From: "KR-net users group digest" To: "kr-net digest recipients" Subject: kr-net digest: December 04, 1999 Date: Sunday, December 05, 1999 12:15 AM KR-net users group Digest for Saturday, December 04, 1999. 1. Re: Re: KR2S Speed -vs- Hp 2. Re: Starters 3. Re: Plexiglas Questions 4. Re: fushlsge foam and fiberglass 5. Re: kr-net digest: December 02, 1999 6. Re: Plexiglas Questions 7. Re: Plexiglas Questions 8. Re: fushlsge foam and fiberglass 9. Re: Plexiglas Questions 10. Re: Plexiglas Questions 11. Richard Parker 12. Wanted - KR-2 or KR-2S project 13. Re: Hanger/Garage Sale, I Quit! 14. Re: Hanger/Garage Sale, I Quit! 15. Re: Plexiglas Questions ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Re: KR2S Speed -vs- Hp From: DThomas773@aol.com Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 05:28:05 EST X-Message-Number: 1 What are the weight , cost and HP numbers on a Subaru? Dennisthomas ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Starters From: "Timothy Bellville" Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 08:48:28 -0500 X-Message-Number: 2 Two days ago I down loaded a post off the Dragonfly net about Subaru starters for a VW. So the next day I ran out to my local junk yard to get one, I believe it will be possible to adapt this to my engine even thow it doesn't bolt directly up to the accessory case. I have an old "Volkspower" case and flywheel , with the starter mounting pad on top. Does anyone have any experience with this and possibly a template? Tim> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Plexiglas Questions From: "Timothy Bellville" Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 09:30:40 -0500 X-Message-Number: 3 When it came time to build the canopy for my Sonerai, I decided to try an= d blow my own. I did this by using a 2' x4' x5/8" piece of plywood as a bas= e with a hole dead center for an air fitting. Then I calculated the desired width of the bubble and added 4" ( to allow for expansion) then I found t= he desired length and times that by two. This gave me the approximate dementions of the bottom of the bubble . After cutting the elliptical sh= ape out another piece of plywood, I beveled the parameter to aid the "Lexan" past the form. I then placed a 1/8" piece of Lexan( with to protective covering removed)= , Between the base and form, and sandwich them together using drywall screw= s around the parameter threw pre-drilled holes. You may want to seal the Le= xan to the base with high temp silicone. I then placed the entire assembly in an industrial oven an heated for twe= nty min. at 350 degrees F. After removal I immediately applied 90 psi to the air fitting with the mo= ld upside down between two saw horses. It took two trys or reheating to get the lexan to expand to the desired size. When finished, If done right, you will have two useable bubbles for your canopy. Masonry drill bits work well for drilling Lexan, and I recommend a Dremal for cutting. Total cost : $50.00, (No bull) Tim -----Original Message----- From: apecorar@steelcase.com To: KR-net users group Date: Friday, December 03, 1999 1:42 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Plexiglas Questions >On 12/03/99, "Mike Mims " wrote: >> For those of you who don=92t want to heat up plexiglass >> the original KR2 canopy bubble makes great windows for >> gull wing canopies ... >> My windshield is flat wrap (cold) 1/8 inch plexi. My canopy is almost = a 100% >> replica of Troy Petteways so I am sure it will work >> just fine. > >Mike, > >I have 2 concerns about using 1/8" plexiglas on the windshield: > >1) How would a birdstrike affect a 1/8" vs a 1/4" windshield? I know 1/4= " >is heavier, but is the strength gain worth it? > >2) How much difference is there in noise reduction between using the 1/8= " >vs the 1/4"? > >If there is not that much difference between using 1/8" instead of 1/4", >then I have one less hassle to worry about! ;-) > >Thanks, > >Albert >mailto:apecorar@steelcase.com > >P.S. - Thanks also to everyone who replied to me directly! :-) > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: tbellville@mindspring.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-110995W@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: fushlsge foam and fiberglass From: "Stefan B." Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 15:36:06 +0100 X-Message-Number: 4 I have read that using a composite structure where the two structural layers have different elasticity modules is as efficient as a structure with only one layer - this one with the higher module. For instant, combinations like plywood/glass or glass/carbone. Stefan Balatchev France ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: kr-net digest: December 02, 1999 From: Gognij@aol.com Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 10:05:27 EST X-Message-Number: 5 Fred, I think you are starting to build the WRONG airplane for you! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Plexiglas Questions From: apecorar@steelcase.com Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 7:27:20 X-Message-Number: 6 On 12/03/99, "Michael Taglieri " wrote: > >Any bird that is large enough to make it > >through the prop is gonna make it through the > >windshield too (1/4 inch or...). Not to mention your > >prop is gonna shatter so you would have a lot of > >problems to work out in a very short time. Do you run > >into birds a lot where you fly? > > Hard to believe this kind of thing could happen to anybody more than > once. > > Mike Taglieri I fly mostly out of Detroit City Airport, but I have also flown from Windsor, Ontario, Canada. Generally, I am close to the shores of the Great Lakes area - I have done a bit of "formation flying" with sea gulls on certain occasions! ;-) Also, there were a few times where crows presented a problem. I recall one Saturday afternoon when I was practicing takeoffs/landings flying dual with my CFI out of Detroit City that there were crows all over the airfield. On several takeoffs and landings they flew right in front of me. I have never smacked into a bird but I came pretty close on more than one occasion. We had to call tower and ask them to send some people onto the airfield to scare them away. It was funny watching the guys drive around in circles honking their horns to get the birds to fly away. After a few minutes they dispersed and settled in an area away from the airfield. Another time I recall doing my solo X-country from Detroit City north to Bad Axe (in the "thumb" of Michigan) in the autumn. Lots of crows and seagulls in the air. So, to answer the original question - "Do I run into birds a lot where I fly?" - I encounter a lot of birds where I fly. That is why I brought up the question about plexiglas thickness. I meant it in all honesty. :-) Thank-you gentlemen, Albert Pecoraro mailto:apecorar@steelcase.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Plexiglas Questions From: Mike Mims Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 09:09:39 -0800 X-Message-Number: 7 Timothy Bellville wrote: > > When it came time to build the canopy for my Sonerai, I decided to try and > blow my own. I did this by using a 2' x4' x5/8" piece of plywood as a base > with a hole dead center for an air fitting. >>>> I have read about this but never seen it. It sure would be neat if we could figure out how to demo this at the gathering. Heck if someone would be willing to do this and video tape it I am willing to be the KRNet would throw in a few dollars to cover expenses. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Sanding and Filling AGAIN! :o( http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ mirror @ http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: fushlsge foam and fiberglass From: WilliamTCA@aol.com Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 12:25:28 EST X-Message-Number: 8 I have both KR2 and KR@S plans. After studying 2S drawings, I feel bringing the firewall area of a 2 fuselage up to 2S standards is all that's required to support the Corvair. Mike Garbez is doing this to his 2 right now while I am working on his firewall forward package. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Plexiglas Questions From: Donald Reid Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 12:52:32 -0500 X-Message-Number: 9 > > >Any bird that is large enough to make it > > >through the prop is gonna make it through the > > >windshield too (1/4 inch or...). Not to mention your > > >prop is gonna shatter so you would have a lot of > > >problems to work out in a very short time. Do you run > > >into birds a lot where you fly? > > > > Hard to believe this kind of thing could happen to anybody more than > > once. > > > So, to answer the original question - "Do I run into birds a lot where I > fly?" - I encounter a lot of birds where I fly. That is why I brought up > the question about plexiglas thickness. I meant it in all honesty. :-) > I have hit a bird one time. I was about five miles out and setting up for a pattern entry when there was a really loud thump and a streak of yellowish goo on the windshield of the Cessna 172. I suspect that it was a relatively small bird, no larger than a crow. I believe that I would have seen a larger one. It does get your attention when it happens. On the ground, there was no sign of any damage except for the dirty windshield. Airspeed at the time was about 95-100 knots. I do not know the thickness of a Cessna windshield, but it is sufficient. -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Plexiglas Questions From: "Bruce S. Campbell" Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 13:03:23 -0500 