From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 2 May 2000 15:17:08 -0000 Issue 20 Date: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 7:17 AM krnet Digest 2 May 2000 15:17:08 -0000 Issue 20 Topics (messages 358 through 387): Subaru engines 358 by: UncleLeon.aol.com 376 by: ldeckert elevators 359 by: david barner 360 by: Donald Reid 374 by: Ross Youngblood mac servo 361 by: david barner 362 by: Mark Langford Re: Aileron Balancing 363 by: Joe Beyer 373 by: Ross Youngblood 377 by: GARYKR2.cs.com 379 by: Mark Langford 384 by: KR2616TJ.aol.com Tailwheel and Trim Tab Indicator 364 by: Doug Peyton 365 by: Richard Parker 368 by: Donald Reid 370 by: Jeff Scott 371 by: Ross Youngblood AI 366 by: Richard Parker 367 by: Donald Reid 378 by: GARYKR2.cs.com vote 369 by: James Jasper vote, aileron balance 372 by: shannon spurgeon Re: Tailwheel 375 by: Dave Bogdan flutter 380 by: david barner 383 by: Donald Reid taildragger endorsement 381 by: Steven Vitrella Re: Lets Vote 382 by: ACMan5548.aol.com 385 by: Cary Honeywell 386 by: Tommy & Carolyn 387 by: Richard Selix Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 17:15:51 EDT To: krnet-digest-help@mailinglists.org, krnet@mailinglists.org From: UncleLeon@aol.com Subject: Subaru engines Message-ID: The Subaru engines seem to be one of the (current) engines of choice for the KR's Does anyone have the experience of overhauling a Subaru engine ? Are they as economical to overhaul as the VW or Corvair Engines? If anyone is flying a Subaru NSI engine in a KR-2S, what is your crusing speed ? Thanx, - Leon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 18:35:19 -0600 To: , From: "ldeckert" Subject: Re: KR> Subaru engines Message-ID: <001701bfb3ce$4f32fe00$c2d70b3f@decla01home> I've rebuilt a 1984 Turbo engine, with new forged pistons, new valves and guides, had everything balanced, ported the heads, rods sized - by a machine shop that supplies circle track racing engines. Total cost was under $1300.00 (seems to me it was around $1240, but I couldn't find the receipt. It's in one of the boxes of papers somewhere!). The shop checked everything! The shop owner said the most wear he found anyplace was a thousanth of an inch in one of the cylinder bores, even the rod and main bearing were standard. I would imagine having things checked (magnaflux and the like), a good valve job, and doing the bearings and rings would be about half that. Larry Deckert ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 3:15 PM Subject: KR> Subaru engines > The Subaru engines seem to be one of the (current) engines of choice for the > KR's Does anyone have the experience of overhauling a Subaru engine ? Are > they as economical to overhaul as the VW or Corvair Engines? If anyone is > flying a > Subaru NSI engine in a KR-2S, what is your crusing speed ? Thanx, - Leon > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 20:11:41 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: david barner Subject: elevators Message-ID: <390CCBBD.6EFACC5D@frognet.net> Do the elevators and flaps have to be balanced also? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 20:25:47 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR> elevators Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000430202108.0095b320@pop.erols.com> --=====================_989192==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:11 PM 4/30/00 -0400, david barner wrote: >Do the elevators and flaps have to be balanced also? Flaps are almost never balanced. If they retract against some kind of a stop, then flutter is limited. Most KR's do not balance the elevator, it is a "good feeling" kind of modification. Elevators can suffer from flutter, but due to shorter length, the natural frequency of vibration is generally higher than for a wing. Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com Bumpass, Va KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm USUA Club 250 at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html --=====================_989192==_.ALT-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 12:45:01 -0700 To: skypilot@frognet.net From: Ross Youngblood CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> elevators Message-ID: <390DDEBC.FCE131C8@teleport.com> No, not per plans, but some fliers who are targeting a faster Vne speed (i.e. flying above 200mph) recommend balancing the other surfaces. -- Ross david barner wrote: > Do the elevators and flaps have to be balanced also? