buy your own dinner at the restaurant. I'll have a plentifull supply of free ( dot 5% beer). That's my building beer!! If you'd like to come or want more info please email me "privately"... (NOT KRNET). I'll post this message again about once every 2 weeks with an update and try not to use up too much bandwidth and mailbox space. Rick Hubka Email: rick@hubka.com Web Site: www.hubka.com *** Developing an allergy to gussets... Calgary, Alberta, Canada ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Rides for the Gathering From: Jim Faughn Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:56:40 -0500 X-Message-Number: 15 I am getting excited about the gathering and giving lots of rides this year. I wanted to throw an idea out and see what the people on the net thought about it. Last year and some times in years before, people who really needed a ride didn't get it. Without setting up a system that would put us in a great deal of liability problems, I was wondering if some kind of priority system could be devised that placed people who are nearing completion at the first of the line for rides. Last year Marti told me that after he landed a guy told him that this was his second ride and he hadn't even bought the plans for a KR yet. I feel that the rides we give are more for first flight safety than to sell plans. I may be in left field but I feel a great responsibility to give people who are about to fly their planes first shot and even a second shot at a ride before people who aren't even in our community yet. Yes, I did get the wheel pants painted and now its back to flying only. -- Jim Faughn N8931JF St. Louis, MO mailto:jfaughn@mvp.net (314) 652-7659 or Cell (314) 346-4038 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Exaust stacks, Type 4 From: "J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd." Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:17:07 -0700 X-Message-Number: 16 -----Original Message----- From: Ross Youngblood To: KR-net users group Date: Monday, August 30, 1999 11:13 AM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Exaust stacks, Type 4 >I had my exhaust stack ceramic coated to keep my engine cooler. >I'll post later once I know if it works. (I havent run up the >engine since the stack came back from the thermal coat folks.) >It's a plasma coating that has a lifetime warranty. It's supposed >to keep the pipes at about '80 degrees or so, and each degree >of heat you keep in the exhaust gas is supposed to give you >a bit more power. (It's minimal 1-3% more power). > > - Ross Good investment. The racing folks have been doing this for years to get hotter gasses to the turbo's for better turbo performance. I dont believe that it increases power in a naturally aspirated engine except it will keep the engine compartment from getting so much I.R heat. Heavy Aluminum Foil around exhaust pipe will also keep I.R. from getting into the compartment area. Intense I.R. starts at 800 deg F and really get bad at 1600 deg F, which is where the engine exhaust gasses run. I.R. is what hardens the synthetic materials such as spark plug wires and etc. Notice the new auto's have aluminum shields. Ron ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Rides for the Gathering From: "J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd." Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:38:47 -0700 X-Message-Number: 17 -----Original Message----- From: Jim Faughn To: KR-net users group Date: Monday, August 30, 1999 5:52 PM Subject: [kr-net] Rides for the Gathering >I am getting excited about the gathering and giving lots of rides this >year. I wanted to throw an idea out and see what the people on the net >thought about it. Last year and some times in years before, people who >really needed a ride didn't get it. Without setting up a system that >would put us in a great deal of liability problems, I was wondering if >some kind of priority system could be devised that placed people who are >nearing completion at the first of the line for rides. Last year Marti >told me that after he landed a guy told him that this was his second >ride and he hadn't even bought the plans for a KR yet. I feel that the >rides we give are more for first flight safety than to sell plans. I may >be in left field but I feel a great responsibility to give people who >are about to fly their planes first shot and even a second shot at a >ride before people who aren't even in our community yet. > >Yes, I did get the wheel pants painted and now its back to flying only. > >-- >Jim Faughn N8931JF >St. Louis, MO I think it's a good idea. I got a ride with you Jim a year before last. I am not finished with my KR but it gave me a lot of fuel to finish mine up. My work at GM and JRL still occupies most of my time however I am making progress. Thanks, Jim KRRon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: mnting of rev master motor mnt. From: "cleo greenhaw" Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:52:44 X-Message-Number: 18 To Bobby muse and other members with this