From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Saturday, October 02, 1999 12:15 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: October 01, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Friday, October 01, 1999. 1. Re: KR-2 Kit 2. Gathering awards. 3. KRKosh 2000 4. Re: Strengths of wood SA has the best :) 5. Re: 'vair motor mounts 6. Re: Strengths of wood SA has the best :) 7. Re: Strengths of wood 8. Re: $5000 airplane 9. Re: COZY: Time to stir the pot! (fwd) 10. Re: Strengths of wood 11. KR-2 STILL FOR SALE (picture enclosed) 12. Re: Paul's KR 13. Re: Paul's KR 14. Corvair Motor Mounts 15. Corvair Motor Mounts 16. Re: Hi Speed Taxi Testing Gotcha 17. RE: Paul's KR and gathering 18. fuselage guts 19. Re: Corvair Motor Mounts 20. Re: Paul's KR 21. Re: Corvair Motor Mounts 22. Lister's Personal Info 23. Re: Corvair Motor Mounts 24. Re: Corvair Motor Mounts 25. Re: Lister's Personal Info 26. KRNet approvals 27. Gathering 28. Re: Gathering 29. Re: Pilot Relife Tube 30. Re: New aviation list 31. Current newsletter issue. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR-2 Kit From: Tlongcrier@aol.com Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 03:57:32 EDT X-Message-Number: 1 In a message dated 9/30/99 10:49:50 PM Central Daylight Time, WilliamTCA@aol.com writes: << have the welding fixture set up to produce the first run of KR/Corvair motor mounts, and enough tubing to make 10 mounts. Anyone who wants one should E-mail me pronto, so they get in on this batch. As I said at the forum I want to work closely with the first group of builders, and I will go to great lengths to make sure they have safe and successful engine installations. >> Will put a check in the mail tomorrow for one of your Corvair engine mounts for the KR. I want to be sure and get one of the first batch. I understand you will ship in one week and that the "early bird" price is $200. Mine is a stock KR2 with a fixed tri gear as the only modification. The fire wall is stock. I suppose your mount will fit most all KR2's unless there has been some major modifications? After your first batch, 10 to 15 mounts, is sold, what is the time element involved before you will produce more? I guess this will depend upon how the orders come in? Thanks Thurman Longcrier 726 E. Limestone St. Florence, Alabama 35630 256 764 8913 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Gathering awards. From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 08:45:14 EDT X-Message-Number: 2 I'm sure everyone wants to know the winners of the awards at the recent Gathering, here they are: Best KR-1 Steve Bennett Best Engine Installation Calvin Campbell Best Interior Bobby Muse Oldest Pilot Bob Muse, Sr. Innovator Troy Pettaway Spot Landing Jim Faughn Longest Flight John Schaffer (sp) by way of Jerry Stapelton, by way of Bobby Muse, Jr...........my fault. (Thanks Bobby) Best KR-2 Tom Crawford Peoples Choice Tom Crawford Hat's off to all who flew in. Dana Overall 2000 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KRKosh 2000 From: "Oscar Zuniga" Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 06:45:57 PDT X-Message-Number: 3 Hello, Netters If you haven't seen Mark Langford's photos of the Gathering, do so! It will fire you up for "KRKosh 2000". We here on the West coast still would like to have something closer (don't we all)- and there was talk about 2001 maybe in West Texas. Maybe by then Dana will have had his fill of hosting and let somebody else do it. As long as it's "free-for-all Friday", I'll mention that I did update my M-19 construction page a week or so ago, at http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/update.html and that as of 10/4/99 it has been a year since I first put Douglas Fir to the saw blade on it. And it's a blast, every step of the way. Building seems to be as much fun as flying! I should be starting the KR-2S project this winter (maybe January), Corvair power. And hoo boy- did I roar out loud at the "how not to use a relief tube" post! Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/index.html ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Strengths of wood SA has the best :) From: Peter Bosch Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 16:01:37 +0200 X-Message-Number: 4 We in South Africa have been using Saligna Grandes for years now. It is almost double the strength in tensile, compression and shear to Fir. The weight is the same as spruce . When it fails, it still hangs on, unlike the "snapping" action of conifers. The solid wood in a TEAM for eg is $100. :) Grain runout and all that selction criteria is not so applicable to Saligna. We hardly ever reject a piece of wood. > > > I didn't know there was that much hard wood in a KR. Is spruce a hard > wood? As far as weight I know for a fact that 65 to 70% of the weigh in > a KR boat is plywood. Peter Bosch. POBox 10. Vereeniging .1930. South Africa http://start.at/the.beginning. mailto:cheeky@acenet.co.za tel: +27 (0)16 4242212. mobile: +27 (0)83 7534678 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: 'vair motor mounts From: Mark McKinley Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 09:26:31 -0500 X-Message-Number: 5 Please "mark" me down for a KR2 motor mount. I have fixed, conventional gear. I may be interested in an intake for a carb from a C-150. Are you going to make those available as well? My wife and I enjoyed the KR gathering immensely! Kudos to Dana for a job well done! Also a big thanks to everyone who was involved in making this a enjoyable and interesting experience. A real 'motivater', anyone who missed it should plan now for next year. Mark McKinley Muncie, Indiana WilliamTCA@aol.com wrote: > I have the welding fixture set up to produce the first run of > KR/Corvair motor mounts, and enough tubing to make 10 mounts. Anyone who > wants one should E-mail me pronto, so they get in on this batch. > Thanks again, William Wynne, the Corvair Authority. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Strengths of wood SA has the best :) From: "John Weikel" Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:34:28 -0500 X-Message-Number: 6 Where can I get some Saligna Grandes seedlings? Heck, I'll grow an airplane..... John W -----Original Message----- From: Peter Bosch To: KR-net users group Date: Friday, October 01, 1999 9:01 AM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Strengths of wood SA has the best :) >We in South Africa have been using Saligna Grandes for years now. >It is almost double the strength in tensile, compression and shear to Fir. >The weight is the same as spruce . >When it fails, it still hangs on, unlike the "snapping" action of conifers. >The solid wood in a TEAM for eg is $100. :) >Grain runout and all that selction criteria is not so applicable to Saligna. >We hardly ever reject a piece of wood. > > > >> >> >> I didn't know there was that much hard wood in a KR. Is spruce a hard >> wood? As far as weight I know for a fact that 65 to 70% of the weigh in >> a KR boat is plywood. > >Peter Bosch. POBox 10. Vereeniging .1930. South Africa >http://start.at/the.beginning. mailto:cheeky@acenet.co.za >tel: +27 (0)16 4242212. mobile: +27 (0)83 7534678 > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jandd@maverickbbs.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Strengths of wood From: Horn2004@aol.com Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:43:08 EDT X-Message-Number: 7 In a message dated 10/1/99 1:36:32 AM, WilliamTCA@aol.com writes: <> Not to throw fuel on the fire, but Les Palmer built his KR entirely of Doug Fir. Had to do a lot of searching to find suitable wood, but he had lots of time to burn and little cash. It can be done, but you will pay a hefty weight penalty. I saw Les at the KR Gathering, but didn't see his KR. I guess the trailer had a flat or something. ;-) Steve Horn horn2004@aol.com Dallas, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: $5000 airplane From: "Richard Parker" Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 08:36:17 PDT X-Message-Number: 8 true, I'm really talking about the basics. The rest I consider creature comforts and since I fly out of an uncontrolled feild I technically dont even need a radio. (But I'll have one) I've already got a Non-mode C xponder but need to upgrade. (it wont be the first time ATC has told me the mode C isnt working). I'm really getting used to the creature comforts of GPS, Autopilot etc so I figure the final price tag will be higher. Actually is there ever a final price tag? Theres just too many toys and they keep coming up with new ones. >From: Mike Mims >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" >To: "KR-net users group" >Subject: [kr-net] Re: $5000 airplane >Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:34:01 -0700 > >Richard Parker wrote: > > > > Yikes! > > > > So far I've got my boat, spars, seats and tail section completed ~600, >WAF's > > ~$45, Wheels + brakes $150, D-fly canopy (2nd most expensive item $465 >+ > > shipping) engine acquired and converted $1150, instrument panel >$11.95,>> > >Rich, don't forget to add a Radio (upwards of $1200) and a Transponder >(another $1200). Those two items alone push most KRs over the $10,000 >barrier. Me and you are lucky (if in fact our engines work out) that we >found powerplants for less than $2k. > > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >Building New Gear Legs >http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ >http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking/ >http://members.home.com/mikemims/ >Aliso Viejo CA >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: richontheroad@hotmail.