From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 26 May 2000 04:38:36 -0000 Issue 33 Date: Thursday, May 25, 2000 8:39 PM krnet Digest 26 May 2000 04:38:36 -0000 Issue 33 Topics (messages 705 through 734): Re: fuel gauge 705 by: Flykr2.aol.com 706 by: flykr2s.execpc.com 708 by: Edwin Blocher 710 by: Richard Parker 713 by: Mike Mims 726 by: The House of D's Sling seat material 707 by: Seifert, Richard E 714 by: Mike Mims 725 by: Kenneth L Wiltrout Re: Composite Sandwich & Kevlar 709 by: Horn2004.aol.com 711 by: Mark Langford Re: Composite Sandwich Results 712 by: Mike Mims LIGHTS 715 by: Schmidt, Curtis vert. members 716 by: mdlougheed.juno.com Oshkosh 2000? 717 by: Leigh 719 by: Steven Eberhart 720 by: flykr2s.execpc.com 721 by: virgnvs.juno.com 722 by: Mike Mims 723 by: Mark Jones 724 by: Ron Eason 733 by: Cary Honeywell Anti-Servo Tab 718 by: Leigh 728 by: RONALD.FREIBERGER Oshkosh 2000 727 by: WMWingz.aol.com Re: Composite Sandwich & Kevlar and KR Glass 729 by: RONALD.FREIBERGER 731 by: Mark Langford Anti-servo tab design 730 by: RONALD.FREIBERGER Carbon Fiber vs Kevlar 732 by: HAshraf.aol.com Re: Composite Sandwich Question ... 734 by: w.g. kirkland Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:18:15 EDT To: rossy@teleport.com, kirkland@vianet.on.ca From: Flykr2@aol.com CC: kr2sflyer@yahoo.com, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> fuel gauge Message-ID: <57.6256543.265e8217@aol.com> what is wrong with using a sight gauge, as suggested in the KR plans? Clay Flykr2@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 08:36:01 -0500 To: Flykr2@aol.com From: flykr2s@execpc.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> fuel gauge Message-Id: <200005251336.IAA02272@mailgw01.execpc.com> Actually the sight guage is the most accurate and the most simple. This is what I am using (panel mount type) as well as many other KR builders and flyers. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Waukesha, WI mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage > what is wrong with using a sight gauge, as suggested in the KR plans? > Clay > Flykr2@aol.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 08:44:11 -0500 To: "Ross Youngblood" , From: "Edwin Blocher" Cc: Subject: Re: KR> fuel gauge Message-ID: <004b01bfc64f$5174fa40$7a93aec7@preinstalledcom> Check out the June 2000 issue of Kitplanes. Jim Wier's "Aero 'Lectrics" article is titled: Check out this new and improved capacitive fuel gauge. I think this is the way I am going in my wing tanks. Sounds like it would be very accurate from F ot E. Ed Ed Blocher Moody, AL mailto: kr-n899eb@mindspring.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Ross Youngblood To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 10:42 AM Subject: Re: KR> fuel gauge > My capacitive sending units required that I glass a metal plate which was > drilled and tapped for the SAE flange pattern for the senders. The > plate was about 3-4" square if I recall, and the sending unit bolts to it. > I believe I roughed up the surface to get a good grip, and glassed it > into place with multiple layers of epoxy/flox. The plate does not leak, > but the cork gasket's are giving me fits I think.... An RV builder > suggested to trash the cork gasket and use some type of sealer > for the gasket that RV builders are using. Anyone heard of that? > > -- Ross > > david barner wrote: > > > does anyone have any idea on how to put a fuel sending unit in a tank > > after it's built? > > I was thinking of cutting a hole in the side to mount it and glass over > > it, but if it ever goes bad I'd have to do it all over again. I'd like > > to try and glass in a piece that the sending unit would bolt to. Anyone > > have any idea's > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 07:56:11 PDT To: kr-n899eb@mindspring.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR> fuel gauge Message-ID: <20000525145611.86504.qmail@hotmail.com> Do the capacitive type gauges require electrical power to operate? Rich Parker >Check out the June 2000 issue of Kitplanes. Jim Wier's "Aero 'Lectrics" >article is titled: Check out this new and improved capacitive fuel gauge. I >think this is the way I am going in my wing tanks. Sounds like it would be >very accurate from F ot E. >Ed ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 08:47:16 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Mike Mims Subject: Re: KR> fuel gauge Message-ID: <20000525154716.27006.qmail@web1406.mail.yahoo.com> > > what is wrong with using a sight gauge, as > suggested in the KR plans? > > Clay > > Flykr2@aol.com They are kinda hard to use on wing tanks. ===== ........