From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Friday, October 15, 1999 11:21 PM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: October 15, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Friday, October 15, 1999. 1. Re: Holman 2. Re: Holman 3. RE: 2000 gathering 4. Re: Triaxial cloth and such 5. Gathering forum videos 6. Re: Triaxial cloth and such 7. Triaxial and such 8. Re: Triaxial and such 9. Re: make vertical stab off the plane? 10. Re: make vertical stab off the plane? 11. Re: Triaxial cloth and such 12. Re: Triaxial cloth and such 13. Re: Triaxial and such 14. Re: Triaxial and such 15. Re: make vertical stab off the plane? 16. Re: Triaxial and such 17. Re: Triaxial and such 18. Re: make vertical stab off the plane? 19. Re: Triaxial and such 20. Re: make vertical stab off the plane? 21. Re: Triaxial and such 22. RE: 2000 gathering 23. Re: Triaxial and such 24. RE: 2000 gathering 25. Re: wing seam covers 26. Re: make vertical stab off the plane? 27. Re: kr-net digest: October 1... 28. Re: Triaxial and such 29. Re: wing seam covers 30. Re: wing seam covers Aluminum strips 31. Re: make vertical stab off the plane? 32. Sorry Dana 33. RE: 2000 gathering lodging 34. Wing Seam Covers 35. Re: Triaxial and such 36. Re: make vertical stab off the plane? 37. Re: Triaxial cloth and such 38. Re: How to setup a new mail server. 39. Re: wing seam covers 40. Re: Monokote Covered Super Cub 41. Sterling Silver KR WINGS 42. Cuyuna cayoose (horse) 43. Re: wing seam covers 44. Re: wing seam covers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Holman From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:07:31 -0400 X-Message-Number: 1 At 10:19 PM 10/14/1999 +0000, you wrote: >Stallion... was Holman the guy involved in the design for the plane >that was to be built in 30 days? I knew it was the Stallion designer, >but I don't know if the Stallion designer Holman. > >Mark Langford wrote: Yup, that's him. I taped the program, thought it might be something useful. The one off design looked a lot like a Vision, right down to the building process. The whole idea was a joke by the character that supposedly was an experienced home builder, mostly on the British producer who spent the bux to bankroll it. The Fisher Youngster that he finally had factory built for him, looked nice though. WD --------------------------------------------------------- Wayne DeLisle Sr. Charlotte, North Carolina USA EAA # 545644 IHA # 118 mailto:dodger@accessnode.net http://accessnode.net/~dodger --------------------------------------------------------- Project Viking "Daring to venture forward from the Dark Ages" online FAQ/manual at http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Holman From: "Mark Langford" Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 07:15:35 -0500 X-Message-Number: 2 > >Stallion... was Holman the guy involved in the design for the plane > >that was to be built in 30 days? I knew it was the Stallion designer, > >but I don't know if the Stallion designer Holman. > > > >Mark Langford wrote: Uh, I didn't write that, but you'd think so if you didn't know! I know exactly who he is, and have already lived long enough to wish that I'd kept quiet about it... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: 2000 gathering From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:32:47 EDT X-Message-Number: 3 In a message dated 10/14/99 7:53:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, msgtlg@netins.net writes: << P.S. for Dana, If we get 4 times the people coming is there enough lodging for all? >> We will have the same number of rooms at the lodge as we did for the past gathering. Overflow is "on your own" for those people who decide late to attend. Hate to sound short and brief but I can only get so many rooms. We again are somewhat limited at the awards banquet. I have to schedule the room one year in advance to get it. In doing so, I have to approximate the number of people based on prior experience. It would be nice to have 4 times the number of people, but to answer your question, I cannot plan to accommodate that many people. If I do reserve that many rooms in surrounding motels and the weather craps out on us, I would be out a couple thousand dollars in deposits. We run the gathering on less than that, with the goal to send at least enough money to the next host to get his gathering rolling. That being said, I still expect the 2000 gathering to be even larger than the 99 one was. I did look into a BBQ for Friday night, the only problem was putting the "grill on wheels" in the Bonanza:-). You have to remember, I live 5 hours, by car, from Lake Barkley. If someone wants to volunteer to be in charge of that, I'm all for it. We used up the entire field for the span cans, except the one mooney the guy would not move off the ramp, and used the ramp for KRs. I certainly think we can handle more people...............but let's not try and duplicate Oshkosh:-)...........that is until 2001, when I don't host the gathering again. Dana Overall 2000 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Triaxial cloth and such From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:41:25 EDT X-Message-Number: 4 In a message dated 10/15/99 1:12:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Laheze@aol.com writes: << I also did not mention the unidirectional cloth because it is a pain in the butt to lay on at 45 degrees. but I wouldn't waste the weight on a regular KR2. >> IMO, lay the stuff at an angle and overlap the joints using peel ply on top. You want to address the twist on the wing. Laying at an angle does add to the integrity of the wing. Guys, it's not really the weight of the cloth that adds up, it's the excess resin you leave on top of the material. Don't skimp on cloth weight, you can find that extra weight to remove somewhere else on your plane. Laying BID at an angle is not hard. Am I wrong here guys, or am I just not understanding the jest of the post? What do you think??? Dana Overall 2000 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Gathering forum videos From: "Mark Langford" Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 07:51:28 -0500 X-Message-Number: 5 VideoHeads, I'm going to try to make this the last time I blow my horn about this. I have about 20 people signed up for the "video chain" rental deal, whereby I'll send around 3 tapes, each with a list enclosed with 7 or 8 people's names on them. You watch it, record it, and send it on to the next guy, and send me a check for $10. Isn't capitalism wonderful? Anyway, my point is that I'll also still send you one for $25 outright if you don't have what it takes to duplicate the chain version. I managed to cook our VCR by running it relentlessly for days, so we bought a new one, and I rerecorded from the 8mm's to take advantage of the better quality of the new VCR. While I was gone to Nashville for the last few days my wife made me 8 copies of the tape. Bottom line is let me know privately if you want the $25 deal whereby you keep it when you get it. Otherwise, everybody on the list that I have so far will be on the chain list. I hope to get them in the mail on Monday. Have I made this complicated enough yet? Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Langford To: KR-net users group Sent: Friday, October 15, 1999 7:15 AM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Holman > > >Stallion... was Holman the guy involved in the design for the plane > > >that was to be built in 30 days? I knew it was the Stallion designer, > > >but I don't know if the Stallion designer Holman. > > > > > >Mark Langford wrote: > > Uh, I didn't write that, but you'd think so if you didn't know! I know > exactly who he is, and have already lived long enough to wish that I'd kept > quiet about it... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: langford@hiwaay.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Triaxial cloth and such From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:53:42 -0400 X-Message-Number: 6 At 08:25 AM 10/15/1999 +0200, you wrote: >Yesterday I spoke to a guy building Cozy and he told me that we have to use enough >cloth on the wings to prevent buffeting. The wing has to be enough stiff and when >the flaps and/or the ailerons are fully deployed the wing has not to twist. I >think that for the speeds achieved by a KR-2S one would need 2 layers of 5-6 oz. >cloth or 1 layer of 10-11 oz.cloth. > >Stefan Balatchev, >Paris, France >Stefan.Balatchev@wanadoo.fr Hi Stefan, If you follow the RR plans, you will only be using 1 layer of 5.85oz. glass cloth over the wing behind the main spar and 2 layers forward of the spar. Anything else simply adds weigh and cost without any useful benefits. Because of the KR aileron design, the twisting loads on the stock wing are quite low. If you deviate from the stock wing, you had better understand the new loads that the wing will experience. I have been thrashing this issue for months, with my redesign and have settled on the wing style that Mark Langford is building, with the inner layer of glass and the thin foam separator. Mark is using carbon fiber for his outer layer and it will be stiff enough for his design. I will be using 45degree 9oz. biaxial glass with the same 1.45oz deck cloth that Mark is using as an outer layer to help get a smooth easy to finish surface. This has taken a lot of time to figure out, and was not really necessary, but it has been a learning experience. Good luck with your project, WD --------------------------------------------------------- Wayne DeLisle Sr. Charlotte, North Carolina USA EAA # 545644 IHA # 118 mailto:dodger@accessnode.net http://accessnode.net/~dodger --------------------------------------------------------- Project Viking "Daring to venture forward from the Dark Ages" online FAQ/manual at http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Triaxial and such From: Laheze@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 09:32:26 EDT X-Message-Number: 7 Dana Wrote Bid is not hard to put on at 45 degree am I missing the point ? Dana I guess you are missing the point ! The point is -- biaxial cloth is not a woven cloth it is two layers of unidirectional cloth lightly stitched together just to hold in place laid at a 45 degree angle from the selvege edge and is about 20 PERCENT STRONGER THAN A WOVEN FABRIC AND IT IS EASY TO LAY IT LENGTH WISE ON A WING ALREADY AT A 45 DEGREE ANGLE. IN BEING STRONGER USE A LITTLE LIGHTER WEIGHT CLOTH ALL WEIGHT ADDS UP ON AN AIRPLANE WHEN DESIGNING AND BUILDING. BE SMART AND BUILD EVERYTHING AS LIGHT AS POSSIBLE AND YES MOST PEOPLE USE TOO MUCH RESIN WHICH DOES NOT HELP THE STRENGTH AT ALL. To carry the strength in bidirectional cloth you need to overlap at least one inch when you do this you have a hump in the top of your wing at the overlap. Now you have another problem when you get ready to sand and finish, if you sand down to level then you have lost your overlap strength if you start filling to level then you have added weight that was not neccessary if you would have used the stronger bidirectional. My company used to make carbon fiber tubular spars for some of the experimantals a few years ago we used prepreg cloth carbon and e and s glass. We had to design in hoop strength as well as lateral stiffness we usually covered the outside with less expensive e glass so it could be sanded for adhesion to skins without them getting into the carbon. I have been in this for over 20 years and am not a complete idiot or beginner. The covering of a Carbon Fiber wing with a light layer of bid is a good idea for finishing so you will not sand off any of your strength and $$$ carbon. Larry Howell laheze@aol.com KR2 rebuilder, almost flyer Rockwall, Tx ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Triaxial and such From: Laheze@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 09:39:36 EDT X-Message-Number: 8 Sorry messed up one line meant to say use strongert BIAXIAL CLOTH Larry Howell laheze@aol.com KR2 rebuilder, almost flyer Rockwall, Tx ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: make vertical stab off the plane? From: "Jody Wallace" Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 06:49:24 PDT X-Message-Number: 9 >From: HAshraf@aol.com >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" >To: "KR-net users group" >Subject: [kr-net] Re: make vertical stab off the plane? >Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:41:54 EDT > >In a message dated 99-10-14 19:06:27 EDT, you write: > ><< I would like to > make the vstab/rudder now while the hstab/elev is fresh in my mind. >> > >I do not see any problems. Just make sure that the angle of the two posts >are >right. > >Haris > >mailto:hashraf@aol.com Hey Guys: I wonder how a Mooney tail would look on a KR? I don't think it would be too hard to fabricate. What do you guys think? Jody A. Wallace P.O. Box 114 Cicero, IN 46034 (317)984-3227 jwallace@logical123.net (home) jodywallace@hotmail.com (all world) cecai@indy.net (work) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: make vertical stab off the plane? From: Laheze@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 09:56:30 EDT X-Message-Number: 10 I think it would look funny with two tails ! Just kidding , I guess you know Mooney has a comletely moving vertical and horizontal stabilizer. The whole thing pivots at two points by means of a screw drive for trim. Larry Howell laheze@aol.com KR2 rebuilder, almost flyer Rockwall, Tx ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Triaxial cloth and such From: "Stefan B." Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:13:19 +0200 X-Message-Number: 11 Dana, I think you have understood the jest very well=2E As my wing loading is high= er than for the KR-2S, I have to use something stronger=2E As I have to buy my = glass cloth in rolls of 100 m, I'd like to take something that I could use everywh= ere on the plane=2E At the other side, if it is simpler and easier to use the 45= =B0 cloth - why not buying some just for the wings?! Stefan Balatchev, France > > > > Am I wrong here guys, or am I just not understanding the jest of the post? > What do you think??? > > Dana Overall > 2000 KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY > mailto:kr2616tj@aol=2Ecom > http://www=2Egeocities=2Ecom/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: stefan=2Ebalatchev@wanadoo=2Efr > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-86210A@telelists=2Ecom ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Triaxial cloth and such From: HAshraf@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:02:54 EDT X-Message-Number: 12 In a message dated 99-10-15 01:12:24 EDT, you write: << The fellow from sweden or whereever wanted to know the way to go and I suggested off net that he use the lightest weight biaxial cloth he could get. As you know, the wooden spars on the KR2 are supposed to take all the loads pretty much. I thought that the triaxial cloth would be an overkill plus extra weight for nothing. That is why I did not mention it. I also did not mention the unidirectional cloth because it is a pain in the butt to lay on at 45 degrees. I know from eze building. Remember that the original KR2 plans called for dynel fabric which is non structural at all and there are a lot of those wings still flying. In Mikes case with a heavier engine and maybe plane probably not bad insurance to use the triaxial but I wouldn't waste the weight on a regular KR2. >> The one I have seen and used is about 18oz/sq yd. That is 50% more than what KR needs (two plys of 5.85). I was just trying to help him with the info. Haris ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Triaxial and such From: "Capps Family" Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 09:06:25 -0500 X-Message-Number: 13 Larry, Would you clarify one point for me please? It was my understanding that a "BIAXIAL", was actually 2 complete layers of BID constructed with the weave +/- 45 deg. And that "TRIAXIAL", included a layer of "UND" at 0 deg. I would appreciate your comments on the subject. Larry Larry A. Capps cappsfan@ameritech.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: KR-net users group Sent: Friday, October 15, 1999 8:32 AM Subject: [kr-net] Triaxial and such > Dana Wrote > > Bid is not hard to put on at 45 degree am I missing the point ? > > Dana I guess you are missing the point ! > > The point is -- biaxial cloth is not a woven cloth it is two layers of > unidirectional cloth lightly stitched together just to hold in place laid at > a 45 degree angle from > the selvege edge and is about 20 PERCENT STRONGER THAN A WOVEN FABRIC > AND IT IS EASY TO LAY IT LENGTH WISE ON A WING ALREADY AT A 45 DEGREE ANGLE. > IN BEING STRONGER USE A LITTLE LIGHTER WEIGHT CLOTH > ALL WEIGHT ADDS UP ON AN AIRPLANE WHEN DESIGNING AND BUILDING. > BE SMART AND BUILD EVERYTHING AS LIGHT AS POSSIBLE AND YES MOST > PEOPLE USE TOO MUCH RESIN WHICH DOES NOT HELP THE STRENGTH AT > ALL. > To carry the strength in bidirectional cloth you need to overlap at least one > inch > when you do this you have a hump in the top of your wing at the overlap. Now > you > have another problem when you get ready to sand and finish, if you sand down > to > level then you have lost your overlap strength if you start filling to level > then you > have added weight that was not neccessary if you would have used the stronger > bidirectional. > My company used to make carbon fiber tubular spars for some of the > experimantals > a few years ago we used prepreg cloth carbon and e and s glass. We had to > design in hoop strength as well as lateral stiffness we usually covered the > outside > with less expensive e glass so it could be sanded for adhesion to skins > without them getting into the carbon. I have been in this for over 20 years > and am not a > complete idiot or beginner. > The covering of a Carbon Fiber wing with a light layer of bid is a good idea > for finishing so you will not sand off any of your strength and $$$ carbon. > > Larry Howell > laheze@aol.com > KR2 rebuilder, almost flyer > Rockwall, Tx > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: cappsfan@ameritech.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Triaxial and such From: Laheze@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:15:59 EDT X-Message-Number: 14 Larry You are exactly correct, I do not believe I said otherwise. Biaxial has two layers of unidirectional at + - 45 degree to selvage I just said that triaxial was no neccessry on a regular KR2 wing and that laying unidirectional on at a 45 degree angle to the leading or trailing edge was a pain in the butt. If you put two layers of unidirectional cloth on at + - 45 dgree it is the same as one layer of biaxial but a lot more time consuming and a pain. As you know if you use uni do not overlap it just lay selvage edges against one another. If you use bid ( bidirectional) you have to overlap to carry the strength. Larry Howell laheze@aol.com KR2 rebuilder, almost flyer Rockwall, Tx ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: make vertical stab off the plane? From: HAshraf@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:17:25 EDT X-Message-Number: 15 In a message dated 99-10-15 09:50:38 EDT, you write: << I wonder how a Mooney tail would look on a KR? I don't think it would be too hard to fabricate. What do you guys think? >> It will look cool and probably be better for spin recovery too:o) Haris mailto:hashraf@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Triaxial and such From: Laheze@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:18:45 EDT X-Message-Number: 16 Sorry Larry I did not read your first question you were right about the triaxial but wrong about the Biaxial Biaxial is two layers of uni ( unidirectional ) layed at + - 45 degree to selvage Larry Howell laheze@aol.com KR2 rebuilder, almost flyer Rockwall, Tx ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Triaxial and such From: "Capps Family" Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 09:25:41 -0500 X-Message-Number: 17 Larry, I'm sorry, what I meant to say was; to my understanding BIAXIAL is "BI" meaning 2-Layers of BID at + - 45 (Axial). And that "TRI" meaning 3-layers, is 2-Layers BID + - 45, and 1-Layer UND 0. Larry Larry A. Capps cappsfan@ameritech.