knowledge. I'm sorrry I must have not made my self clear on this subject. Thank you for imfo on spacers. However, what I really need to know is where do I mount the engine mount on the fire wall for the revmaster mount. I want to be correct in mounting it so that the engine lines up properly with the thrust line. There is already a nose wheeel mount on the fire wall. I believe that this nose wheel mount is a Deihel mount. Sorry guys, I am new to the net, and this KR-2 is a purchased project, mostly built, except for mmounting the engine, a revemaster 2180. Please bear with me!!! Cleo at Cleo@fullnet.net in Oklahoma ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Exaust stacks, Type 4 From: Bobby Muse Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:53:47 -0500 X-Message-Number: 19 At 10:39 AM 08/30/1999 -0700, you wrote: >I had my exhaust stack ceramic coated to keep my engine cooler. >I'll post later once I know if it works. (I havent run up the >engine since the stack came back from the thermal coat folks.) >It's a plasma coating that has a lifetime warranty. It's supposed >to keep the pipes at about '80 degrees or so, and each degree >of heat you keep in the exhaust gas is supposed to give you >a bit more power. (It's minimal 1-3% more power). > > - Ross I had my exhaust ceramic coated a year ago. It does run cooler than uncoated but as cool as the fabric coated pipes that I flew with for four years. I can't see any difference in performance, but I would do it(ceramic coating) again because it does maintain the heat at a controllable rate, they look great and I don't have to ever worry about my exhaust pipes again. Bobby Muse N122B - Wimberley, TX mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: mnting of rev master motor mnt. From: Bobby Muse Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:04:21 -0500 X-Message-Number: 20 At 07:52 PM 08/30/1999, you wrote: >To Bobby muse and other members with this >knowledge. I'm sorrry I must have not made my self clear on this subject. >Thank you for imfo on spacers. However, what I really need to know is >where do I mount the engine mount on the fire wall for the revmaster >mount. >I want to be correct in mounting it so that >the engine lines up properly with the thrust line. There is already a nose >wheeel mount on the fire wall. I believe that this nose wheel mount is a >Deihel mount. Sorry guys, I am new to the net, and this KR-2 is a >purchased project, mostly built, except for mmounting the engine, a >revemaster 2180. Please bear with me!!! >Cleo at Cleo@fullnet.net in Oklahoma > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: bmuse@mindspring.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > Cleo, I mounted my engine mount centered so that you are able to center the structural crossmembers that will provide suitable backplates and support for a proper engine insulation. Bobby Muse N122B - Wimberley, TX mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: mnting of rev master motor mnt. From: Mike Mims Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:15:50 -0700 X-Message-Number: 21 cleo greenhaw wrote: > Sorry guys, I am new to the net, and this KR-2 is a > purchased project, mostly built, except for mmounting the engine, a > revemaster 2180. Please bear with me!!! > Cleo at Cleo@fullnet.net in Oklahoma Cleo I would think regardless of what engine you install you would want the mount to center up on the mount rails as best as possible. Also if you have the Revmaster cowling (or any cowling) you would want to mount the engine so the prop flange is in the center of the hole. The thrust location on the KR is not as critical as one might think. Just center it up with your cowling and the mount rails and your done. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Rides for the Gathering From: KRkip@aol.com Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:29:17 EDT X-Message-Number: 22 I am planing to fly my KR to the flyin this year providing that the weather here in the northeast doesn't defeat me. I also will be happy to give rides and i agree with jim that some form of ride list should be made to let the builders that are nearing their first flights get the first rides. Also i would be interested if any others from the northeast are flying to the gathering and on wht day are they leaving for the flyin. Its a 1000 mile trip for me and it would be great to have some company. Kip ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Rides for the Gathering From: "Richard McCall" Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:18:31 -0500 X-Message-Number: 23 I have a friend, Bob Stone, who would like a ride to the gathering from Kileen, TX. Anybody going from here? I'll be there, But I have to drive to Aberdeen, MD on the 17th and then drive in over the weekend (Friday night). Rich McCall ----- Original Message ----- From: To: KR-net users group Sent: Monday, August 30, 1999 8:29 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Rides for the Gathering > I am planing to fly my KR to the flyin this year providing that the weather > here in the northeast doesn't defeat me. I also will be happy to give rides > and i agree with jim that some form of ride list should be made to let the > builders that are nearing their first flights get the first rides. Also i > would be interested if any others from the northeast are flying to the > gathering and on wht day are they leaving for the flyin. Its a 1000 mile trip > for me and it would be great to have some company. Kip > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: planecraft@earthlink.