From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 30 May 2000 12:43:56 -0000 Issue 36 Date: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 4:44 AM krnet Digest 30 May 2000 12:43:56 -0000 Issue 36 Topics (messages 788 through 817): AN Fittings 788 by: RFG842.aol.com 806 by: Tim Bellville 817 by: RFG842.aol.com Re: KR2S Side Panel Construction 789 by: Greg S Martin photos and web page creation 790 by: Mark Langford Re: fuel gauge 791 by: Kr2dream.aol.com 800 by: AviationMech.aol.com Off topic crash 792 by: Kr2dream.aol.com Re: Spar repair 793 by: ROBERT COOPER 794 by: Mark Jones 795 by: Wolf Packs, Inc 798 by: AviationMech.aol.com 805 by: B&B Muse 814 by: macwood engine 796 by: david barner 808 by: Tracy & Carol O'Brien KR Icing encounters 797 by: taylor 804 by: Frank Ross 812 by: Joe Beyer 816 by: Donald Reid Re: resins 799 by: AviationMech.aol.com 807 by: Kr2dream.aol.com Re: V speeds. 801 by: Tom Crawford Re: Oshkosh 2000? 802 by: B&B Muse 803 by: The House of D's POSA CARB 809 by: DONAN5.aol.com 811 by: Joe Beyer Gross weight? 810 by: Gene Hudson Top Mounted SU Carb 813 by: Tracy & Carol O'Brien Spar repair continued 815 by: Livingstone, Danny (DJ) Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 09:28:30 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: RFG842@aol.com Subject: AN Fittings Message-ID: <6a.33ebbc2.2663ca7e@aol.com> For builders looking for AN fittings, gas & oil lines and gauges, try Summit Racing Equipment. They carry more AN fittings than Wicks and Aircraft Spruce put together and MOST are cheaper. Digital gauges look great at a reasonable cost. For a free catalog call 1-800-230-3030 Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 23:43:42 -0400 To: , From: "Tim Bellville" Subject: Re: KR> AN Fittings Message-ID: <004f01bfc9e9$41302360$8f276520@default> do they have a web site? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 9:28 AM Subject: KR> AN Fittings > For builders looking for AN fittings, gas & oil lines and gauges, try Summit > Racing Equipment. They carry more AN fittings than Wicks and Aircraft Spruce > put together and MOST are cheaper. Digital gauges look great at a reasonable > cost. > > For a free catalog call 1-800-230-3030 > > Bob > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 08:43:22 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: RFG842@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> AN Fittings Message-ID: Summit Racing Equipment www.SummittRacing.com Sorry; Should have thought of the web address. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 08:33:07 -0700 To: ACMan5548@aol.com From: Greg S Martin Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> KR2S Side Panel Construction Message-ID: <20000529.083307.-258735.0.idrawtobuild@juno.com> Tony The sides can be built flat and the plywood glued in place. The bend will not give you any problems. Yes, there will be more pressure when you bend the sides into place back at the tail. But, if it pops apart. You wouldn't want it anyway. The only suggestion it have is make the top and bottom cross members equal. That will allow the top longeron that the horizontal stabilizer sets on to be in a plane. With that, you can set your incidents much easier. I have a 1 and a 2s and I didn't do that. I followed the plans. Oh well. But don't worry about bending the sides with the plywood on, it wouldn't bite. Happy building and/or flying Greg Martin, idrawtobuild@juno.com 1783 Glenwood Court Bakersfield, California 93306 work 661-861-0570, fax 861-0517 home 661-872-8781, fax 871-1822 ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 10:33:41 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: photos and web page creation Message-ID: <004501bfc983$44a00620$a5f780ce@300emachine> KRNetHeads, Folks are always asking me what kind of camera I use to take the pictures on my web site, and for advice on creating a web page. So I've put it all into words and links that should tell you just about everything I know about it. It's at the top of http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/misc.html . You newbies might find some other interesting KR stuff down below that, if you've got a few hours to kill today... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 12:53:06 EDT To: AviationMech@aol.com, Sonerai1@worldshare.net, GARYKR2@cs.com, kirkland@vianet.on.ca, rossy@teleport.com, kr2sflyer@yahoo.com From: Kr2dream@aol.com CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> fuel gauge Message-ID: Orma: Not necessarily true. Some gauges have internal compensation for voltage variation over a very wide range. The same holds true for capacitive senders which can replace the resistive float element. Bob Lasecki Chicago ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 18:36:16 EDT To: Kr2dream@aol.com, Sonerai1@worldshare.net, GARYKR2@cs.com, kirkland@vianet.on.ca, rossy@teleport.com, kr2sflyer@yahoo.com From: AviationMech@aol.com CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> fuel gauge Message-ID: In a message dated 5/29/00 12:55:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Kr2dream@aol.com writes: << Some gauges have internal compensation >> I guess then it would be best to know more about the type of equipment being installed, before finding out at some altitude other then ground level. Orma aviationmech@aol.com http://members.aol.com/aviationmech ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 12:57:42 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Kr2dream@aol.com Subject: Off topic crash Message-ID: <98.5941889.2663fb86@aol.com> For any of you who are air show enthusiasts and haven't heard, the French Connection had a mishap during practice on saturday when their two CAP-10's collided at the top of a hammerhead and both aircraft spiraled to the ground. Both pilots were killed. The story can be found at http://www.news-journalonline.com/cgi-bin/printtext.pl Bob Lasecki Chicago ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 15:09:32 -0400 To: From: "ROBERT COOPER" Subject: Re: KR>Spar repair Message-ID: <009001bfc9a1$6d1e8ea0$de5e163f@pavilion> A question for those of you who have converted from retract gear to fixed. What did you do about the holes in the spar where the retracts were removed? Would it be OK to epoxy (T-88) some dowels into the old holes? Should I use smooth or fluted dowels? Any other suggestions for repairs? Jack Cooper kr2cooper@msn.com http://www.geocities.com/kr2cooper/ Fayetteville, NC. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 14:30:21 -0500 To: ROBERT COOPER , krnet@mailinglists.org From: Mark Jones Subject: Re: KR>Spar repair Message-ID: <3932C54D.4AD910DF@execpc.com> Jack, I have used solid smooth dowels and T-88 to repair several holes and this will be the best solution. Keep in mind to keep the grain of the dowels parallel with the stress of the repaired member and not vertical. The T-88 will give you a much stronger joint than the wood itself and by keeping the dowel grain parallel with the stress, this should eliminate any splitting of the dowel under stress which probably would not happen anyway but why chance it. Mark Jones ROBERT COOPER wrote: > A question for those of you who have converted from retract gear to fixed. > What did you do about the holes in the spar where the retracts were removed? > Would it be OK to epoxy (T-88) some dowels into the old holes? Should I use > smooth or fluted dowels? Any other suggestions for repairs? > Jack Cooper > kr2cooper@msn.com > http://www.geocities.com/kr2cooper/ > Fayetteville, NC. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org -- Mark Jones (N886MJ) Waukesha, WI USA (soon to be Wales, WI) mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 12:21:54 -0700 To: , From: "Wolf Packs, Inc" Subject: Re: KR>Spar repair Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000529121311.00adfc50@pop.mindspring.com> Jack, I'll tell you what Bobby Muse and others told me when I posted that question 3 years ago: If you want to fill them fine, if you don't fill them the spar will still be more than strong enough to take the loads we put on them. I chose not to fill them. I ran my static air supply tube through one of the holes and my hydraulic brake lines through two others. If you do this just don't bend the nylon tubing near the spar, it'll rub on the edge of the old gear hole. >A question for those of you who have converted from retract gear to fixed. >What did you do about the holes in the spar where the retracts were removed? >Would it be OK to epoxy (T-88) some dowels into the old holes? Should I use >smooth or fluted dowels? Any other suggestions for repairs? Paul Martin Ashland,OR www.wolfpacks.com/KR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 18:36:15 EDT To: KR2COOPER@email.msn.