From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Saturday, September 11, 1999 12:25 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: September 10, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Friday, September 10, 1999. 1. Re: Hand actuated brakes 2. Mark Jones progress report 3. VW lovers check this out. 4. Airplanes VS Women 5. 3 View drawing 6. Re: Gathering awards 7. Re: Spins With A KR 8. Welcome New Members (We are at 446 total members) 9. KR Admin headed to Alantic City 10. Carb Heat Box for Ellison 11. Re: Hand actuated brakes 12. test 13. Re: Hand actuated brakes 14. Re: flying characteristics 15. Re: Carb Heat Box for Ellison 16. Prop extension 17. Re: Gathering awards 18. Re: Hand actuated brakes 19. Post-cure artical by Oscar 20. Re: flying characteristics 21. Re: 3 View drawing 22. SAA 23. Re: Carb Heat Box for Ellison 24. D-Fly Canopy update 25. Boat Stage KR-Kart (Secret Link)/ Gathering'98 photos 26. Re: [kr-net]Urethane vs Others 27. Re: Hand actuated brakes 28. Re: Carb Heat Box for Ellison 29. Re: Post-cure artical by Oscar 30. Re: VW lovers check this out. 31. Re: Airplanes VS Women 32. Re: SAA 33. Re: SAA 34. Re: flying characteristics 35. Re: flying characteristics ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Hand actuated brakes From: GARYKR2@cs.com Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:27:58 EDT X-Message-Number: 1 At the risk of catching flak from some out there, make the brakes foot operated. Your hands are busy still flying 'till your off the runway. The last thing you should be doing is looking and/or feeling for brake handles. If you are always landing on 5000 ft. strips, fine. But the day will come when you will want to use a 2000 ft. field, and find your hands are now more than full. I normally have less than 1700 ft. of hard surface to land on ( wind direction/ displaced threshold ), both hands and feet are busy 'till I'm stopped. Throw in a cross wind yet, and your working . That's my 2 cents worth, so lets hear from the other side. Gary Hinkle Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Mark Jones progress report From: GARYKR2@cs.com Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:43:22 EDT X-Message-Number: 2 Glad to hear your making headway. But the best news you gave, was that your 2yr old is helping. When it's all done, you will be even prouder of your bird, because your kid is also part of it. This is what it's all about. My hat's off to you. Gary Hinkle Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: VW lovers check this out. From: Mike Mims Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 18:43:28 -0700 X-Message-Number: 3 Go here and check out this crank! http://www.altimizer.com/specs.html -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Building New Gear Legs http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Airplanes VS Women From: Mike Mims Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 19:16:22 -0700 X-Message-Number: 4 This is supposed to post on anything goes Friday, and right now its Friday in GB! :o) zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz An airplane will kill you quick....a woman takes her time. Airplanes like to do it inverted. Airplanes can be turned on by a flick of a switch. An airplane does not get mad if you 'touch and go' An airplane does nor object to a preflight inspection. Airplanes come with manuals. Airplanes have strict weight and balance limits. You can fly an aeroplane any time of the month. Airplanes don't have parents. Airplanes don't whine unless something is really wrong. Airplanes don't care about how many other airplanes you have flown. When flying, you and your aeroplane both arrive at the same time. Airplanes don't mind if you look at other airplanes, or if you buy airplane magazines. If your airplane is too loose, you can tighten it. It's always OK to use tie downs on your airplane. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Building New Gear Legs http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 3 View drawing From: Mike Mims Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 20:37:15 -0700 X-Message-Number: 5 Hey how about one of you CAD gurus whip up a 1/4 scale 3 view drawing of the type 1 VW? Doesn't have to be exact, just something a guy could use for 1/4 drawings and planning for space. A drawing of a VW ready to bolt to the plane would be nice (prop flange, accessory case, etc. installed). -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Building New Gear Legs http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Gathering awards From: Mark Jones Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 21:14:40 -0500 X-Message-Number: 6 Richard Parker wrote: > Mike Mims should definately win some type of award for the shorts he is > wearing on Haris's elevator construction page. Pretty cool shorts Mike!! Did anyone notice on Haris' opening paragraph it states he started the project Aug '99? Is this a typo or has Haris been working around the clock. Some good photos Haris. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Waukesha, WI flykr2s@execpc.com http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Spins With A KR From: Michael Taglieri Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:25:18 -0400 X-Message-Number: 7 I have no time in KR's but I do have the old newsletters, and people used to spin KR-2's all the time. Spinning one solo shouldn't be a problem if it was built right. But I've never read a report of people spinning them near the aft CG, so dual could give you problems. Mike Taglieri > I am looking for info on how a KR acts in a spin. I have done all of >the normal manouvers except for spins. As short as the fuselage is, I'm a >little spooked about it going into a flat spin. > I have spun most of the planes I've flown over the years, that's so I >had a better feel for the limits. > Any comments or ideas would be helpful. Since some of you have a bit of >time in these birds. Thanks. ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Welcome New Members (We are at 446 total members) From: Ross Youngblood Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:32:22 -0700 X-Message-Number: 8 Total KR-net membership is at 446 members! Quite a lot from the original 30+ three or so years ago. I finally got around to adding some more new KR-net members tonight. There is a bad link on the "Sign-Up" page that sends me the old majordomo emails for members to sign up. I thought I had fixed this a LONG time ago, but checking sign up statistics it appears that many new members are still not able to get hooked up via the Lyris site, and depend on the old link. (I need to fix this). For the new members, I travel almost every week on business, this hampers KR construction progress, and KR-net admin stuff... if its not automated, it probably will take long to get done. At any rate tonight I drank coffee in the Portland Or airport waiting for the 8:45PM flight to Corvallis, so I here I am at 12:15AM, and still going strong.... I checked tonight to see if we have any email bills for the KR-net account. So far, nothing, I need to check the teleport web site to see if I can get us some advance information. Thanks to everyone who has sent checks so far, I haven't had a chance to deposit them yet, but every bit helps to keep KR-net up and running. Also, I see lots of email requests that indicate people think krnet.org is the place to order plans and info packs... sorry, we are not affiliated with Rand Robinson. Jeanette Rand doesn't even have email yet. If she did, I would be happy to forward the requests to her via email. She doesn't even take MasterCard/Visa. This might seem odd to many folks, until you realize that the Kit airplane business is basicly a cottage industry. Only the big fish like Lancair can afford to staff up to a level that looks like K-mart or amazon.com. The rest is sort of a hobby activity, kinda like KR-net. There are a lot of folks who keep KR-net going, I am just a small part of the success of KR-net. The people who wade through all the ME-to emails to answer real questions, and post KR related stuff are the real heros. You know who you are. For now we are a free donation supported ($10-20/yr) list. This seems to be working OK, but as we are now twice as big as we used to be, it is going to be interesting to see if we can keep our KR community going. I'd recommend that to folks who get too much mail, but want to remain connected, you can turn off email to your account but still remain a KR-net member. That way if somthing important comes up KR-related we can reach you. We currently don't sell lists of names, and I believe that the email list is restricted to those of us who are "admins" of the list. -- Regards Ross kr-net admin krnet@krnet.org (checked monthly) rossy@teleport.com (checked frequently) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KR Admin headed to Alantic City From: Ross Youngblood Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:34:53 -0700 X-Message-Number: 9 I found out yesterday that I will be headed to Alantic City for the International Test Conference (work related). This means I may be able to visit any KR folks out that way. My current travel has me out that way from 9/25 - 10/1. I might be able to extend the trip a day or so... at the moment I don't know if I will have transportation or not. I think I will be flying into Philly, but don't have that stuff yet either. -- Regards Ross ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Carb Heat Box for Ellison From: Ross Youngblood Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:38:35 -0700 X-Message-Number: 10 I am on rev 3 of my carb heat box for my EFS2 Ellison carb. I'm not happy with what I have been able to fabricate so far, and seeing that I'm always out on the road, I'm wondering if anyone would be interested in giving me a hand fabing one of these up for me. I can give you my desired specifications, EFS-2 bolt hole pattern, flange size for ducting, and approx length. If you are interested in helping me out, drop me an email off net to mailto:rossy@teleport.com It's clear from what I have done so far, that I might have to build one or two more before I have somthing that looks like it belongs on an airplane. -- Regards Ross ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Hand