From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Friday, October 29, 1999 11:29 PM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: October 29, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Friday, October 29, 1999. 1. Re: Too Fat. Too Skinney. 2. 6060-T5 properties 3. Smoothprime 4. AOPA 5. Re: Too Fat. Too Skinney. 6. Newbie Builder 7. Gear leg brackets not fitting 8. KR-2S help 9. naming the little planes 10. Fw: naming the little planes 11. naming the little planes 12. NTSB report of Jesse Klebsch 13. Searchable KRnet Archives 14. Landing Gear Parts 15. Re: Replies...Yes or No? 16. Re: naming the little planes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Too Fat. Too Skinney. From: "Diaz, Craig" Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 04:00:49 -0400 X-Message-Number: 1 -----Original Message----- From: Michael Taglieri To: KR-net users group Cc: kr-net@telelists.com Sent: 10/29/99 12:24 AM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Too Fat. Too Skinney. >KR Netters, > >Can we somehow find a happy medium? I have to have something to read >while my wife watches the Antique road Show. How about some KRNet Users >Group replies? I know things are going on that we need to know about. >My learning curve has taken a nasty nose dive. I really hope we don't go to the other extreme here. I believe ALL questions and answers on technical subjects should be "reply to all," and only personal chit-chat go to the sender only. Otherwise you get an underground subculture of people learning from one another on private e-mails and the rest of us (and the archives) learning nothing. Some of the questions may be as stale as the "spruce vs. fir" threads and others controversial or obscure, but I want to have the opportunity to read (or delete) everything. Mike Taglieri ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: diazc@bnl.gov To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com Dear KRnetters I am in the process of aligning the Deihl landing gear(trigear fiberglass leg) and notice that the axle bracket does not have enough length to clear the inside of the brake hub without leg material. Did anyone using this setup notice the problem? Perhaps I recieved the wrong axle bracket. Craig Diaz ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 6060-T5 properties From: "Stefan B." Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 13:16:01 +0200 X-Message-Number: 2 --------------8C717F5326CB9CD040B92165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would like to know the mechanical properties of 6060-T5 alloy. Anyone has them? Thanks in advance for your help. Stefan Balatchev, Paris, France mail me privately --------------8C717F5326CB9CD040B92165 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would like to know the mechanical properties of 6060-T5 alloy. Anyone has them? Thanks in advance for your help.

Stefan Balatchev,
Paris, France
mail me privately --------------8C717F5326CB9CD040B92165-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Smoothprime From: "Oscar Zuniga" Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 05:00:14 PDT X-Message-Number: 3 I have a question for those who have used/are using the SmoothPrime. In other posts there have been ideas and methods of helping to show up imperfections in the glass surfaces needing sanding/filling. One of these was an auto finishing trick using some dark primer and a sanding stick, which would show up the high spots and low spots. Anyway, my question is- if you use these other primers or "pre-primers", does the SmoothPrime care? Does it want to be the first primer applied to the surface, or will it go on over whatever other miscellaneous stuff has been put on? And a little Friday FYI- Jeff Scott's local group is hosting Burt Rutan this weekend. Look for Jeff to post something Monday about a twin-boom, canard KR designed for a pole-to-pole unrefueled flight ;o) Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.geocities.com/taildrags/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: AOPA From: "Oscar Zuniga" Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 05:20:37 PDT X-Message-Number: 4 Hey again, netters Those of you who are AOPA members should have gotten the first edition of AOPA ePILOT via email. In a small item on the LearJet crash (Payne Stewart), they show a map tracking the fatal flight. Somehow they also were able to determine that at the time of the flight there were a total of 61 LearJets in the air over the U.S. (at least, those that were on flight plans and/or squawking xpdr). There is also a "picture of the week", if you like Mike Fizer's photography. If you don't, just look at his Beech 18 on floats and you will! If you're an AOPA member and didn't get the ePILOT (to be issued every Friday), go to the http://www.aopa.org