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 20:50:56 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: david barner Subject: mac servo Message-ID: <390CD4F0.D0808B92@frognet.net> does anyone have the wiring diagram for the mac servo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 20:04:17 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> mac servo Message-ID: <000501bfb309$2d4e3180$a5f780ce@300emachine> david barner wrote: > does anyone have the wiring diagram for the mac servo? Of course. Check http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/macservo.jpg . And they say there's nothing on the web but smut! Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:10:15 -0700 To: "Mike Mims" From: "Joe Beyer" Cc: Subject: Re: KR> Re: Aileron Balancing Message-ID: <002d01bfb2cf$664f2320$cd44b23f@earthlink.net> I was going to re make them out of 4130 steel (probably .090) but at the time I happened to have some 2024 T3 extruded on hand so I used it. When I re paint I might just do that. mailto:joejbeyer@earthlink.net Portland, Ore. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Mims To: Joe Beyer Cc: Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 9:20 AM Subject: Re: KR> Re: Aileron Balancing > > > Ken Rand said that the > > ailerons only needed to be balanced to about 90 percent. The original plans > > said to use a piece of flat aluminum and bend it to make the counterbalance > > weight attach bracket. When you bend heat treated aluminum you set up stress > > cracks which could cause the weight to separate in flight. > > What about making these out of thin 4130 steel? After all what your > after is weight in this area. > > -- > __________________ > Micheal Mims > Aliso Viejo Ca > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ........| > .......-^- > ....-/_____\- > ...(O\__o__/O) > ...[#]oxxxo[#] > -----Y2K Bug--- > Yes I drive one! > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 12:39:10 -0700 To: Ron Lee , krnet@mailinglists.org From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR> Re: Aileron Balancing Message-ID: <390DDD5E.87A08C5D@teleport.com> I think the plans do a pretty good job of describing how to balance the ailerons by hanging them from the hinge. I have two saw horses and two pipe clamps which work well for this. The plans call for balancing before paint, but in my case the ailerons were painted so I target 100% balance. -- Ross Ron Lee wrote: > Is it not really that the nose is heavier than the trailing edge when > using the rotational (hinge) point as a reference? How that translates > to trailing edge low/high on the plane would be a matter of control > linkage rigging. Thus you would balance it OFF the airplane using > the hinge point to balance it (use as a rotation point). > > Clarify if I am incorrect. > > Ron Lee > > >>Well, what I want to know is this, how precise do I have to get with the > >>balancing process? > >>They do hang down slightly now, very slightly. > > > >Without doing a full-blown vibration analysis, you don't know how precise > >you need to be. The home builder does not have the training or equipment > >to do that type of testing. If anything, you will be better off making > >them nose heavy, so that they hang slightly trailing edge up. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 21:14:06 EDT To: langford@hiwaay.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: GARYKR2@cs.com Subject: Re: KR> Re: Aileron Balancing Message-ID: In a message dated 4/29/00 6:05:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, langford@hiwaay.net writes: << How precise? Well, Jeff Duval (TN) bought a used KR2 that had been built but rarely flown, and then sat in a hangar for almost 10 years (the one at the "East Coast) gathering last year). He soon found out why. One day he was cruising along minding his own business and all hell broke loose in the wing department. The ailerons had fluttered, and being an experienced pilot, he know it when he felt it. Further examination showed that the ailerons were not fully balanced. The reason he didn't make the KY gathering last year is that he wasn't about to fly it without balancing them fully. Even a heavy coat of paint can adversely affect the balance of a control surface. >> First I have a question. Was this the EAA East Coast Fly In? And if it was, Jerry and I were the only KRs there. Second thing. My ailerons are not perfectly balanced, have pushed her to 200mph with no sign of flutter. Some of the things I have different are, the counter balance mount I replaced with 4130 [it had 2024] because it had flex to it. You can balance 'till you are blue in the face with all the lead in the world and still get flutter if the counter balance isn't ridge. Also my ailerons are all push rod operated. If the rigging is too sloppy, that will increase the chance for flutter. That is why there is "specs" for cable tension. Also, the "sharpness" of the trailing edge can help induce flutter. There should be about 1/8' to 1/4' of bluntness to the edge. A safe