actuated brakes From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:46:40 -0700 X-Message-Number: 11 On Thu, 9 Sep 1999 05:47:38 -0500 "John Weikel" writes: > In looking at the various VW magazines, I came across a hand actuated brake > device that allows differential braking. Looks like a dual master cylinder > with two hand levers. Would this be usable for a centrally located hand > brake reachable from both seats? $90 or so is the listed price.... Any > opinions? > John W FWIW, a friend of mine had these mounted in his Hummelbird as a way to save weight. In a crosswind it was a bit too much to try to do hand brakes while doing everything else. He ended up creaming a couple of runway lights and substantially damaging his airplane. When he repaired it, he installed hydralic heel brakes and has been happy with them for the last 600 or so hours. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213w construction and first flight at http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: test From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:18:20 EDT X-Message-Number: 12 test ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Hand actuated brakes From: "John Weikel" Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 06:51:11 -0500 X-Message-Number: 13 Reason enough to write that off as another of my not too good ideas. Thanks, John W -----Original Message----- From: jscott.pilot@juno.com To: KR-net users group Date: Thursday, September 09, 1999 10:46 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Hand actuated brakes > > >On Thu, 9 Sep 1999 05:47:38 -0500 "John Weikel" >writes: >> In looking at the various VW magazines, I came across a hand actuated >brake >> device that allows differential braking. Looks like a dual master >cylinder >> with two hand levers. Would this be usable for a centrally located >hand >> brake reachable from both seats? $90 or so is the listed price.... >Any >> opinions? >> John W > >FWIW, a friend of mine had these mounted in his Hummelbird as a way to >save weight. In a crosswind it was a bit too much to try to do hand >brakes while doing everything else. He ended up creaming a couple of >runway lights and substantially damaging his airplane. When he repaired >it, he installed hydralic heel brakes and has been happy with them for >the last 600 or so hours. > >Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM >mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com >See N1213w construction and first flight at >http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jandd@maverickbbs.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: flying characteristics From: Michael Clancy Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:33:08 -0400 X-Message-Number: 14 Gary : I am considering buying & building a KR2 . I was wondering if you can comment on the handleing of the plane. I was told they are very unstable in pitch and difficult to land. Any thoughts?? Mike Clancy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Carb Heat Box for Ellison From: RFG842@aol.com Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:01:35 EDT X-Message-Number: 15 Ross Will be ordering an Ellison for my Type 4 shortly. My son has access to a bending brake so will be starting a cabin heat box, carb heat box and battery box soon. Would like to work with you on design. Just as easy to bend up 2 as 1. Bob ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Prop extension From: RFG842@aol.com Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:07:05 EDT X-Message-Number: 16 Anyone have any experience with a prop extension on a Type 4? How long can it be? Any vibration problems? Using a Force 1 hub. Seems like a good way to stretch the cowling a little to improve the lines. Tnks, Bob ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Gathering awards From: HAshraf@aol.com Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:54:53 EDT X-Message-Number: 17 In a message dated 99-09-10 06:13:07 EDT, you write: << Did anyone notice on Haris' opening paragraph it states he started the project Aug '99? >> A Freudian slip, I am sure. Will correct it ASAP. Haris ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Hand actuated brakes From: Margi Armstrong Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:48:38 -0700 X-Message-Number: 18 dene collett wrote: > > John wrote: > > > In looking at the various VW magazines, I came across a hand actuated > brake > > device that allows differential braking. Looks like a dual master > cylinder > > with two hand levers. Would this be usable for a centrally located hand > Hi john > My friend`s KR-2 has twin brake levers for hand operation positioned on the > front face of the spar between his legs facing upward. I think they are back > brake cylinders from a motorcycle with front brake levers actuating them. > The left one is shorter than the right for comfortable differential braking > with the left hand while holding the stick with the right hand (also between > legs--dual stick). > I have made a number of flights with him and he seems to handle the setup > perfectly. I have a pic of them if you are interested, e-mail me direct if > you would like to see it. > Dene Collett > South Africa > denec@netactive.co.za > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: margiandrick@earthlink.