From: "KR-net users group digest" To: "kr-net digest recipients" Subject: kr-net digest: November 28, 1999 Date: Monday, November 29, 1999 12:15 AM KR-net users group Digest for Sunday, November 28, 1999. 1. re Props 2. Newby TOTW FREE Alum 3. normalizing annealed 4130 steel 4. project viking 5. Re: normalizing annealed 4130 steel 6. Re: project viking 7. Re: normalizing annealed 4130 steel 8. Re: inspection checklist 9. Stuff for sale 10. KR2S Speed -vs- Hp 11. Re: KR2S Speed -vs- Hp 12. Re: KR2S Speed -vs- Hp 13. project for sale 14. Canopy replacement ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: re Props From: "Richard Parker" Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 06:16:49 PST X-Message-Number: 1 Yes I have a DD soob. The turbo isnt on it yet. I want to get a wood prop for some static testing and flush any bugs out of my engine before I put the turbo on. I figure I'd get one that I could resell to someone on this list after I'm done with it and before I buy the warp drive. Rich P >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard if varys depending on prop maker but the 1835s run a 52x42-48 (again depending on make) and the 2180s run 52X48-51. There are two KRs at my airport, one with a 2070 Revmaster and he runs a 52X51 (Sterba) and the other has a GPASC 2180 and it runs a 52X48 (Sterba). They both turn pretty much the same RPM. Now go figure that one out! :o) I think the 52X48 is a good prop to start with. I thought you were planning a DD Subaru Turbo? --- Richard Parker wrote: >What size props are you guys typically running on >the 1835's vs 2100's >on kr2s. Also If anyone has one that they are >interested in selling let me >know the details. > >Rich Parker >Peterborough, NH ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Newby TOTW FREE Alum From: RFG842@aol.com Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:01:08 EST X-Message-Number: 2 It's been said before, but bears repeating, one of the best sources of NON STRUCTURAL aluminum is your local rain gutter installer. Around here the aluminum sheet handled by the gutter installers that make their own gutters comes in .027 and .033 in both black and white. They buy it in rolls 18" wide and 100 feet long. Every one of them has a scrap pile of cut off sheets that can be had for the asking. Even Home Depot sells matching spray paint. Just finished a mount for my gas valve for my wing tanks to mount to the front of the main spar. Even though it didn't need it, I painted it to cover the bolt heads. Will be working on a cover for the gasolator and Facut fuel pump on the firewall for radiant heat protection. It can't get any better than free. Bob ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: normalizing annealed 4130 steel From: "Stefan B." Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 16:42:43 +0100 X-Message-Number: 3 --------------44E5A99BD9BC7D0233B43864 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have bought some annealed 4130 steel sheet and I am constructing my WAF's and gear leg fittings. I would like to temper these parts to the N condition. Could I normalize them directly from the annealed condition or I have first to harden them prior to normalizing? Thanks in advance. Stefan Balatchev, Paris, France mail me --------------44E5A99BD9BC7D0233B43864 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have bought some annealed 4130 steel sheet and I am constructing my WAF's and gear leg fittings. I would like to temper these parts to the N condition. Could I normalize them directly from the annealed condition or I have first to harden them prior to normalizing?
Thanks in advance.

Stefan Balatchev,
Paris, France
mail me
 
  --------------44E5A99BD9BC7D0233B43864-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: project viking From: "Richard Parker" Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 09:10:32 PST X-Message-Number: 4 Can someone give me the project viking link. I seem to have lost it. Rich Parker ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: normalizing annealed 4130 steel From: Mike Mims Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 09:18:17 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Number: 5 Stefan, to save time I bought the 1.5 inch wide 4130 strips from Aircraft Spruce(part # 03-19800). This is sold in strips that are 72 inches long and cost $12 US. All I had to do was cut the pieces to length and drill the holes. The 4130 from AS&S is in the normalized state which is 90,000 psi, I think. Surely this is enough for the WAFs. If its not one of you engineers let me know so I can rip my wings apart. I used a uni-bit to drill the larger holes and it works great as long as you keep the RPMs very low and use lots of oil. Try to get your hands on at least one WAF to use as a template for drilling your holes. I have one around here somewhere if you can figure out how I can get it too you let me know. --- "Stefan B." wrote: > I have bought some annealed 4130 steel sheet and I > am constructing my WAF's and > gear leg fittings. I would like to temper these > parts to the N condition. Could I > normalize them directly from the annealed condition > or I have first to harden > them prior to normalizing? > Thanks in advance. > > Stefan Balatchev, > Paris, France > mail me > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: project viking From: Donald Reid Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 12:58:11 -0500 X-Message-Number: 6 Richard Parker wrote: > > Can someone give me the project viking link. I seem to have lost it. > http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking/ -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: normalizing annealed 4130 steel From: "Stefan B." Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 19:37:02 +0100 X-Message-Number: 7 Mike, Thanks for the instant answer and for your proposal. My problem is that I can't work with AS&S (after ordering 3 times their catalog without any answer I just decided to find something else). So, I had to buy a 105 lb., 2 m x 1 m x 3 mm 4130 plate available here only in annealed condition. It is 75,000 psi and is really easy to work. I could cut all my WAF's and gear leg fittings in 1h30 with my portable grinder. Now I am finishing drilling all the bolt holes of the 16 WAF's using a normal bit at 1000 rpm. I use each WAF as a model for the next. If someone has any ideas what kind of a modern-art monument I could build with the left 80 lb. of 4130 plate, just let me know... Stefan Balatchev. P.S. Is the uni-bit is the same as the masonry bit? Mike Mims wrote: > Stefan, to save time I bought the 1.5 inch wide 4130 > strips from Aircraft Spruce(part # 03-19800). This is > sold in strips that are 72 inches long and cost $12 > US. All I had to do was cut the pieces to length and > drill the holes. The 4130 from AS&S is in the > normalized state which is 90,000 psi, I think. Surely > this is enough for the WAFs. If its not one of you > engineers let me know so I can rip my wings apart. I > used a uni-bit to drill the larger holes and it works > great as long as you keep the RPMs very low and use > lots of oil. Try to get your hands on at least one WAF > to use as a template for drilling your holes. I have > one around here somewhere if you can figure out how I > can get it too you let me know. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: inspection checklist From: "L.Palaniappan" Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:41:24 -0800 X-Message-Number: 8 Please Rick

