From: "KR-net users group digest" To: "kr-net digest recipients" Subject: kr-net digest: December 30, 1999 Date: Friday, December 31, 1999 12:16 AM KR-net users group Digest for Thursday, December 30, 1999. 1. Aircraft construction 2. Re: Registration & State taxation 3. Taxation Without Reprsentaion 4. Re: Instument Panel 5. Re: Instrument Panel Opppsss 6. Re: Re: easy question/difficult answer 7. taxes 8. OK, Did I just insure that I'll have problems? 9. Re: OK, Did I just insure that I'll have problems? 10. Re: OK, Did I just insure that I'll have problems? 11. KR2-S ENGINE COWL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Aircraft construction From: RFG842@aol.com Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 03:46:06 EST X-Message-Number: 1 Bill Guess you have to answer a few personal questions first to yourself. Yes, the building goes on and on. I've got 4 years in my project with another year or two to go. Yesterday it was work on the project or rake the lawn. The lawn got raked. But after spending my life in the financial field, working with wood and my hands is the best relaxation I can find and even if the project never gets finished, the hours I've spent sure beats laying on a couch in a doctor's office. The KR is a special kind of project. The plans are kind of indistinct in may areas, the plane is too small in cockpit width and everyone builds the plane differently. It is not a project for a person who cannot read, plan and ferret things out for himself. However the KR Net and other homebuilders are a generous lot, eager to help and free with their time and information. The annual gathering is a great place to meet other builders and see the fruits of their labor. When you're finished, theye can be nothing like the feeling that "I built that". Good luck, Bob ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Registration & State taxation From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 06:52:25 EST X-Message-Number: 2 Free advice from" Dana C. Overall Certified Public Accountant (the clock doesn't start running until after January 1:-) Your "airplane" is nothing more than a hobby until you officially receive your N number from the FAA. At that point in time the taxing authorities receive notification from the FAA. Upon receiving your certificate, take it and some recent photos, to your local tax assessor and place a true value on the project. All property is taxed at it's fair market value, nothing more, nothing less. Certainly do not value the airplane at more than what you have spent on it, up to that point. Each year up it a little, but don't pay more taxes just to make yourself feel better. If it will help your position, take in a trade a plane with a couple adds or a copy of the newsletters that have KRs for sale at 55% complete $3500.00. If you have a "custom" number, believe it or not, the state has the right to tax the number as an intangible asset. Most likely won't but they can. Another issue that you may have to address is the unpaid sales tax. When you buy materials, pay the sales tax at the point of purchase. Your state has the authority to make you produce all receipts of material purchased without sales tax paid, and make you pay a use tax. I hope this answers the questions. Dana C. Overall 2000 Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Taxation Without Reprsentaion From: "Capps Family" Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 06:03:58 -0600 X-Message-Number: 3 This brings up a great point Dana makes (see below). Your creation (you're the manufacturer) can also be used as a tax shelter. If your plane can be shown at aircraft gatherings (3 a year I think) you have the right to tax breaks on the cost of operation, travel, and ownership. I do not at this time have the materials in front of me but I would like to hear others opinions as related to the taxing authority and your plane as a business. Larry Larry A. Capps Naperville, IL capps@mediaone.net -----Original Message----- Subject: [kr-net] Re: Registration & State taxation Free advice from" Dana C. Overall Certified Public Accountant (the clock doesn't start running until after January 1:-) I hope this answers the questions. Dana C. Overall ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Instument Panel From: "Rick Hubka" Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 08:35:23 -0700 X-Message-Number: 4 Thanks Mark I now have a mock panel in place. I printed off your Spar building section from the net and am heading out today to buy more clamps. I am also going to stop in at some scap metal shops for some Aluminum angle for bracing/clamping my spars and later to be used fora sanding bars. Thanks... Are you and Dean going to be making Gear leg brackets? If yes, mark me down for a set. This brings up a question I've been pondering lately. If I resort to buying Dan Dielhs Gear I will have to add in some Spruce to the bottom of the top (forward center spars) because I will be using the new airfoil. But are Dan's gear legs long enough? Like you, I have a Corvair engine and will be building it up to about 130 HP. (I just cut out the Bell Housing piece last week but will be leaving the rest fo some future time) Along with this extra Corvair HP, I am assuming I will be using a slightly larger prop to utilize it. This is why I am thinking Dan's gear legs will not be long enough. From what I have searched for and read in past KTNet emails is that some builder feel his gear legs are too short already but he has to make them this way to utilize all the material in the expensive 3M fiber board he cuts them all from. I would have no problem building my own gear legs like Mike Mimm's or Dr. Dean but if I can buy the right legs, I'll go that way instead. Sorry Mark... I really had not intending asking this Gear leg question. I was initially going to just say thanks and ask if you wre building Gear brackets but my fingers just kept typing.... Take Care PS... So far I plan to make it to