From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 12:38 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: October 31, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Sunday, October 31, 1999. 1. Your Airplane Name 2. Re: kr2 for sale 3. Re: Your Airplane Name 4. Smooth Prime 5. New Names for Our Planes 6. Re: Your Airplane Name 7. Fw: Your Airplane Name 8. My Wife's Name Idea 9. Last Post for - Calgary KR Day ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Your Airplane Name From: Laheze@aol.com Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 09:13:21 EST X-Message-Number: 1 When I see an airplane that I like, for example a KR2 and buy a set of plans to duplicate it, if I follow the plans exactly I have indeed built a KR2. If I decide that the designer has done some things wrong and change his design buy making the fuselage longer, or wider, or more narrow, or a different wing, then I have built my own design, it is no longer legally a KR2. I should change the name to The Larry Special or whatever excites me. When I make changes to the airframe I have created something that has not been flight tested and now could be dangerous, or at least unexplored to this point. If I name this thing a KR2, go fly it and get hurt or killed, then I have given the designer and anyone else that has built to specs a bad name. I have created a misconception in that all would think I was killed or mamed in a KR2 when it was actually something different. All alive designers will tell you not to change their designs and if you do to change the name of your creation to something else. So if you have changed the basic design then have fun coming up with a new name for your plane . Please do not take this wrong I would be the first in line to make changes to a basic KR2 like many of you have. I am sure that they are probably improvements to the basic concept and maybe a lot better flying airplane, but it is not a KR2 anymore. Larry Howell laheze@aol.com KR2 rebuilder, almost flyer "What is this thing it does look different I don't think it is a KR2 though" Rockwall, Tx ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: kr2 for sale From: Flyer2mc@aol.com Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 09:23:07 EST X-Message-Number: 2 I am interested in the kr2 that you have for sale.Please send pictures that you might have available . Any more information you might also have. I can be reached at 502-933-1282 . Steve Sutton 3310 Gatecreek Rd Louisville Ky 40272 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Your Airplane Name From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 08:48:12 -0800 X-Message-Number: 3 On Sun, 31 Oct 1999 09:13:21 EST Laheze@aol.com writes: > When I see an airplane that I like, for example a KR2 and buy a set of plans to > duplicate it, if I follow the plans exactly I have indeed built a KR2. If I decide that > the designer has done some things wrong and change his design buy making > the fuselage longer, or wider, or more narrow, or a different wing, then I have built > my own design, it is no longer legally a KR2. I should change the name to > The Larry Special or whatever excites me. > When I make changes to the airframe I have created something that has not been > flight tested and now could be dangerous, or at least unexplored to this point. > If I name this thing a KR2, go fly it and get hurt or killed, then I have given the > designer and anyone else that has built to specs a bad name. I have created a > misconception in that all would think I was killed or mamed in a KR2 when it was > actually something different. > All alive designers will tell you not to change their designs and if you do to change > the name of your creation to something else. So if you have changed the basic > design then have fun coming up with a new name for your plane . > > Please do not take this wrong I would be the first in line to make changes to a > basic KR2 like many of you have. I am sure that they are probably improvements > to the basic concept and maybe a lot better flying airplane, but it is not a KR2 > anymore. > > Larry Howell That is simply part of building your own airplane. That is why yours would be registered as a "howell kr-2" and mine is registered as a "scott kr-2s". That isn't done for vanity. The FAA and designers want them registered that way. In my own ignorance, I attempted to register my plane as a "kr-2s". During the inspection, the DAR asked me to change the application paperwork. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213w construction and first flight at http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Smooth Prime From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 11:09:20 EST X-Message-Number: 4 Oscar, and other concerned builders. To answer a building question, no I don't think that it matters whether you apply a light coat of dark primer on top of smooth prime to identify high/low spots on your layups. The new smooth prime has the UV blended in so that you apply it along with the pinhole killer in one application. Poly Fiber used to sell gray UV separately. You may call them and see if they still have any of that left over. Probably would be great for what you are looking for. If you can't get any, just be sure that what you use does not have any oil it (probably doesn't anyway) because the smooth prime is water based. This is in response to Oscar's question concerning using a dark colored primer over smooth prime to sand on in an attempt to identify imperfections in the his layups. It's a little more difficult for me to "pull" the prior post from the digest to stick it in my response, but I hope that this helps. Dana Overall 2000 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: New Names for Our Planes From: "Walter Lounsbery" Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 11:18:29 -0600 X-Message-Number: 5 I think it is very important, when naming a KR-whatever, to keep some sense of tradition. I have assembled a list of names that still retain the KR naming and legacy so that future generations will appreciate the origin of their wonderful airplane. Feel free to use any of these in naming your own version: KRamer - wasn't that show great? VolksKRagen - This name works on so many levels... BleepKR - For the words you start to say after sanding too much KRanapple - some people think KR builders are fruits, anyway SpeedKRam - Actually, the other fast planes also have dinky cockpits KRusty - Maybe this applies to the 'heavy' ones with too much epoxy PoKRmon - Instantly becomes the most popular homebuilt ever Walter Lounsbery POB 54266 Hurst, TX 76054 (817) 285-8520 Walt@Lounsbery.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Your Airplane Name From: Collins Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 20:02:08 -0500 X-Message-Number: 6 I think when an experimental airplane "goes down" and the NTBS inspects = its, it will some something to the effect "Collins built KR2" which = would lead me to believe that the original designer is not the builder = and is likely not responsible for the accident. Any comments on this = one? Rick Collins N886KR "Little Beast" :) 8775 E. 600 S. Upland, IN 46989 mailto:collinsr@comteck.com ---------- From: jscott.pilot@juno.com [SMTP:jscott.pilot@juno.com] Sent: Sunday, October 31, 1999 11:48 AM To: KR-net users group Subject: [kr-net] Re: Your Airplane Name On Sun, 31 Oct 1999 09:13:21 EST Laheze@aol.com writes: > When I see an airplane that I like, for example a KR2 and buy a set of plans to > duplicate it, if I follow the plans exactly I have indeed built a KR2. If I decide that > the designer has done some things wrong and change his design buy making > the fuselage longer, or wider, or more narrow, or a different wing, then I have built > my own design, it is no longer legally a KR2. I should change the name to=20 > The Larry Special or whatever excites me. > When I make changes to the airframe I have created something that has not been > flight tested and now could be dangerous, or at least unexplored to this point. > If I name this thing a KR2, go fly it and get hurt or killed, then I have given the > designer and anyone else that has built to specs a bad name. I have created a > misconception in that all would think I was killed or mamed in a KR2 when it was > actually something different. > All alive designers will tell you not to change their designs and if you do to change > the name of your creation to something else. So if you have changed = the basic > design then have fun coming up with a new name for your plane . >=20 > Please do not take this wrong I would be the first in line to make changes to a > basic KR2 like many of you have. I am sure that they are probably improvements > to the basic concept and maybe a lot better flying airplane, but it is not a KR2 > anymore. >=20 > Larry Howell=20 That is simply part of building your own airplane. That is why yours would be registered as a "howell kr-2" and mine is registered as a = "scott kr-2s". That isn't done for vanity. The FAA and designers want them registered that way. In my own ignorance, I attempted to register my plane as a "kr-2s".=20 During the inspection, the DAR asked me to change the application paperwork. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213w construction and first flight at=20 http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: collinsr@comteck.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Fw: Your Airplane Name From: "J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd." Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 19:54:21 -0600 X-Message-Number: 7 -----Original Message----- From: Laheze@aol.com To: KR-net users group Date: Sunday, October 31, 1999 8:13 AM Subject: [kr-net] Your Airplane Name >When I see an airplane that I like, for example a KR2 and buy a set of plans >to >duplicate it, if I follow the plans exactly I have indeed built a KR2. If I >decide that >the designer has done some things wrong and change his design buy making >the fuselage longer, or wider, or more narrow, or a different wing, then I >have built >my own design, it is no longer legally a KR2. I should change the name to >The Larry Special or whatever excites me. >When I make changes to the airframe I have created something that has not been >flight tested and now could be dangerous, or at least unexplored to this >point. >If I name this thing a KR2, go fly it and get hurt or killed, then I have >given the >designer and anyone else that has built to specs a bad name. I have created a >misconception in that all would think I was killed or mamed in a KR2 when it >was >actually something different. >All alive designers will tell you not to change their designs and if you do >to change >the name of your creation to something else. So if you have changed the basic >design then have fun coming up with a new name for your plane . > >Please do not take this wrong I would be the first in line to make changes to >a >basic KR2 like many of you have. I am sure that they are probably >improvements >to the basic concept and maybe a lot better flying airplane, but it is not a >KR2 >anymore. > >Larry Howell >laheze@aol.com >KR2 rebuilder, almost flyer "What is this thing it does look different I >don't think > it is a KR2 though" >Rockwall, Tx the FAA would call it a KR2 or KR1 in a accident report no matter how much changes it has. KRRon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: My Wife's Name Idea From: "Walter Lounsbery" Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:40:43 -0600 X-Message-Number: 8 A spousal dictum requires that I pass along an addition set of KR names (some wives don't know when to leave something be!). Here they are (you may reply to Karen@Lounsbery.com). KRazy - gee, I wonder where this came from? KRanium - mine is hurting already, she wants me to pass along "out of mind, out of flight", whatever that means uKRanus - um, I think things are getting just a little abusive now...(she sez it's for an "out of this world aircraft") Walter Lounsbery POB 54266 Hurst, TX 76054 (817) 285-8520 Walt@Lounsbery.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Last Post for - Calgary KR Day From: "Rick Hubka" Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:02:42 -0700 X-Message-Number: 9 Hi KRNetters - This is my fourth & final Post to KRNet on this subject ... Several KR builders up in Western Canada (who did not make it to this years KR gathering. I'm going next year!) are having a 1 day KR builders day in Calgary on November 13. So if you are near Calgary Canada on November 13 you will be very welcome to attend. We currently have 15 attendee's. 1 from California (Wendell Hinman) He's making a special trip with his son Sean to come out and meet us. Bring your parka Wendell. It snowed today. 3 from Regina Canada. They already know to bring a parka. the rest are from Calgary Canada Place: 65 Butler Crescent NW Calgary, Alberta, Canada H: (403) 284-5126 Time: Saturday November 13th, 1999 10am to 8pm Most of the time will be in my garage ( 32' X 24' heated with a bar fridge) with my KR boat and a dozen chairs! We have a tentative agenda which is majorly flexible. Agenda *** Jean Peters ( Mr. Sitka Spuce) owner of Western Aircraft Supplies will be in attendance. Jean can answer all your wood construction concerns and I have heard he will have Epoxy Resin for sale. *** Adrian Carter ( a veteran KR2 Builder) will be doing a Fiber Glass demo!!! 10:00 am - Arrive and do the hi/hello thing - Hot Wire a couple of 1 Ft sample wings ( I purchased the $27.00 Hot Wire Kit from A.S.) 1 hour - Apply some filler (Super Fill) to a dent in one. Drink beer & chat while filler dries 12:00 BBQ burgers & dogs and more beer. 13:00 Fiber Glassing Demo - Sand the filler & foam ( may need a blow dryer to dry it) - Apply a layer of fiberglass to one mini wing - 1/2 hour - Apply a layer of Carbon fiber to the other- 1/2 hour - Discuss Fiber Glassing, Glass balloons, Flox, Post Curing and building molds etc. Adrian has considerable experience. 1 hr 15:00 - Open discussion about the new airfoil and check out the WAF's & new airfoil templates from T.E.T. - Drink more beer and check out the new Dragon Fly Canopy - Drink more beer and send a group message to KRNet telling the boys what we're up to. Discuss engines ( I've got my 110 HP corvair engine), wings, composites, instruments, control hardware, wood, etc....... 18:00 - Walk ( because we've had too much beer) to one of a few nice restaurants within 10 min's walk. - Have a nice dinner... more KR talk... more beer... 20:00 - Take a taxi/cab to a hotel if you've had too much beer or I can accommodate 2 guests in my house. We have already attracted 15 builders for our Calgary KR day , but could squeeze in 1 or 2 more. Requirements - BYOB and buy your own dinner at the restaurant. I'll have a plentifull supply of pop, coffee and free ( dot 5% beer). That's my building beer!! If you'd like to come or want more info please email me "privately"... (NOT KRNET) Rick Hubka Email: rick@hubka.com Web Site: www.hubka.com Calgary, Alberta, Canada --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com