way to prove this is with an R/C model. These guys have a lot of flutter problems with high speed planes [I flew compition for a lot of years and lost a couple of planes to flutter]. Aerodynamics are the same across the board. It just is we build 1:1 scale. Gary Hinkle [A/P] Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 20:55:59 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Re: Aileron Balancing Message-ID: <002501bfb3d9$90716950$a5f780ce@300emachine> Gary Hinkle [A/P] wrote: > First I have a question. Was this the EAA East Coast Fly In? And if it was, > Jerry and I were the only KRs there. No. It was the "East Coast KR Gathering" at Columbia Tennessee in '98, as shown at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/columbia/columbia.html . Were you trying to say that I made that up? Obviously, if you didn't see Jeff's KR there, we aren't talking about the same Gathering. > Second thing. My ailerons are not perfectly balanced, have pushed her to > 200mph with no sign of flutter....You can balance 'till you are blue in the face > with all the lead in the world and still get flutter if the counter balance >isn't ridge. I think it's a given that your control system can't be sloppy. What he asked is do they have to be 100% balanced. Surely you're not advocating not bothering to do the job correctly to start with. Like you said, there are lots of variables, but I'd think the least you could do is try to stack the odds in your favor by balancing the ailerons per the plans... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 08:08:06 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Re: Aileron Balancing Message-ID: <28.50c674f.26401f26@aol.com> In a message dated 05/01/2000 10:01:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, langford@hiwaay.net writes: << Gary Hinkle [A/P] wrote: > First I have a question. Was this the EAA East Coast Fly In? And if it was, > Jerry and I were the only KRs there. No. It was the "East Coast KR Gathering" at Columbia Tennessee in '98, as shown at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/columbia/columbia.html . >> The East Coast KR Gathering was something, Mark, Troy and myself put together in 1998 apart from the regular gathering. This was to enable builders within easy driving distance to meet in Columbia, TN to show up and "compare" ideas in person. It is a great way for people in the same geographic area to get together. As for balancing your ailerons....................for goodness sakes, balance them. It's a no brainer. Flutter can occur at any speed, although it is more likely to occur at higher speed. Recovery from a flutter occurrence is to immediately change the airflow over the flying surfaces. This is usually accomplished by rapid speed reduction by reducing power and increasing the angle of attack. The increase in AOA naturally increases the load factor on the wings. Couple this with the loads imposed with a fluttering surface, and you are looking at catastrophic failure, makes for a bad day. The instructions are pretty straight forward in how to balance. Dana Overall 2000 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 14:55:50 CEST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Doug Peyton" Subject: Tailwheel and Trim Tab Indicator Message-ID: <20000501125550.54540.qmail@hotmail.com> I just found out the FAA requires a taildragger certification to fly tailwheel aircraft. Does this regulation apply to experimental aircraft? I can't find any tailwheels big enough to hold my fat body. Also, is an indicator for trim tab position required by FAA regulations on a KR? I was planning to adjust the trim by feel of the stick; hope I don't have to figure out how to put in an indicator.... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 06:32:07 PDT To: doug_peyton@hotmail.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR> Tailwheel and Trim Tab Indicator Message-ID: <20000501133207.94941.qmail@hotmail.com> Yes it does, and the new insurance policy that you will have to get will most likely have provisions for a minimum amount of taildragger time before they will insure you. If you just found this out it sounds like you dont have your private pilots rating so if you are going to be getting your ticket you may as well find an instructor that will teach you in a taildragger and you can kill both birds. You dont need a indicator. Rich Parker >From: "Doug Peyton" >To: krnet@mailinglists.org >Subject: KR> Tailwheel and Trim Tab Indicator >Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 14:55:50 CEST > > >I just found out the FAA requires a taildragger certification to fly >tailwheel aircraft. Does this regulation apply to experimental aircraft? >I >can't find any tailwheels big enough to hold my fat