From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 28 Mar 2000 21:34:17 -0000 Issue 3 Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 1:34 PM krnet Digest 28 Mar 2000 21:34:17 -0000 Issue 3 Topics (messages 32 through 47): Fixed vs. retract 32 by: The House of D's Leaders 33 by: RONALD.FREIBERGER 34 by: Mike Mims 35 by: Mark Jones Re: Pheonix Crash 36 by: Knitehwk.aol.com Fixed vs Retract 37 by: AviationMech.aol.com Glass question 38 by: Livingstone, Danny (DJ) 39 by: Mark Langford tail detailing 40 by: Oscar Zuniga 41 by: marmet Re: Old List server is dead 42 by: jscott.pilot.juno.com Test 43 by: KR2616TJ.aol.com subject line question 44 by: Mark McKinley 45 by: Mark Langford 46 by: KR2616TJ.aol.com 47 by: Mike Mims Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 19:14:05 -0600 To: From: "The House of D's" Subject: Fixed vs. retract Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01BF9757.741A68E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Have a KR-1 that I bought built. It has retractable gear. I notice that almost all of the new built KR's are using fixed gear. Can anyone who might be experienced in the conversion tell me how difficult the conversion is? How much of a "true" speed penalty will I expect? ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01BF9757.741A68E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 23:13:49 -0500 To: "KRNET" From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" Subject: Leaders Message-ID: All the messages have a bunch of leaders regarding the new net settings. These always preceed the message, so they're hard to preview. Will this go away? Ron Freiberger...In Sunny Fort Myers mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 20:16:01 -0800 From: Mike Mims CC: KRNET Subject: Re: KR> Leaders Message-ID: <38DEE081.284FA11C@home.com> "RONALD.FREIBERGER" wrote: > > All the messages have a bunch of leaders regarding the new net settings. > These always preceed the message, so they're hard to preview. Will this go > away? > > Ron Freiberger...In Sunny Fort Myers I must be missing something, all I get is what you see below within the brackets. << Leaders Date:Sun, 26 Mar 2000 23:13:49 -0500 From:"RONALD.FREIBERGER" To:"KRNET" All the messages have a bunch of leaders regarding the new net settings. These always preceed the message, so they're hard to preview. Will this go away? Ron Freiberger...In Sunny Fort Myers mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com>>>>> That's it when checking through Netscape. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Sanding and Filling AGAIN! :o( http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ mirror @ http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 22:31:41 -0600 To: Mike Mims , KRNET From: Mark Jones Subject: Re: KR> Leaders Message-ID: <38DEE42D.758776E4@execpc.com> Mike, I think he is referring to the old list where all the info on the new list pops up at the start of a post. He should not have this info on the new list. BTW, did you get the gathering tape? Are you motivated? Mike Mims wrote: > > I must be missing something, all I get is what you see below within the > brackets. > > << Leaders > Date:Sun, 26 Mar 2000 23:13:49 -0500 > From:"RONALD.FREIBERGER" > To:"KRNET" > > All the messages have a bunch of leaders regarding the new net settings. > These always preceed the message, so they're hard to preview. Will this > go > away? > > Ron Freiberger...In Sunny Fort Myers > mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com>>>>> > > That's it when checking through Netscape. > -- Mark Jones (N886MJ) Waukesha, WI USA mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com Visit my KR-2S web site at http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 23:48:59 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Knitehwk@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Pheonix Crash Message-ID: yes i can confirm it is a kr2 retract.....white yellow trim flight originated in socal had a revmaster i believe with a turbo on it i spoke to the gentlemen all the time because of the fact that i want to get started on mine and he being so close really got things turning i am sadden to see he had an incident.....i hope things do work out for him Glenn SoCal knitehwk@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 07:36:04 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: AviationMech@aol.com Subject: Fixed vs Retract Message-ID: <84.30f3c55.2610afb4@aol.com> I converted N110LR from a retract. I used the Rand Aluminum gear. quite a few people are now using Dan's fiberglass gear. The alum gear had gear to spar attach brackets that mounted to the spar using the same holes as the retract. You only had to add a 1/4" plywood doubler over the existing shear web of the center section spar. And add a transition ramp up to and away from the gear on the belly, because the thickness of the gear extended below the botton skin. This of course was done to a KR2. I don't know if Rand makes a gear for the KR1 or if the assembly is simular. The original retract was hard to fair in a way to prevent drag. Most conversions saw very little or no loss of speed when they added speed pants over the mains. Orma aviationmech@aol.com http:/members.aol.com/aviationmech ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:49:14 +0200 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Livingstone, Danny (DJ)" Subject: Glass question Message-ID: <042104686D63D311B51A0000C110B8E4449A62@sasltd06.sasol.com> Hello to all the netters on the new site Please help, I am going to be glassing my wings soon, the problem is the glass only gets supplied in a 1 meter (3.2 feet) width rolls here, how must I go about putting the lay-ups on the wing (I suspect I must overlap with 2 inches - help me if I am wrong.) (I realize that it must be placed "on the bias") Danny Livingstone South Africa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 07:12:47 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Glass question Message-ID: <001f01bf97ee$260ab5f0$58e6a58c@tbe.com> Danny Livingstone wrote: > I go about putting the lay-ups on the wing (I suspect I must overlap with 2 > inches - help me if I am wrong.) You're right. You need at least 2 inches overlap. I'd probably shoot for more since as big as the wings are there's a lot of room for misalignment of the layups, and overlaps have a tendency to