From: "KR-net users group digest" To: "kr-net digest recipients" Subject: kr-net digest: February 09, 2000 Date: Thursday, February 10, 2000 2:38 AM KR-NET Digest2 for Wednesday, February 09, 2000. 1. Cornwell's KR-2 (was pitch sensitivity) 2. Alum bending problems 3. Re: Alum bending problems 4. Re: Alum bending problems 5. turbochargers 6. Re: Wheel & Brakes site 7. Re: Alum bending problems 8. Re: kr-net digest: February 08, 2000 9. Re: Pitch Sensitivety (why stretch it) 10. Re: Alum bending problems 11. Re: Alum bending problems 12. Re: Pitch Sensitivety (why stretch it) 13. Re: KR2 Models 14. Re: Alum bending problems 15. Inspection Plates 16. KR Plastic Model Photos Online 17. Re: Alum bending problems 18. Re: Inspection Plates 19. Re: MS Flight Sim KR2S 20. Re: Inspection Plates 21. KR-Newsletter Archive 22. Flight testing, is it really done? 23. Re: MS Flight Sim KR2S 24. Re: Flight testing, is it really done? 25. Re: MS Flight Sim KR2S 26. Re: MS Flight Sim KR2S 27. Flight testing/stalls 28. Mounting forward fuel tank 29. HELP: kr conversion ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Cornwell's KR-2 (was pitch sensitivity) From: "Jim Faughn" Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 02:49:30 -0600 X-Message-Number: 1 The report that has been posted about this accident is correct. When we flew the next day you could see a "hole" in the tree where he went through. In addition, he was WAY low, definitely below red over red on the VASI lights. I suspect that was because he had conditioned himself to be low on final instead of slipping the plane to loose altitude. ---------------------- On September 17, 1993, at 2108 central daylight time, an experimental airplane, a Cornwell KR-2, N289DC, collided with trees approximately 1/4 mile south of Runway 1 at the Covington Municipal Airport, Covington, Tennessee. (CUT Reportedly, the runway lights were on and turned up to the high position. According to airport officials, the Visual Approach Slope Indicator System (VASI) was also functional at the time of the accident. (CUT) ---------------------- Jim Faughn 4323D Laclede Ave. St. Louis, MO 63108 (314) 652-7659 mailto:jfaughn@mvp.net N891JF ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Alum bending problems From: RFG842@aol.com Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 07:50:32 EST X-Message-Number: 2 After spending an afternoon laying out and cutting out my battery box from 40 thousands, 2024, T3, (left over RV skin donated by another builder), I took it to a shop to have it bent and it promptly cracked or broke off at every bend. Took it to another shop to have welded back together and they said that T3 could not be welded. They also said that it was bent at too small a radius. Guess I have to start over with some T0 alum. Don't want to add the weight of rivited corner supports. Any other solutions??? Tnks, Bob PS It's not Friday but mabey close enough. Ran into some 10 guage shielded wire and some either 12 or 14 guage shielded military spec wire as used by Boeing Aircraft. You sure don't need much in a KR but it is really expensive at the suppy houses. For the Net, .25 a foot plus an envelope and postage. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Alum bending problems From: "Mark Langford" Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 07:22:48 -0600 X-Message-Number: 3 Bob wrote: > After spending an afternoon laying out and cutting out my battery box from 40 > thousands, 2024, T3, (left over RV skin donated by another builder), I took > it to a shop to have it bent and it promptly cracked or broke off at every > bend. Use 6061-T6. There's a reason why there's a huge selection of shapes and sheets. It's the industry standard for making structural aluminum parts due to it's ease of bending and weldability. Others are stronger, but 6061-T6 has the best combination if absolute maximum strength/weight ratio isn't the only factor. Personally, I'm going to make my battery box out of either fiberglass or carbon fiber. I'll probably have a little carbon fiber left over, and it doesn't corrode when acid gets on the epoxy. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Alum bending problems From: Chris Boultinghouse Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 07:27:13 -0600 X-Message-Number: 4 At 07:50 AM 2/9/00 EST, you wrote: >After spending an afternoon laying out and cutting out my battery box from 40 >thousands, 2024, T3, (left over RV skin donated by another builder), I took >it to a shop to have it bent and it promptly cracked or broke off at every >bend. .040 must have at least a 1/8" bend radius, but preferably 3/16". Corner relief holes would also be a good idea. It *can* be bent in the T3 condition (I've bent a bunch of 6061-T6, up to .090 in thickness). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: turbochargers From: "Richard Parker" Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 05:26:25 PST X-Message-Number: 5 I have a blurb on my web page regarding Turbochargers. Dont remember where i got it. Rich Parker http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Wheel & Brakes site From: "Luis Lolata" Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 11:42:39 -0200 X-Message-Number: 6 Hi Folks I found a new site about wheels & Brakes on the net. It address is http://members.xoom.com/bilmairparts Luis Lolata ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Alum bending problems From: Tom_Livingston@pass-seymour.com Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 08:53:24 -0500 X-Message-Number: 7 When forming any metal, there is always a recommended minimum bend radius to prevent stress cracking, or the part breaking at the form. For .040 thick 2024 T3 aluminum, the minimum recommended form radius is .20. using the correct form radii when bending any metal can be critical. Stresses will be generated in the metal that are not immediately visible. A form of too sharp a bend radius, even if it doesn't break during forming, has a high potential of breaking in the future, usually at the worst possible moment. Whenever forming a part, if you don't know the minimum bend radii, use the largest practical radius to reduce stresses. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: kr-net digest: February 08, 2000 From: Gognij@aol.com Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 09:15:21 EST X-Message-Number: 8 Hello Juri You can call the E.A.A. headquarters and request a list of all the KR accidents. I did, and found out that most of the problems fell into one of two categories. 1) Fuel delivery. 2) Pilot error. These items can be rectified by the builder, and should be. Happy Building.....Jim Gogniat ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Pitch Sensitivety (why stretch it) From: "Jim Sellars" Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 11:16:41 -0400 X-Message-Number: 9 Mike; Here's a question that I have had for some time and can't seem to get a solution. In the flight trials of a KR-2 one would like to expand the envelope safely. How do you fly to 1.1 of the desired max speed, and generate 4 or so G's, if the canopy configuration and the close fit of the bird does't allow egress under strain ? I'm thinking about the number of beautiful birds with canopies that open clam shell style. How would one get out of that plane in a crisis ? So if it's not possible in that case how do you test the airplane properly? Does this mean they aren't tested ? Where is the practical downside ? These people are flying a death trap ? Well I know of some that have been operating for well in excess of 450 hours without incident and taking people for rides too. Please share some of your thoughts. Regards; Jim -----Original Message----- From: Mike Mims To: KR-net users group Date: February 9, 2000 12:19 AM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Pitch Sensitivety (why stretch it) >Robert Smith wrote: >> >So here it is again: Why not just add a couple of friction plates to >increase the stick force? >> >> What do you think?? > > >Increased stick pressure does not improve pitch stability only decreases >PIOs > > >> >> Bob Smith in Albany NY (wasting time by building a new PC to run FS2000) > > >You got that right, PC flight sims are a complete waste of time! > > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >Sanding and Filling AGAIN! :o( >http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ >mirror @ >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >http://members.home.com/mikemims/ >Aliso Viejo CA >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jsellars@mon.auracom.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17709B@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Alum bending problems From: "Stefan den Boer" Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:17:53 +0100 X-Message-Number: 10 Hai I am a sheetmetalworker for an airliner and working evere day with alu. 1 make shure there are no more sharp edges on jour material or holes. 2 Take a right bening radius. 3 If this dasn`t work heat 2024T3-040. about 45 minutes in an oven 496 degrees and put it quick in cold water, Jou have O material for about 45 minutes. In 3 hours it is 2024T4. Good luck Stef den Boer ---------- > Van: RFG842@aol.com > Aan: KR-net users group > Onderwerp: [kr-net] Alum bending problems > Datum: woensdag 9 februari 2000 13:50 > > After spending an afternoon laying out and cutting out my battery box from 40 > thousands, 2024, T3, (left over RV skin donated by another builder), I took > it to a shop to have it bent and it promptly cracked or broke off at every > bend. > > Took it to another shop to have welded back together and they said that T3 > could not be welded. They also said that it was bent at too small a radius. > > Guess I have to start over with some T0 alum. Don't want to add the weight > of rivited corner supports. Any other solutions??? > > Tnks, Bob > > PS It's not Friday but mabey close enough. Ran into some 10 guage shielded > wire and some either 12 or 14 guage shielded military spec wire as used by > Boeing Aircraft. You sure don't need much in a KR but it is really expensive > at the suppy houses. For the Net, .25 a foot plus an envelope and postage. > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: boer.reinders@hetnet.nl > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17730S@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Alum bending problems From: "Ken Jordan" Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 08:45:22 -0800 X-Message-Number: 11 Stefan, Thanks for the info on annealing aluminum. There is a manual, "Standard Aircraft Handbook" that everyone should use for reference. It has chapters on Riveting, Bolts and fasteners, Tools, Assembly and installation methods, Electrical wiring, Materials (steel and alum) and fabricating (bend radius), Aircraft drawings, and Parts. The appendices are quite useful too. Check it out! Ken J ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Pitch Sensitivety (why stretch it) From: Tom Raby GRE/ER PwrSysOp Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 11:05:32 -0600 X-Message-Number: 12 I always thought I'd need an emergency parachute and some mechanism to jettison the canopy while flying off the test hours and establishing the planes performance envelope. After that I'd decide if I had an expensive conversation piece or an airplane I'd be comfortable in. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Jim Sellars [mailto:jsellars@mon.auracom.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 9:17 AM To: KR-net users group Subject: [kr-net] Re: Pitch Sensitivety (why stretch it) Mike; Here's a question that I have had for some time and can't seem to get a solution. In the flight trials of a KR-2 one would like to expand the envelope safely. How do you fly to 1.1 of the desired max speed, and generate 4 or so G's, if the canopy configuration and the close fit of the bird does't allow egress under strain ? I'm thinking about the number of beautiful birds with canopies that open clam shell style. How would one get out of that plane in a crisis ? So if it's not possible in that case how do you test the airplane properly? Does this mean they aren't tested ? Where is the practical downside ? These people are flying a death trap ? Well I know of some that have been operating for well in excess of 450 hours without incident and taking people for rides too. Please share some of your thoughts. Regards; Jim -----Original Message----- From: Mike Mims To: KR-net users group Date: February 9, 2000 12:19 AM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Pitch Sensitivety (why stretch it) >Robert Smith wrote: >> >So here it is again: Why not just add a couple of friction plates to >increase the stick force? >> >> What do you think?? > > >Increased stick pressure does not improve pitch stability only decreases >PIOs > > >> >> Bob Smith in Albany NY (wasting time by building a new PC to run FS2000) > > >You got that right, PC flight sims are a complete waste of time! > > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >Sanding and Filling AGAIN! :o( >http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ >mirror @ >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >http://members.home.com/mikemims/ >Aliso Viejo CA >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jsellars@mon.auracom.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17709B@telelists.com > --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: traby@grenergy.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-103355K@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR2 Models From: "Carlton Blandford" Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 19:45:55 -0000 X-Message-Number: 13 Sorry guys, I've posted the photos directly to Ross, I'll also try rectify the page problem. Carlton ----- Original Message ----- From: Ross R. Youngblood To: KR-net users group Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 12:06 AM Subject: [kr-net] Re: KR2 Models > Carlton, > The webpage ame up, but no images? Broken Links. > You can attach them in an email directly to me at rossy@teleport.com > --Ross > > Carlton Blandford wrote: > > > Ross, > > > > I've posted some photo's of the model at the following address > > > > http://www.geocities.com/pipeline/valley/2636/model.html > > > > Regards > > Carlton > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ross R. Youngblood > > To: KR-net users group > > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2000 7:30 AM > > Subject: [kr-net] KR2 Models > > > > > > > > Carlton, > > > I will have to check, I think we can afford to order about 10 of > > > these, > > > but I need to know how many folks want to buy one because I'd want > > > to recover all the costs by September, (To pay our ISP bill). I would > > > need to increase the price a few $$ to cover the shipping from S. Africa > > > > > > and shipping to the buyers in side the US, probaby another $5 each. > > > This makes the models cost about $20-$25 each. > > > Anyone still interested? I want one. > > > > > > -- Ross > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: genesis2@iafrica.com > > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-112507E@telelists.com > > > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17523X@telelists.com > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: genesis2@iafrica.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-112507E@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Alum bending problems From: "Al Latham" Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 12:59:35 -0600 X-Message-Number: 14 Bob, There is nothing worse than spending hours on a part only to see it turned to trash in a matter of seconds. There is a bend radius chart in the aluminum section if the Aircraft Spruce catalog along with another chart that outlines workability. The reason the shot could not weld your parts was because they were 2024, not because they were T3. 