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: COZY: Time to stir the pot! (fwd) From: "w.g. kirkland" Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 11:30:04 -0400 X-Message-Number: 9 If you can't wizz uphill try "depends" W.G. KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ---------- > From: jscott.pilot@juno.com > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Re: COZY: Time to stir the pot! (fwd) > Date: Thursday, September 30, 1999 9:10 PM > > > > On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:20:53 -0500 "Capps Family" > writes: > > What you seek is a "Johnny Tube", which is sold at most Air Craft Part > > supply houses. > > > > Blue Skies; > > Larry > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Peter Johnson > > To: KR-net users group > > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 6:59 PM > > Subject: [kr-net] Re: COZY: Time to stir the pot! (fwd) > > > > > > > > > > OK. With that said, and 'stupid' now on the minds of all, let me ask > > > another question. Has anyone ever thought of putting a 'pitot tube' > in > > > their airplane? You know, a 'tube where you go to pee'. I've heard > of > > > people bringing two bottles of orange juice along, drinking one, > then being > > > forced into a situation where in there are again two bottles of > 'orange > > > juice' in the plane! Surely anyone who can do that would appreciate > a > > > vacuum style 'evacuation system'. > > In the mililtary and other circles this is known as a pilot relief tube > (PRT). Most factory and homebuilt applications I have seen have a small > venturi mounted under the tail (or on a gear leg on a Long-eze) to > provide the vacuum to make sure the system evacuates itself clean. > > Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM > mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com > See N1213w construction and first flight at > http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: kirkland@vianet.on.ca > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Strengths of wood From: "w.g. kirkland" Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 11:41:30 -0400 X-Message-Number: 10 Mike: The largest amount of wood is used in the spars and they would need to be redesigned. It's not hard but requires a bit of math. If your using the new airfoil you would want to redesign them anyway. I didn't get to the airfoil lecture but my impression is the centre of pressure and the maximum height of the airfoil are further aft. Thus you may also want to reposition the spars to take advantage of this. Bill W.G. KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ---------- > From: Michael Taglieri > To: KR-net users group > Cc: kr-net@telelists.com > Subject: [kr-net] Re: Strengths of wood > Date: Thursday, September 30, 1999 9:57 PM > > >Why is Plywood not used more often as a substitute for hard woods? > > I don't know whether this questioner is actually suggesting that spruce > and fir are hardwoods, but of course they are both are softwoods. > > Concerning the strength/weight question, if fir is 23% stronger and 26% > heaver than Sitka spruce, could you compensate simply by decreasing the > area of the fir stock by 23%? That would mean 5/8" stock (0.625") should > be reduced to 1/2" (0.48") and so on, and the resulting fir frame would > be only 3% heavier, and the cost savings even more because you wouldn't > be using so much of it. Or is the adjustment more complicated that just > changing the area? > > Mike Taglieri > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Get the Internet just the way you want it. > Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! > Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: kirkland@vianet.on.ca > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KR-2 STILL FOR SALE (picture enclosed) From: flyakr2 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 10:54:40 -0700 X-Message-Number: 11 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------956DDA93CF9363F277738963 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello fellow KR enthusiasts, HOORAY!!!! SOMEBODY FINALLY GOT OFF THEIR FANNY AND BOLTED MY WINGS ON!!!! It was a tough job, but somebody had to do it. Anyway, those that are still interested can view the plane along with new pictures recently posted to the site at: http://rainbowaviation.com If interested, please do not e-mail me, but rather e-mail Brian Carpenter through the website or call the phone number listed in the website. It's a nice little project and sure beats starting from scratch. Thank you. 