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: AviationMech@aol.com Subject: Re: KR>Spar repair Message-ID: <6b.4e03a9d.26644adf@aol.com> In a message dated 5/29/00 3:10:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KR2COOPER@email.msn.com writes: << What did you do about the holes in the spar where the retracts were removed? >> I installed the Rand fixed gear conversion on N110LR. The Rand instructions said to epoxy spruce into the holes. They also added a ply wood doubler to the spar. Instead of closing my holes, I installed the new fixed gear using the same holes that the retract was mounted to. Hope this helps. Orma aviationmech@aol.com http://members.aol.com/aviationmech ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 21:42:39 -0500 To: ROBERT COOPER From: B&B Muse CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR>Spar repair Message-ID: <39332A9E.B345CD55@ev1.net> --------------9452A316EDF44C33AB64DC8C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ROBERT COOPER wrote: > A question for those of you who have converted from retract gear to fixed. > What did you do about the holes in the spar where the retracts were removed? > Would it be OK to epoxy (T-88) some dowels into the old holes? Should I use > smooth or fluted dowels? Any other suggestions for repairs? > Jack Cooper > kr2cooper@msn.com > http://www.geocities.com/kr2cooper/ > Fayetteville, NC. I put smooth dowels in the old holes. --------------9452A316EDF44C33AB64DC8C-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 09:55:04 +0100 To: , "ROBERT COOPER" From: "macwood" Cc: Subject: Re: KR>Spar repair Message-ID: <001901bfca15$2b7b7b60$1dd4b0c2@tinypc> The inspection gurus over this side o' the pond say that redundant holes in the spar should have close fitting bolts installed , as dowels won't take compressive loads. Sounds like belts and braces to me (suspenders to you!),but thats what they say. Cheers Mac Wood Hampshire UK (Robert ,please reply if you receive, as ISP report incoming mail "bouncing") ----- Original Message ----- From: B&B Muse To: ROBERT COOPER Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 3:42 AM Subject: Re: KR>Spar repair > ROBERT COOPER wrote: > > > A question for those of you who have converted from retract gear to fixed. > > What did you do about the holes in the spar where the retracts were removed? > > Would it be OK to epoxy (T-88) some dowels into the old holes? Should I use > > smooth or fluted dowels? Any other suggestions for repairs? > > Jack Cooper > > kr2cooper@msn.com > > http://www.geocities.com/kr2cooper/ > > Fayetteville, NC. > > I put smooth dowels in the old holes. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 17:41:55 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: david barner Subject: engine Message-ID: <3932E423.6F682FEB@frognet.net> if you had your choice between these engines what one would you choose? 1800cc m.p.f.i. overhead cam subaru from a '90 wagon the turbo subaru engine 1835cc VW 140 corvair I've been leaning toward the turbo, I want to put an in flight adjustable prop on it in the future. appreciate any comments ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 21:13:22 -0700 To: skypilot@frognet.net,krnet@mailinglists.org From: Tracy & Carol O'Brien Subject: Re: KR> engine Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000529211322.006ea0e0@localaccess.com> >if you had your choice between these engines what one would you choose? >1800cc m.p.f.i. overhead cam subaru from a '90 wagon >the turbo subaru engine >1835cc VW >140 corvair The 140 corvair would be my choice. It is more powerful and more durable than the 1835 and more reliable than turbo or fuel injected anything. Tracy O'Brien ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 13:55:01 -0800 To: From: "taylor" Subject: KR Icing encounters Message-ID: <001e01bfc9b8$ace4bb60$0de046c6@default> ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BFC975.7BD3D4E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone have any info or stories on icing encounters with the KR,s .Im = thinking of using one as a commuter in Alaska. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BFC975.7BD3D4E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 19:37:56 -0700 (PDT) To: taylor , krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> KR Icing encounters Message-ID: <20000530023756.19283.qmail@web4704.mail.yahoo.com> Cant remember where I just read a great story of one of the first KR1s built in one year by a guy in Alaska and flown to Oshkosh. Seems like it may have been in one of the early KR web sites. Worth looking for. --- taylor wrote: > Anyone have any info or stories on icing encounters > with the KR,s .Im thinking of using one as a > commuter in Alaska. > ===== Frank Ross, Major, USAF(Ret.) San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 10:25:03 -0700 To: "taylor" , From: "Joe Beyer" Subject: Re: KR> KR Icing encounters Message-ID: <009501bfc992$d55fd960$4f41b23f@earthlink.net> I've just flown in light rain. It kind of fun but not too good for the prop. mailto:joejbeyer@earthlink.net Portland, Ore. ----- Original Message ----- From: taylor To: Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 2:55 PM Subject: KR> KR Icing encounters Anyone have any info or stories on icing encounters with the KR,s .Im thinking of using one as a commuter in Alaska. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 08:23:14 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR> KR Icing encounters Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000530082113.00959b00@pop.erols.com> --=====================_750255==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:37 PM 5/29/00 -0700, Frank Ross wrote: >Cant remember where I just read a great story of one >of the first KR1s built in one year by a guy in Alaska >and flown to Oshkosh. Seems like it may have been in >one of the early KR web sites. Worth looking for. Go to http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_SA.htm and look for the name Fred Keller Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com Bumpass, Va KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm USUA Club 250 at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html --=====================_750255==_.ALT-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 18:36:14 EDT To: shanspur@webtv.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: AviationMech@aol.com Subject: Re: resins Message-ID: In a message dated 5/29/00 11:50:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, shanspur@webtv.net writes: << I've heard bad things about sloshing compounds in contact with auto fuel. >> Shannon in order to give you a good answer to your question, it would take a lot of research. I like others built my first tank from foam and epoxy resin, I used auto fuels and with out knowing used a gas line antifreeze in the first winter. In the spring, my tank was soft and spoungy and leaked. I then purchased the Polyester Rand tank which comes in two parts. I glued the tank with polyester resin and have not had any further problems. Auto fuel is another issue. I used to truck my fuel from the local gas station. Then one day after lift off, my climb power was weak. After loosing an entire weekend of flying, I discovered that the gas was weak and the plane was fine. I dont use auto fuel any more. Sloshing compounds work good with aviation fuel and are approved. Before you use sloshing compound, before you use any petrolum product in your tank, make every effort to seal the leaks using resin. Pin holes in fiberglass can be microscopic. I always leak check with water. after it drys, you can still apply resin to the glass and it will stick. The same is not true after fuel has been introduced into the tank. Orma aviationmech@aol.com http://members.aol.com/aviationmech ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 23:50:49 EDT To: AviationMech@aol.com, shanspur@webtv.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: Kr2dream@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Re: resins Message-ID: You might want toleak check with fuel under controlled conditions. I leak checkedmy tank with water and with air (both pressure and vacuum) and it held but leaked when I used fuel. Fuel can seep through smaller pinholes. Best to find out as early as possible. Bob Lasecki Chicago ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 18:45:09 -0400 To: KR2616TJ@aol.com From: Tom Crawford CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> V speeds. Message-ID: <3932F2F5.23D2@atlantic.net> KR2616TJ@aol.com wrote: > > > > 1. Your stall speed. > 2. Your airplane empty weight. > 3. Whether your airplane in retract or fixed, if fixed nose gear or > taildragger. > 4. Change in stall speed at gross and single pilot. > 5. Be sure this is a power off stall, nothing with power. > 6. FPM descent, power off, at a couple of speeds. > > 1) 38 mph indicated 2) 650 lbs. 3) Fixed Tri-gear 4) No change 6) I'll have to get back to you -- Tom Crawford Gainesville, FL N262TC Mailto:toys@atlantic.net http://www.tomshardwoodtoys.