| .......-^- ....-/_____\- ...(O\__o__/O) ...[#]oxxxo[#] -----Y2K Bug--- Yes I drive one! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:57:04 -0500 To: "w.g. kirkland" , "Ross Youngblood" , "Mike Mims" From: "The House of D's" Cc: Subject: RE: KR> fuel gauge Message-ID: Had the exact same thing happen on the way to my biannual...The good news was I did not have to demonstrate forced landing on the check ride. -----Original Message----- From: w.g. kirkland [mailto:kirkland@vianet.on.ca] Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 11:13 AM To: Ross Youngblood; Mike Mims Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> fuel gauge My guages read fine when full but still read 1/8th tank when the engine went sput sput. Landed forthwith and put 221/2 gal. in the 22 gal tank of my 150. Now ask where my heart was as we executed a forced landing pattern over the field. Who says they are accurate when they are empty! W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ---------- > From: Ross Youngblood > To: Mike Mims > Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: Re: KR> fuel gauge > Date: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 11:44 AM > > I agree with Mike. Fuel gages always indicate 1/2 a tank more fuel > than you really have. At least on all the rental aircraft, and when you > are on a long cross country. In fact, I think the FAA regs require > that the gauges only be accurate when they read empty, but I might > be missing somthing. > > -- Ross > > Mike Mims wrote: > > > --- david barner wrote: > > > does anyone have any idea on how to put a fuel > > > sending unit in a tank after it's built?>>> > > > > The only reason I installed a fuel sending unit and > > gauge in my wing tank is to satisfy the FAA. If mine > > ever fails then that’s just the way it is. In my > > opinion ALL fuel sending tyep gauges are broken. If > > you cant visually see the fuel and you forgot to > > visually check the fuel level before takeoff then your > > asking for it. Never trust a fuel gauge. Build > > yourself a dipstick that is marked every 5 gallons. > > Check your fuel before EVERY take off. Fuel related > > issues have downed more KRs and killed more KR pilots > > than all other issues combined. Think about that. > > > > ===== > > ........| > > .......-^- > > ....-/_____\- > > ...(O\__o__/O) > > ...[#]oxxxo[#] > > -----Y2K Bug--- > > Yes I drive one! > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 06:36:51 -0700 To: "'krnet@mailinglists.org'" From: "Seifert, Richard E" Subject: Sling seat material Message-Id: Mike Mims wrote "I have been through two sling seats on my KR and haven't even flown it yet. After the second one started to fall apart I decided to build an aluminum sling. Save your money guys and build your own seats." I don't understand this Mike. What kind of material is your sling seat made of? Mine was purchased over 14 years ago from R/R and is made of a rubberized fiberglass material, has seen much wear and still looks like new. I believe Jeanette said the material was used in the marine industry. Has R/R changed the material? I hope not, because it's hard to beat the comfort, simplicity and light weight of the R/R seat. Rich Seifert KR2 (N56SR) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 08:51:55 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Mike Mims Subject: Re: KR> Sling seat material Message-ID: <20000525155155.27829.qmail@web1406.mail.yahoo.com> wrote: > > I don't understand this Mike. What kind of material > is your sling seat made of? Mine was purchased over 14 years ago from R/R and is made of a rubberized fiberglass material.>>> Yes I think she changed vendors for the product as well as the manufacturer of the seat about 5 years ago. It used to be made of the same material as the certified sling seats (Taylorcraft) now its a cheaper, light weight rubberized, reinforced fabric. Its not good. ===== ........| .......-^- ....-/_____\- ...(O\__o__/O) ...[#]oxxxo[#] -----Y2K Bug--- Yes I drive one! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:00:52 -0400 To: kr2sflyer@yahoo.com From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Sling seat material Message-ID: <20000525.200053.-298557.1.klw1953@juno.com> Hey guys, About 3 or 4 yrs. ago I bought the RR sling seat. The construction is very poor, almost like making a seat out of one of those blue tarps. No way this boy was gonna put 230 lbs on one foot and survive. I had my seat bottoms rolled out of aluminum plate. They are definately heavier but I won't fall through the bottom of my bird!!!!!!!! Kenny ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 10:31:50 EDT To: ron@jrl-engineering.com, g_landry73@hotmail.