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: posting a message From: John Aberasturi Date: 30 Aug 99 22:22:35 PDT X-Message-Number: 24 Ross, I think that I figured it out...haven't tried yet though. Thanks, John ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Rides for the Gathering From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 07:34:46 EDT X-Message-Number: 25 In a message dated 8/30/99 8:52:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jfaughn@mvp.net writes: << I was wondering if some kind of priority system could be devised that placed people who are nearing completion at the first of the line for rides. >> "Speak and ye shall be heard". The word has definitely reached the ears of the masses (me). Good point, consider it done. Dana Overall 1999 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Plaster of Paris mold From: "Tom Andersen" Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 07:53:02 -0400 X-Message-Number: 26 Hi Netters. I made a plaster of paris mold off a plug covered in teflon tape, and the mold came out ok, a little rough in some spots, but nothing I can't sand and fill on the layup. I have a question though, what can I put on the plaster so the glass layup doesn't stick to it? I'm thinking that mold release will soak into the plaster. Also, I had to use 10lbs of plaster, about how long should I wait for it to cure before the layup? Thanks in advance. The mold is for my KR-2S model's cowling. The first cowling I made was pretty, but not strong enough to take the vibration. You can see my 1/4 scale KR-2S model at http://www.t-three.com/200MPH/quarter.htm . -Tom Andersen Orlando FL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Plaster of Paris mold From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 07:35:39 -0500 X-Message-Number: 27 Tom, Try sealing it with varnish and then wax it thoroughly with a good paste wax. Ed Janssen >can't sand and fill on the layup. I have a question though, what can I put >on the plaster so the glass layup doesn't stick to it? I'm thinking that >mold release will soak into the plaster>-Tom Andersen >Orlando FL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Rides for the Gathering From: Tom_Livingston@Pass-Seymour.com Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:50:14 -0400 X-Message-Number: 28 In all honesty, the GATHERING is a long way from my home in central NY state, but I am considering trying to attend due to the conversation concerning rides !!! My plane received it's airworthiness cert. last summer. I had a problem with my medical until December, but now all is O.K., I have spent this summer getting current and attempting to get competent to test fly my plane. I plan to perform the FIRST FLIGHT this fall, as soon as I feel competent in the plane. The opportunity to get some strick time in a KR2 would make a trip to the GATHERING well worth while. I don't have any room reservations, but as soon as I can firm up a plan to attend, I will do so. Anyone flying over Cortland, N.Y. on the way to the GATHERING !!!!! Oh, ya, I mean with an empty seat ....I would be THRILLED to share in the expenses of the trip for a ride. Since I am dreaming, could it be in a KR2 as well. The cross-country experience in a KR2 would be invaluable. I am prepared to make it financially worth your while. I hope to see some of you there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Plaster of Paris mold From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:53:28 -0400 X-Message-Number: 29 At 07:53 AM 08/31/1999 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Netters. I made a plaster of paris mold off a plug covered in teflon >tape, and the mold came out ok, a little rough in some spots, but nothing I >can't sand and fill on the layup. I have a question though, what can I put >on the plaster so the glass layup doesn't stick to it? I'm thinking that >mold release will soak into the plaster. Also, I had to use 10lbs of >plaster, about how long should I wait for it to cure before the layup? >Thanks in advance. The mold is for my KR-2S model's cowling. The first >cowling I made was pretty, but not strong enough to take the vibration. You >can see my 1/4 scale KR-2S model at >http://www.t-three.com/200MPH/quarter.htm . >-Tom Andersen >Orlando FL Hi Tom, Is this a female mold? I would assume so. Actually, it doesn't matter if the mold is an "innie" or an "outie", this should work just fine either way. Plaster of paris can be a pain