6061 would be your best bet for a metal box and try and keep your long bends across the grain of the metal and watch your bend radius. AL -----Original Message----- From: RFG842@aol.com To: KR-net users group Date: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 6:54 AM Subject: [kr-net] Alum bending problems >After spending an afternoon laying out and cutting out my battery box from 40 >thousands, 2024, T3, (left over RV skin donated by another builder), I took >it to a shop to have it bent and it promptly cracked or broke off at every >bend. > >Took it to another shop to have welded back together and they said that T3 >could not be welded. They also said that it was bent at too small a radius. > >Guess I have to start over with some T0 alum. Don't want to add the weight >of rivited corner supports. Any other solutions??? > >Tnks, Bob > >PS It's not Friday but mabey close enough. Ran into some 10 guage shielded >wire and some either 12 or 14 guage shielded military spec wire as used by >Boeing Aircraft. You sure don't need much in a KR but it is really expensive >at the suppy houses. For the Net, .25 a foot plus an envelope and postage. > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: geebeed@netins.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-172526U@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Inspection Plates From: "Doug Peyton" Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 22:20:18 CET X-Message-Number: 15 Please give a discussion of where inspection plates should be, how big, and whatever. Thanks, Doug Peyton. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KR Plastic Model Photos Online From: Ross Youngblood Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 14:38:30 -0700 X-Message-Number: 16 Carlton has sent me photos. The plastic models are about 4" or so in size and will come UNPAINTED, so keep that in mind. Again, send me mail to rossy@teleport.com if you want to be included in the first order. I will try and get this together after the weekend. (We are moving this weekend). http://www.krnet.org/kr_model9.jpg http://www.krnet.org/kr_model11.jpg http://www.krnet.org/kr_model13.jpg http://www.krnet.org/kr_model14.jpg http://www.krnet.org/kr_model16.jpg The cost is going to be around $15-20 each including shipping from south Africa to me, then from me to you. Final pricing will probably be dependant on how much postage is going to cost. More on this later! -- Regards Ross -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (888)611-5837 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (480)345-3625 Tempe, Arizona mailto:rossy@saber.slb.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Alum bending problems From: cartera Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 15:00:03 -0700 X-Message-Number: 17 RFG842@aol.com wrote: > > After spending an afternoon laying out and cutting out my battery box from 40 > thousands, 2024, T3, (left over RV skin donated by another builder), I took > it to a shop to have it bent and it promptly cracked or broke off at every > bend. > > Took it to another shop to have welded back together and they said that T3 > could not be welded. They also said that it was bent at too small a radius. > > Guess I have to start over with some T0 alum. Don't want to add the weight > of rivited corner supports. Any other solutions??? > > Tnks, Bob > > PS It's not Friday but mabey close enough. Ran into some 10 guage shielded > wire and some either 12 or 14 guage shielded military spec wire as used by > Boeing Aircraft. You sure don't need much in a KR but it is really expensive > at the suppy houses. For the Net, .25 a foot plus an envelope and postage. > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: cartera@cuug.ab.ca > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17454M@telelists.com Why would you want to put acid and aluminum together. Save yourself a lot of headaches, you still have to make a cover for it and this can be a real pain in where you know where. Try fiberglass, that way you don't have to run around to different shops and hope you get it right. I did mine with vinylester with a custom made results. Good Luck! -- Adrian VE6AFY Calgary, Alberta Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Inspection Plates From: "J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd." Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:31:38 -0600 X-Message-Number: 18 Use common sense and good judgement. Any where a mechanism is covered by skin of your aircraft. More is better than few. If you don't have enough you will find out during inspection processes. KRRon ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ -----Original Message----- From: Doug Peyton To: KR-net users group Date: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 3:44 PM Subject: [kr-net] Inspection Plates >Please give a discussion of where inspection plates should be, how big, and >whatever. > >Thanks, Doug Peyton. >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jrlkc@mindspring.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-39476L@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: MS Flight Sim KR2S From: "Austin Clark" Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 18:47:31 -0600 X-Message-Number: 19 Anyone interested in a KR2S for MicroSoft FS98 or FS2000 can download one at http://www.zonetours.fun.ms/ Just be forewarned, it has a 200 hp engine and climbs like a homesick angel. Landing characteristics seem realistic since you really have to work to slow it down. Enjoy, Austin Clark KR2S 60% Done Pascagoula, MS http://www.datasync.com/~itac/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Inspection Plates From: AviationMech@aol.com Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 20:10:45 EST X-Message-Number: 20 One area that I feel must have an inspection port is the rudder tail post/ tail wheel spring attach area. Place it in a position under the stab which will allow an upward and aft look an the elevator horn as well. Depending on how visible your wing attach areas are you may need access to inspect this area also. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KR-Newsletter Archive From: "T.Flemming" Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 19:36:23 -0600 X-Message-Number: 21 Just wanted to say thanks to those responsible for the KR-Newsletter Archive, I believe that would be Mark Lougheed. I just finished reading the last newsletter and I would recommend it highly to other builders. I am looking to forward to the rest of the series. You can download them at: http://www.geocities.com/krnewsletters/ I have also got back into the KR building business, as others on this list I must pay as I go, so sometimes it seems like an enternity before I get to make my next purchase. I will hopefully be updating my website in the near future with some spar construction and tail feather photos. Trent Flemming Longview, TX www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hall/9098/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Flight testing, is it really done? From: Mike Mims Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 18:32:39 -0800 X-Message-Number: 22 Jim Sellars wrote: > > How do you fly to 1.1 of the desired max speed, and generate 4 or so G's, if the canopy configuration and the close fit of the bird does't allow egress under strain ? >>>>> I think the best answer to that question is that a large percentage of eXperimental aircraft DO NOT get what one would call a full series of flight test. I bet that most do a stall or two and call it good. I would also guess that very few even use parachutes during the flight test. I know someone who has over 200 hours on their plane and has never stalled it or worn a chute. This is unfortunate but is more common that one might think. I cant say that I blame these guys for being conservative about the test flying. I will more than likely spend the first 10 to 20 hours just getting used to the way the plane feels. Maybe a stall or two so I can figure out a good speed for an approach but more of my flight testing will be done beyond 100 hours. I first need to prove to myself that my plane is reliable enough to start spinning and or cutting the throttle to do power off stalls. I will have a parachute as well as a handle I can pull that will pull the hinge pins out of the door hinges. The door will depart and I can then try to get out. Just because the FAA says you got 40 hours of test flying to do doesn't mean the test flying is over at the end of 40 hours. My old boss used to say that a pilot isn't truly comfortable and or proficient in an airplane until he has about 200 hours in type. I think this is a very true statement. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Sanding and Filling AGAIN! :o( http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ mirror @ http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: MS Flight Sim KR2S From: "Cary Honeywell" Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 22:26:32 -0500 X-Message-Number: 23 I don't suppose you could be more specific about where at that site to look. I can't find it in all the other stuff they have posted there. - Cary - -Cary Honeywell - Ottawa Ontario Canada caryh@home.com ve3ev@rac.ca Home page http://24.112.208.98/ KR2 area http://24.112.208.98/kr2/kr2.shtml -----Original Message----- From: Austin Clark To: KR-net users group Date: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 7:57 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: MS Flight Sim KR2S >Anyone interested in a KR2S for MicroSoft FS98 or FS2000 can download one at > >http://www.zonetours.fun.ms/ > >Just be forewarned, it has a 200 hp engine and climbs like a homesick angel. >Landing characteristics seem realistic since you really have to work to >slow it down. > >Enjoy, > >Austin Clark >KR2S 60% Done >Pascagoula, MS >http://www.datasync.com/~itac/ > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: caryh@home.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-62695J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Flight testing, is it really done? From: "BillStarrs" Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:45:46 -0700 X-Message-Number: 24 Most small experimentels are impossible to get out of in a tight spin even if you do manage to get rid of the canopy. The only sure way is to go balistic,something we all have a lot of experience with lately. Bill Starrs -----Original Message----- From: Mike Mims To: KR-net users group Date: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 8:13 PM Subject: [kr-net] Flight testing, is it really done? >Jim Sellars wrote: >> >> How do you fly to 1.1 of the desired max speed, and generate 4 or so G's, if the canopy configuration and the close fit of the bird does't allow egress under strain ? >>>>> > > >I think the best answer to that question is that a large percentage of >eXperimental aircraft DO NOT get what one would call a full series of >flight test. I bet that most do a stall or two and call it good. I would >also guess that very few even use parachutes during the flight test. I >know someone who has over 200 hours on their plane and has never stalled >it or worn a chute. This is unfortunate but is more common that one >might think. I cant say that I