get a little narrow. One other piece of advice I'd offer is to use 4 mil plastic sheet to help you get the layup exactly the size you want it and where you want it. If you just walk up to the wing with a wet piece of glass in your hands it can stretch up to 6" in either dimension, and your 2" overlap just became a 4" gap! See http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/owings.html about half way down for a blow-by-blow account of putting the glass on using plastic to help "hold it's shape". I used carbon fiber, but only because I'm a whacko with no appreciation for the value of money. The plastic appears in several places on this page, so you might want to check out the whole page. If you start getting little boxes with red X's in them, it's not because the pictures aren't there, it's because you're out of RAM! Often you can hit "refresh" and more pictures will appear, since the first images will have been written to the cache, leaving more room in RAM... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 05:51:18 PST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: tail detailing Message-ID: <20000327135118.95672.qmail@hotmail.com> Good morning, VietNam! In case some of you don't get KitPlanes (I don't, but bought this month's issue for one of the articles), there was this in Barnaby Wainfan's column: "A significant cause of excess trim drag is air leakage through gaps in the tail assembly. The most obvious of these is the gap at the elevator hinge line. A simple seal can keep air from flowing through the gap and significantly reduce the drag of the tail. "Gaps at the root of the horizontal tail can cause a large drag penalty. If air is allowed to flow through gaps at the tail root, the tail behaves aerodynamically like two short-span tails flying in formation rather than one large-span tail. Some homebuilders have gotten unpleasant surprises when they decided that fairings and gap seals could wait until after the first flight. The extra airflow through the gaps increased drag considerably more than expected." Spend a little time fairing and streamlining back there... Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.geocities.com/taildrags/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 09:57:11 -0500 To: KRnet From: marmet Subject: tail detailing Message-id: <38DF76C6.A667D89A@videotron.ca> --Boundary_(ID_pKcrJaxoOsNdSs/fgVWdag) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit .C.Marcoux wrote The same phenomena occurs at the aileron level. When a turn is induced by the pilot, the plane banks to one side and the drag caused by the gap causes the airplane to go deeper into the roll and the pilot has to fight it back with the stick in the opposite direction. Closing the ailiron gap eliminates this problem. J.C. Oscar Zuniga wrote: > "A significant cause of excess trim drag is air leakage through gaps in > the tail assembly. The most obvious of these is the gap at the elevator > hinge line. A simple seal can keep air from flowing through the gap and > significantly reduce the drag of the tail. > > "Gaps at the root of the horizontal tail can cause a large drag penalty. > If air is allowed to flow through gaps at the tail root, the tail behaves > aerodynamically like two short-span tails flying in formation rather than > one large-span tail. Some homebuilders have gotten unpleasant surprises > when they decided that fairings and gap seals could wait until after the > first flight. The extra airflow through the gaps increased drag > considerably more than expected." --Boundary_(ID_pKcrJaxoOsNdSs/fgVWdag)-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 21:47:32 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Subject: Re: KR> Old List server is dead Message-ID: <20000327.214732.-84103.10.jscott.pilot@juno.com> KRNet members, Welcome to the new server. So far 177 members have made the migration. More will find us once the KRNet.org web page gets updated. I effectively shut down the old KRNet service this evening. I don't think anyone still on there could have missed the big headers pointing the way to the new server. same old "Net Mom" Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213w construction and first flight at http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 13:45:58 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Test Message-ID: Just want to check and see if this "thing" is working. Dana Overall 2000 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:03:15 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Mark McKinley Subject: subject line question Message-ID: <38E101F3.29DC2346@ontario.com> Can we get the term "KR-net" to appear in every subject line like the old list. Many e-mail programs will sort incoming e-mail by this. It is the way I keep my 250-350 emails per day sorted... Thanks, Mark Muncie, IN mlm@ontario.com KR2616TJ@aol.com wrote: > Just want to check and see if this "thing" is working. > > Dana Overall > 2000 KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY > mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 13:38:35 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> subject line question Message-ID: <004901bf98ed$369f8bc0$58e6a58c@tbe.com> > Can we get the term "KR-net" to appear in every subject line like the old > list. We put KR> there instead. Can't you sort on KR>? [krnet] is just that much longer and takes up that much more space on the subject line, but it can certainly be changed if we need to. Seems like you could sort on KR> just as well though... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:38:53 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> subject line question Message-ID: <31.2fb0fe9.2612725d@aol.com> Mine comes through with KR> before the post. The beech net I'm on doesn't have anything and it's a pain in the $%#$!@% Dana Overall 2000 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 13:34:13 -0800 (PST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Mike Mims Subject: Re: KR> subject line question Message-ID: <20000328213413.6502.qmail@web1406.mail.yahoo.com> KR> is perfect as well as the reply all feature. I vote to keep it like it is. --- KR2616TJ@aol.com wrote: > Mine comes through with KR> before the post. ===== ........| .......-^- ....-/_____\- ...(O\__o__/O) ...[#]oxxxo[#] -----Y2K Bug--- Yes I drive one! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************