site and sign up. Oscar Zuniga (AOPA 455536) Medford, Oregon mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.geocities.com/taildrags/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Too Fat. Too Skinney. From: "Larry Helming" Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 08:14:58 -0500 X-Message-Number: 5 WithAllDueRespect, I already know some think there should never be a me-too reply. (Every body has and is entitled to their opinion, and I have mine too) "ME TOO" to your response Michael, that we should not limit information availability to everyone willing to log on and read it!! FYI, I have been a lurker here for some time and never responded in past. Yes, I have read a lot of the debates and abuses. But that is freedom of speech! The very thing we all want! I have a delete key -- If the first few lines of something doesn't interest me, delete and go on. I'd rather see it all rather than just questions that never get answered. Without new answers (the old pros know the 'old' answers) we'd never get new ideas for improvements. All old answers are not wrong, but they have the tried and true experience. If the amount of material gets too much to review, remove yourself from the list or just look at every third one. I also agree that an archive search would be very good for research to see what folks though about things months or even years ago. Having said all this, I encourage all messages on the kr-net to be about building/designing the KR plane. Thank you. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Taglieri To: KR-net users group Cc: Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 11:24 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Too Fat. Too Skinney. > >KR Netters, > > > >Can we somehow find a happy medium? Snip. > > I really hope we don't go to the other extreme here. I believe ALL > questions and answers on technical subjects should be "reply to all," and > only personal chit-chat go to the sender only. > > Otherwise you get an underground subculture of people learning from one > another on private e-mails and the rest of us (and the archives) learning > nothing. Some of the questions may be as stale as the "spruce vs. fir" > threads and others controversial or obscure, but I want to have the > opportunity to read (or delete) everything. > > Mike Taglieri ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Newbie Builder From: "Robert Swarts" Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 07:28:15 -0700 X-Message-Number: 6 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF2219.D5B2A648 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hiya KR-Netters, Are there any current KR builders or flyers in the San Francisco Bay Area? I'm interested in taking a look first hand at the construction process of a KR and maybe a finished one too, but most of the builders I've seen on the 'net are in the Midwest. Also, I don't want to start a faction war on the newsgroup but I'm interested in more details regarding a "stock vs. modified" KR (of any type). In all my looking on the Internet, I don't think I've seen 1 KR built strictly to factory specs. I understand this type of building lends itself well to customization, but frankly that makes me nervous. Doesn't the original fly very well? My only experience thus far has been with Quicksilver ultralights, so many of the mods to things like changing the airfoil to increase laminair flow (hunh?!?) are lost on me. I plan on picking up a few books on aerodynamics and kitbuilding before I begin myself, but I thought I'd ask some experienced builder's opinions. Thanks in advance! Robert Swarts San Jose, CA rswarts@mail.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF2219.D5B2A648 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Newbie Builder

Hiya KR-Netters,
        Are there = any current KR builders or flyers in the San Francisco Bay Area? I'm = interested in taking a look first hand at the construction process of a = KR and maybe a finished one too, but most of the builders I've seen on = the 'net are in the Midwest.

        Also, I = don't want to start a faction war on the newsgroup but I'm interested = in more details regarding a "stock vs. modified" KR (of any = type). In all my looking on the Internet, I don't think I've seen 1 KR = built strictly to factory specs. I understand this type of building = lends itself well to customization, but frankly that makes me nervous. = Doesn't the original fly very well? My only experience thus far has = been with Quicksilver ultralights, so many of the mods to things like = changing the airfoil to increase laminair flow (hunh?!?) are lost on = me. I plan on picking up a few books on aerodynamics and kitbuilding = before I begin myself, but I thought I'd ask some experienced builder's = opinions. Thanks in advance!