to get smooth. It seems impossible to get all the air bubbles out. Anyway, you will need to get it as smooth as possible, before sealing it. Since PoP cures by hydration, there will be a considerable amount of free water in it for several days. If I were doing it, I would let it set in a warm dry place for a week, then seal it with shellac. Since shellac is cut with alcohol, it is less likely to be affected by any residual water in the plaster. You can buy 3lb. cut shellac at most hdwr. stores and home centers. I would apply at least 2 coats of shellac, cut 50/50 with denatured alcohol, sanding lightly after the 2nd. coat. Then, 2 or 3 coats of full strength shellac, sanding between coats. The neat thing about shellac is that, each additional coat will soften and combine with the previous coat. This makes it easy to fix runs, streaks and other defects. When you get the finish you like, then you can wax it and apply the necessary coats of poly vinyl alcohol mold release. Good luck, WD --------------------------------------------------------- Wayne DeLisle Sr. Charlotte, North Carolina USA mailto:dodger@accessnode.net http://accessnode.net/~dodger --------------------------------------------------------- Project Viking "Daring to venture forward from the Dark Ages" online FAQ/manual at http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Plaster of Paris mold From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 07:54:14 -0500 X-Message-Number: 30 Tom, What a great looking model!! I read a good article in the October 1999 Custom Planes mag (this particular issue has a lot of great stuff in it) about making streamlined fairings and glass cowlings using a "heat-moulding" process. In the article they briefly descxribed forming streamlined fairings out of ABS plastic in a vacuum box. They mentioned that hobby stores are a good place to get books on the process. Being a modeler, you might have had some experience with this and might be able to shed some light on the process for us netters. Ed Janssen >Hi Netters. I made a plaster of paris mold off a plug covered in teflon >-Tom Andersen >Orlando FL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Rides for the Gathering From: "Edwin Blocher" Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:56:03 -0500 X-Message-Number: 31 I don't quite agree with this idea. There are a lot of us that are still years away from our first flight that really look forward to a ride at the gathering. Don't limit it to only the ones nearing first flight! A ride now and then keeps some of us going. Ed Blocher -----Original Message----- From: Jim Faughn To: KR-net users group Date: Monday, August 30, 1999 7:52 PM Subject: [kr-net] Rides for the Gathering >I am getting excited about the gathering and giving lots of rides this >year. I wanted to throw an idea out and see what the people on the net >thought about it. Last year and some times in years before, people who >really needed a ride didn't get it. Without setting up a system that >would put us in a great deal of liability problems, I was wondering if >some kind of priority system could be devised that placed people who are >nearing completion at the first of the line for rides. Last year Marti >told me that after he landed a guy told him that this was his second >ride and he hadn't even bought the plans for a KR yet. I feel that the >rides we give are more for first flight safety than to sell plans. I may >be in left field but I feel a great responsibility to give people who >are about to fly their planes first shot and even a second shot at a >ride before people who aren't even in our community yet. > >Yes, I did get the wheel pants painted and now its back to flying only. > >-- >Jim Faughn N8931JF >St. Louis, MO >mailto:jfaughn@mvp.net >(314) 652-7659 or Cell (314) 346-4038 > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: ed_blocher@email.msn.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Rides for the Gathering From: "w.g. kirkland" Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:34:33 -0400 X-Message-Number: 32 Ed: I appreciate your problem with too many people wanting rides. How you allocate a scarce resource is always a concern and is strictly your own decision but consider the following. I'm about 1/3 built and am coming to the gathering primarily to get a ride and see what others are doing. I wish I had been able to get a ride before starting my project but there aren,t many KR's flying in this area. Sometimes a ride is all thats needed to get a neophte started. Tell me now if a good ride isn't available and someone else can have my room. W.G. KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ---------- > From: Edwin Blocher > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Re: Rides for the Gathering > Date: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 9:56 AM > > I don't quite agree with this idea. There are a lot of us that are still > years away from our first flight that really look forward to a ride at the > gathering. Don't limit it to only