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com I would be very interested in seeing a picture of this set-up thanks Rick Armstrong ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Post-cure artical by Oscar From: "Ronald R. Eason" Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:00:05 -0700 X-Message-Number: 19 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BEFB6A.E040C980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good info! This info supports that urethane foam is better to use for construction. Back in the 1960's in worked as a Research Lab Tech for Butler. They used urethane for their building panels. We tested other foams products and found they were not as good as urethane when it came to aging, dimension stability, thermal, structural properties and etc. We ran all kinds of tests and including structural tensile, torsion and shear, aging and sun exposure. New Urethane foam needs to age or needs post-curing like epoxy. About 120 F for 6 hours will do it. Most distributors have post-cured the foam by default. You can identify green unrethane foam because it sponge and rubbery relative to aged urethane. Ken Rand must have known this because he chose urethane. KRRon ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BEFB6A.E040C980 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; name="Ronald R. Eason Sr..vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Ronald R. Eason Sr..vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Eason Sr.;Ronald;R. FN:Ronald R. Eason Sr. ORG:J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd.;Engineering TITLE:C.E.O., President TEL;WORK;VOICE:816-468-4091 TEL;HOME;VOICE:816-468-4425 TEL;PAGER;VOICE:816-989-9692 TEL;WORK;FAX:816-468-5465 TEL;HOME;FAX:816-468-5465 ADR;WORK:;jrlkc@mindspring.com;7333 North = Brooklyn;Gladstone,;MO.;64118-2329;U.S.A. LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:jrlkc@mindspring.com=3D0D=3D0A7333= North Brooklyn=3D0D=3D0AGladstone,, MO. 64118-232=3D 9=3D0D=3D0AU.S.A. ADR;HOME:;;7333 N. Brooklyn;Gladstone,;MO.;64118-2329;U.S.A. LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:7333 N. = Brooklyn=3D0D=3D0AGladstone,, MO. 64118-2329=3D0D=3D0AU.S.A. URL: URL:http://jrl-engineering.com EMAIL;INTERNET:ron@jrl-engineering.com EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:jrlkc@mindspring.com REV:19990910T160005Z END:VCARD ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BEFB6A.E040C980-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: flying characteristics From: "Wolf Packs, Inc." Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 08:17:48 -0700 X-Message-Number: 20 --=====================_1914513==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi Mike, > I was wondering if you >can comment on the handleing of the plane. I was told they are very >unstable in pitch and difficult to land. Any thoughts?? I had 70 hrs. of total flight time and was easily able to fly my KR2 the first time up. I even made a fair landing. Get some time in a KR just before your first flight and you'll see it's not hard to fly. Since there were no KR's around to get me "current", I bummed a ride in a Glasair instead. The KR was the easier of the two for me to fly. Paul Martin --=====================_1914513==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Hi Mike,

 I was wondering if you
can comment on the handleing of the plane. I was told they are very
unstable in pitch and difficult to land. Any thoughts??


I had 70 hrs. of total flight time and was easily able to fly my KR2 the first time up.  I even made a fair landing.  Get some time in a KR just before your first flight and you'll see it's not hard to fly.  Since there were no KR's around to get me "current", I bummed a ride in a Glasair instead.  The KR was the easier of the two for me to fly.

Paul Martin --=====================_1914513==_.ALT-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: 3 View drawing From: "Wolf Packs, Inc." Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 08:34:01 -0700 X-Message-Number: 21 --=====================_2344041==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >Hey how about one of you CAD gurus whip up a 1/4 scale 3 view drawing of >the type 1 VW? Doesn't have to be exact, just something a guy could use >for 1/4 drawings and planning for space. A drawing of a VW ready to bolt >to the plane would be nice (prop flange, accessory case, etc. >installed). There is a great 2 side drawing in the Great Plains catalog that you may be able to enlarge to 1/4 scale on a good copy machine. Paul Martin --=====================_2344041==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Hey how about one of you CAD gurus whip up a 1/4 scale 3 view drawing of
the type 1 VW?  Doesn't have to be exact, just something a guy could use
for 1/4 drawings and planning for space. A drawing of a VW ready to bolt
to the plane would be nice (prop flange, accessory case, etc.
installed).