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: KR-net users group Sent: Friday, October 15, 1999 9:15 AM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Triaxial and such > Larry > > You are exactly correct, I do not believe I said otherwise. > Biaxial has two layers of unidirectional at + - 45 degree to selvage > > I just said that triaxial was no neccessry on a regular KR2 wing and that > laying > unidirectional on at a 45 degree angle to the leading or trailing edge was a > pain > in the butt. If you put two layers of unidirectional cloth on at + - 45 dgree > it is the > same as one layer of biaxial but a lot more time consuming and a pain. As you > know if you use uni do not overlap it just lay selvage edges against one > another. > If you use bid ( bidirectional) you have to overlap to carry the strength. > > Larry Howell > laheze@aol.com > KR2 rebuilder, almost flyer > Rockwall, Tx > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: cappsfan@ameritech.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: make vertical stab off the plane? From: "Jody Wallace" Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 07:25:38 PDT X-Message-Number: 18 >From: Laheze@aol.com >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" >To: "KR-net users group" >Just kidding , I guess you know Mooney has a comletely moving vertical and >horizontal stabilizer. The whole thing pivots at two points by means of a >screw >drive for trim. Larry: Actually, I didn't know that. Hey... I just learned something. I think you could still fabricate one using conventional horizontal stabilizer~elevator/verticle stabilizer~rudder settup with a Mooney look. Sure would make figuring out the forward verticle spar angle easy. Hey its still o.k. to conceptualize ain't it? Jody A. Wallace P.O. Box 114 Cicero, IN 46034 (317)984-3227 jwallace@logical123.net (home) jodywallace@hotmail.com (all world) cecai@indy.net (work) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Triaxial and such From: Laheze@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:42:04 EDT X-Message-Number: 19 Larry, Just to make it clear, Triaxial has two layers of unidirectional at + - 45 degree and one layer of unidirectional at 0 degrees running parallel to the selvage edge. Biaxial has two layers of unidirectional at + - 45 degree to selvage edge these two types ( biax and triax ) are not woven thay are two or three separate layers lightly woven NOT INTER WOVEN LIKE BID ( normal bidirectional cloth)to hold in place while you apply it to your wing or what ever I hope this helps you Larry Howell laheze@aol.com KR2 rebuilder, almost flyer Rockwall, Tx ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: make vertical stab off the plane? From: Laheze@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:46:04 EDT X-Message-Number: 20 Jody, I like the idea it might be faster you know the old straight tail Cessna 172 is faster than the same horse power slant tail 172. besides you would get all the attention at a flyin. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Triaxial and such From: "Capps Family" Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 09:59:02 -0500 X-Message-Number: 21 Larry, That's just great, now my widdle world is turned up side down. I do see the logic of using "UND" at +/- 45 deg. If one was to use BID (+/- 45), you would have only 50% of the fibers running in the desired direction. That means that for the same strength you would have to use 2-layers of BID at +45 and 2-layers of BID at -45 (4 layers total), to equal only 2 layers of "UND". There is one thing to say for "BID", it is much easier to use it to conform to curves than the "UND". Now I know why they say "BIAXIAL" is a time saver, the 2-layers of "UND" fabric which makes up "BIAXIAL" will give you tremendous strength at +/- 45, and it can be applied as simply as if you were using "BID'. Thank you for your time. Blue Skies; Larry Larry A. Capps cappsfan@ameritech.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: KR-net users group Sent: Friday, October 15, 1999 9:18 AM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Triaxial and such > Sorry Larry > > I did not read your first question you were right about the triaxial but > wrong about > the Biaxial > Biaxial is two layers of uni ( unidirectional ) layed at + - 45 degree to > selvage > > Larry Howell > laheze@aol.com > KR2 rebuilder, almost flyer > Rockwall, Tx > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: cappsfan@ameritech.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: 2000 gathering From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:58:32 -0400 X-Message-Number: 22 At 08:32 AM 10/15/1999 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 10/14/99 7:53:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >msgtlg@netins.net writes: > ><< P.S. for Dana, If we get 4 times the people coming is there enough lodging > for all? >> > >We will have the same number of rooms at the lodge as we did for the past >gathering. Overflow is "on your own" for those people who decide late to >attend. Hate to sound short and brief but I can only get so many rooms. We >again are somewhat limited at the awards banquet. I have to schedule the >room one year in advance to get it. In doing so, I have to approximate the >number of people based on prior experience. It would be nice to have 4 times >the number of people, but to answer your question, I cannot plan to >accommodate that many people. If I do reserve that many rooms in surrounding >motels and the weather craps out on us, I would be out a couple thousand >dollars in deposits. We run the gathering on less than that, with the goal >to send at least enough money to the next host to get his gathering rolling. My wife and I stayed at the Holiday Inn on I-26 at exit 65. It was quite comfortable and I was able to get a room the day before we left. There is also a Motel 8 there as well, so overflow crowds shouldn't be a problem. Exit 65 is about 15 miles from the airport, so it's not that big a deal. >That being said, I still expect the 2000 gathering to be even larger than the >99 one was. I did look into a BBQ for Friday night, the only problem was >putting the "grill on wheels" in the Bonanza:-). You have to remember, I >live 5 hours, by car, from Lake Barkley. If someone wants to volunteer to be >in charge of that, I'm all for it. If you have a BBQ on wheels, I could come up the day before and hook it