Robert Swarts
San Jose, CA
rswarts@mail.com

------_=_NextPart_001_01BF2219.D5B2A648-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Gear leg brackets not fitting From: Mike Mims Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 08:01:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Message-Number: 7 I dont think you got the wrong brackets, its just a very close fit with the DD lower brackets. This is exactly what prompted me to build my own (lower brackets). Take a look on Dr Deans web page at how the DD bracket fits up compared to mine on my web site. Dr Deans (look at the picture at the top) http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/gear.htm Mine (I made the lower portion longer to avoid this) http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/gear2.html --- "Diaz, Craig" wrote: > > Dear KRnetters > I am in the process of aligning the Deihl > landing gear(trigear fiberglass leg) and notice that the axle bracket does not have enough length > to clear the inside of the brake hub without leg > material. Did anyone using this setup notice the problem? Perhaps ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KR-2S help From: Willard561@aol.com Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:51:27 EDT X-Message-Number: 8 I coppied this of the RAH news group, how about helping him out guys Bill Higdon Willard561@aol.com Subject: KR2-S From: hgmyling@plex.nl (Herman=20 Mijling) Date: Thu, 28 October 1999 04:51 PM EDT Message-id: <3818b5e0.1862584@news.plex.nl> LS., Let me first introduce myself. I=92m living in Venray, Holland Europe and a member of the Dutch chapter of the EAA, the NVAV what=20 stands for the Dutch amateur aircraftbuilders association. I=92m almost completing a stretched KR2 with some wingextention and Dan Diehl type of wingtips. So basically it is a kind of KR2S. Upfront I have mounted a Limbach 2000 EO1 engine , giving 80 Hp=92s at 3400rpm. What I=92m looking for is someone who has certified his KR2S and is flying one. In order to get mine certified by the Dutch Aviation Authorities it would be a great help to submit with my application documents a copy of an already flying and certified aircraft type KR2S.=20 I'm going to be the first KR2S flying in Holland. Could somebody supply me with a name and even better an e-mailaddres of someone who would be willing to give me a copy of his airworthiness ceritficate. Thanks in advance Herman Mijling ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: naming the little planes From: "Christopher Stewart" <23cs@msn.com> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:8:46 X-Message-Number: 9 ok, heres an idea to throw around, why dont we as a group come up with an unofficial name for the KR-1, and the KR-2, after all i think we represent the majority of the builders, everyone who is interested just e-mail me or post it on the the krnet and we will go from there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Fw: naming the little planes From: "Ronald R. Eason" Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 15:01:24 -0700 X-Message-Number: 10 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF221E.77ADB7E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Stewart <23cs@msn.com> To: KR-net users group Date: Friday, October 29, 1999 12:25 PM Subject: [kr-net] naming the little planes >ok, heres an idea to throw around, why dont we as a group come up with an >unofficial name for the KR-1, and the KR-2, after all i think we represent >the majority of the builders, everyone who is interested just e-mail me or >post it on the the krnet and we will go from there. > Bad IDEA, not in favor of this, quite hypocritical of us to do it, I am NOT. KRRon ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF221E.77ADB7E0 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; name="Ronald R. Eason Sr..vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Ronald R. 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On October 22,1999, at approximately 1815 central daylight time, a Howlett KR-2, N70557V, piloted by a commercial rated pilot, was destroyed when it impacted terrain near Denison, Iowa. The 14 CFR Part 91 flight was operating in Visual Meteorological Conditions during the time of the flight. The pilot sustained fatal injuries. The personal flight originated from Ottumwa Industrial Airport, Ottumwa, Iowa at 1530 and was destined for Highmore Municipal Airport, Highmore, S. Dakota. An emergency locator transmitter signal (ELT) was received by the Fort Dodge, Iowa Flight Service Station on October 22, 1999 at 1815. A search was conducted and the airplane's wreckage was found on October 23, 1999, at 1620. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Searchable KRnet Archives From: Kimball Anderson Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 21:24:03 -0400 X-Message-Number: 13 Hi, everybody. Got a KR-related question? Chances are it's already been asked sometime in the past. Now you search the KRnet archives for the answer. Go the FAQ ( http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking ) and click on the first button, "Introduction." At the bottom of the list you will find a link to the KRnet Archive Search. This search engine will allow you to search through an archive of daily digests dating from about April of '97 to present. More digests will be added as I get them converted. Enter your search terms in the box and let the search engine do its thing. You will be presented with a list of documents that match your search criteria. You can further narrow the search at this point if you want to. Depending on how many posts there were that day, a digest can be a fairly lengthy document. Once you select an archive from your search results, there is a linked list of "subjects" at the top of each digest so that you can navigate through the document down to the messages you want to see. Be aware, though, that sometimes the "subject" doesn't match the content of the message, since oftentimes people don't change the "subject" on their message when the topic gets changed. You can also use your brower's Search ability to search through the digest for words that relate to whatever it is you're looking for. There is also a "browse" utility available so you can browse through the digests by date. There's a heck of a lot of information in those archives. It's worth the effort to search through them. The digest documents are stored on the Xoom web site (hey, they offer FREE unlimited web space) so you'll get Xoom's banner whenever you retrieve an archive. Also, the company that indexes the archives (for FREE, of course) puts up advertisements for their clients. In case anybody wonders, that's why you're seeing adds on the pages. Walt Lounsbery is working on a version that will search and retrieve individual messages. I think that's going to be the hot ticket when he gets it done, and it'll probably replace this one sometime in the future. Special thanks to John Bouyea for maintaining the archives all these years. This search facility would not be possible without his efforts. Everybody send him a note and give him a big "Thanks." Happy searching. Kimball Anderson isleno@hargray.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Landing Gear Parts From: GARYKR2@cs.com Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 21:50:49 EDT X-Message-Number: 14 I'm looking for parts that fit the retract gear, KR2 type. Since some of you folks are installing fixed gear, I would like to purchase your old parts. Send a list of what you have, and how much for each part or for the whole lot. Gary Hinkle Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Replies...Yes or No? From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:48:48 -0700 X-Message-Number: 15 > > "ME TOO" to your response Michael, that we should not limit information > availability to everyone willing to log on and read it!! FYI, I have been a > lurker here for some time and never responded in past. Yes, I have read a > lot of the debates and abuses. But that is freedom of speech! The very > thing we all want! I have a delete key -- If the first few lines of > something doesn't interest me, delete and go on. I'd rather see it all > rather than just questions that never get answered. Without new answers > (the old pros know the 'old' answers) we'd never get new ideas for > improvements. All old answers are not wrong, but they have the tried and > true experience. > OK, I'm probably gonna regret this, but I'm gonna ask for an informal vote over the weekend. Please send to me off line using the mailto line in my signature. Yes - means I'll turn automatic replies to the net back on. No - means I'll leave it like it is. Ross and I will fight it out later. :o) Voting ends Sunday evening. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213w construction and first flight at http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: naming the little planes From: Michael Taglieri Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 00:23:59 -0400 X-Message-Number: 16 >ok, heres an idea to throw around, why dont we as a group come up with an >unofficial name for the KR-1, and the KR-2, after all i think we represent >the majority of the builders, everyone who is interested just e-mail me or >post it on the the krnet and we will go from there. * * * >Geez guys lighten' up i ment not to change the designation name i.e KR-2S, >but mearley give it a after name.... for example like the military names >ther aircraft. names like "Eagle" or "Falcon", get the picture by the way >it was just an idea. I have to say this new method of not having posts go to the list really stinks. This was an slightly oddball idea but still interesting and worth thinking about. Apparently lots of people immediately sent the person who posted it negative comments, all but one of which were not put on the list. Is this going to happen on every thread? It's probably too late to do anything about the name, but I'm also sorry Ken Rand didn't have enough imagination to think up a real name for his plane instead of just using his initials. Planes with names seem to stick in the public's mind better. There's probably ten times as many Cessna 150's flying as Piper Cubs, but when they want to describe a small plane, which name do the newspapers pick? Mike Taglieri ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! 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