There is a great 2 side drawing in the Great Plains catalog that you may be able to enlarge to 1/4 scale on a good copy machine. 

 Paul Martin
--=====================_2344041==_.ALT-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: SAA From: "Edwin Blocher" Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:10:20 -0500 X-Message-Number: 22 Being Friday I'll mention The Sport Aviation Association Website again. www.sportaviation.org. They have a new webmaster and a better web page now. I got a box of spruce Wednesday and am really building now. Got a lot of gussets to go. I have visited Mark L. and after seeing his bird and looking at the new airfoil. I am changing the shape of my fuelage to fit the new wing. I'll have a few pictures at the gathering and want to hear some comments on it. Ed Blocher ed_blocher@msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Carb Heat Box for Ellison From: Ross Youngblood Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:05:01 -0700 X-Message-Number: 23 Bob, The manual for the EFS-2 has the bolt pattern for the carb flange. They even have a recommended design, which of course takes up too much room for me. However, I recently re-did my cowling. The trick is to keep the heated air from causing a disruption in the flow through the float. If you come in at 90 degrees with the heated air, they want the opening to be at least 2-1/2" from the face of the carb, this is to keep any turbulance from the throat opening. It's detailed in the manaul, but I can scan this stuff and email it to you. I had thought of putting a FRAM air filter downstream from BOTH heated and unheated air in the heat box, but perhaps it is best to have two alternate routes. I will take some .jpg photos of the stuff I have tried so you can take a peek at the kludges I have done to date. -- Regards Ross RFG842@aol.com wrote: > > Ross > > Will be ordering an Ellison for my Type 4 shortly. My son has access to a > bending brake so will be starting a cabin heat box, carb heat box and battery > box soon. > > Would like to work with you on design. Just as easy to bend up 2 as 1. > > Bob > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: D-Fly Canopy update From: "Dean Collette" Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:18:29 -0500 X-Message-Number: 24 Canopyheads, I talked with Mike Puhl of Slipstream today. Everything is being shipped from the factory today or Monday. He tells me that shipping is 3 - 4 days, so everybody should have their canopies by next Friday or the following Monday. You guys in Canada might have a bit longer to wait. Hopefully, this should go smooth, but you never know . . . If you don't see your canopy by Monday 9/20/99 give them a call at Slipstream (920) 787-5886 Dean Collette Milwaukee, Wisconsin mailto:drdean@execpc.com Web Page at http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/home.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Boat Stage KR-Kart (Secret Link)/ Gathering'98 photos From: Ross Youngblood Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:34:09 -0700 X-Message-Number: 25 Ok I just gave Dr Dean the rundown on KR-net history. After he gets done reading my 5 Mb email reply he might have a word or two to share at the Gathering about KR-net. In the process I dug up a couple of nifty links that I thought I would share. 1) KRKART -- Reprint of KRQuarterly Article http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/KRKART.html (Monte Millers KR-KART, Worked for ME too) 2) http://www.krnet.org/Perry98 All the PERRY98 Photographs I took last year for those hungry for KR Gathering fever. If anyone wants a CD-ROM with the Perry98 photos on it (.jpg) I will be happy to burn one for you if you send $10.00 to Perry 98 CDROM c/o Ross Youngblood 1109 NE Burke Pl Corvallis, OR 97330 (Make checks payable to Ross Youngblood) Proceeds will support KR-net, and possibly get us some KRnet logo decals (4" dia) made up for you to stick on your KR/toolbox etc. -- Regards Ross ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [kr-net]Urethane vs Others From: Ross Youngblood Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:37:15 -0700 X-Message-Number: 26 Ron, This is nifty information. Ken Rand used Styrofoam on the prototype KR, but Urethane on the kits. I have used both, and like shaping Urethane better. However you can't hot-wire Urethane, unless you like to breathe cyanide gas. Ronald R. Eason wrote: > > Good info! This info supports that urethane foam is better to use for > construction. > Back in the 1960's in worked as a Research Lab Tech for Butler. They used > urethane for their building panels. We tested other foams products and > found they were not as good as urethane when it came to aging, dimension > stability, thermal, structural properties and etc. We ran all kinds of > tests and including structural tensile, torsion and shear, aging and sun > exposure. New Urethane foam needs to age or needs post-curing like