From: "KR-net users group digest" To: "kr-net digest recipients" Subject: kr-net digest: February 08, 2000 Date: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 12:04 AM KR-NET Digest2 for Tuesday, February 08, 2000. 1. Re: KR2 Models 2. Re: DIY Avionics 3. Re: Ray-Jay for 2100 Revmaster.. How to?????? 4. Re: Aerobatic manouvers 5. Re: FWD. CG. 6. Re: kr-net digest: February 07, 2000 7. Re: Ray-Jay for 2100 Revmaster.. How to?????? 8. Re: Aerobatic manouvers 9. Re: Aerobatic manouvers 10. Pitch Sensitivety (why stretch it) 11. Re: Aerobatic manouvers 12. Re: Pitch Sensitivety (why stretch it) 13. Re: glues 14. Re: Ray-Jay for 2100 Revmaster.. How to?????? 15. Re: Pitch Sensitivety (why stretch it) 16. Builders Log 17. Re: Pitch Sensitivety (why stretch it) 18. Re: Builders Log 19. Re: KR2 Models 20. Specs on KR-2 21. Re: KR2 Models 22. Painted 23. Re: Painted 24. Re: Drilling Wing Spars 25. Re: Pitch Sensitivety (why stretch it) 26. Aircraft Parts Site 27. Re: Builders Log 28. Re: Pitch Sensitivety (why stretch it) 29. Re: Builders Log 30. Re: Pitch Sensitivety (why stretch it) 31. Re: FWD. CG. 32. Re: Specs on KR-2 33. Cornwell's KR-2 (was pitch sensitivity) 34. Re: Ray-Jay for 2100 Revmaster.. How to?????? 35. Re: Advice for newcomer 36. Re: DIY Avionics 37. Re: KR2 Models 38. Re: dusty kr ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR2 Models From: AviationMech@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 08:49:39 EST X-Message-Number: 1 Ross add a model for Lee Robbins (AviationMech@AOL.COM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: DIY Avionics From: AviationMech@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 08:52:29 EST X-Message-Number: 2 Try RST Engineering rst-engr@oro.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Ray-Jay for 2100 Revmaster.. How to?????? From: AviationMech@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 09:04:24 EST X-Message-Number: 3 Contact Dan Diehl, he is the grandfather of the turbo KR Not sure of his E Mail add, He is in Jenks OK. He used to have KR2 N4DD and it was a turbo ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Aerobatic manouvers From: Horn2004@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 09:40:20 EST X-Message-Number: 4 In a message dated 2/7/00 9:26:54 PM, kwjordan@dhc.net writes: <<"Published G limits for the aircraft structure are plus and minus seven Gs, making the KR-2 strong enough to withstand aerobatic loads.">> If you're looking for a wooden aerobatic mount, I wouldn't recommend a KR built to plans. Rand will concur with me on this, I'm sure. If you've ever seen the Corby Starlet (another wooden airplane) under construction, I think you'd feel a lot safer flying aerobatics in that. The main spar is massive, solid wood, and stout. But keep in mind, the main spar is "scabbed" together. Steve Horn horn2004@aol.com Dallas, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: FWD. CG. From: Tom Crawford Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 09:55:49 -0500 X-Message-Number: 5 Knitehwk@aol.com wrote: > > no problem rich i understood what the weight was for was more interested in > the overall flight pitch sensitivities with the bungee you answered as > expected thank you very much > Glenn > Glenn, I tried this same thing on N262TC while trying to figure out why I could not trim the plane nose up enough on final. It did make the trim tab more effective. At slow speeds, the weight of the elevator was overcoming the air holding it up. With the elevator balanced using the bungee cord method, I could trim it as slow as I wanted on final. The problem was that on MY plane, it also greatly enhanced the pitch sensitivity in cruise. Made it real squirrely. I took the bungee cord off. -- Tom Crawford Gainesville, FL N262TC Mailto:toys@atlantic.net http://www.tomshardwoodtoys.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: kr-net digest: February 07, 2000 From: Gognij@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 10:11:30 EST X-Message-Number: 6 Hello Mark Thanks for the web address! I wish you luck on your project. I also appreciate you providing your opinion and support for an individual in whom you have faith. This positive information is also important to the other readers of the KR-Net. Jim Gogniat ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Ray-Jay for 2100 Revmaster.. How to?????? From: Mike Mims Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 08:08:21 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Number: 7 Maybe contacting Revmaster is your best bet since they sell this as an option on the 2100. http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/rev.html phone number is 760-244-3074 and tell them you got the info from my web site. Revmaster is in the process of building their own website and setting up an email account. Maybe ask them for the email address if they have it. --- JPatSig@aol.com wrote: I am writing to ask if anyone knows about the > installation of the Turbo for the 2100 Revmaster. ===== ........