blame these guys for being conservative >about the test flying. I will more than likely spend the first 10 to 20 >hours just getting used to the way the plane feels. Maybe a stall or two >so I can figure out a good speed for an approach but more of my flight >testing will be done beyond 100 hours. I first need to prove to myself >that my plane is reliable enough to start spinning and or cutting the >throttle to do power off stalls. I will have a parachute as well as a >handle I can pull that will pull the hinge pins out of the door hinges. >The door will depart and I can then try to get out. Just because the FAA >says you got 40 hours of test flying to do doesn't mean the test flying >is over at the end of 40 hours. My old boss used to say that a pilot >isn't truly comfortable and or proficient in an airplane until he has >about 200 hours in type. I think this is a very true statement. > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >Sanding and Filling AGAIN! :o( >http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ >mirror @ >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >http://members.home.com/mikemims/ >Aliso Viejo CA >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: bstarrs@cybertrails.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-103503G@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: MS Flight Sim KR2S From: "Cary Honeywell" Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 22:44:48 -0500 X-Message-Number: 25 Sorry. Found it. -Cary Honeywell - Ottawa Ontario Canada caryh@home.com ve3ev@rac.ca Home page http://24.112.208.98/ KR2 area http://24.112.208.98/kr2/kr2.shtml -----Original Message----- From: Austin Clark To: KR-net users group Date: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 7:57 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: MS Flight Sim KR2S >Anyone interested in a KR2S for MicroSoft FS98 or FS2000 can download one at > >http://www.zonetours.fun.ms/ > >Just be forewarned, it has a 200 hp engine and climbs like a homesick angel. >Landing characteristics seem realistic since you really have to work to >slow it down. > >Enjoy, > >Austin Clark >KR2S 60% Done >Pascagoula, MS >http://www.datasync.com/~itac/ > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: caryh@home.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-62695J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: MS Flight Sim KR2S From: "Cary Honeywell" Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 23:15:29 -0500 X-Message-Number: 26 Ok. I gave it a shot. It is a bit trickier than the Extra-300 and it climbs like a runaway elevator. Other than that it seems to be fun. Would be interested to see how the expirienced KR2 drivers find it. The view from the seat is about right though. You have to hope you are setup on the runway first cuz ya cain't see it. I added a bit of realism by piping in the local ATC feed that I pipe out on my Realserver. (The forth from the top square on the right side of my Home page. Careful: I only have 25 simultaneous feeds going so it may be a bit spotty. However if you want to hear Ottawa Terminal and Ottawa tower.....) -Cary Honeywell - Ottawa Ontario Canada caryh@home.com ve3ev@rac.ca Home page http://24.112.208.98/ KR2 area http://24.112.208.98/kr2/kr2.shtml >-----Original Message----- >From: Austin Clark >To: KR-net users group >Date: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 7:57 PM >Subject: [kr-net] Re: MS Flight Sim KR2S > >> >>Just be forewarned, it has a 200 hp engine and climbs like a homesick >angel. >>Landing characteristics seem realistic since you really have to work to >>slow it down. >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Flight testing/stalls From: "Wolf Packs, Inc." Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 22:00:58 -0800 X-Message-Number: 27 --=====================_7385184==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by smtp6.mindspring.com id BAA13886 Mike wrote: > I bet that most do a stall or two and call it good. I would >also guess that very few even use parachutes during the flight test. > > snip < >about the test flying. I will more than likely spend the first 10 to 20 >hours just getting used to the way the plane feels. Maybe a stall or two >so I can figure out a good speed for an approach The old KR wing/airfoil gives a little buffet before the stall so even on= =20 the first flight someone can set a fairly accurate approach speed without= =20 getting into a wing drop or spin. I didn't do a full stall until my thir= d=20 flight but had 6 or 7 good pre-stall buffet sessions on the first two fli= ghts. > I will have a parachute as well as a For flight testing see if you can borrow a sailplane type parachute. The= =20 standard emergency 'chute moves you 4" to 5" closer to the panel/pedals=20 which may be awkward or unsafe. It put my knees into the panel in a stoc= k=20 KR2 with a bench seat. I used it anyway but should have tried harder to=20 borrow a thin 'chute. Paul Martin Ashland, OR mailto:paul@wolfpacks.com www.wolfpacks.com/KR Linda von Hanneken-Martin Wolf Packs=AE - Gear for Working Dogs Phone/FAX: 541-482-7669 web: http://wolfpacks.com ~ email: mailto:traildog@wolfpacks.com=20 --=====================_7385184==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by smtp6.mindspring.com id BAA13886 Mike wrote:
 I bet= that most do a stall or two and call it good. I would
also guess that very few even use parachutes during the flight test. 