epoxy. > About 120 F for 6 hours will do it. Most distributors have post-cured the > foam by default. You can identify green unrethane foam because it sponge > and rubbery relative to aged urethane. > Ken Rand must have known this because he chose urethane. > > KRRon > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Ronald R. Eason Sr. > C.E.O., President > J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd. > Engineering > > Ronald R. Eason Sr. > C.E.O., President > J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd. > Engineering > jrlkc@mindspring.com Work Voice: 816-468-4091 > 7333 North Brooklyn Home Voice: 816-468-4425 > Gladstone, Voice Pager: 816-989-9692 > MO. Work Fax: 816-468-5465 > 64118-2329 Home Fax: 816-468-5465 > U.S.A. > Additional Information: > Version 2.1 > Last Name Eason Sr. > First Name Ronald > Additional NameR. > Label Work jrlkc@mindspring.com 7333 North Brooklyn Gladstone,, MO. 64118-232 U.S.A. > Label Home 7333 N. Brooklyn Gladstone,, MO. 64118-2329 U.S.A. > Revision 19990910T160005Z ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Hand actuated brakes From: Mike Mims Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:02:50 -0700 X-Message-Number: 27 John Weikel wrote: > > Reason enough to write that off as another of my not too good ideas. > Thanks, > John W HEY THAT WOULD BE A PLANS CHANGE! That's right the original plans called for hand operated brakes. Not that I would endorse such a thing but felt I had to point that out! :o) -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Building New Gear Legs http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Carb Heat Box for Ellison From: Mike Mims Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:05:52 -0700 X-Message-Number: 28 Ross Youngblood wrote: > > Bob, > > The manual for the EFS-2 has the bolt pattern for the carb flange. > They even have a recommended design, which of course takes up too > much room for me. However, I recently re-did my cowling. Hey if you guys want Haris or I can take a few pics of the Elisons (and air boxes) on the Dragonflies at our hanger. They both work exceptionally well. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Building New Gear Legs http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Post-cure artical by Oscar From: Mike Mims Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:08:28 -0700 X-Message-Number: 29 "Ronald R. Eason" wrote: > > Ken Rand must have known this because he chose urethane. > > KRRon Ken Rand used urethane because that's what they (he) used to make surfboards here in California. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Building New Gear Legs http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: VW lovers check this out. From: MARVIN MCCOY Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 06:39:10 -0700 X-Message-Number: 30 This engine looks pretty good. However 120 hp at 3000 rpm may be stretching it a bit. I like what they are doing with ceramics to keep the engine cool. Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field -------------------------- Mike Mims wrote: > > Go here and check out this crank! > > http://www.altimizer.com/specs.html > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Airplanes VS Women From: Theron A Proper Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:02:56 -0700 X-Message-Number: 31 To All; This is rather humorous, had a good laugh! The only thing I could add is the high cost of operation and maintenance on both. Experience talking! prope@juno.com ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: SAA From: "Rex T. Ellington" Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:04:20 -0500 X-Message-Number: 32 Edwin Blocher wrote: > > Being Friday I'll mention The Sport Aviation Association Website again. > www.sportaviation.org. They have a new webmaster and a better web page now. I wrote Paul P. about SAA because I was a member of SAA in the '60s and flew out of a private strip in North Houston called sport flyers field. I voiced my displeasure with the way Oshkosh has gone and wished for the old days. His form letter accompanying the June newsletter made the following points: "We have heard of the desire to go back to basics and grass roots. Many feel there should be more information on airplance building and that should be the purpose of the organization." For now, their primary source of communication will be their website, currently under development - www.sportaviation.org. BUT with the names involved, SAA will stay closely to EAA. I guess that was to be expected. Still this is probably be worth watching. Rex Ellington mailto:rtecg@telepath.com Norman OK ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: SAA From: Herb Gearheart Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:19:35 -0500 X-Message-Number: 33 --------------54E01BCB27428443751690A3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Kr crew What Paul and Tom are beginning to