body. > >Also, is an indicator for trim tab position required by FAA regulations on >a >KR? I was planning to adjust the trim by feel of the stick; hope I don't >have to figure out how to put in an indicator.... > > >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 10:05:43 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR> Tailwheel and Trim Tab Indicator Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000501100327.00958a70@pop.erols.com> --=====================_2655724==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:55 PM 5/1/00 +0000, Doug Peyton wrote: >I just found out the FAA requires a taildragger certification to fly >tailwheel aircraft. Does this regulation apply to experimental >aircraft? I can't find any tailwheels big enough to hold my fat body. If you are flying the plane that you built, you do not need a type rating of any sort. Tail wheel, turbine, floats, high-performance, etc. However, you are foolish if you don't have some time in type. Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com Bumpass, Va KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm USUA Club 250 at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html --=====================_2655724==_.ALT-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 12:19:22 -0400 (EDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Jeff Scott Subject: Re: KR> Tailwheel and Trim Tab Indicator Message-ID: <386072855.957197963337.JavaMail.root@web127-wra.mail.com> I believe Don is correct in that you are not REQUIRED to get a tailwheel endorsement to fly a plane you built yourself. Someone more familiar with the FARs can correct me here if I'm wrong, but I believe an endorsement is required if you plan to take a passenger with you. You don't have to test for a tailwheel endorsement. You only have to have an instructor write the endorsement in your logbook. It's up to the instructor to determine your proficiency. Having said that, I would strongly urge you to get some tailwheel training and develop some level of proficiency before jumping into your taildragger KR. Jeff Scott ------Original Message------ From: Donald Reid To: krnet@mailinglists.org Sent: May 1, 2000 2:05:43 PM GMT Subject: Re: KR> Tailwheel and Trim Tab Indicator At 02:55 PM 5/1/00 +0000, Doug Peyton wrote: >I just found out the FAA requires a taildragger certification to fly >tailwheel aircraft. Does this regulation apply to experimental >aircraft? I can't find any tailwheels big enough to hold my fat body. If you are flying the plane that you built, you do not need a type rating of any sort. Tail wheel, turbine, floats, high-performance, etc. However, you are foolish if you don't have some time in type. Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com Bumpass, Va KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm USUA Club 250 at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 11:27:50 -0700 To: Doug Peyton From: Ross Youngblood CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Tailwheel and Trim Tab Indicator Message-ID: <390DCCA5.3853814D@teleport.com> The regulations are a bit fuzzy. I beleive there is a small loophole that you can crawl through to fly your experimental without the loophole. I believe it is often used for retract experimental fliers. However you will need insurance, and your insurance agent will want more taildragger time than just the endorsement to get your rates to be reasonable. If you have a hangar, or plan to get one, many cities require a $1,000,000 liability policy just to park your airplane at the airport in the hangar, and a copy of the policy may need to be provided. Also, if you don't get the endorsement, and ground loop. The NTSB record will state that you didn't have your taildragger endorsement, and will state that lack of time in type was a contributing factor in the incident. Big Taildraggers are available. I flew in a Aeronca Champ, which was a bit better than the side by side seating in the C-140. The problem is that many places charge more $$ for taildragger training as it is considered "advanced" training. Getting your taildragger rating is FUN. I loved flying the piper CUB and the Aeronca Champ. Plus, I'm now looking forward to flying the KR. -- Ross Doug Peyton wrote: > I just found out the FAA requires a taildragger certification to fly > tailwheel aircraft. Does this regulation apply to experimental aircraft? I > can't find any tailwheels big enough to hold my fat body. > > Also, is an indicator for trim tab position required by FAA regulations on a > KR? I was planning to adjust the trim by feel of the stick; hope I don't > have to figure out how to put in an indicator.... > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 06:36:42 PDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Richard