the ones nearing first flight! A ride now > and then keeps some of us going. > Ed Blocher > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Faughn > To: KR-net users group > Date: Monday, August 30, 1999 7:52 PM > Subject: [kr-net] Rides for the Gathering > > > >I am getting excited about the gathering and giving lots of rides this > >year. I wanted to throw an idea out and see what the people on the net > >thought about it. Last year and some times in years before, people who > >really needed a ride didn't get it. Without setting up a system that > >would put us in a great deal of liability problems, I was wondering if > >some kind of priority system could be devised that placed people who are > >nearing completion at the first of the line for rides. Last year Marti > >told me that after he landed a guy told him that this was his second > >ride and he hadn't even bought the plans for a KR yet. I feel that the > >rides we give are more for first flight safety than to sell plans. I may > >be in left field but I feel a great responsibility to give people who > >are about to fly their planes first shot and even a second shot at a > >ride before people who aren't even in our community yet. > > > >Yes, I did get the wheel pants painted and now its back to flying only. > > > >-- > >Jim Faughn N8931JF > >St. Louis, MO > >mailto:jfaughn@mvp.net > >(314) 652-7659 or Cell (314) 346-4038 > > > > > > > >--- > >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: ed_blocher@email.msn.com > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > > > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: kirkland@vianet.on.ca > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Calgary - Nov 13th KR day From: Tom Raby GRE/ER PwrSysOp Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:33:07 -0500 X-Message-Number: 33 I had ordered the '97 KR Gathering video from RR. Jeanette called and said they were out of them, would the '98 be OK? Well, it came in the mail yesterday. Very nice lots of nice fly-by's. Thanks to all you successful builders for the inspiration. Thanks for keeping the construction and appearance standasrds high. It really gives me something to aim for. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Rick Hubka [mailto:rick@hubka.com] Sent: Monday, August 30, 1999 6:35 PM To: KR-net users group Cc: Tim; Gene Lukan; Allan Horne; Adrian Cartera; Henning Mortensen; Rick R Hubka; Alastair Hawkins Subject: [kr-net] Calgary - Nov 13th KR day Hi KRNetters A few of us KR builders up in Western Canada (who can't make it to this years gathering. I'm going next year!) are planning a 1 day KR builders day in Calgary on November 13. Some of us have never met another KR builder. Hell... I've never seen a live (touchy feely) KR past the boat stage. Henning Mortensen (Regina, Saskatchewan henning_work@hotmail.com ) and myself (Rick Hubka Calgary, Alberta rick@hubka.com ) have talked about getting together since our first emails back in March of this year. So we are inviting any KR builder who: - lives in Western Canada - also any builder who might be in the Calgary vicinity traveling at that time. - also any KR builder anywhere who'd travel the distance to meet us for a 10 hour KR day. Place: 65 Butler Crescent NW Calgary, Alberta, Canada H: (403) 284-5126 Time: Saturday November 13th, 1999 10am to 8pm Most of the time will be in my garage ( 32' X 24' heated with a bar fridge) with my KR boat and a dozen chairs! Henning and I have come up with a tentative agenda which is majorly flexible. Agenda 10:00 am - Arrive and do the hi/hello thing - Hot Wire a couple of 1 Ft sample wings ( I just got the $27.00 Hot Wire Kit from A.S.) 1 hour - Apply some filler to a dent in one. Drink beer & chat while filler dries 12:00 BBQ burgers & dogs and more beer. 13:00 - Sand the filler & foam ( may need a blow dryer to dry it) - Apply a layer of fiberglass to one mini wing - 1 hour - Apply a layer of Carbon or Kevlar fiber to the other- 1 hour 15:00 - Open discussion about the new airfoil and check out the WAF's & new airfoil templates from... Opps...Can't say it's not Friday. - Drink more beer and check out the new Dragon Fly Canopy. - Drink more beer and send a group message to KR-Net telling the boys what we're up to. - Drink more beer & talk motors, wings, composites, instruments, control hardware, wood, etc....... 18:00 - Walk ( because we've had too much beer) to one of a few nice restaurants within 10 min's walk. - Have a nice dinner... more KR talk... more beer... 20:00 - Take a taxi/cab to a hotel if you've had too much beer or I can accommodate 2 guests in my house. We're hoping to attract about 8 to 12 builders for our KR day. requirements - BYOB and buy your own dinner at the restaurant. I'll have a plentifull supply of free ( dot 5% beer). That's my building beer!! If you'd like to come or want more info please email me "privately"... (NOT KRNET). I'll post this message again about once every 2 weeks with an update and try not to use up too much bandwidth and mailbox space. Rick Hubka Email: rick@hubka.com Web Site: www.hubka.com *** Developing an allergy to gussets... Calgary, Alberta, Canada --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: traby@grenergy.