> snip <
about the test flying. I will more than likely spend the first 10 to 20
hours just getting used to the way the plane feels. Maybe a stall or two
so I can figure out a good speed for an approach

The old KR wing/airfoil gives a little buffet before the stall so even on the first flight someone can set a fairly accurate approach speed without getting into a wing drop or spin.  I didn't do a full stall until my third flight but had 6 or 7 good pre-stall buffet sessions on the first two flights.
 
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For flight testing see if you can borrow a sailplane type parachute.  The standard emergency 'chute moves you 4" to 5" closer to the panel/pedals which may be awkward or unsafe.  It put my knees into the panel in a stock KR2 with a bench seat.  I used it anyway but should have tried harder to borrow a thin 'chute.   

Paul Martin
Ashland, OR
mailto:paul@wolf= packs.com
www.wolfpacks.= com/KR

Linda von Hanneken-Martin
Wolf Packs=AE - Gear for Working Dogs
Phone/FAX: 541-482-7669
web: http://wolfpacks.com= ~ email: mai= lto:traildog@wolfpacks.com --=====================_7385184==_.ALT-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Mounting forward fuel tank From: "w.g. kirkland" Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 01:26:58 -0500 X-Message-Number: 28 Now that I've just about got my 76 litre forward fuel tank complete I'm looking for ideas on how to securely mount same. Open to suggestions. W.G. KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: HELP: kr conversion From: "andrea serra" Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 23:37:06 PST X-Message-Number: 29 KR Net readers! I need assistance. My sin: Being the only person in South Africa to approach the CAA with a request to fly the KR for conversion purposes in order to do the right things right. The result: After more than two years of owning a perfectly serviceable KR which has already flown 265 hours, with all the necessary paperwork the usual beuracratic pitfalls have resulted in myself not being able to fly the aircraft. When I have received commercial license renewals from designated examiners which have ridiculed the world of aviation as pure money making schemes it surprises me that such considerations even exist in this country. The problem is that I have as of yet not found an instructor that weighs less than 65 kg. The LOCAL AUTHORITY representative has even gone as far as suggesting that I should fly the aircraft outside of its CG range in order to receive a dual sortie - I think that that is crazy and it's that type of ideal that causes crashes at the end of the day. I cannot begin to express my feelings as a qualified military maintenance fighter test pilot, commercial instructor,...etc, as to what I think of this whole approach due to the fact that I might generate profanities unheard of before. According to the civil regulations I can fly with any pilot not necessarily instructor rated in order to familiarize myself with the KR 2. This pilot would either have to fly in my aeroplane or I in his in order to just get an idea of how this awesome little aeroplane works. Is there anybody out there that can help me????? I am in Pretoria but can reach you almost anywhere in South Africa. Out of extreme frustration I was close to torching the little aircraft last week. This is crazy and it is not the answer. It is now sell and lose time or fly and win. ANybody want a really good KR???? If there is anybody out there whom I can fly with in order to familiarize myself with the aircraft or an instructor that is realistically available: HELP!! I weigh 84 kg. Andrea Serra: ZS-WDW (use to fly with previous owner but sadly no longer!) mail: tzavu@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@ipinc.net To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-110995W@telelists.com