understand is that the internet is the future of magazine publishing and interest group advocacy. Every time I sit down at the computer and check the Kr site or the vw site or the sonex site , it is quite similar to leafing/reading a magazine. And I don't have to wait a month, nor pay a standard magazine subscription. This is the Grass Roots!!! Except for the Political clout of the EAA and the show, its all right here!! Herb "Rex T. Ellington" wrote: > Edwin Blocher wrote: > > > > Being Friday I'll mention The Sport Aviation Association Website again. > > www.sportaviation.org. They have a new webmaster and a better web page now. > > I wrote Paul P. about SAA because I was a member of SAA in the '60s and > flew out of a private strip in North Houston called sport flyers field. > I voiced my displeasure with the way Oshkosh has gone and wished for the > old days. > His form letter accompanying the June newsletter made the following > points: "We have heard of the desire to go back to basics and grass > roots. Many feel there should be more information on airplance > building and that should be the purpose of the organization." For now, > their primary source of communication will be their website, currently > under development - www.sportaviation.org. BUT with the names involved, > SAA will stay closely to EAA. I guess that was to be expected. > Still this is probably be worth watching. > > Rex Ellington > mailto:rtecg@telepath.com > Norman OK > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: herbgh@nctc.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com --------------54E01BCB27428443751690A3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Kr crew
        What Paul and Tom are beginning to understand is that the internet is the future of magazine publishing and interest group advocacy. Every time I sit down at the computer and check the Kr site or the vw site or the sonex site , it is quite similar to leafing/reading a magazine. And I don't have to wait a month, nor pay a standard magazine subscription. This is the Grass Roots!!! Except for the Political clout of the EAA and the show, its all right here!! Herb 

"Rex T. Ellington" wrote:

Edwin Blocher wrote:
>
> Being Friday I'll mention The Sport Aviation Association Website again.
> www.sportaviation.org. They have a new webmaster and a better web page now.

I wrote Paul P. about SAA because I was a member of SAA in the '60s and
flew out of a private strip in North Houston called sport flyers field.
I voiced my displeasure with the way Oshkosh has gone and wished for the
old days.
His form letter accompanying the June newsletter made the following
points: "We have heard of the desire to go back to basics and grass
roots. Many feel there should be more information on airplance
building and that should be the purpose of the organization." For now,
their primary source of communication will be their website, currently
under development - www.sportaviation.org. BUT with the names involved,
SAA will stay closely to EAA. I guess that was to be expected.
Still this is probably be worth watching.

Rex Ellington
mailto:rtecg@telepath.com
Norman OK

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--------------54E01BCB27428443751690A3-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: flying characteristics From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:42:07 -0700 X-Message-Number: 34 On Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:33:08 -0400 Michael Clancy writes: > Gary : I am considering buying & building a KR2 . I was wondering if you > can comment on the handleing of the plane. I was told they are very > unstable in pitch and difficult to land. Any thoughts?? Mike Clancy I would describe mine as light on elevator pressure. It'e easy to land, but without flaps of other drag inducing device, it requires a little planning on the approach. With the very low drag, it's very easy to come screaming down the approach and find yourself over the runway trying to bleed off enough speed to get it glued onto the ground before you find the other end of the runway. Of course that's up here above 7000 feet. At sea level, it's a pussycat. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213w construction and first flight at http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: flying characteristics From: Mike Mims Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:56:36 -0700 X-Message-Number: 35 jscott.pilot@juno.com wrote: > > Of course that's up here above 7000 feet. At sea level, it's a pussycat. > So what your saying is its a Mountain Lion at your altitude? :o) Hey you guys giving these pilot reports should include your flight experience. I think this would greatly help new and experienced pilots determine what this all means and how it applies to their own flight experience. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Building New Gear Legs http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com