to my van and tow it to the gathering. It would be an extra travel day each way for me, but what the heck, good BBQ is worth it. (-; Let me know what you think. WD --------------------------------------------------------- Wayne DeLisle Sr. Charlotte, North Carolina USA EAA # 545644 IHA # 118 mailto:dodger@accessnode.net http://accessnode.net/~dodger --------------------------------------------------------- Project Viking "Daring to venture forward from the Dark Ages" online FAQ/manual at http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Triaxial and such From: Laheze@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:18:08 EDT X-Message-Number: 23 Larry, When you want to bend unidirectional cloth around a leading edge or up a bulkhead or sidewall from the floor, apply it at a 45 dgree angle and it will make the bend more easily than trying to go at it straight on ( at 90 degrees ), the same for bidirectional. Fiberglass fibers are their strongest in a straight line and they do not want to bend easily. Bidirectional cloth is not as strong as unidirectional because of the little tight turns that it has been forced into by the weaving process. Larry Howell laheze@aol.com KR2 rebuilder, almost flyer Rockwall, Tx ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: 2000 gathering From: "Capps Family" Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:39:53 -0500 X-Message-Number: 24 You may also get a Trailerable grill shack (for lack of words), from the local Pepsi or Coke distributor. These rigs are most commonly used to promote their products, but they also lend them to high profile events like, Radio promotions for Malls, or major Fly-Ins. They will even bring these rigs to up from the event. By the way, since they're in the soda biz, they normally supply a few tanks of their prime juice for just such an occasion. All that is left is to buy the hot dogs, buns, and ice. Just a thought. Larry Larry A. Capps cappsfan@ameritect.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne DeLisle Sr. To: KR-net users group Sent: Friday, October 15, 1999 9:58 AM Subject: [kr-net] RE: 2000 gathering > At 08:32 AM 10/15/1999 -0400, you wrote: > >In a message dated 10/14/99 7:53:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > >msgtlg@netins.net writes: > > > ><< P.S. for Dana, If we get 4 times the people coming is there enough lodging > > for all? >> > > > >We will have the same number of rooms at the lodge as we did for the past > >gathering. Overflow is "on your own" for those people who decide late to > >attend. Hate to sound short and brief but I can only get so many rooms. We > >again are somewhat limited at the awards banquet. I have to schedule the > >room one year in advance to get it. In doing so, I have to approximate the > >number of people based on prior experience. It would be nice to have 4 times > >the number of people, but to answer your question, I cannot plan to > >accommodate that many people. If I do reserve that many rooms in surrounding > >motels and the weather craps out on us, I would be out a couple thousand > >dollars in deposits. We run the gathering on less than that, with the goal > >to send at least enough money to the next host to get his gathering rolling. > > My wife and I stayed at the Holiday Inn on I-26 at exit 65. It was quite comfortable > and I was able to get a room the day before we left. There is also a Motel 8 > there as well, so overflow crowds shouldn't be a problem. Exit 65 is about > 15 miles from the airport, so it's not that big a deal. > > >That being said, I still expect the 2000 gathering to be even larger than the > >99 one was. I did look into a BBQ for Friday night, the only problem was > >putting the "grill on wheels" in the Bonanza:-). You have to remember, I > >live 5 hours, by car, from Lake Barkley. If someone wants to volunteer to be > >in charge of that, I'm all for it. > > If you have a BBQ on wheels, I could come up the day before and hook it to my > van and tow it to the gathering. It would be an extra travel day each way for me, > but what the heck, good BBQ is worth it. (-; > > Let me know what you think. > > WD > --------------------------------------------------------- > Wayne DeLisle Sr. > Charlotte, North Carolina USA > EAA # 545644 > IHA # 118 > mailto:dodger@accessnode.net > http://accessnode.net/~dodger > --------------------------------------------------------- > Project Viking "Daring to venture forward from the Dark Ages" > online FAQ/manual at http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: cappsfan@ameritech.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: wing seam covers From: Albert.Frohner@optelinc.com Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:58:46 -0500 X-Message-Number: 25 Bobby, What about annual airworthyness inspections?? Isn't 5 yrs a bit long between checkups??? Al N41AF KR-2 Colleyville, TX Bobby Muse on 10/14/99 10:00:57 PM Please respond to "KR-net users group" To: "KR-net users group" cc: (bcc: Albert Frohner/hdq/Optel) Subject: [kr-net] Re: wing seam covers At 06:51 PM 10/13/1999 -0500, you wrote: >The gathering was great as always, this was my fourth year and the first to >be able to bring my KR. I heard Bobby Muse talking about wing straps. >to someone a couple of years ago at one of the gatherings, maybe he or >anyone else who knows can post it on the net so we will all know. > >Thanks, >Mike Garbez N998MG OK, here we go. (This is what I did for my wing attach cover straps.) With the wings attached, place packing tape(I used clear) spanning the gap between the center wing and the outer wing. Place Blue masking tape along a line about 1" from the edge of the wing attach gap. Protect the upper and lower portion of the wing where you don't want epoxy. Lay up two layers of 6oz. cloth about 2" wider than the wing gap onto 4 MIL plastic long enought to go all the way around(top and bottom) the wing. Use the plastic/figerglass layup and wrap around the wing over the wing gap. Work out the air and peel away the plastic. After the layup has cured, remove the wing gap seal, trim along the ridge/edge that the Blue masking tape had formed. Sand(you know, Jim hates sanding) and paint as required. I use silicone to hold the wing gap seal on and one pop rivet on the top and one pop rivet on the bottom near the trailing edge to secure it. My wing gap seal has been there 5 years with no problems. I plan to remove the seal this winter to inspect the wing attach fittings. I hope this helps. Bobby Muse N122B - Wimberley, TX mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: albert.frohner@optelinc.