Parker" Subject: AI Message-ID: <20000501133642.86157.qmail@hotmail.com> Anyone know how to test if an Airspeed indicator is functional? it says not to blow in the tubes. (the first thing that came to my mind) Anyone have a plumbing schematic handy? Can I just attach a peice of tubing and stick it out the window and drive fast? Rich Parker ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 10:03:12 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR> AI Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000501095027.00954600@pop.erols.com> --=====================_2504473==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:36 AM 5/1/00 -0700, you wrote: >Anyone know how to test if an Airspeed indicator is functional? it says >not to blow in the tubes. (the first thing that came to my mind) Hanging a mock-up of the plumbing out the door of a moving car will work, but the usual way is with a water manometer. Airspeed indication is based on the difference in ram pressure versus static pressure. In the range we fly, this pressure difference is equal to a few inches of water. A manometer is a "U" shaped piece of clear tubing with a fluid in it. The ends of the "U" tube are connected to the two pressure ports of the airspeed gauge. You need to have a way to add pressure to the high pressure side. A tee fitting and a rubber squeeze bulb would work. As the high side is pressed up, the water will be pushed in the tube toward the low pressure side. The airspeed indicator will deflect and the actual pressure difference in the difference in elevation between the water. The difference in elevation of water in the "U" tube is the pressure difference between the two ports of the indicator. I do not have the data handy, but it is not hard to find in a number of reference books. I am sure that a good aircraft reference will have a drawing of the calibration setup and the actual pressure difference. Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com Bumpass, Va KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm USUA Club 250 at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html --=====================_2504473==_.ALT-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 21:31:19 EDT To: richontheroad@hotmail.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: GARYKR2@cs.com Subject: Re: KR> AI Message-ID: <4a.4d3160d.263f89e7@cs.com> In a message dated 5/1/00 9:37:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, richontheroad@hotmail.com writes: << Anyone know how to test if an Airspeed indicator is functional? it says not to blow in the tubes. (the first thing that came to my mind) Anyone have a plumbing schematic handy? Can I just attach a piece of tubing and stick it out the window and drive fast? Rich Parker >> 1) Blow in the tube very easy. 2) Look in the Aircraft Spruce book, little past half way around the instrument section. Shows how to do the plumbing. 3) Yes you can stick it out the window. Let someone else drive. You'll watch the airspeed more than where your driving. Gary Hinkle[A/P] Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 09:43:44 -0600 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: James Jasper Subject: vote Message-id: <004201bfb384$0890de30$c0b222a6@con01873> Keep the list the way it is now; more technical, less volume, better content. Jim Jasper mail to: j.jasper@wcom.com Colorado Springs, CO ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 13:38:18 -0500 (CDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: shanspur@webtv.net (shannon spurgeon) Subject: vote, aileron balance Message-ID: <8614-390DCF1A-3818@storefull-624.iap.bryant.webtv.net> As a "semi-expert" (that's an Okie truck driver), I pick up gobs of useful information from your discussions. That said, I am content with how the list is handled now. Re: aileron balancing, in my limited experience it is best to be safe and go for at least 100% static balance without actuators connected. Cessna production balances control surfaces on a jig, pivoted on the hinges, but not on the aircraft. I don't know their target value, but they fine-tune balance with Cessna part # 160g357d which looks to me like a 38 caliber semi wad cutter. (160 grains?) Really. The bottom line here is enjoying our hobby, which implies staying alive and healthy. Forge on! Happy skies Shannon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 20:41:46 GMT To: rossy@teleport.com, doug_peyton@hotmail.com From: "Dave Bogdan" Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Tailwheel Message-ID: <20000501204147.41606.qmail@hotmail.com> For those who are close enough... Gateway Tech, Kenosha, Wisconsin has a brand new conventional (read tailwheel) geared Citabria which can be flown through