| .......-^- ....-/_____\- ...(O\__o__/O) ...[#]oxxxo[#] ---Y2K Beetle--- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Aerobatic manouvers From: "Wirbel@fl.freei.net" Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 12:06:18 -0500 X-Message-Number: 8 In a conversation with Jeanette Rand at Sun 'N' Fun a couple of years ago she said that KR's are capable of loops and roles. If you choose to do them often make sure the gas and oil systems are up to it. Bruce S. Campbell Tampa, Florida "Daniel John Livingstone<" wrote: > Has any of you done any sort of aeobatic manouvers with your KR? > If so/not what is the KR kapable off? > Just curious. > Danny > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: Wirbel@fl.freei.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-174247F@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Aerobatic manouvers From: Steven Eberhart Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 11:30:11 -0600 (CST) X-Message-Number: 9 On Tue, 8 Feb 2000, Wirbel@fl.freei.net wrote: > In a conversation with Jeanette Rand at Sun 'N' Fun a couple of years ago > she said that KR's are capable of loops and roles. If you choose to do > them often make sure the gas and oil systems are up to it. Most of you missed a beautiful sight on the last day of the 1999 Gathering. Jeanette Rand and I were standing out on the ramp watching the departing KRs when Troy petteway, in N100TP with the new KRNet airfoil, did a slow victory roll on climbout from his takeoff to return home, A beautiful, most fitting, conclusion to a great Gathering. What does this prove? I don't know, but after all of the work I put into the wind tunnel models for the new airfoils and all of the support from the KRNet members that financed the project, it sure was a beautiful sight. Steve Eberhart mailto:newtech@newtech.com THE WING FLIES! - http://www.newtech.com/nlf for info on the new, flight tested, KRnet/UIUC airfoils. Good job KRnet, you can be proud of your contribution to Sport Aviation. Special thanks to Dr. Ashok Gopalarathnam and Dr. Michael Selig for some great Sport Aviation airfoils. One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly food for thought requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Pitch Sensitivety (why stretch it) From: Bryce Guenther Date: 8 Feb 00 10:32:59 PST X-Message-Number: 10 HI KR-NETTERS! Suggestions often lead to innovative ideas ! Has anybody thought of making flight control's with differential elevator's ! That's = right elevators, imagine cruising along with 3" or 4" joystick travel in the ce= nter range of stick deflection and then beyond that exponential elevator defle= ction with only slight additional joystick travel for when you really need it ?= Comment's are food for thought ! Greetings Bryce! P.S. (Ailerons are differential) ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Aerobatic manouvers From: Mike Mims Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 10:04:53 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Number: 11 If you want an airplane that you can do aerobatics in forget about the KR and build yourself a Corby Starlet. The KR is just too clean to be a good aerobatic mount. This doesn't mean it can not do them, hell more than half of ALL aerobatics impose less than 2 Gs on the airframe if done properly. It just means there are better airplanes suited to this task than the KR. --- "Wirbel@fl.freei.net" wrote: > In a conversation with Jeanette Rand at Sun 'N' Fun > a couple of years ago > she said that KR's are capable of loops and roles. > If you choose to do > them often make sure the gas and oil systems are up > to it. > > Bruce S. Campbell > Tampa, Florida > > "Daniel John Livingstone<" wrote: > > > Has any of you done any sort of aeobatic manouvers > with your KR? > > If so/not what is the KR kapable off? > > Just curious. > > Danny > > > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: > Wirbel@fl.freei.net > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > leave-kr-net-174247F@telelists.com > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: > kr2sflyer@yahoo.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > leave-kr-net-116886M@telelists.com > ===== ........| .......-^- ....-/_____\- ...(O\__o__/O) ...