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Exaust stacks, Type 4 From: "R.W. Moore" Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:53:21 -0400 X-Message-Number: 34 HELP! HELP! I TRYED TO START MY 1835 ENGINE YESTERDAY I GOT A LOT OF OIL OUT THE EXAUST PIPE ON THE TURBO CHARGER. THE TURBO IS INSTALLED AS PER DAN DEAHL STORY ON THE NEWSLETTER A FEW YEARS AGO. I TRYED TO START THE ENGINE A WHILE BACK AND IT DID THE SAME. I THOUGHT IT WAS THE SEALS IN THE TURBO I SENT THE TURBO TO TURBO CITY IN CALIF. TO HAVE IT OVERHAULED ALMOST $500.00. DOES ANY ONE HAVE A BARGAN ON A TWIN PORT 8 PLUG HOLES HEADS AND THE EXAUSE STACKS. I MAY BE IN THE MARKET FOR THESE ITEMS. R. W. MOORE N115RM --- Original Message ----- From: Ross Youngblood To: KR-net users group Sent: Monday, August 30, 1999 1:39 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Exaust stacks, Type 4 > I had my exhaust stack ceramic coated to keep my engine cooler. > I'll post later once I know if it works. (I havent run up the > engine since the stack came back from the thermal coat folks.) > It's a plasma coating that has a lifetime warranty. It's supposed > to keep the pipes at about '80 degrees or so, and each degree > of heat you keep in the exhaust gas is supposed to give you > a bit more power. (It's minimal 1-3% more power). > > - Ross > Laheze@aol.com wrote: > > > > The KR2 that I have been repairing went down on takeoff because of vaporlock. > > Joe at RevMaster told me that it was important on KR2's to insulate the > > gascolator > > and that Ken Rand had vaporlock on the original and had discovered that he > > needed > > to insulate it, so this one will definitely be insulated. > > > > Larry Howell > > > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rwmoore@alltel.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Plaster of Paris mold From: Tom Raby GRE/ER PwrSysOp Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:11:08 -0500 X-Message-Number: 35 Maybe try paste wax like that used for funriture, wood floors, etc. I made a mold out of wood for a different project and applied paste wax on the wood, thinking mold release would just soak in. The layup came out fine. Haven't made anything out of plaster though. Try a sample first. Tom Raby Elk River, MN -----Original Message----- From: Tom Andersen [mailto:tomkr2s@t-three.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 6:53 AM To: KR-net users group Subject: [kr-net] Plaster of Paris mold Hi Netters. I made a plaster of paris mold off a plug covered in teflon tape, and the mold came out ok, a little rough in some spots, but nothing I can't sand and fill on the layup. I have a question though, what can I put on the plaster so the glass layup doesn't stick to it? I'm thinking that mold release will soak into the plaster. Also, I had to use 10lbs of plaster, about how long should I wait for it to cure before the layup? Thanks in advance. The mold is for my KR-2S model's cowling. The first cowling I made was pretty, but not strong enough to take the vibration. You can see my 1/4 scale KR-2S model at http://www.t-three.com/200MPH/quarter.htm . -Tom Andersen Orlando FL --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: traby@grenergy.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Rides for the Gathering From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:38:52 EDT X-Message-Number: 36 In a message dated 8/31/99 9:55:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ed_blocher@email.msn.com writes: << I don't quite agree with this idea. There are a lot of us that are still years away from our first flight that really look forward to a ride at the gathering. Don't limit it to only the ones nearing first flight! >> Guys, in no way would I even consider "limiting" the rides to only those who are nearing their first flight. I don't think assurring a ride to someone who is close to flying is too much to ask. It is unimaginable just how many people get rides. There will be enough to go around. If you want a ride, let me know, I'll get you one. I'll handle it. Let's not have a discussion on the KRnet about this, e-mail me privately with any concerns you have, but rest assured if you want a ride I feel certain you will get one. On another note, I've got to ask the KRnet for some help here. If you are coming to the gathering and have a tarp with poles or any kind of awning please find some room and stick in with your luggage. The "circus" tent was too cost prohibitive, we are going to need a "tent city" so please if you have one, stick your name on it with some tape and bring it. Tell you what, I'll swap a ride with someone for each one brought. I really mean this guys, I need for anyone who has one to bring it if at all possible. You will really be helping out. Dana Overall 1999 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Plaster of Paris mold