the gathering this September. I know you'll be there with your new KR this year. Can I ask for a ride now? Rick Hubka Email: rick@hubka.com Web Site: www.hubka.com Calgary, Alberta, Canada My thought for the day: "I started out with nothing & still have most of it left" ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Langford To: KR-net users group Sent: Friday, December 24, 1999 7:11 AM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Instument Panel > Rick Hubka wrote: > > > In regards to Instruments panel. The plans don't really define an exact > > forward/aft position. For a KR-2S, could a few builders using DF Canopies > > send me location measurements for/aft and the height of the instument > panel > > referencing above and below the top of the longeron. > > Rick, > > Check out the picture at the bottom of > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kpanel.html for excruciating details of how > I did my panel. I apologize for the hundredths in the dimensions, but it > was set that way and I was too lazy to change it. The reason there are no > nice round numbers is because I did this with bspline curves, rather than a > series of radiuses. It was easier to just let the software make a nice > curve "on the fly", but it approximates the firewall shape. The 7" > dimension is from longeron top to top of panel. I got that by scaling off > of the RR side view KR2S drawing. It hangs down 2" below the top of the > longeron, and I still have loads of leg room below. > > My panel is located 24.375 inches from the front end of the fuselage which > is to say that it is positioned so that it could be fastened at the bottom > to the forward edge of the forward main spar vertical. I'm using the > Dragonfly canopy (or is that canapee?) > > The dotted line at the bottom is a bend line. Bending back 90 degrees here > eliminates the sharp edge that could cut my legs off in a crash, and really > strengthens the panel in all directions for a few ounces of extra aluminum. > This ledge also makes a handy place for a buss bar, mounting relays or > terminal strips, or mounting headphone jacks, etc. > > I'm building my panel now, and have all of the instruments in except the > Engine Information System, which I'm waiting on till the engine is in. The > aluminum panel you see on the web page was a prototype. The bottom drawing > is the latest, and will be cut in the next week or so... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rick@hubka.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-110995W@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Instrument Panel Opppsss From: "Rick Hubka" Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 08:58:43 -0700 X-Message-Number: 5 Sorry Guys. That last email was mean to go to Mark Langford only and not to 500 KR Builders... I guess we have all done this at least once. Rick Hubka ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Re: easy question/difficult answer From: BILLatMT@aol.com Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 17:27:59 EST X-Message-Number: 6 Ross Thanks for your thoughts, I sort of like the part about being the nutty guy building an airplane, I think I could find a bit of comfort in that. LOL. Bill ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: taxes From: Stickandrudder@cs.com Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 20:28:22 EST X-Message-Number: 7 The state of NH only taxes functional aircraft. If you have an antique down for major repairs, call the state and they will not tax you until it's back to certified. Homebuilts are only taxed when finished and begin to fly. Source- head of state div of aeronautics @EAA 336 meeting. Paul ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: OK, Did I just insure that I'll have problems? From: "Wendell Hinman" Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 18:58:16 -0800 X-Message-Number: 8 Guys, I was gluing up my gussets, using T-88. My wife is an RN, she gave me a box of surgical gloves. Price is right, but.... while I was glueing, one developed a hole in one of the fingers. I didn't notice it for quite a while I think, by the nasty on the end of my middle digit. As soon as I noticed I washed it off with soap and water, lots. So far no rash, but its two gloves on each hand now. What do you think? Wendell (Wendy) Hinman whin@msn.com Ontario, Ca ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: OK, Did I just insure that I'll have problems? From: WA7YXF@aol.com Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 22:45:37 EST X-Message-Number: 9 You'll be OK.. We all have different levels of tolerance. I became sensitized due to neglect after quite a while and even now I only break out a little bit and its no problem, and that's only if I get it on me. I have been playing (working) with T-88 for more than 15 years now. Lynn Hyder WA7YXF Redmond, Oregon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: OK, Did I just insure that I'll have problems? From: Ash4490886@aol.com Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 22:50:45 EST X-Message-Number: 10 Hi, I've had T-88 on hands many times...forgot gloves, etc. I've had no problems that I can link to T-88. Phil ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KR2-S ENGINE COWL From: LBuck10019@aol.com Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 23:03:56 EST X-Message-Number: 11 Hey Everyone, I'm a month or so away from flying N712LC, my new KR2-S. I'm close to having everything done with the exception of the engine cowl. I spoke to Jeanette Rand and apparently the guy with the tooling for the new cowl has moved to OK. and is not producing on a timely basis. AQnyhow, I need that new cowl. If anyone has one and they are either not going to finish, or if you're a long ways off from completion, please let me know. Thanks, Lloyd Buckner --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@ipinc.net To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-110995W@telelists.com