[#]oxxxo[#] ---Y2K Beetle--- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Pitch Sensitivety (why stretch it) From: "Mark Langford" Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 12:53:06 -0600 X-Message-Number: 12 Bryce Guenther wrote: >Has anybody > thought of making flight control's with differential elevator's ! That's right > elevators, imagine cruising along with 3" or 4" joystick travel in the center > range of stick deflection and then beyond that exponential elevator deflection > with only slight additional joystick travel for when you really need it ? Yep, Howard Kaiser presented the scheme of using an eliptical bellcrank/pulley in which he did exactly that. The cable rode in a the pulley groove, but was fastened in place so that the amount of rotation was dependant upon whether the stick was centered or closer to one of the stops. I don't know if HE ever tried it, but I know that the plane that crashed at the Columbia Gathering several years ago used it too. Unfortunately we can no longer ask the pilot how well it worked, but I have the mechanism down in the basement. I'll photograph it and post it later. We had this debate a few years ago, that it's not stick MOVEMENT but stick lack of stick FORCE that causes the sensitivity. I think the final word was that Lancair solved their problem by decreasing elevator movement with relation to stick movement, which increased the force required to move the stick. I've made my bellcrank easily accessible so I can try a few different ratios easily. I'll let you know what I find out during testing, but for starters I'm going with what the plans call for as a baseline. Why stretch it? I think that's the universally accepted "easiest" method of increasing the static margin with miminal impact to drag and weight properties... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: glues From: "Ken Jordan" Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 10:56:33 -0800 X-Message-Number: 13 Many KR builders have MOST of the wood work finished within a 3 yr. time period. A shelf life of 3 yrs for T-88 sounds very acceptable. I had the boat and wing spars finished in the first year. Since then I just get a small amount of fresh glue each year, for the small jobs that crop up.(corner blocks, cockpit floor, horiz. stab. and elevator frames, etc.) Ken J ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Ray-Jay for 2100 Revmaster.. How to?????? From: "Ken Jordan" Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 11:02:16 -0800 X-Message-Number: 14 Dan Diehl has a website for Diehl Aeronautics at http://www.diehlaero.com/ You can get his email address there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Pitch Sensitivety (why stretch it) From: "Mark Langford" Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 13:34:25 -0600 X-Message-Number: 15 The picture of the mechanism is the first one at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/misc.html . Not exactly pretty, but apparently it worked. The pulley "cores" are 1/8" aluminum, and the rest you can see for yourself. Correction on my earlier post. That was at the 1993 Covington Gathering, not Columbia that Don Cornwell's KR2 crashed. Before someone asks, I believe the final verdict was pilot error on that one. He was killed and his wife severely injured. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Builders Log From: "J. Miller" Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 11:50:39 -0800 X-Message-Number: 16 Hello KR-Netters, I'm wondering if anyone is aware of a computer based builders log? I found one on the net, but there were some glaring limitations (Primarily in the data entry fields). It sure would be nice to have an 'App' for keeping track of time and expenses for various types of relevant information. Thanks for your help. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Pitch Sensitivety (why stretch it) From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 15:20:56 EST X-Message-Number: 17 In a message dated 2/8/00 2:37:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, langford@hiwaay.net writes: << Correction on my earlier post. That was at the 1993 Covington Gathering, not Columbia that Don Cornwell's KR2 crashed. Before someone asks, I believe the final verdict was pilot error on that one. He was killed and his wife severely injured. >> Before everyone goes off on KR's crashing, correct me if I wrong. I believe Don clipped some trees off the threshold trying to land at night. Again correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe his seat belt attachment points gave way and he was ejected form the airplane. His wife stayed inside the airplane. I believe this is the crash I'm thinking about. Dana Overall 2000 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Builders Log From: E J Spencer Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 14:37:15 -0600 X-Message-Number: 18 Mr. Miller. Get the prog. for windows named EXCELL. You can any thing you want as far as spread sheets and reccords keeping. You enter and it does the math, Thanks for reading this. Joe Spencer Hillsboro Tn. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR2 Models From: "Carlton Blandford" Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 23:05:52 -0000 X-Message-Number: 19 Ross, I've posted some photo's of the model at the following address http://www.geocities.com/pipeline/valley/2636/model.html Regards Carlton ----- Original Message ----- From: Ross R. Youngblood To: KR-net users group Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2000 7:30 AM Subject: [kr-net] KR2 Models > > Carlton, > I will have to check, I think we can afford to order about 10 of > these, > but I need to know how many folks want to buy one because I'd want > to recover all the costs by September, (To pay our ISP bill). I would > need to increase the price a few $$ to cover the shipping from S. Africa > > and shipping to the buyers in side the US, probaby another $5 each. > This makes the models cost about $20-$25 each. > Anyone still interested? I want one. > > -- Ross > > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: genesis2@iafrica.