From: Donald Reid Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:38:31 -0400 X-Message-Number: 37 Tom Andersen wrote: > > Hi Netters. I made a plaster of paris mold off a plug covered in teflon > tape, and the mold came out ok, a little rough in some spots, but nothing I > can't sand and fill on the layup. I have a question though, what can I put > on the plaster so the glass layup doesn't stick to it? (Snip) I did several molds from plaster and/or dry wall mud. As a next-to-last step, I painted them with automotive sandable primer. This gives a very smooth finish, almost like Smoothprime. Then I put on a coat of poly vynal alchohol. They all worked fairly well. -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Avionics From: "Steven & Anita Oliver" Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:45:17 -0600 X-Message-Number: 38 I'm an avionics tech (and A&P), and the company I work for, sells Used & New Avionics plus insturments. If any body is interested I could see about getting some price quotes, we have Boxes of old Auto pilots in the storage area, so feel free to ask. Steve Oliver ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Plaster of Paris mold From: tom Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:25:09 -0400 X-Message-Number: 39 Tom Andersen wrote: > > Hi Netters. I made a plaster of paris mold off a plug covered in teflon > tape, and the mold came out ok, a little rough in some spots, but nothing I > can't sand and fill on the layup. I have a question though, what can I put > on the plaster so the glass layup doesn't stick to it? I'm thinking that > mold release will soak into the plaster. Also, I had to use 10lbs of > plaster, about how long should I wait for it to cure before the layup? > Thanks in advance. The mold is for my KR-2S model's cowling. The first > cowling I made was pretty, but not strong enough to take the vibration. You > can see my 1/4 scale KR-2S model at > http://www.t-three.com/200MPH/quarter.htm . > -Tom Andersen > Orlando FL > > Tom, Wax is unreliable, and you will spend a lot of time on it. Mold release agent works pretty well, but is a PIA. The simplest, most effective way to do it is to use packing tape. Clear or brown- does not matter. I am talking about the very thin stuff. Resin will not stick to it. Duct tape will work also, but is thicker. Packing tape is so thin that it will not leave any marks. Tom Crawford Gainesville, FL N262TC Mailto:toys@atlantic.net http://www.tomshardwoodtoys.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Plaster of Paris mold/KR-2S model trimming From: "Tom Andersen" Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:04:44 -0400 X-Message-Number: 40 Thanks Ed! Since those pics I changed engines to an OS .91FX. I shaved 12ounces off, and practically doubled the power output. It really moves out nicely, with power to loop from straight and level. I found that the elevator had to be trimmed down 1/8" to fly level, and when I pull the power off it requires a lot of back pressure to maintain a glide, indicating a thrust line problem. It was at 0deg and so I've added 2degrees down thrust in the engine mount, another reason for cowl #2. I have 1 deg incidence and 1 deg washout, the stab is at 0deg and the CG is at 26% of chord. The stall characteristics are just fine, straight ahead and recovering quickly. It takes very little elevator input to do even 90deg steep turns, I'm hoping the downthrust will neutralize the effects of power changes and make it less sensitive to up elev movement. When at low speed and I put the power on, like in a go-around, the nose dives, and I'm thinking this is due to the 1/8" down elevator trim being blasted before the plane comes up to speed. Note that the entire amount of up elevator throw is only 1/2". The vacuum molding process is very quick to form parts, but the problem I've found is that the plastic does not resist vibration nor does it age very well. Take a look at any Cessna's wingtips and you'll see cracks around the screws. You might get some quick female molds this way though, without the mess of PoP. Then from the ABS part's interior you could form a fiberglass part, with reinforcements included in the layup where necessary. ABS seems a lot heavier for the same strength as fiberglass. -----Original Message----- From: Ed Janssen To: KR-net users group Date: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 9:09 AM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Plaster of Paris mold >Tom, > >What a great looking model!! > >I read a good article in the October 1999 Custom Planes mag (this particular >issue has a lot of great stuff in it) about making streamlined fairings and >glass cowlings using a "heat-moulding" process. In the article they briefly >descxribed forming streamlined fairings out of ABS plastic in a vacuum box. >They mentioned that hobby stores are a good place to get books on the >process. Being a modeler, you might have had some experience with this and >might be able to shed some light on the process for us netters. > >Ed Janssen > > > >>Hi Netters. I made a plaster of paris mold off a plug covered in teflon >>-Tom Andersen >>Orlando FL > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: tomkr2s@t-three.