their flight program. WWW.gateway.tec.wi.us (262)564-3900 Regards, Dave, Milwaukee, Wisconsin >From: Ross Youngblood >To: Doug Peyton >CC: krnet@mailinglists.org >Subject: Re: KR> Tailwheel and Trim Tab Indicator >Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 11:27:50 -0700 > >The regulations are a bit fuzzy. I beleive there is a small loophole that >you can crawl through to fly your experimental without the loophole. I >believe >it is often used for retract experimental fliers. > > However you will need insurance, and your insurance agent will want more >taildragger time than just the endorsement to get your rates to be >reasonable. >If you have a hangar, or plan to get one, many cities require a $1,000,000 >liability >policy just to park your airplane at the airport in the hangar, and a copy >of >the policy may need to be provided. > > Also, if you don't get the endorsement, and ground loop. The NTSB >record will > >state that you didn't have your taildragger endorsement, and will state >that >lack of >time in type was a contributing factor in the incident. > > Big Taildraggers are available. I flew in a Aeronca Champ, which was a >bit >better than the side by side seating in the C-140. The problem is that >many >places charge more $$ for taildragger training as it is considered >"advanced" >training. > > Getting your taildragger rating is FUN. I loved flying the piper CUB and >the Aeronca Champ. Plus, I'm now looking forward to flying the KR. > > -- Ross > >Doug Peyton wrote: > > > I just found out the FAA requires a taildragger certification to fly > > tailwheel aircraft. Does this regulation apply to experimental >aircraft? I > > can't find any tailwheels big enough to hold my fat body. > > > > Also, is an indicator for trim tab position required by FAA regulations >on a > > KR? I was planning to adjust the trim by feel of the stick; hope I >don't > > have to figure out how to put in an indicator.... > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 22:44:21 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: david barner Subject: flutter Message-ID: <390E4105.3423B469@frognet.net> I understand what flutter is, but what can happen from it, and once it starts how do you stop it? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 05:48:15 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR> flutter Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000502054316.00956e40@pop.erols.com> --=====================_1280947==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:44 PM 5/1/00 -0400, david barner wrote: >I understand what flutter is, but what can happen from it, and once it >starts how do you stop it? The moveable control surface, generally ailerons, will vibrate and in turn, induce a vibration in the wing. The most likely wing vibration will be torsional (the wing tip going from high angle of attack to low angle of attack). The wing will vibrate so much that it can fail catastrophically. The only way to stop it is to rapidly reduce the airplane speed. Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com Bumpass, Va KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm USUA Club 250 at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html --=====================_1280947==_.ALT-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 20:26:18 PDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Steven Vitrella" Subject: taildragger endorsement Message-ID: <20000502032618.10299.qmail@hotmail.com> You do not need any endorsement to fly a taildragger and carry passengers in a plane that you built. As was pointed out, the only time this would be a factor is if you had an incident. Remember that a signature is not only to appease the FAA but to prevent any circumstance before it happens! Get the endorsement. Good Luck, Steve Vitrella FL ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 01:41:18 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org (krnet user group) From: ACMan5548@aol.com Subject: Fwd: KR> Lets Vote Message-ID: <39.47ff900.263fc47e@aol.com> --part1_39.47ff900.263fc47e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I vote yes --part1_39.47ff900.263fc47e_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yd01.mx.aol.com (rly-yd01.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.1]) by air-yd03.mail.aol.com (v70.20) with ESMTP; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 23:04:32 -0400 Received: from mailinglists.org (server1.mailinglists.org [63.160.175.18]) by rly-yd01.mx.aol.com (v71.10) with ESMTP; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 23:04:12 -0400 Received: (qmail 27792 invoked by alias); 28 Apr 2000 03:04:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact krnet-help@mailinglists.