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-112507E@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Specs on KR-2 From: JPatSig@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 16:06:47 EST X-Message-Number: 20 To anyone who can help: I wrote yesterday about the question of the Ray-Jay.. I am looking at a plane however and the owner said he only gets about 150 mph. The plane has a Revmaster 2100.. I am at a lower elevation so maybe that is his problem.. I was wondering what anyone's take on this is.. He is at 7000ft.. I will be at 3300, hopefully with his airplane under my ownership. What can I really expect and does anyone really fly with 2 people in these litte fighters? I appreciated your response to my Turbo question and look forward to hearing back from you on this.. Sincerely, Joey Warren Lubbock, Tx ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR2 Models From: Richard Selix Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 13:30:12 -0800 X-Message-Number: 21 Carlton: I don't think your pictures of the model came through. Richard. Carlton Blandford wrote: > Ross, > > I've posted some photo's of the model at the following address > > http://www.geocities.com/pipeline/valley/2636/model.html > > Regards > Carlton > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ross R. Youngblood > To: KR-net users group > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2000 7:30 AM > Subject: [kr-net] KR2 Models > > > > > Carlton, > > I will have to check, I think we can afford to order about 10 of > > these, > > but I need to know how many folks want to buy one because I'd want > > to recover all the costs by September, (To pay our ISP bill). I would > > need to increase the price a few $$ to cover the shipping from S. Africa > > > > and shipping to the buyers in side the US, probaby another $5 each. > > This makes the models cost about $20-$25 each. > > Anyone still interested? I want one. > > > > -- Ross > > > > > > > > > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: genesis2@iafrica.com > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-112507E@telelists.com > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rselix@earthlink.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-95880U@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Painted From: DClarke351@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 16:53:10 EST X-Message-Number: 22 Well it finally happened! My Kr is painted. We did it today and it looks neat. (I think) Now all I have to do is fill in a couple of minor depressions and sand off three runs and I can put the plane back together and fly it. I used 1 & 1/4 gal of paint. Don Clarke El Paso, Tex ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Painted From: "J. Miller" Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 15:45:44 -0800 X-Message-Number: 23 Don, Can you share some details? Process, Brand, Color...etc. Thanks ! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Drilling Wing Spars From: "Robert Smith" Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 20:07:46 -0500 X-Message-Number: 24 Since mould spores tend to be rather small, the filter material would have to have very small pores. Probably something like the filter paper they use for dust masks might work. I drilled very small holes, about 1/32. Should be enough to let air in and out. Bob Smith >Ross >I think that it is convenient to cover the webbing holes with some filter >material that allows to pass air but not spores of mushrooms for example. >This avoids the entrance of polluting material. >Eduardo > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rsmith5@nycap.rr.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-120463C@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Pitch Sensitivety (why stretch it) From: "Robert Smith" Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 20:17:16 -0500 X-Message-Number: 25 I have suggested this before but got no response. So here it is again: Why not just add a couple of friction plates to increase the stick force? They could be made adjustable so you could just dial in the amout of force you want. Possibly something as simple as adding two friction washers, one on each side of the stick with a bolt that can be tightened. What do you think?? Bob Smith in Albany NY (wasting time by building a new PC to run FS2000 to keep flying skills sharp so I will be able to fly my KR that I won't have time to finish.......Ha Ha) mailto:rsmith5@nycap.