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Rides for the Gathering From: Mike Mims Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:47:42 -0700 X-Message-Number: 41 Jim Faughn wrote: > > I am getting excited about the gathering and giving lots of rides this > year. I wanted to throw an idea out and see what the people on the net > thought about it. >>>> Jim I think its great that you are motivated about giving rides this year. Its really great that guys like you show up at the gatherings and give ride after ride after ride and never once complain (publicly) about not getting any gas money or what have you. What I find really interesting is that a well known KR builder/flyer (a very nice one at that) post an idea to the KRnet (one that I think is a great one by the way) and the next thing you know you got 10 different people trying to dictate who and how your gonna give rides too! Who the heck do you whinny people think you are? If Jim thinks it important to give soon to be flyers preference over you non-plans buying want-a-be's then that's that! DEAL WITH IT! Jim I think your idea is a great one and like you said in your post, your not giving rides to try and sell plans you are trying like heck to help fellow BUILDERS out with the flight characteristics of the KR series of aircraft. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: ceramic coated (Re: Exaust stacks, Type 4) From: ECLarsen81@aol.com Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:54:34 EDT X-Message-Number: 42 Ross, What did it run to get your pipes coated? Where did you have it done? Were your pipes 4 into 2, 4 into 1, or stubs Bobby? same Q's? thanks, Ed Larsen mailto:ECLarsen81@aol.com Ypsi, MI http://members.xoom.com/EdLarsen In a message dated 99-08-30 14:03:19 EDT, you write: << I had my exhaust stack ceramic coated to keep my engine cooler. I'll post later once I know if it works. (I havent run up the engine since the stack came back from the thermal coat folks.) It's a plasma coating that has a lifetime warranty. It's supposed to keep the pipes at about '80 degrees or so, and each degree of heat you keep in the exhaust gas is supposed to give you a bit more power. (It's minimal 1-3% more power). - Ross >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Plaster of Paris mold From: Mike Mims Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:00:24 -0700 X-Message-Number: 43 Tom Andersen wrote: > > Hi Netters. I made a plaster of paris mold off a plug covered in teflon > tape, and the mold came out ok, a little rough in some spots, but nothing I > can't sand and fill on the layup. I have a question though, what can I put > on the plaster so the glass layup doesn't stick to it? >>> I painted mine with a gloss latex paint and then used mold release on it. Worked fine. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Exaust stacks, Type 4 From: Mike Mims Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:01:34 -0700 X-Message-Number: 44 "R.W. Moore" wrote: > > HELP! HELP! I TRYED TO START MY 1835 ENGINE YESTERDAY I GOT A LOT OF OIL > OUT THE EXAUST PIPE ON THE TURBO CHARGER. If that is a Rajay turbo then either your oil seal is bad or you return line to the oil sump is not adequate. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Avionics From: HAshraf@aol.com Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:18:14 EDT X-Message-Number: 45 In a message dated 99-08-31 22:08:53 EDT, you write: << If any body is interested I could see about getting some price quotes, >> There are some people, including me, looking for 2.5" gyros. I would want an electric one. Haris ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: revmaster engine From: "cleo greenhaw" Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:42:48 X-Message-Number: 46 Thanks to all the guys that helped me with the location and spacer suggestions. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: MARK GARBEZ AT MSGTLG@NETINS.NET From: "cleo greenhaw" Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:54:17 X-Message-Number: 47 Mark I have just started to work on the project that I got from you. I am installing the revemaster engine. Thank you for all your help and efforts in loading it on the trailer. I am going to miss the gathering this year, due other travel. I hope they go back to mid-country next year. The Loehle P-51 is getting close to completion. Will stay in touch. Hope you are enjoying your KR and the welder. Thanks Cleo cleo@fullnet.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: New Pictures From: Mike Mims Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 22:20:36 -0700 X-Message-Number: 48 I uploaded some pictures for Haris @ http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/harris.html Check them out if you are bored! :o) -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com