Send me a copy. I am still around.
The next time you land in malaysia call me up.
Lpalani

At 08:26 PM 11/19/99 +0000, you wrote:
>I have a comprehensive inspection checklist in MS Word format. Anyone who
>would like a copy can send me a private email at eaglegator@aol.com and
>I'll send it to you. I'll get it uploaded to my web page and post the URL
>at a later date.
>
>Cheers,
>Rick Junkin
>EagleGator@aol.com
>St. Charles MO
>
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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Stuff for sale From: Mike Mims Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 15:55:11 -0800 X-Message-Number: 9 Saw this on the Suabru list. Remember the peron selling this stuff is not on this list. Please contact him directly. By the way that is a GREAT price on a Dave Johnson reduction unit! (11-11-99) From John Olive: Dave Johnson Redrive For Sale. New Dave Johnson Reduction Unit for Subaru EA-81/82 (1.84:1), complete with Workbook. Purchased in 1996 for $1480, will sell for $600 plus shipping. Located in Southern CA. You may contact John by email at: detjohno@aol.com, or by telephone at (760) 240-3701. (11-11-99) From John Olive: Turbo Charger For Sale for Subaru Legacy, water-cooled. Will sell for $150 plus shipping. Located in Southern CA. You may contact John by email at: detjohno@aol.com, or by telephone at (760) 240-3701. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Sanding and Filling AGAIN! :o( http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ mirror @ http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KR2S Speed -vs- Hp From: "James Nelson" Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 22:46:23 -0500 X-Message-Number: 10 Can people comment on the Horsepower and engine requirements to attain the specs on the KR page: 200 MPH top speed, 180 MPH cruising speed? Can this be attained with anything like the 60 Hp VW engine? Thanks for the info and help, James ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR2S Speed -vs- Hp From: Mike Mims Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 19:53:38 -0800 X-Message-Number: 11 James Nelson wrote: > > Can people comment on the Horsepower and engine requirements to attain the > specs on the KR page: > > 200 MPH top speed, 180 MPH cruising speed? > > Can this be attained with anything like the 60 Hp VW engine? > They (Rand Robinson) refer to 200 mph as "top speed" but what it really means is VNE. Very few KRs fly 200 mph straight and level. Actually very few fly 180 mph straight and level. The ones that I have seen obtain this speed were running a 100hp O-200 Continental. Roy Marshs KR2 with a 80 hp Revmaster Turbo would do 180mph but he also had a faster airfoil (23012). There may be a VW powered KR out there somewhere that does 200 mph but 155 to 160 is more like it. Heck the 2180 VW powered KR2S are cruising around 140 mph. If you think your gonna cruise at 180 to 200 mph on a VW you might want to re-think! :o) By the way the two KR2s at my airport cruise about 135 to 145 mph and they have 2180s installed. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Sanding and Filling AGAIN! :o( http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ mirror @ http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR2S Speed -vs- Hp From: "James Nelson" Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 23:01:26 -0500 X-Message-Number: 12 > If you think your gonna cruise at 180 to 200 > mph on a VW you might want to re-think! :o) I'm re-thinking. I don't want to build the bird unless it's going to be fast. That rotary engine is sounding better all the time. James ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: project for sale From: Tim Key Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 23:23:28 -0500 X-Message-Number: 13 FOR SALE- KR2 PROJECT IS LOCATED IN ORLANDO, FL. WILL SALE FOR 900 or BEST OFFER TUB STAGE FUSALAGE, TAIL, SPARS, ON TAIL RAGGER/RETRACT GEAR, WITH CANOPY . BOOKS AND VARIOUS HARDWARE/EPOXIES FURTHER INFO AT timkey@gdi.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Canopy replacement From: "Troy A. Miller" Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 20:54:33 X-Message-Number: 14 I am in need of a new canopy as my plexiglas is broken. Does any one have one for sal? Or is it better to contact Rand Robinson? Does any one know an approximate price? --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@ipinc.net To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-110995W@telelists.com