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: Mark Langford To: KR-net users group Date: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 1:58 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Pitch Sensitivety (why stretch it) >Bryce Guenther wrote: > >>Has anybody >> thought of making flight control's with differential elevator's ! That's >right >> elevators, imagine cruising along with 3" or 4" joystick travel in the >center >> range of stick deflection and then beyond that exponential elevator >deflection >> with only slight additional joystick travel for when you really need it ? > >Yep, Howard Kaiser presented the scheme of using an eliptical >bellcrank/pulley in which he did exactly that. The cable rode in a the >pulley groove, but was fastened in place so that the amount of rotation was >dependant upon whether the stick was centered or closer to one of the stops. >I don't know if HE ever tried it, but I know that the plane that crashed at >the Columbia Gathering several years ago used it too. Unfortunately we can >no longer ask the pilot how well it worked, but I have the mechanism down in >the basement. I'll photograph it and post it later. > >We had this debate a few years ago, that it's not stick MOVEMENT but stick >lack of stick FORCE that causes the sensitivity. I think the final word was >that Lancair solved their problem by decreasing elevator movement with >relation to stick movement, which increased the force required to move the >stick. > >I've made my bellcrank easily accessible so I can try a few different ratios >easily. I'll let you know what I find out during testing, but for starters >I'm going with what the plans call for as a baseline. > >Why stretch it? I think that's the universally accepted "easiest" method of >increasing the static margin with miminal impact to drag and weight >properties... > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama >mailto:langford@hiwaay.net >see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rsmith5@nycap.rr.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-120463C@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Aircraft Parts Site From: "J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd." Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 19:20:54 -0600 X-Message-Number: 26 Go to http://www.aeropartslocator.com/ for details. KRRon ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Builders Log From: JEHayward@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 20:39:23 EST X-Message-Number: 27 In a message dated 02/08/00 12:52:05 PM Mountain Standard Time, KRoozin2XS@juno.com writes: << I'm wondering if anyone is aware of a computer based builders log? I found one on the net, but there were some glaring limitations (Primarily in the data entry fields). It sure would be nice to have an 'App' for keeping track of time and expenses for various types of relevant information. Thanks for your help. >> I have a DOS-based one that I got somewhere a few years ago but haven't used it in a couple of years since I haven't been working on the KR. If no one comes up with a Windows-based one, I'll see if I can find the disk it's on for you. Jim ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Pitch Sensitivety (why stretch it) From: JEHayward@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 20:41:52 EST X-Message-Number: 28 In a message dated 02/08/00 1:22:29 PM Mountain Standard Time, KR2616TJ@aol.com writes: << Before everyone goes off on KR's crashing, correct me if I wrong. I believe Don clipped some trees off the threshold trying to land at night. Again correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe his seat belt attachment points gave way and he was ejected form the airplane. His wife stayed inside the airplane. I believe this is the crash I'm thinking about. >> I believe it was found that there was also no fuel in his tanks nor on the ground when they arrived at the site. Jim Hayward Rapid City, SD ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Builders Log From: flyer@clas.net Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 20:06:22 -0600 X-Message-Number: 29 You might try: http://hometown.aol.com/eaglegator/page2.html for some excellent programs related to building! Bruce > KRoozin2XS@juno.com writes: > > << I'm wondering if anyone is aware of a computer based builders log? I > found one on the net, but there were some glaring limitations (Primarily in > the data entry fields). It sure would be nice to have an 'App' for keeping > track of time and expenses for various types of relevant information. > Thanks for your help. >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Pitch Sensitivety (why stretch it) From: Mike Mims Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 18:24:59 -0800 X-Message-Number: 30 Robert Smith wrote: > So here it is again: Why not just add a couple of friction plates to increase the stick force? > > What do you think?? Increased stick pressure does not improve pitch stability only decreases PIOs > > Bob Smith in Albany NY (wasting time by building a new PC to run FS2000) You got that right, PC flight sims are a complete