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: Horn2004@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Composite Sandwich & Kevlar Message-ID: <75.49c9ab9.265e9356@aol.com> Maybe somebody could enlighten me here... Why are people opting for Kevlar as opposed to Carbon Fiber? Is Kevlar lighter and stronger than carbon fiber, or are people feeling compelled to protect themselves from gunfire? Is price an issue? Whazzzup? Steve Horn horn2004@aol.com Dallas, TX ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 10:39:44 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Composite Sandwich & Kevlar Message-ID: <001901bfc65f$7405c070$58e6a58c@tbe.com> > Why are people opting for Kevlar as opposed to Carbon Fiber? Is Kevlar > lighter and stronger than carbon fiber, or are people feeling compelled to > protect themselves from gunfire? Is price an issue? Whazzzup? The only reason Albert's using Kevlar is cause he got a boatload for dirt cheap. There's no other reason to use it on something as non-structural as the deck, and even if it was structural, carbon fiber would be a better choice than Kevlar in most situations, if you don't mind paying 6x as much as KR glass... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 08:42:58 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Mike Mims Subject: Re: KR> Composite Sandwich Results Message-ID: <20000525154258.26116.qmail@web1406.mail.yahoo.com> --- APECORAR@steelcase.com wrote: > Netters, > > Last night I completed laying up the bottom side of > the forward deck. I was going to use 1 layer kevlar and 1 layer E-glass ... but something compelled me > to use 2 layers of kevlar instead>>> What is the reason for using kevlar in this area? Im just curious. I wetout (yeah right) some kevlar and did a layup on my goalie stick and it works great for impact resistance (100+ mph slap shots) but it had to be the most difficult cloth I have ever worked with. And if one does not need the impact resistance its a waste in my opinion. If you needed stiffness, carbon fiber would have been a better choice. ===== ........| .......-^- ....-/_____\- ...(O\__o__/O) ...[#]oxxxo[#] -----Y2K Bug--- Yes I drive one! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: 25 May 2000 10:56:00 -0700 To: "krnet@mailinglists.org" From: "Schmidt, Curtis" Subject: LIGHTS Message-ID: <0004E6D7@kaydon.com> HEY GUY'S, I'M NEW TO THE HOMEBUILT GAME, AND HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS, SO P= LEASE BARE WITH ME! FIRST OF ALL WHAT INSTRUMENTS & LIGHTS ARE REQUIRED FOR DAY TIME VFR? DO I NEED ONE OF THOSE HIGH DOLLAR STROBES FOR THE REAR END? WHAT'S THE STORY ON THE OLD RETRACTABLE GEAR FOR THE KR2? MY AIRPLANE HAS THEM ALREADY INSTALLED AND HAS THE HAPI CONVERSION (I BOUGH= T IT THIS WAY) THANKS IN ADVANCE CURT ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:52:00 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: mdlougheed@juno.com Subject: vert. members Message-ID: <20000525.095202.-266093.0.mdlougheed@juno.com> Neal, Another source for Aircraft Grade Douglas Fir is R.A.W Resoruces out of B.C. (FOB Shipping from Seattle, WA). Thier web link is below. They have pricing info too for your comparitive shopping pleasure. http://sites.netscape.net/rawresources You can also download MIL SPEC 6073, which outlines the selection guidelines for spruce (doug fir) suitable for aircraft construction. Mark D. Lougheed mdlougheed@juno.com > From: "Neal Hinson" > Subject: vert. members > > I am going to build my boat out of doug fir/ maybe hemlock. what do ya > think? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 21:07:49 +0200 To: , From: "Leigh" Subject: Oshkosh 2000? Message-ID: <002501bfc67c$85c9c320$c190ef9b@intekom.co.za> Is anybody keeping a list of which KR listers are going to Oshkosh this year? I thouht it may be a good idea to have a central list of names so that we could perhaps arrange to meet on one of the days. Just an Idea.... Regards Leigh Cape Town ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:30:42 -0500 (CDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Steven Eberhart Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh 2000? Message-ID: On Thu, 25 May 2000, Leigh wrote: > Is anybody keeping a list of which KR listers are going to Oshkosh this > year? > > I thouht it may be a good idea to