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Have just fitted a 52x48 & am doing the static runs tomorrow (Saturday) will post the results.Sounds to me like the prop you are using is not what you think it is. Eddie King G-BUDF http://www.a1techno.com/kr2 ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BF0C53.4DE70D70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm=20 running a HAPI Magnum 75 with a 52x50 and am turning 2950rpm static. = Have just=20 fitted a 52x48 & am doing the static runs tomorrow (Saturday) will = post the=20 results.Sounds to me like the prop you are using is not what you think = it=20 is.
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------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BF0C53.4DE70D70-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Paul's KR From: Tlongcrier@aol.com Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 16:45:59 EDT X-Message-Number: 13 I am running a 52"x 48" on an 1835 cc Great Plains VW and getting 3000 to 3100 static rpm. I am also running a 54 x 49" on a 1700 cc Type 4 Great Plains VW (60HP) and getting 3000 to 3100 static rpm. This is a Sterba prop. I'd double check the pitch on your prop if I were you. Good luck. T. F. Longcrier Florence. AL 256 764 8913 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Corvair Motor Mounts From: "Dean Collette" Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 18:05:13 -0500 X-Message-Number: 14 Mark, What's with this "balls to the wall" attitude of Wynne? According to Kim's post - he's already welding up a bunch of $200 motor mounts. I would think that somebody needs to look at this a little more carefully then that. CG is of Prime concern on a KR and with the increased weight of a Corvair relative to a 1835 HAPI, those mounts are going to cause a bunch of problems, thus degrading the Corvair penetration in the market. I hope this kind of attitude doesn't purvey through all of his work. Dean Collette Milwaukee, Wisconsin mailto:drdean@execpc.com Web Page at http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/home.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Corvair Motor Mounts From: "Dean Collette" Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 18:08:26 -0500 X-Message-Number: 15 Well, I guess that post wasn't intended for general net publication, but in retrospect, I'm glad it did. I should think that we would want to slow up a bit and figure CG limits and how they would be effected by the increased mass hanging off the front of a KR before a bunch of motor mounts get welded up and a bunch of guys spend the big bucks on them. Dean Collette Milwaukee, Wisconsin mailto:drdean@execpc.com Web Page at http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/home.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Hi Speed Taxi Testing Gotcha From: SkyHawk11@aol.com Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 19:24:07 EDT X-Message-Number: 16 Bobby Smith owner of 808BS KR2S completed in may was doing hi speed taxies and it happened. All he could think of as he lifted off was that the afternoon before he had only put one gallon of fuel in the tank. Not enough runway to land he went around and as he was taxing up to the pump after landing the engine died from lack of fuel. he was white as a sheet as he got out of the cockpit. Brownwood is the geografic center of Texas How about a Texkosh some time? There is west texas and there is a WEST Texas -- a small town out side of WACO Tx SKYHAWK11 172 SKYHAWK Owner ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Paul's KR and gathering From: "garbez" Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 18:52:34 -0500 X-Message-Number: 17 Paul, I'm running an 1835 with what was supposed to be a 52-46 prop and the guys of the net said something didn"t sound right with that pitch and my static RPM's at 2900. I took my prop off and let a guy that carves wood props check it and he checked it three times. It was ordered and stamped a 52-46 but it wasn't, it is a 52-50. Have your prop checked first before doing anything. I'm testing N998MG at 985 lbs. gross with the 1835 and 52-50 prop and getting 500 - 600 FPM cllimb on a hot and humid day and that's not pushing it at all. KR Guys Just wanted to tell you what a nice time we had at the gathering. I think that the Barkley area is beautiful, it is just stunning. I was glad to see that most of the regulars got there even after some questionable beginnings. My airplane was trailered in this year, but next year I will be flying. I would like to offer the use of my trailer to anyone who is building and would like to bring theirs next year. From the amount of people who examined mine I think most builders like being able to look at the internal workings. Perhaps a KR less finished would even be more interesting. Mike Garbez N998MG Griswold IA (712) 778-2449 msgtlg@netins.