waste of time! -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Sanding and Filling AGAIN! :o( http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ mirror @ http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: FWD. CG. From: Knitehwk@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 23:30:41 EST X-Message-Number: 31 hmmm interesting situation glenn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Specs on KR-2 From: "Parley Byington" Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 21:17:28 -0800 X-Message-Number: 32 Joey I have a 1835 with a Ray Jay turbo here at Boulder City Nevada. My bird is a single seat Kr-2. The empty weight is 705 lbs ( somewhat heavy). I normally crusie around at 160mph IAS at about 4000 ft. My climb rate is between 600 and 900 ft/min depending on gross weight. I can carry as much as 18.5 gallons in the header tank, I weight 225 lbs. I didn't get your first message but maybe these numbers will help you. Regards Parley (N54PB) parley@anv.net Henderson Nevada -----Original Message----- From: JPatSig@aol.com To: KR-net users group Date: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 1:08 PM Subject: [kr-net] Specs on KR-2 >To anyone who can help: > >I wrote yesterday about the question of the Ray-Jay.. I am looking at a >plane however and the owner said he only gets about 150 mph. The plane has a >Revmaster 2100 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Cornwell's KR-2 (was pitch sensitivity) From: Chris Boultinghouse Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 21:34:59 -0600 X-Message-Number: 33 At 08:41 PM 2/8/00 EST, Jim wrote: > I believe it was found that there was also no fuel in his tanks > nor on the ground when they arrived at the site. Here's the full text of the NTSB report: ATL93LA160 On September 17, 1993, at 2108 central daylight time, an experimental airplane, a Cornwell KR-2, N289DC, collided with trees approximately 1/4 mile south of Runway 1 at the Covington Municipal Airport, Covington, Tennessee. Visual weather conditions prevailed at the time of the accident. The personal, night-flight operated under 14 CFR Part 91 with no flight plan filed. The airplane sustained substantial damage; the pilot was fatally injured and the passenger received serious injuries. The flight departed Morgantown, West Virginia, at 1300 hours, and made an enroute refueling stop in Elizabethton, Tennessee. According to the pilot's wife, the flight departed Morgantown later than originally planned. Initial plans were to arrive in Covington before sunset,or 1903 central daylight time. Reportedly, the flight was uneventful and all aircraft systems appeared to operate normally. While on final approach to Runway 1 the airplane collided with a tree and the ground. Examination of the accident site revealed that the airplane collided with the ground about 1/4 mile from the Runway on the extended centerline. The wreckage examination failed to disclose a mechanical problem with the airplane; aircraft and pilot logs were not recovered for examination. Reportedly, the runway lights were on and turned up to the high position. According to airport officials, the Visual Approach Slope Indicator System (VASI) was also functional at the time of the accident. According to the pilot's current medical certificate and Statement of Demonstrated Ability, the pilot was required to wear corrective lenses for defective distant vision in his right eye,(20/400 corrected to 20/100). Despite his vision problems, the pilot's wife said that the pilot did not complain of sight problems. She further stated that he had conducted many night flights in a Mooney, which he owned about six years before the accident airplane was constructed; there were relatively few night flights conducted in the accident airplane. The post mortem examination of the pilot was conducted by Dr. Charles Harlan, on September 20, 1993, at the Nashville Forensic Science Center, Nashville, Tennessee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Ray-Jay for 2100 Revmaster.. How to?????? From: "R.W. Moore" Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 01:36:11 -0500 X-Message-Number: 34 contact Dan Diehl in Jenks Okla. He knows more about the turbo powered VW engine than anyone else. N4DD once was turbo charged That was Dan's airplane. Also there was a story in the KR newsletter by Dan that told how to make it work. R. W. Moore Incentor ---------- > From: JPatSig@aol.com > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Ray-Jay for 2100 Revmaster.. How to?????? > Date: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 2:36 AM > > Hello Everyone! > I new to the KR world and am looking into buying a KR-2 at the moment... I > figured it was as close to an RV-6 as I could get without paying the $$$$$. > I think you all understand.. Plust these are sweet little birds.. I am > writing to ask if anyone knows about the installation of the Turbo for the > 2100 Revmaster. I want to make the plane completly diffrent than any > homebuilt on my field and I figured this would do it.. I have looked at them > on the net but couldn't find the cost.. If you could answer the cost and > installation I would greatly appreciate it.. New aspiring KR pilot, > > Joey Warren > Lubbock, TX > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rwmoore@alltel.