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: make vertical stab off the plane? From: Albert.Frohner@optelinc.com Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:44:49 -0500 X-Message-Number: 26 Jody, It sure does make the front spar angle easy to set but the rear spar is suddenly a nightmare!!! Remember the rear spar is part of what ties the fuse. sides together in the rear. Sure would have a cool look though. Having the entire empanage trimable makes for a much more slippery design. That's part of the reason a Money goes so fast. Al KR-2 N41AF Colleyville, TX "Jody Wallace" on 10/15/99 09:25:38 AM Please respond to "KR-net users group" To: "KR-net users group" cc: (bcc: Albert Frohner/hdq/Optel) Subject: [kr-net] Re: make vertical stab off the plane? >From: Laheze@aol.com >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" >To: "KR-net users group" >Just kidding , I guess you know Mooney has a comletely moving vertical and >horizontal stabilizer. The whole thing pivots at two points by means of a >screw >drive for trim. Larry: Actually, I didn't know that. Hey... I just learned something. I think you could still fabricate one using conventional horizontal stabilizer~elevator/verticle stabilizer~rudder settup with a Mooney look. Sure would make figuring out the forward verticle spar angle easy. Hey its still o.k. to conceptualize ain't it? Jody A. Wallace P.O. Box 114 Cicero, IN 46034 (317)984-3227 jwallace@logical123.net (home) jodywallace@hotmail.com (all world) cecai@indy.net (work) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: albert.frohner@optelinc.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: kr-net digest: October 1... From: RBChaser1@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:25:43 EDT X-Message-Number: 27 --part1_0.72bf3222.2538d9b7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The digest that I am getting downloaded is corrupted --part1_0.72bf3222.2538d9b7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; name="KRNETD13.TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline; filename="KRNETD13.TXT" =1A =C4=02 --part1_0.72bf3222.2538d9b7_boundary-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Triaxial and such From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:48:41 EDT X-Message-Number: 28 In a message dated 10/15/99 9:33:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Laheze@aol.com writes: << To carry the strength in bidirectional cloth you need to overlap at least one inch when you do this you have a hump in the top of your wing at the overlap. Now you have another problem when you get ready to sand and finish, if you sand down to level then you have lost your overlap strength if you start filling to level then you have added weight that was not neccessary if you would have used the stronger bidirectional. If you lay peel ply over the overlap you will not be able to see the joint, done it several times and I'll pay you to find the lap. I have been in this for over 20 years and am not a complete idiot or beginner. >> Just trying to ask a question, it's comments like this that us guys who have been on the KRnet when there were 50 of us, that are hard to take. I'll keep everyone up to date about the gathering but other than that..................see ya!!!!!!!!! Dana Overall 2000 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: wing seam covers From: "Eduardo Iglesias" Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:16:30 -0300 X-Message-Number: 29 Tom I agree with you. I also think that it is probably better than the aluminum (or glass) it is in " T ", so that the seal cannot slip for the wing an so, you need less screews. Eduardo emiglesias@cpenet.com.ar ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: wing seam covers Aluminum strips From: "Ron Freiberger" Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 17:54:12 -0500 X-Message-Number: 30 I built a variant of the Spezio Tuholer, fiished in 1972 (!). There were some low speed handling complaints by others, and I tuft-test my wing to see the problem. It turned out to be leakage from under the gap seal. Airflow was normal as you slowed down, and the it would "unport" on one side or the other and drop lift badly on one side. I put a little wood screw every 3 inces all the way around, on both sides, and there was a dramatic improvement in low speed handling. To redo it, I would use Mr Muse's sugggestion to glue with silicone. That's fail safe and easy to remove. I would join also at the leading edge, using two pieces, just to make it easy to handle without bending and distortion. BTW ... the ladies use a pink tape on hair curlers that is nice to attach a ribbon without leaving a residue. Kind of like a post-it note. Ron Freiberger KR2+/- building slowly in Fort Myers +/- means "approximately" -----Original Message----- From: bounce-kr-net-100070@telelists.com [mailto:bounce-kr-net-100070@telelists.com]On Behalf Of Tlongcrier@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 9:44 AM To: KR-net users group Subject: [kr-net] Re: wing seam covers There have been several posts regarding wing seal covers, particularly using fiberglass tapes and other kind of sealing tapes. FWIW, I have a KR 2 with Diehl wings, The wing gaps are covered with an alumium strip, cut to whatever width you want. The length should be, for the top of the wing, long enough to curve around leading edge to where the flat surface begins - or near to it - and end at the gap between the wing and the aileron. Shape this aluminum strip to the contour of the airfold. Crimp the edges downward just enough to make a nice contact with the wing surface. Attach with small sheet metal screws. As for the bottom of the wing, do the same thing. Since the bottom is mostly flat, little shaping will be necessary and you won't have to turn the plane upside down. Paint the strips the same color as the aircraft, or whatever you chose. It makes a very nice, professional looking gap seal. Also easily removed. A sheet metal screw on either side, 10 to 12 inches apart along the length is all that is needed. The fewer the better just so long as it is secure. TLongcrier @aol.com Florence, Al --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: ronald.freiberger@prodigy.net To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: make vertical stab off the plane? From: "w.g. kirkland" Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 18:12:35 -0400 X-Message-Number: 31 How about that freudian slip. W.G. KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ---------- > From: Albert.Frohner@optelinc.com > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Re: make vertical stab off the plane? > Date: Friday, October 15, 1999 2:44 PM > > > > Jody, > > It sure does make the front spar angle easy to set