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: fuselage guts From: "Mark Langford" Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 19:21:59 -0500 X-Message-Number: 18 Mike Garbez wrote: > From the amount of people who > examined mine I think most builders like being able to look at the internal > workings. Perhaps a KR less finished would even be more interesting. I may bring mine next year, and unzip the turtle decks for all to see insides of a KR fuselage. I've inherited Jim Hill's trailer (he moved to the South Pacific) and since it's only a 3 hour drive, I'll probably do it if the weather's OK... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Corvair Motor Mounts From: "Mark Langford" Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 19:30:54 -0500 X-Message-Number: 19 >What's with this "balls to the wall" attitude... Dean (and KRNetHeads) I asked William about that this morning. I was a little concerned that folks might be buying motor mounts before the homework was done. I was especially interested in what distance from the firewall the engine would be. Just guessing, my guess would be that it would have to be almost right next to it. He assured me that he was quite proficient as calculating CGs, and requested a weight and balance sheet for a KR. Of course, we really need one from a KR2S. Perhaps Ron Lee, Jeff Scott (almost a KR2S) or somebody who's almost finished could provide us with one Didn't we have a few posted on Area51 at one time? Anybody remember the URL? Anyway, William's engine mounts will be adjustable, since it's a bed mount. You just slide it where you want it, drill the holes, and hack off the extra material (easier said than done, being 4130) to lighten it up. And he says they'll connect adjacent to the longerons. Sounds like he's thought it out, and he'll do the W&B too and shoot for a happy medium. Personally I'm going to make my own so that I can nail the weight and balance, but then I have a welder who's certified to weld Shuttle main engines in my corner. To answer Dean's question, maybe he's just a "doer", and doesn't want any moss to grow on him... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Paul's KR From: Richard Selix Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 17:45:17 -0700 X-Message-Number: 20 As you probably know, The prop pitch differs from maker to maker, (that is, the method he uses to determine pitch.) To speak of a prop having 52" x 48" against another prop is meaningless, unless it is a prop of the same manufacturer. It's an expensive exercise in trial and error unless the method of dtermining pitch is understood. Unfortunately, the methods are not standard Richard Selix San Diego, ca. rselix@earthlink.net Tlongcrier@aol.com wrote: > I am running a 52"x 48" on an 1835 cc Great Plains VW and getting 3000 to > 3100 static rpm. > > I am also running a 54 x 49" on a 1700 cc Type 4 Great Plains VW (60HP) and > getting 3000 to 3100 static rpm. This is a Sterba prop. > > I'd double check the pitch on your prop if I were you. > > Good luck. > > T. F. Longcrier > Florence. AL > > 256 764 8913 > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rselix@earthlink.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Corvair Motor Mounts From: "Edwin Blocher" Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 20:05:08 -0500 X-Message-Number: 21 Thanks Dean, I'm looking at the Corvair engine but I'm not going to rush out and buy mount yet. I want to see some mounted and go from there. There's always room for improvement and better ideas. Ed -----Original Message----- From: Dean Collette To: KR-net users group Date: Friday, October 01, 1999 5:57 PM Subject: [kr-net] Corvair Motor Mounts >Well, I guess that post wasn't intended for general net publication, >but in retrospect, I'm glad it did. > >I should think that we would want to slow up a bit and figure CG >limits and how they would be effected by the increased mass hanging >off the front of a KR before a bunch of motor mounts get welded up and >a bunch of guys spend the big bucks on them. > >Dean Collette Milwaukee, Wisconsin >mailto:drdean@execpc.com >Web Page at http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/home.htm > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: ed_blocher@email.msn.