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 21:22:57 -0500 To: Mike Mims From: B&B Muse CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh 2000? Message-ID: <39332600.ADD44D4@ev1.net> --------------9258C7DD4E0AD3265E7F5960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike Mims wrote: > --- Steven Eberhart wrote: > >>>Troy Petteway and I will be tagging along to answer > questions. Troy is also planning on having his KR-2 > there.>>>> > > > > Sure would be nice if some KRs actually started > showing up at Oshkosh. I got the impression from > flyers in the past that KRs were not really welcome there. > > It's not that we're not welcome there, it's that we don't get no respect there. --------------9258C7DD4E0AD3265E7F5960-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 21:43:46 -0500 To: , "Mike Mims" From: "The House of D's" Cc: Subject: RE: KR> Oshkosh 2000? Message-ID: If you are not flying WWII "heavy iron", my impression it my money and proxy is all they want there. -----Original Message----- From: B&B Muse [mailto:bmuse@ev1.net] Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 9:23 PM To: Mike Mims Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh 2000? Mike Mims wrote: > --- Steven Eberhart wrote: > >>>Troy Petteway and I will be tagging along to answer > questions. Troy is also planning on having his KR-2 > there.>>>> > > > > Sure would be nice if some KRs actually started > showing up at Oshkosh. I got the impression from > flyers in the past that KRs were not really welcome there. > > It's not that we're not welcome there, it's that we don't get no respect there. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 00:42:46 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: DONAN5@aol.com Subject: POSA CARB Message-ID: <28.643cbea.2664a0c6@aol.com> What is the smallest MM posa carb you can run on a VW 2180 engine??? anybody know the answer to this riddle Simply speaking M Meters thanks Don ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 10:22:09 -0700 To: , From: "Joe Beyer" Subject: Re: KR> POSA CARB Message-ID: <008801bfc992$703e4300$4f41b23f@earthlink.net> I'd say 32mm. I think a 34mm might be better. mailto:joejbeyer@earthlink.net Portland, Ore. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 9:42 PM Subject: KR> POSA CARB > What is the smallest MM posa carb you can run on a VW 2180 engine??? > > anybody know the answer to this riddle Simply speaking M Meters > > thanks > > Don > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 01:05:56 -0400 To: From: "Gene Hudson" Subject: Gross weight? Message-ID: <002b01bfc9f4$bd8868e0$462a56d1@genehuds> ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01BFC9D3.35E8E0C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I have just purchased a set of plans for a Sonerai II LTS, but I am = having second thoughts due to the lack of support groups such as KRNET.=20 Of the 2 other planes I considered, I dismissed the Dragonfly, as the = wings are not removable. That leaves the KR2S. I am going to use a Corvair engine, but I am concerned with the gross = weight capability of the KR2S. I and my girlfriend will be flying = together most of the time and between us, we go about 400lbs.=20 How is this going to work in the real life everyday flying? What kind of = performance do people seem to get with this engine (100HP T/O and about = 80HP 75%) and weight loading. What seems to be the real life Gross? Thanks, Gene ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01BFC9D3.35E8E0C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 22:24:59 -0700 To: virgnvs@juno.com,cschmidt@kaydon.com From: Tracy & Carol O'Brien Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Top Mounted SU Carb Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000529222459.006e65dc@localaccess.com> Use below address for a color picture of an SU Carb mounted on a 1641cc VW: http://www.localaccess.com/tracy/sucolor.jpg Tracy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 11:07:33 +0200 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Livingstone, Danny (DJ)" Subject: Spar repair continued Message-ID: <042104686D63D311B51A0000C110B8E4449AB1@SASLTD06> After cutting the foam of my wing I noticed a low area on an area of my top surface of the main outer spar cap approx. 24 cm long by 0.5mm(0.019") to 1.5mm (0.059") (Probably sleeping on my belt sander!). Will filling this low area with flox be an adaquate repair? Danny Livingstone E-Mail: livd0124@natref.com ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************