but the rear spar is > suddenly a nightmare!!! Remember the rear spar is part of what ties the > fuse. sides together in the rear. > > Sure would have a cool look though. Having the entire empanage trimable > makes for a much more slippery design. That's part of the reason a Money > goes so fast. > > Al > KR-2 > N41AF > Colleyville, TX > > > > > > "Jody Wallace" on 10/15/99 09:25:38 AM > > Please respond to "KR-net users group" > > To: "KR-net users group" > cc: (bcc: Albert Frohner/hdq/Optel) > > Subject: [kr-net] Re: make vertical stab off the plane? > > > > > > > > >From: Laheze@aol.com > >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" > >To: "KR-net users group" > > >Just kidding , I guess you know Mooney has a comletely moving vertical and > >horizontal stabilizer. The whole thing pivots at two points by means of a > >screw > >drive for trim. > > Larry: > > Actually, I didn't know that. Hey... I just learned something. > I think you could still fabricate one using conventional horizontal > stabilizer~elevator/verticle stabilizer~rudder settup with a Mooney look. > Sure would make figuring out the forward verticle spar angle easy. > Hey its still o.k. to conceptualize ain't it? > > > Jody A. Wallace > P.O. Box 114 > Cicero, IN 46034 > (317)984-3227 > jwallace@logical123.net (home) > jodywallace@hotmail.com (all world) > cecai@indy.net (work) > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: albert.frohner@optelinc.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > > > > > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: kirkland@vianet.on.ca > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Sorry Dana From: Laheze@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 20:58:44 EDT X-Message-Number: 32 Dana, I am sorry if we had a misunderstanding, Stefans original question was bidirectional laid on at an 45 degree to leading edge or continuous biaxial at 45 degree better. Those weren't his exact words but that is what he asked. I told him that the biaxial would be better it is easier to apply to the wing and it is stronger at least 20 percent stronger. Later someone else Haris I think said something about triaxial and I said that a regular KR2 wing did not need to waste the extra weight of the triaxial. In using the biaxial which is laid up as it comes on the roll with two layers of uni already at a + or - 45 degree to the edge of the fabric, which would address the twisting loads of the wing. I guess I just mistook the way you picked out the unidirectional part of my answers and the weight of the cloth and I took it personally. I really do apologize and I am sorry that you preferred the 50 brains rather than 450 brains. I have used rolls and rolls of peelply over the years and you are right that by adding in extra resin you can make the edge of overlapped glass disappear, but the hump is still there if you want a level surfface. The glass is however many thousandths thick and that one inch overlap will not disappear, it is still there until you do something with it. You either sand it off or you start filling around it in a big area to try and blend it in. Dana I am here trying to learn what I can from all of you and at the same time I am trying to pass on what little I know if it can be of help to someone. You just say the word and I will regretfully leave the net and get it closer to that 50 that you prefer. Larry Howell laheze@aol.com KR2 rebuilder, almost flyer Rockwall, Tx ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: 2000 gathering lodging From: Horn2004@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 21:08:18 EDT X-Message-Number: 33 In a message dated 10/15/99 10:09:59 AM, dodger@accessnode.net writes: <> I made the decision to come at the last minute - no room, no plans - went to Cadiz which is about 10 min from the airport and found 2 hotels with probably a combined 150 rooms. I think there were maybe 6 rooms taken in the hotel I stayed in. It was cheaper than staying at the Lake Barkley Lodge. Lodging will not be a problem. Steve Horn horn2004@aol.com Dallas, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Wing Seam Covers From: GARYKR2@cs.com Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 21:45:03 EDT X-Message-Number: 34 Jerry Wells used white Monokote on his gaps. Laid it in place, and ironed away. It worked. For those who don't know, Monokote is a covering material for R/C airplanes. How many of you remember the Super Cub that was covered with this? What was the year? Gary Hinkle Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Triaxial and such From: Mike Mims Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 18:39:42 -0700 X-Message-Number: 35 There has been a lot said today on bi and triaxial cloths. Well since I have a little experience using both I thought I would throw this in. It seems that no one builds a KR wing to plans anymore and after getting a ride or two in KRs with plans built wings I don't blame them. If you are expecting your KR to break the 170 mph barrier you better consider having two layers of glass over the whole wing. Either that or get the music ready while your wings skins do the boundary layer boogie (thats the buffeting thing that Stefans buddy talked about)! Also if you are building using the AS wing you DO NOT want the surface to deform in any way! The 17 oz biaxial cloth is without a doubt the best bang for buck glass you can use on KR wings that are built to plans. When I say built to plans I mean using the 2 inch thick urethane foam that is sanded to shape. Sure its 17 oz cloth but as mentioned earlier no one is using a single layer anymore. Some use two layers of 6 oz or 8 oz cloth. Well you can use the 17 oz biaxial and have a much better wing surface to work with. Not only that its 20% stronger than say two layers of 9 oz cloth. This stuff is great and this is one area where a plans change could be in order. If your happy putting around at 135 mph then the old single layer skin might work for you. BTW there was talk of bid being part of the bi or triaxial cloth. This is not so, biaxial is two layers of uni one at +45 degrees the other at -45 degrees. Triaxial is three layers of UNI one at 0, another at +45 and the last at -45. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Sanding and Filling AGAIN! :o( http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: make vertical stab off the plane? From: Mike Mims Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 18:41:18 -0700 X-Message-Number: 36 Albert.Frohner@optelinc.com wrote: > > Sure would have a cool look though. Having the entire empanage trimable > makes for a much more slippery design. That's part of the reason a Money > goes so fast. > > Al > KR-2 Mooneys DO NOT have all flying tail feathers. At least the 20s or the 201s do not. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Sanding and Filling AGAIN! :o( http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Triaxial cloth and such From: Mike Mims Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 18:45:14 -0700 X-Message-Number: 37 "Wayne DeLisle Sr." wrote: > > If you follow the RR plans, you will only be using 1 layer of 5.85oz. glass cloth over the > wing behind the main spar and 2 layers forward of the spar. Anything else simply adds > weigh and cost without any useful benefits. Except that your wings will warp like crazy at high speeds. If you plan to go fast don't so this. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Sanding and Filling AGAIN! :o( http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: How to setup a new mail server. From: Mike Mims Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 18:55:29 -0700 X-Message-Number: 38 "Ross R. Youngblood" wrote: > > Krnet bill = $99.50 YR (includes mail list) > Disk Space = $100-130YR(archive storage) Optional for us > Domain Host= $50 YR (Optional too) > =========== > $280 yr > I'm thinking... whats the problem here... Teleport upgrades hardware and IP > connections. Can we do this on $280 a year? > I kinda thought we were getting a great deal so I didn't know what all the commotion was about. Also I don't think the server that we use has an issue with attachments as much as the subscribers to the list. If people started send files around on this list I would be the first one outta here! And I have a high speed connection. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Sanding and Filling AGAIN! :o( http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: wing seam covers From: "Mark Langford" Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 21:04:48 -0500 X-Message-Number: 39 Although I really hate to see this thread go on for even one more comment, I can't help but wonder why people don't just fill the gap with foam and either continue the stub wing or the outer wing skin fiberglass right up to it, so that the outer wing butts up to the stub wing, and the WAFs magically align. Then all you end up with is two little covers at each spar for bolt/nut access. In my case, I'll only have one cover for the front spar (one each for top and bottom), since the rear spar bolts can be accessed after the flap is removed. OK, maybe you'd need another one for the aileron connection... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Monokote Covered Super Cub From: "Peter Johnson" Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 21:18:31 -0000 X-Message-Number: 40 Hi Gary. Your reference to the cub brought back a LOT of memories. I was up to my eyebrows in R/C when Monokote was promo'ing itself and used the Super Cub as an add. It would have been late '60's or very early '70's "You can tell the men from the boys by the price of their toys" >.> > Jerry Wells used white Monokote on his gaps. Laid it in place, and > ironed away. It worked. > For those who don't know, Monokote is a covering material for R/C > airplanes. How many of you remember the Super Cub that was covered with this? > What was the year? > Gary Hinkle Middletown, Pa. > garykr2@cs.com > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: pjohnson@voyageur.ca > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Sterling Silver KR WINGS From: Warron Gray Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 22:35:27 -0400 X-Message-Number: 41 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------8113DB2E31D4C127716965B2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For any of you KR people I still make the Sterling Silver wings if you are interested in a set they are $19.95 that includes shipping via priorty mail . 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Fri, 15 Oct 1999 19:44:22 PDT X-Message-Number: 42 I hate to keep beating on the dead 2-stroke horse, but I had originally thought about the 3-cyl. 2si engine when I was looking at power for the KR-2S. It seemed like the horsepower to weight ratio beat everything else out there, and it probably does, but that's almost a fault because to keep the CG good you'd have the engine out on a snoot like the turbine-powered KR has. Then there's the fuel specifics, and the oil mixing, the decarbonizing, the plug changing, the ring-dinging, and all the other things that I've already been beat up on (and educated about) with 2-strokes. I've whipped my share of Honda 305s and a few 350s with my Yamaha 250 Big Bear (lots of years ago), but the sound and smoke won't ever make my heart skip like a 4-stroke. Oscar Zuniga (planning Corvair power!) Medford, Oregon mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/index.html ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: wing seam covers From: "garbez" Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 22:20:59 -0500 X-Message-Number: 43 Mark Langford wrote: >Although I really hate to see this thread go on for even one more comment, I >can't help but wonder why people don't just fill the gap with foam and >either continue the stub wing or the outer wing skin fiberglass right up to >it, so that the outer wing butts up to the stub wing, and the WAFs magically >align. Then all you end up with is two little covers at each spar for >bolt/nut access. In my case, I'll only have one cover for the front spar >(one each for top and bottom), since the rear spar bolts can be accessed >after the flap is removed. OK, maybe you'd need another one for the aileron >connection.. Dear KRNET TO START WITH I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR RESPONSES TO THE WING SEAM COVERS AND I HAVE ENOUGH IDEAS NOW TO GET SOMETHING TO WORK, BUT I HAVE TO RESPOND TO MARKS COMMENTS. MY WINGS BUTT PERFECTLY TO MY STUB WINGS, THEY WERE ALL LAYED UP TOGETHER AND CUT APART WITH A SHARP BLADE, HOWEVER THAT little hair line crack THAT RUNS ACROSS THE WINGS LOOKS STUPID AND I'M GOING TO COVER IT UP!!! Mike Garbez N998MG Griswold ,IA (712) 778-2449 msgtlg@netins.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: wing seam covers From: Mike Mims Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 22:59:00 -0700 X-Message-Number: 44 garbez wrote: > HOWEVER THAT little hair line crack THAT RUNS ACROSS THE WINGS LOOKS STUPID AND I'M GOING > TO COVER IT UP!!! > > Mike Garbez N998MG What you need is white vinyl tape. Gee if its only a hair line crack whats the big issue. Use some electrical tape or something. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Sanding and Filling AGAIN! :o( http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com