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17710K@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Advice for newcomer From: "Ross R. Youngblood" Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 23:47:19 +0000 X-Message-Number: 35 I did a lot of investigation on this over the years, and at one time surfed the FAA accident database. This was back when some of us KR-netters were on the KR forum on AOL... I remember being on business trip, surfing the web. At any rate, I came to the conclusion that most of the accidents seemed to be fuel related. Similar to the GA accident rate. There were also cases of pilots who did not have a taildragger rating or were not current who got into trouble. I'm not convinced that the KR is any less safe than say a P51 Mustang, it's just that most of the people who fly a P51 Mustang have more hours in taildraggers by the time they get into the cockpit. I haven't flown my KR, but many KR pilots report that flying the KR is as easy as flying a C-152. -- Ross Juri Keyter wrote: > Hi to all. > > I am sure that you have seen this kind of message many times before so it > will at least be easy to answer it. > > As a newcomer, safety is my main concern and wasted effort comes second. > > Can anyone give me an idea on how much KR2 accident has occurred and how > many have been built but are unsafe to fly? > > I assume that the exact figures are not available but an indication will be > appreciated. > > Thank you for your kind response. > > Juri Keyter > juri.keyter@didata.co.za > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17523X@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: DIY Avionics From: "Ross R. Youngblood" Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 23:48:40 +0000 X-Message-Number: 36 http://www.rst-engr.com (I think) Look for RST engineering. He no longer sells the radio kits, but intercoms and marker beacon panels are available as well as headsets. -- Ross Florin L Pintea wrote: > Hi group, I've read on this NG a few times about kit built comm > radios, strobes and head sets. Could one still purchase the kits, and > if yes, where are they ordered from?Thanks, Florin ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR2 Models From: "Ross R. Youngblood" Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 00:06:42 +0000 X-Message-Number: 37 Carlton, The webpage ame up, but no images? Broken Links. You can attach them in an email directly to me at rossy@teleport.com --Ross Carlton Blandford wrote: > Ross, > > I've posted some photo's of the model at the following address > > http://www.geocities.com/pipeline/valley/2636/model.html > > Regards > Carlton > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ross R. Youngblood > To: KR-net users group > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2000 7:30 AM > Subject: [kr-net] KR2 Models > > > > > Carlton, > > I will have to check, I think we can afford to order about 10 of > > these, > > but I need to know how many folks want to buy one because I'd want > > to recover all the costs by September, (To pay our ISP bill). I would > > need to increase the price a few $$ to cover the shipping from S. Africa > > > > and shipping to the buyers in side the US, probaby another $5 each. > > This makes the models cost about $20-$25 each. > > Anyone still interested? I want one. > > > > -- Ross > > > > > > > > > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: genesis2@iafrica.com > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-112507E@telelists.com > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17523X@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: dusty kr From: "Ross R. Youngblood" Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 00:10:22 +0000 X-Message-Number: 38 Hello 'netters. I will have to go out and photograph this KR... Mesa AZ is in my backyard. I may even have seen it before, who knows. -- Ross Chris Dunn wrote: > Hi everyone, > The KR2 is a small plane. Myself being 6'2" and 230lbs I have come to the > conclusion That this is not the plane for me. Thanks everyone for all the > info you have shared. For anyone interested The KR I found is in Mesa AZ. It > is all there and has 8hrs tt on it. The guy said that he had overheating > problems that he couldn't overcome. He is asking $4500 for the whole thing. > His name is Bert Foote, 480-835-6016. I only spoke to him the one time and > he dosn't know I posted his name here. But I figured I would pass the info > on anyway. see ya, > Chris > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17523X@telelists.com --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@ipinc.net To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-110995W@telelists.com