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Lister's Personal Info From: JEHayward@aol.com Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 22:24:18 EDT X-Message-Number: 22 Here's a site (for an example) of what some of the ultralight folks do to know something about each other. Would there be much value for the KR crowd doing something like this? I found it kind of useful when I first got on an ultralight list to know something about someone who was posting.......FWIW. Jim Hayward Rapid City, SD ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Corvair Motor Mounts From: "Dean Collette" Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 21:42:29 -0500 X-Message-Number: 23 Mark (and others) I spoke too soon. I like the idea of an adjustable mount - this gives more people more options, and you can't go too far wrong with that. I also applaud the effort of moving the attachment points nearer the longerons. I have no doubt that William can calculate a CG. One thing that must be considered is that there are a fair number of guys out there building tricycle gear versions of the 2S. Seems to me that I read somewhere that almost half of the projects underway are trikes. It would seem to me that adding a bit at the bottom so these guys can keep their tails in the air would not be all that difficult. Can't knock a "Do-er", It's more then I can say for myself (at the moment.) Dean Collette Milwaukee, Wisconsin mailto:drdean@execpc.com Web Page at http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/home.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Langford To: KR-net users group Sent: Friday, October 01, 1999 7:30 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Corvair Motor Mounts > >What's with this "balls to the wall" attitude... > > Dean (and KRNetHeads) > > I asked William about that this morning. I was a little concerned that > folks might be buying motor mounts before the homework was done. I was > especially interested in what distance from the firewall the engine would > be. Just guessing, my guess would be that it would have to be almost right > next to it. He assured me that he was quite proficient as calculating CGs, > and requested a weight and balance sheet for a KR. Of course, we really > need one from a KR2S. Perhaps Ron Lee, Jeff Scott (almost a KR2S) or > somebody who's almost finished could provide us with one Didn't we have a > few posted on Area51 at one time? Anybody remember the URL? > > Anyway, William's engine mounts will be adjustable, since it's a bed mount. > You just slide it where you want it, drill the holes, and hack off the extra > material (easier said than done, being 4130) to lighten it up. And he says > they'll connect adjacent to the longerons. Sounds like he's thought it > out, and he'll do the W&B too and shoot for a happy medium. Personally I'm > going to make my own so that I can nail the weight and balance, but then I > have a welder who's certified to weld Shuttle main engines in my corner. > > To answer Dean's question, maybe he's just a "doer", and doesn't want any > moss to grow on him... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: drdean@execpc.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Corvair Motor Mounts From: WilliamTCA@aol.com Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 22:37:15 EDT X-Message-Number: 24 Dear Dean and KR friends, Something was lost in communication here. Yes, I have a full speed attitude, but I am a professional at work. The mount fixture is actually 3 jigs and how they are fixed in relation to each other is the last step in building mounts. It is this step which will set the distance from the firewall. I can be welding for days before anything is set in stone. Please feel no need for worry. CG calculations are simple math. Experience allows me to look at the weight and balance forms of several Kr and use this info to set the length of the mount. Just because I do not own a flying KR does not mean I am unfamiliar with all the models and moods. I have always liked the plane and have owned the plans for years. The only reason why I did not use one as my initial Corvair demonstrator was the popular misconception that the plane will do 200mph on a 1835cc VW. This is a reasonable expectation for a Corvair powered KR, and I did not want people to falsely conclude they are the same power. I know exactly what to look for when designing a mount. Many years ago I designed the mount for Jim Rahm's V-8 powered Lancair IVP. A very complex issue. We did not have the weight of half the components on the motor and there were only a few 4's flying. In spite of these