have a central list of names so that we > could perhaps arrange to meet on one of the days. Ashok is presenting a Forum on the new AS504x series of airfoils that he designed for the KR. Mark Langford, Troy Petteway and I will be tagging along to answer questions. Troy is also planning on having his KR-2 there. Hope to see a lot of the KRNet members there. Steve Eberhart mailto:newtech@newtech.com THE WING FLIES! - http://www.newtech.com/nlf for info on the new, flight tested, KRnet/UIUC airfoils. Good job KRnet, you can be proud of your contribution to Sport Aviation. Special thanks to Dr. Ashok Gopalarathnam and Dr. Michael Selig for some great Sport Aviation airfoils. One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly food for thought requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:02:17 -0500 To: Steven Eberhart From: flykr2s@execpc.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh 2000? Message-Id: <200005252102.QAA20820@mailgw01.execpc.com> I will be there. When is this forum scheduled? Mark Jones (N886MJ) Waukesha, WI mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com > On Thu, 25 May 2000, Leigh wrote: > > > Is anybody keeping a list of which KR listers are going to Oshkosh this > > year? > > > > I thouht it may be a good idea to have a central list of names so that we > > could perhaps arrange to meet on one of the days. > > Ashok is presenting a Forum on the new AS504x series of airfoils that he > designed for the KR. Mark Langford, Troy Petteway and I will be tagging > along to answer questions. Troy is also planning on having his KR-2 > there. > > Hope to see a lot of the KRNet members there. > > > Steve Eberhart > mailto:newtech@newtech.com > > THE WING FLIES! - http://www.newtech.com/nlf for info on the new, flight > tested, KRnet/UIUC airfoils. Good job KRnet, you can be proud of your > contribution to Sport Aviation. Special thanks to Dr. Ashok Gopalarathnam > and Dr. Michael Selig for some great Sport Aviation airfoils. > > One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are > easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author > > All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly > food for thought requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:18:25 -0700 To: blo@intekom.co.za From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet-digest-help@mailinglists.org, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh 2000? Message-ID: <20000525.172554.-360883.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Meet at the KR Dinner. Virg On Thu, 25 May 2000 21:07:49 +0200 "Leigh" writes: > Is anybody keeping a list of which KR listers are going to Oshkosh > this > year? > > I thouht it may be a good idea to have a central list of names so > that we > could perhaps arrange to meet on one of the days. > > Just an Idea.... > > Regards > Leigh > Cape Town > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 15:14:07 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Mike Mims Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh 2000? Message-ID: <20000525221407.6210.qmail@web1406.mail.yahoo.com> --- Steven Eberhart wrote: >>>Troy Petteway and I will be tagging along to answer questions. Troy is also planning on having his KR-2 there.>>>> > Sure would be nice if some KRs actually started showing up at Oshkosh. I got the impression from flyers in the past that KRs were not really welcome there. ===== ........| .......-^- ....-/_____\- ...(O\__o__/O) ...[#]oxxxo[#] -----Y2K Bug--- Yes I drive one! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 18:03:59 -0500 To: virgnvs@juno.com From: Mark Jones CC: blo@intekom.co.za, krnet-digest-help@mailinglists.org, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh 2000? Message-ID: <392DB15F.9FE0ECF9@execpc.com> What Dinner???? There was no dinner last year cause Rand did not show up or have a booth! Are there KR events actually scheduled this year? PLEASE if you know of any and the dates and times please post them so everyone will know. There were only three KR's there last year that I saw. Mark Jones virgnvs@juno.com wrote: > Meet at the KR Dinner. Virg > > On Thu, 25 May 2000 21:07:49 +0200 "Leigh" writes: > > Is anybody keeping a list of which KR listers are going to Oshkosh > > this > > year? > > > > I thouht it may be a good idea to have a central list of names so > > that we > > could perhaps arrange to meet on one of the days. > > > > Just an Idea.... > > > > Regards > > Leigh > > Cape Town > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org -- Mark Jones (N886MJ) Waukesha, WI USA (soon to be Wales, WI) mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 18:13:09 -0500 To: "Mike Mims" , From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh 2000? Message-ID: <003901bfc69e$cc1dca20$977239ce@dana-coe> I think thats a wrong impression, I've been their the last few years, KR were up front with other home builts. I remember the rumors, think some egos crushed by there own impressions. KRron -----Original Message----- From: Mike Mims To: krnet@mailinglists.org Date: Thursday, May 25, 2000 5:14 PM Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh 2000? > >--- Steven Eberhart wrote: >>>>Troy Petteway and I will be tagging along to answer >questions. Troy is also planning on having his KR-2 > there.>>>> >> > >Sure would be nice if some KRs actually started >showing up at Oshkosh. I got the impression from >flyers in the past that KRs were not really welcome there. > >===== >........| >.......-^- >....-/_____\- >...(O\__o__/O) >...[#]oxxxo[#] >-----Y2K Bug--- >Yes I drive one! > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. >http://invites.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 00:06:49 -0400 To: "Leigh" , , From: "Cary Honeywell" Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh 2000? Message-ID: <001f01bfc6c7$d1440270$0205a8c0@server1> I may be flying down in the 172. Not a firm plan yet though. - Cary - -Cary Honeywell - Ottawa Ontario Canada caryh@home.com ve3ev@rac.ca Home page http://24.112.208.98/ KR2 area http://24.112.208.98/kr2/kr2.shtml ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leigh" To: ; Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 3:07 PM Subject: KR> Oshkosh 2000? > Is anybody keeping a list of which KR listers are going to Oshkosh this > year? > > I thouht it may be a good idea to have a central list of names so that we > could perhaps arrange to meet on one of the days. > > Just an Idea.... > > Regards > Leigh > Cape Town > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 21:17:29 +0200 To: , From: "Leigh" Subject: Anti-Servo Tab Message-ID: <002601bfc67d$df929340$c190ef9b@intekom.co.za> Hi All I seem to remember someone mentioning the idea of putting an anti-servo tab on the elevator to improve elevator feedback on the joy-stick. Has anybody done this and if so what mechanism did you use? Also, did it help with pitch sensitivity? I have some hangar rash to repair on one elevator and thought it may be a good oportunity to put in an anti-servo tab. My idea was to use 2 stranded metal cables (very light and thin) in a "cross-over", pull-pull arrangement and using radio-control model horns, to achieve this. Any criticism against this idea would be welcome. Regards Leigh ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 21:34:08 -0500 To: "Leigh" , , From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" Subject: RE: KR> Anti-Servo Tab Message-ID: I've built antiservo into my tab by routing the trim cable over the spar and through the elevator to atab mounted on the bottom of the eleavator - tab assembly. The cable sheath is cut at the spar area, and anchored to both the elevator and the stabilser. Movement of the elevator pushes the inner cable in/out of the sheath, adding anti servo motion to the trim motion. Make sure the combined action does not exceed a total travel of about 25 degrees. I put a tab on both sides of the elevator, and the cable to one side is not split, giving just normal trim action on one tab, while the other is about 50 % anti-servo. A mixer bar inside the fuselage allows both to be combined. Ron Freiberger...In Sunny Kokomo mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com -----Original Message----- From: Leigh [mailto:blo@intekom.co.za] Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 2:17 PM To: krnet-digest-help@mailinglists.org; krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> Anti-Servo Tab Hi All I seem to remember someone mentioning the idea of putting an anti-servo tab on the elevator to improve elevator feedback on the joy-stick. Has anybody done this and if so what mechanism did you use? Also, did it help with pitch sensitivity? I have some hangar rash to repair on one elevator and thought it may be a good oportunity to put in an anti-servo tab. My idea was to use 2 stranded metal cables (very light and thin) in a "cross-over", pull-pull arrangement and using radio-control model horns, to achieve this. Any criticism against this idea would be welcome. Regards Leigh --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 22:17:25 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: WMWingz@aol.com Subject: Oshkosh 2000 Message-ID: <17.6103d7c.265f38b5@aol.com> Does anyone know when the AS airfoil forum is being held @ Oshkosh? I would like to meet other KR builders as well. Thanks Bill. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 21:36:08 -0500 To: "Mark Langford" , From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" Subject: RE: KR> Composite Sandwich & Kevlar and KR Glass Message-ID: Look hard as might, I can't see any difference between KR glass and similar products of the same weight at any "boat" store. Am I missing something? Ron Freiberger...In Sunny Kokomo mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com -----Original Message----- From: Mark Langford [mailto:langford@hiwaay.net] Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 10:40 AM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Composite Sandwich & Kevlar > Why are people opting for Kevlar as opposed to Carbon Fiber? Is Kevlar > lighter and stronger than carbon fiber, or are people feeling compelled to > protect themselves from gunfire? Is price an issue? Whazzzup? The only reason Albert's using Kevlar is cause he got a boatload for dirt cheap. There's no other reason to use it on something as non-structural as the deck, and even if it was structural, carbon fiber would be a better choice than Kevlar in most situations, if you don't mind paying 6x as much as KR glass... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 22:00:56 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Composite Sandwich & Kevlar and KR Glass Message-ID: <002001bfc6be$9d7464c0$58e6a58c@tbe.com> > Look hard as might, I can't see any difference between KR glass and similar > products of the same weight at any "boat" store. Am I missing something? Sorry. I guess I should have been more specific. What I should have said was "the kind of glass we usually use in KR construction". I'll try to do better in the future. I use whatever I can find that's BID or "plain" that's close to 5.85oz/yd... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 21:43:59 -0500 To: "KRNET" From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" Subject: Anti-servo tab design Message-ID: I've built antiservo into my tab by routing the trim cable over the spar and through the elevator to a tab mounted on the bottom of the elevator - tab assembly. The cable sheath is cut at the spar area, and anchored to both the elevator and the stabilser. Movement of the elevator pushes the inner cable in/out of the sheath, adding anti servo motion to the trim motion. Make sure the combined action does not exceed a total travel of about 25 degrees. I put a tab on both sides of the elevator, and the cable to one side is not split, giving just normal trim action on one tab, while the other is about 50 % anti-servo. A mixer bar inside the fuselage allows both to be combined. Ron Freiberger...In Sunny Kokomo mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:09:33 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: HAshraf@aol.com Subject: Carbon Fiber vs Kevlar Message-ID: <68.3e71915.265f44ed@aol.com> People using carbon fiber inside the cockpit should realize that its splinters are very dangerous in a crash. My elevator is carbon fiber and it trailing edges are like a knife. Haris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 00:37:26 -0400 To: "Gaston Landry" , From: "w.g. kirkland" Subject: Re: KR> Composite Sandwich Question ... Message-Id: <200005260436.AAA27933@dreams.vianet.on.ca> ------=_NextPart_000_01BFC6AA.90F3CCE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't all glass's deteriorate under UV? Isn't that why u use a UV screen when finishing? W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ---------- > From: Gaston Landry > To: krnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: Re: KR> Composite Sandwich Question ... > Date: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 4:27 PM > > > I've heard somewhere that Kevlar deteriorates under UV... not sure if that's > true of ALL types of Kevlar, but I'm thinking if I wanted to use Kevlar on > one side of the sandwich, I'd pick the inside... (unless the heat from the > engine on the cowling could be an issue...) > > >From: Ross Youngblood > > >... Or, you can use Kevlar on one side of the > >sandwich and glass (1 layer only) on the other... > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------=_NextPart_000_01BFC6AA.90F3CCE0-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************