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Delivered-To: mailing list krnet@mailinglists.org Received: (qmail 27782 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2000 03:04:07 -0000 Message-ID: <39090002.17AA3FB0@execpc.com> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 22:05:38 -0500 From: Mark Jones X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: KR-Net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: KR> Lets Vote I say we take a vote and see who wants to see all the replies or not. Maybe if enough of us would like all the replies, then maybe the net administrators will change it back! I VOTE YES -- Mark Jones (N886MJ) Waukesha, WI USA mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org --part1_39.47ff900.263fc47e_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 09:34:27 -0400 To: "krnet user group" From: "Cary Honeywell" Subject: Re: KR> Lets Vote Message-ID: <001c01bfb43b$237036d0$0205a8c0@server1> Actually, voting is useless unless someone is keeping the tab. Is anyone? If not, lets try it again and I will keep the tab. Say voting starts now (without comments. Just a yes or no, and the voting ends on Friday night at midnight. The question being put to the net is "Should we keep the list as it is now where you must reply to all manually for the list to see your message" A yes indicates agreement. A no indicates that the member requests that the list be returned to its former state where a simple reply, or any general reply defaults to the list and members must manually reply to the author. If I am overstepping my bounds, please, someone slap me down. - Cary - -Cary Honeywell - Ottawa Ontario Canada caryh@home.com ve3ev@rac.ca Home page http://24.112.208.98/ KR2 area http://24.112.208.98/kr2/kr2.shtml ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "krnet user group" Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 1:41 AM Subject: Fwd: KR> Lets Vote > I vote yes > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 10:08:44 -0400 To: "Cary Honeywell" , "krnet user group" From: "Tommy & Carolyn" Subject: Re: KR> Lets Vote Message-ID: <001f01bfb43f$ee8b2920$5b898ed1@user> I vote yes. Thanks, Tommy -----Original Message----- From: Cary Honeywell To: krnet user group Date: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 9:34 AM Subject: Re: KR> Lets Vote >Actually, voting is useless unless someone is keeping the tab. Is anyone? If >not, lets try it again and I will keep the tab. Say voting starts now >(without comments. Just a yes or no, and the voting ends on Friday night at >midnight. > >The question being put to the net is "Should we keep the list as it is now >where you must reply to all manually for the list to see your message" > >A yes indicates agreement. > >A no indicates that the member requests that the list be returned to its >former state where a simple reply, or any general reply defaults to the list >and members must manually reply to the author. > >If I am overstepping my bounds, please, someone slap me down. > >- Cary - > > -Cary Honeywell - >Ottawa Ontario Canada >caryh@home.com >ve3ev@rac.ca >Home page http://24.112.208.98/ >KR2 area http://24.112.208.98/kr2/kr2.shtml >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: "krnet user group" >Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 1:41 AM >Subject: Fwd: KR> Lets Vote > > >> I vote yes >> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >---- > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 08:14:52 -0700 To: Cary Honeywell From: Richard Selix CC: krnet user group Subject: Re: KR> Lets Vote Message-ID: <390EF0EC.CDBA18FA@earthlink.net> YES Richard Cary Honeywell wrote: > Actually, voting is useless unless someone is keeping the tab. Is anyone? If > not, lets try it again and I will keep the tab. Say voting starts now > (without comments. Just a yes or no, and the voting ends on Friday night at > midnight. > > The question being put to the net is "Should we keep the list as it is now > where you must reply to all manually for the list to see your message" > > A yes indicates agreement. > > A no indicates that the member requests that the list be returned to its > former state where a simple reply, or any general reply defaults to the list > and members must manually reply to the author. > > If I am overstepping my bounds, please, someone slap me down. > > - Cary - > > -Cary Honeywell - > Ottawa Ontario Canada > caryh@home.com > ve3ev@rac.ca > Home page http://24.112.208.98/ > KR2 area http://24.112.208.98/kr2/kr2.shtml > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "krnet user group" > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 1:41 AM > Subject: Fwd: KR> Lets Vote > > > I vote yes > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************