challenges, the mount was only one-tenth of an inch longer than ideal. The mount was designed in three days in 1994, built in a week, and now has 500hrs and has seen 500hp, 390mph, and a 90mph landing with the nose wheel turned 90 degrees. This plane was on the cover of Sport Aviation and won the air race to Oshkosh this year. Yes, I know what I do for a living. Mark langford misunderstood some of an E-mail I sent today. The mounts will come fully welded, but the jig will allow me to make adjustments for each plane,ie 2 or 2s. Building planes is not rocket science. It is work and experience. The experience allows me to proceed with confidence and speed. I have been lucky enough to have great aviation recourses at my fingertips for years. Building planes hase been my 100% passion for 10 years. I am a professional, there is no need to be concerned. I am willing to share my knowledge with anyone who wants to learn. After all, this is how I learned much of what I know. William ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Lister's Personal Info From: JEHayward@aol.com Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 22:37:37 EDT X-Message-Number: 25 In a message dated 10/01/99 8:25:46 PM Mountain Daylight Time, JEHayward@aol.com writes: << Here's a site (for an example) of what some of the ultralight folks do to know something about each other. >> Hmmm, guess I shoulda posted the site too....... :-) http://csclub0.cs.fredonia.edu/WWWProfile/fly-ul/ Jim ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KRNet approvals From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 20:43:55 -0700 X-Message-Number: 26 If any one is wondering why some friends that may try to join the KRNet over the next couple of weeks can't get on, it's cause I'm gonna be gone on vacation. Maybe Ross will check in on the KRNet admin stuff and do some approvals while I'm gone. And yes, I will be spending two weeks traveling around the country in the KR ending up at the big Texas Fly-in in two weeks. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213w construction and first flight at http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Gathering From: John Roffey Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 22:39:51 -0500 X-Message-Number: 27 Those on the left coast who didn't make the gathering missed out on an excellent experience, BERGU. It's only been a week and I miss it already. John Roffey jeroffey@tir.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Gathering From: Ron Lee Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 20:51:57 -0600 X-Message-Number: 28 At 10:39 PM 10/1/99 -0500, you wrote: >Those on the left coast who didn't make the gathering missed out on an >excellent experience, BERGU. It's only been a week and I miss it >already. >John Roffey >jeroffey@tir.com Perhaps a good reason to try to change regions at least every other year. Ron Lee ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Pilot Relife Tube From: Bobby Muse Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 21:55:22 -0500 X-Message-Number: 29 At 12:26 AM 10/01/1999 -0500, you wrote: >> This is how well a relif tube will work in a small airplane. Remember, >> you'er wizzing up hill. >> >> Gary Hinkle Middletown, Pa. >> garykr2@cs.com >> I lose about 1500' when using BIG johnny. Lesson #1, don't climb whem wizzing. Bobby Muse N122B - Wimberley, TX mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: New aviation list From: Bobby Muse Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 21:24:36 -0500 X-Message-Number: 30 At 06:11 PM 09/29/1999 -0700, you wrote: >"Wayne DeLisle Sr." wrote: >> >> >> There is at least one A/C engineer on the list and there is talk of >> actually designing a plane that can be built for under $5000. >> > >That's been done, its called a KR1. I bet you $5000 I could do it. > >Micheal Mims > My Dad built his KR2 for $3200(first flew in 1983). He doesn't like to tell people that because he feels that they don't believe him but it is true.. But unlike most he built everything himself including the engine, airframe, wings, paint, interior and yes, the radio from a RST kit. He believes that if you build a homebuilt that you build a 100% homebuilt not a part homebuilt. Bobby Muse N122B - Wimberley, TX mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Current newsletter issue. From: "Steve Glover" Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 21:19:27 X-Message-Number: 31 I was told that there is a KR-1 project for sale in the recent issue. Can anyone give me the contact info if there is one in there. Thanks in advance! Steve Glover --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com