X-Message-Number: 10 Mike Mims wrote: > Timothy Bellville wrote: > > > > When it came time to build the canopy for my Sonerai, I decided to try and > > blow my own. I did this by using a 2' x4' x5/8" piece of plywood as a base > > with a hole dead center for an air fitting. >>>> > > I have read about this but never seen it. It sure would be neat if we > could figure out how to demo this at the gathering. Heck if someone > would be willing to do this and video tape it I am willing to be the > KRNet would throw in a few dollars to cover expenses. Where do I send the money? Bruce S. Campbell Tampa, Florida ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Richard Parker From: "Lon Boothby" Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 20:5:42 X-Message-Number: 11 Are you the Richard Parker who lives in Spokane, Wa? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Wanted - KR-2 or KR-2S project From: "Lon Boothby" Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 21:5:33 X-Message-Number: 12 I am looking for a KR project that someone has started that I can trade my 1989 Yamaha Four-wheeler for (or I have two of these four wheelers if your project is valued for that much. You can contact me at ourhomesweethome@juno.com Thanks, Lon Boothby Spokane, Wash ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Hanger/Garage Sale, I Quit! From: John Esch Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 21:18:35 -0800 X-Message-Number: 13 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------73C210B767F3E1866AB02DFF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David Did ya receive the check I sent. I have been out of the loop (vacation) and wanted to make sure you got the check John F. Esch Salem, Or David Moore wrote: > > Here is what I got: > > 1. KR2s spruce kit $600.00 > > 2. Diehl gear (tail dragger, no bottom brackets) $400.00 > > 3. RR WAF still in the box $200.00 > > 4. Homebuilt Dual stick $100.00 > > 5. KR2 set of plans (1996) with -s supplement $200.00 > > 6. A set of KR2 plans in the three ringed binder (unknown date) > Stock KR2 fuselage on the retract gear with Matco wheels and brakes, > control stick installed ( set up as a single place KR2), spars > installed with RR WAF, outboard wing spars built. > RR vw motor mount (don't know what kind) > KR2 clear canope in the frame, > KR2 rear turtle deck, > KR2 front turtle deck, > And a box of green foam > > Make me an offer! I'm selling out. > > All of this is available in Henderson NV. (just outside Las Vegas NV.) or > Apple Valley, Calif. I don't do shipping. Come to Vegas pick it up, I got a > spare room. > > Dave Moore > David G. Moore > mailto:dgmoore1@gte.net > Henderson, Nevada > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jfesch@home.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-110995W@telelists.com --------------73C210B767F3E1866AB02DFF Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="jfesch.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for John Esch Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="jfesch.vcf" begin:vcard n:Esch;John x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:jfesch@home.com fn:John F. Esch end:vcard --------------73C210B767F3E1866AB02DFF-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Hanger/Garage Sale, I Quit! From: Lon & Jody Boothby Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 22:58:51 -0800 X-Message-Number: 14 Hi Dave, Got your message about your KR-2. Are you interested in trading for a four-wheeler? I don't have cash. Do you have pictures? Thanks, Lon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Plexiglas Questions From: Bobby Muse Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 00:50:40 -0600 X-Message-Number: 15 At 10:37 AM 12/03/1999, you wrote: >On 12/03/99, "Mike Mims " wrote: >> For those of you who don=92t want to heat up plexiglass >> the original KR2 canopy bubble makes great windows for >> gull wing canopies ... >> My windshield is flat wrap (cold) 1/8 inch plexi. My canopy is almost = a 100% >> replica of Troy Petteways so I am sure it will work >> just fine. > >Mike, > >I have 2 concerns about using 1/8" plexiglas on the windshield: > >1) How would a birdstrike affect a 1/8" vs a 1/4" windshield? I know 1/4= "=20 >is heavier, but is the strength gain worth it? > >2) How much difference is there in noise reduction between using the 1/8= "=20 >vs the 1/4"? > >If there is not that much difference between using 1/8" instead of 1/4",= =20 >then I have one less hassle to worry about! ;-) > >Thanks, > >Albert > My Dad did the same as Mike did(sorta) but used lexan for the windshield instead of plexiglas. Bobby Muse N122B - Wimberley, TX mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@ipinc.net To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-110995W@telelists.com